Next manager

[Rowls]

I’d agree with Nottsclaret’s last comment about our football last season. Apalling dreadful naive inneffective football that was rinsed and repeated every match. Put me off going to watch some matches. Looking forward to something different.

There's plenty of us who felt the same.

I came to look forward to the bleeding international weeks.

[fatboy47]

All about opinions, and good to hear different views on it, genuinely.

Personally, I thought we were sh**e.

Yep...a version of the relegated Norwich side 3 or 4 years back. A baffling season, but ""sh**e"" is the word that sums it up.

[123EasyasBFC]

Emery finishing 4th is arguably a better achievement than Pep winning the league at City but I know who id rather be. The best managers get the best jobs, don’t worry if you believe in Dyche, he’ll get a top job and win trophies.

Would I want pep at Burnley over emery absolutely no chance

[ksrclaret]

I’d agree with Nottsclaret’s last comment about our football last season. Apalling dreadful naive inneffective football that was rinsed and repeated every match. Put me off going to watch some matches. Looking forward to something different.

Sums it up perfectly.

Thank God that small period of our history is now over. Awful.

[Steddyman]

I’d agree with Nottsclaret’s last comment about our football last season. Apalling dreadful naive inneffective football that was rinsed and repeated every match. Put me off going to watch some matches. Looking forward to something different.

I agree. Apart from the odd rare performance, last season was soul destroying with a stubborn VK refusing to make any changes.

[Rick_Muller]

Aaaaaaaaaaaannnyyhoooooooo….

Any more news on our next manager?

[RVclaret]

Aaaaaaaaaaaannnyyhoooooooo….

Any more news on our next manager?

Corberan from 18s into 5/1 joint 2nd fave after the Athletic report he’s a candidate after being in the running for Leicester.

[scamander]

RVN would be interesting but a fear I have is that if he got us promoted he'd be immediately in the spotlight and the media circus would be pushing him to a big 6 club.

Now, hear me out, I'm not saying promotion would be bad! But consider this - say Rosenior got us promoted or RVN. Which one is going to be linked with every new vacancy continually?

Again, happy to have that headache but I would prefer that we invested our loyalty with someone who is more likely to want to match it. If course RVN could be a very loyal manager but we know the press will be all over him as the next big thing if we had any success under him.

Rosenior seems to deserve a bit of loyalty and coincidentally the last time we took on a manager who had been badly treated by his former club it went rather well. In either case, whoever it is I have faith in the selection and am looking forward to next season.

Just to throw in top players and managers, what was Brian Miller like as a manager. My dad met him at my first game (away vs Barnet in 92). He was in awe and it made his day.

[ArmchairDetective]

RVN would be interesting but a fear I have is that if he got us promoted he'd be immediately in the spotlight and the media circus would be pushing him to a big 6 club.

Now, hear me out, I'm not saying promotion would be bad! But consider this - say Rosenior got us promoted or RVN. Which one is going to be linked with every new vacancy continually?

Again, happy to have that headache but I would prefer that we invested our loyalty with someone who is more likely to want to match it. If course RVN could be a very loyal manager but we know the press will be all over him as the next big thing if we had any success under him.

Rosenior seems to deserve a bit of loyalty and coincidentally the last time we took on a manager who had been badly treated by his former club it went rather well. In either case, whoever it is I have faith in the selection and am looking forward to next season.

Just to throw in top players and managers, what was Brian Miller like as a manager. My dad met him at my first game (away vs Barnet in 92). He was in awe and it made his day.

Not through the door yet and we're already considering when he might leave

I'd rather we go for the more ambitious option but have a plan in place this time for the case that he does move on.

[NewClaret]

All about opinions, and good to hear different views on it, genuinely.

Personally, I thought we were sh**e.

It was definitely ineffective.

My take is that being a Burnley fan has made supporting football pretty simple. We’ve never really over complicated it or adopted modern fads. 4-4-2, or slight variations of, defend well, generally be direct when we have the ball, hit the channels, get balls in to the box or from set pieces and score goals. Nothing wrong with any of that.

