Next seasons shirt sponsor.

[Mark the Claret]

Rotten and immoral, as we have come to expect.

Good news for those who support a bank balance, not really so much for those still clinging on to the idea of supporting a community football club.

There's nothing wrong with gambling, it's not illegal, if some people can't regulate themselves, it's not societies fault, get off your high horse.

[RVclaret]

Sounds like a good deal. Nothing wrong with having gambling sponsors on shirts.

[ClaretTony]

First time since 2011/12 season that we’ve had a gambling company on front of the shirt outside the Premier League

[ArmchairDetective]

I was confidently told that the sponsor would be w88 again. Wonder what's happened there.

Echoing other posters have said, ideally we'd have moved away from betting sponsors by now. But I also think we're probably in no position to be turning down record sponsorship deals. I remember being told they're about 100% more lucrative than non betting sponsors unfortunately. A sad reality.

[daveisaclaret]

Are bank balances not important to community football clubs?

I think you understand the point I've made very clearly and why this is a pointless and silly question.

[daveisaclaret]

There's nothing wrong with gambling, it's not illegal, if some people can't regulate themselves, it's not societies fault, get off your high horse.

I believe this is a post that could only be made by somebody who doesn't know or doesn't care how predatory the gambling industry is.

[123EasyasBFC]

Drinking alcohol is promoted in and around the ground on match days and there doesn’t seem to be the same noise about getting that banned from football, when if anything drinking ruins more lives than gambling does

[agreenwood]

I think you understand the point I've made very clearly and why this is a pointless and silly question.

I think it’s far easier to view this in black and white as a fan.

[ClaretTony]

There's nothing wrong with gambling, it's not illegal, if some people can't regulate themselves, it's not societies fault, get off your high horse.

I’m alright Jack

[Mark the Claret]

It's still down to the individual to show some self control and willpower to resist the temptation to gamble, they aren't physically made to do it.

[Dodobdobodobo]

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[daveisaclaret]

I think it’s far easier to view this in black and white as a fan.

Well yeah. My relationship with the football club isn't me trying to extract money from it.

[Mark the Claret]

I’m alright Jack

Yes I am, and I'm not called Jack

[ClaretTony]

Yes I am, and I'm not called Jack

I’ve seen the result in person of people who have been badly affected by gambling and the continued pushing of it in football. And that includes parents who have seen sons take their own lives.

[Jamesy]

On this subject, I am a little confused as to why a football club owned (or mortgaged) by a group who are members of the Church of The Latter Day Saints would even consider a betting company as a main shirt sponsor?

[ŽižkovClaret]

I’ve seen the result in person of people who have been badly affected by gambling and the continued pushing of it in football. And that includes parents who have seen sons take their own lives.

Which is why football sponsorship by gambling firms should be banned, but until it is we'd be negligent to turn down double the best non-gambling offer.

I bumped this thread rather than starting a new one because frankly this debate has been done to death and won't really do anyone any good to start it all over again

[RicardoMontalban]

There’s enough evidence and understanding out there that show the compulsive and addictive behaviour that can lead to some people getting into a bad place with gambling, share an awful lot in common with those that lead to alcoholism. There is absolutely an argument to view this as a public health issue.

We’ve moved past saying, as a society, why can’t alcoholics just not drink, or at least drink in moderation? Maybe we need to be thinking similarly with gambling. Doesn’t mean we ban it, just that we need to think how it sits within public life. The argument that people need to show some self control is a bit out of date these days.

[Mark the Claret]

I don't want to be argumentative, but does seeing a gambling firm on a shirt, really make anyone rush out and place a bet with them?

[daveisaclaret]

I don't want to be argumentative, but does seeing a gambling firm on a shirt, really make anyone rush out and place a bet with them?

Why do you think they pay twice as much as other sponsors, if not because it makes them money?

[colner]

New sponsor has a too much of a wiff of Hannover for my liking,wont be buying any strip with that on fraid

[agreenwood]

I’ve seen the result