Enter Kompany and all of a sudden we’re playing Pepball. I don’t mind admitting I hadn’t a clue what was going on at the start, what formation we were playing or what we were trying to do but it was effective in the championship because we had better players. Most would agree we had a ‘phenomenal’ season there, I think.

So what changed to make us ****e? Just the quality of the opposition, in my view. Not aided by some poor personnel changes, specifically Muric. We persisted largely with the same style that everyone lauded when we were playing a level below but we’re not good enough in either box when up against the big boys.

I conceded to relegation pretty early, so for the majority turned up to the Turf resigned to defeat and spent the season watching far more carefully than I ever have before - watching the positions players were taking up, off the ball movement and patterns we were trying to play.

Can’t say I was clever enough to work it all out, but did see over the course of the season a real improvement in our passing patterns and how we broke teams down (generally by playing very slowly and then occasionally upping the tempo). I’m not saying I enjoyed it at all, but I could see what we were trying to achieve even if it wasn’t being successful. For that reason, I’d have happily given Kompany another season to perfect it in the Championship and crack at the prem if he got us up.

If you stripped out the goals at then end of the game and points were awarded by judges for style like ballroom dancing or something, I reckon we’d have been mid table. I think the results slightly clouded how well we actually played. In fact I’ve never received so many texts from mates of opposition teams complimenting Burnley… usually after a thrashing, which sort of underlines the issue that they enjoyed playing us because we were easy to beat but thought we played good stuff.

Load of waffle in this but overall my point is I thought our football in certain games, and in periods of others, was excellent… but never yielded any results. I understand for most that it’s a results game and they take no pride in decent football when you accumulate 24 points. Neither do I, but I do think if you take away whatever frustrations and bias fans have developed over the course of a season it’s fair to say some good football was played.

I chose the wrong season to stop drinking on the games though

[ClaretTony]

Just to throw in top players and managers, what was Brian Miller like as a manager. My dad met him at my first game (away vs Barnet in 92). He was in awe and it made his day.

He'd have been the chief scout then I think.

Brian was a really good man, someone I knew well and someone who bled claret & blue. The success of the club meant everything to him. As a manager, I have so much respect for him in how he dealt with the Orient game in particular, and the season as a whole. I've been told by many that played for him that he was not the best tactically but was a very good man manager.

[Murger]

The 1 thing that niggles me, it was a fairly bold move by Rosenior to turn down the Sunderland job, in favour of seeing how well he interviews with us?
Maybe there’s more to it?

[ClaretTony]

If you stripped out the goals at then end of the game and points were awarded by judges for style like ballroom dancing or something, I reckon we’d have been mid table. I think the results slightly clouded how well we actually played.

I wonder what on earth you were watching. We were inept, so easy to play against, outwitted by the opposition manager far too often. The results clouded nothing, they showed just how bad we were.

[warksclaret]

RVN would be interesting but a fear I have is that if he got us promoted he'd be immediately in the spotlight and the media circus would be pushing him to a big 6 club.

Now, hear me out, I'm not saying promotion would be bad! But consider this - say Rosenior got us promoted or RVN. Which one is going to be linked with every new vacancy continually?

Again, happy to have that headache but I would prefer that we invested our loyalty with someone who is more likely to want to match it. If course RVN could be a very loyal manager but we know the press will be all over him as the next big thing if we had any success under him.

Rosenior seems to deserve a bit of loyalty and coincidentally the last time we took on a manager who had been badly treated by his former club it went rather well. In either case, whoever it is I have faith in the selection and am looking forward to next season.

Just to throw in top players and managers, what was Brian Miller like as a manager. My dad met him at my first game (away vs Barnet in 92). He was in awe and it made his day.

I think Pace needs to go for the one more likely to get us promoted.Next season is another chapter if we do, and hopefully the Board have learned an awful lot about the need to be prepared for someone wanting to pinch your manager. They obviously were not this time with VK

[RVclaret]

I wonder what on earth you were watching. We were inept, so easy to play against, outwitted by the opposition manager far too often. The results clouded nothing, they showed just how bad we were.

In fairness I wonder what on earth you were watching.

Interesting how we can have such contrasting views on the same thing.

[scamander]

Not through the door yet and we're already considering when he might leave

I'd rather we go for the more ambitious option but have a plan in place this time for the case that he does move on.

I was hoping that I might have been picked for expecting promotion - but what I was trying to clumsily say was how different managers can bring more instability wirh them. Those famous as players seem to drum up attention more quickly, particularly if they have a link to a club here. The press love that sort of thing, but anyway, hoping the next one in does a great job and sticks around for a bit.

[scamander]

He'd have been the chief scout then I think.

Brian was a really good man, someone I knew well and someone who bled claret & blue. The success of the club meant everything to him. As a manager, I have so much respect for him in how he dealt with the Orient game in particular, and the season as a whole. I've been told by many that played for him that he was not the best tactically but was a very good man manager.

That sounds right, I think that season we were the highest scoring away side and Barnet the highest scoring home team - obviously a 0-0 ensued!

My dad met him a few times, told me what a fantastic player he was.

[fatboy47]

Just to throw in top players and managers, what was Brian Miller like as a manager.

[Suntan]

If you believe social media we've whittled the list down to 3 candidates; Corberan, RVN & an unnamed foreign manager.
And I think there's a reason why one of them is still unknown

[dougcollins]

Not through the door yet and we're already considering when he might leave

It's the Burnley way. As soon as we acquire a player people on here discuss how much we'll get when we sell them.

[Vegas Claret]

I wonder what on earth you were watching. We were inept, so easy to play against, outwitted by the opposition manager far too often. The results clouded nothing, they showed just how bad we were.

There were games last season where it looked like the players didn't have the foggiest idea of where they were supposed to be on the pitch. It was bizarre to see and not something you often see at that level. Staggeringly poor.

[Holtyclaret]

How much money has Alan Pace actually invested ?

I’ve heard 3 figures over the years ranging from £10-20m, a considerable sum for him.

[NewClaret]

I wonder what on earth you were watching. We were inept, so easy to play against, outwitted by the opposition manager far too often. The results clouded nothing, they showed just how bad we were.

I don’t want to pollute the thread and I’m not picking an argument, in fact I felt the same across the season after a number of games, but didn’t post because I knew my views were contrary to popular opinion and would just attract ridicule or argument.

But my observation was that at times there was flashes of the best football I’ve seen us play. Fleeting moments in most - might’ve been how we beat a press, how we built out from the back or how we developed a pattern that created an overload or chance on goal. Too often the final ball was awful or the finish wayward.

Overall I thought those moments became more frequent in the second half of the season and I could see progress which I thought was reflected in the results. I think had the second half of the season been our first half (and we played Muric throughout), we’d have stood every chance of staying up.

Beyond that, I’m not saying anything else - I agree we were inept and too easy to beat. I agree other managers knew how they’d beat us and did just that.

I’m not defending anyone, just saying what I saw. Understand if others felt differently.

[NewClaret]

I’ve heard 3 figures over the years ranging from £10-20m, a considerable sum for him.

Thought you meant up to £999 then

[Holtyclaret]

I think Pace needs to go for the one more likely to get us promoted.Next season is another chapter if we do, and hopefully the Board have learned an awful lot about the need to be prepared for someone wanting to pinch your manager. They obviously were not this time with VK

I’d say inserting the compensation clause in his contract a year ago as being very well prepared.

Carefully recruiting a new manager on seasons end as club football enters its summer break will always take a bit of time, it’s why we’ve appointed interim managers.

[jedi_master]

Take Corberan or RVN if they really are the main two contenders. Corberan has done pretty well with limited spend but I can’t say I’ve ever been impressed watching his teams. I’d be content to give him a go though.

[ClaretTony]

That sounds right, I think that season we were the highest scoring away side and Barnet the highest scoring home team - obviously a 0-0 ensued!

My dad met him a few times, told me what a fantastic player he was.

Very good player. Career ended suddenly with an ACL sustained at Villa in 1967 when he was 30. So sadly passed away far too soon at just 70.

[KefkaClaret]

Would be delighted with Corberan, happy with RVN. Think Corberan would be very pragmatic with us in the Prem.

[CoolClaret]

I don’t want to pollute the thread and I’m not picking an argument, in fact I felt the same across the season after a number of games, but didn’t post because I knew my views were contrary to popular opinion and would just attract ridicule or argument.

But my observation was that at times there was flashes of the best football I’ve seen us play. Fleeting moments in most - might’ve been how we beat a press, how we built out from the back or how we developed a pattern that created an overload or chance on goal. Too often the final ball was awful or the finish wayward.

Overall I thought those moments became more frequent in the second half of the season and I could see progress which I thought was reflected in the results. I think had the second half of the season been our first half (and we played Muric throughout), we’d have stood every chance of staying up.

Beyond that, I’m not saying anything else - I agree we were inept and too easy to beat. I agree other managers knew how they’d beat us and did just that.

I’m not defending anyone, just saying what I saw. Understand if others felt differently.

They were few and far between - I think you were just trying to find positives and clinging to them. Anyone can set a team up to try these intricate, drilled patterns and say 'well it nearly paid off'... but it didn't? It was ineffective, daft football.

That's the sort of setup that you'd have your youngsters and development teams playing, where results are secondary but this is(was) top flight football where results are paramount and any chance that you have to remain in the PL you absolutely have to make a real fist of it, not write it off as 'development' and a 'five year plan' which was always b0llocks. Vinnie had 0 intention of doing another season in the Champ.

This about fans of other teams saying we've played well, Fernandes' comments etc is all the same crap Norwich got when they tried to pass the ball about a bit but ultimately got battered - I see it more as a condescending ruffle of the hair.

You also have to remember re quality of football that there's still attending fans as well as posters on this messageboard that's quite literally seen it all, from great Title winning teams team of the late 50s/60s to the young team of the 70s.

It isn't new to them - we were one of the first sides and definitely the first english side to have success with 'total football', not to mention, we certainly did play more than this propagated myth under Dyche that it was just 4-4-2 set piece/hoof ball.

[NewClaret]

They were few and far between - I think you were just trying to find positives and clinging to them. Anyone can set a team up to try these intricate, drilled patterns and say 'well it nearly paid off'... but it didn't? It was ineffective, daft football.

That's the sort of setup that you'd have your youngsters and development teams playing, where results are secondary but this is(was) top flight football where results are paramount and any chance that you have to remain in the PL you absolutely have to make a real fist of it, not write it off as 'development' and a 'five year plan' which was always b0llocks. Vinnie had 0 intention of doing another season in the Champ.

This about fans of other teams saying we've played well, Fernandes' comments etc is all the same crap Norwich got when they tried to pass the ball about a bit but ultimately got battered - I see it more as a condescending ruffle of the hair.

You also have to remember re quality of football that there's still attending fans as well as posters on this messageboard that's quite literally seen it all, from great Title winning teams team of the late 50s/60s to the young team of the 70s.

It isn't new to them - we were one of the first sides and definitely the first english side to have success with 'total football', not to mention, we certainly did play more than this propagated myth under Dyche that it was just 4-4-2 set piece/hoof ball.

I literally said in my earlier post that it was ineffective so no arguments there.

Nor am I seeking an argument at all. I am not trying to find positives or clinging to them. I really don’t need to try and kid myself about the season - it’s over and the manager that led it is gone. The line is drawn.

Overall the season was a disaster but that doesn’t mean I cant hold an opinion that there were positives. I think there were and one of them was the football played at times. There were a few others.

What did Fernandez say out of interest, didn’t hear that?

[ClaretTony]

we certainly did play more than this propagated myth under Dyche that it was just 4-4-2 set piece/hoof ball.

From the start of 2017/18 to the end of 2019/20 we played some terrific football under Dyche, apart from the first half of the 2018/19 season. During that time we won 54 points in 2017/18 and then after that awful Boxing Day defeat against Everton we won a staggering 82 points from the next 57 games. We didn’t do that by playing any set piece/hoof ball.

[CoolClaret]

What did Fernandez say out of interest, didn’t hear that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeIJd4UyQ_E

[BleedingClaret]

As long as it’s not Southgate

[KRBFC]

From the start of 2017/18 to the end of 2019/20 we played some terrific football under Dyche, apart from the first half of the 2018/19 season. During that time we won 54 points in 2017/18 and then after that awful Boxing Day defeat against Everton we won a staggering 82 points from the next 57 games. We didn’t do that by playing any set piece/hoof ball.

Of course we didn’t, our stats for hoofball were top of the charts every season. You can keep trying to rewrite history and pretend Dyche had us playing nice football but every football fan knows that isn’t the Dyche way.

Anyway Dyche is gone Tony, you’re gonna have to get over it.

[ClaretTony]

Of course we didn’t, our stats for hoofball were top of the charts every season. You can keep trying to rewrite history and pretend Dyche had us playing nice football but every football fan knows that isn’t the Dyche way.

Anyway Dyche is gone Tony, you’re gonna have to get over it.

You really do post some crap. But the good news is we won’t have to put up with that Kompany crap again. Get over it.

[KRBFC]

You really do post some crap. But the good news is we won’t have to put up with that Kompany crap again. Get over it.

At least Pace seems to agree with me, he doesn’t want to watch hoofball crap so he thankfully won’t be employing another Dyche.

[123EasyasBFC]

Jensen appointed assistant coach

Evri34 gutted as Nixon called it rubbish

[Lord_Bob]

Just weird. No manager but a first team assistant manger????

[Poulton-le-Claret]

[elwaclaret]

At least Pace seems to agree with me, he doesn’t want to watch hoofball crap so he thankfully won’t be employing another Dyche.

If by hoofball, you mean playing into the channels and turning the opposition and making them think about the press then clearly you are not interested in seeing a Burnley team win. I do not want to see tip-tap football in front of the opposition, just waiting for us to lose possession and goals again next season if that excites you I think you are in the minority.

[burnley007]

Jensen appointed assistant coach

Evri34 gutted as Nixon called it rubbish

Has an assistant EVER been employed before a manager before???

[123EasyasBFC]

Has an assistant EVER been employed before a manager before???

No it’s remarkable don’t understand it

[RVclaret]

It’s rather baffling to me. Especially given today’s report that we aren’t close to finalising a managerial appointment.

[Row Z]

You really do post some crap. But the good news is we won’t have to put up with that Kompany crap again. Get over it.

101 points Kompany crap?

I agree this season has been about Kompany’s ego and in doing so he cost us our premier league place, but last season was the best in my memory for turning up to each game expecting to see all the ball and score goals. The belief in the fans even when we went 1 down was so strong that we’d score 3/4.

[edison]

Anyone any clue what is going on?

[Row Z]

It’s rather baffling to me. Especially given today’s report that we aren’t close to finalising a managerial appointment.

Perhaps setting him up as a future manager if we lose our big name?

[RVclaret]

Perhaps setting him up as a future manager if we lose our big name?

Not having that one.

[jedi_master]

Surely the manager has been selected already then?

What club appoints the assistant manager without any incoming manager choosing/approving them? They might not gel, have totally different tactical ideas etc? Not to mention the manager may, and almost certainly would, have his own team he’d want to bring in with him (I.e, Corberan already has his own assistant at WBA…).

[RVclaret]

Surely the manager has been selected already then?

What club appoints the assistant manager without any incoming manager choosing/approving them? They might not gel, have totally different tactical ideas etc? Not to mention the manager may, and almost certainly would, have his own team he’d want to bring in with him (I.e, Corberan already has his own assistant at WBA…).

Fully agree. Only thing that makes sense here is that it’s Bellamy and this Jensen is the assistant.

[exilecanada]

I’m coming to the realisation that something in the mentality of an elite player stops most of them being elite managers, something to do with how they make decisions, how single minded they are, how stubborn and how selfish. How narcissistic. I can see it being easy for the love players initially have for their legend of a manager to wear off, put it that way.

It's really quite common for ex elite players in many sports to fail as a coach/manager. In my mind one of the reasons they fail is they're unable to fathom why players they are coaching are unable to do what they did easily.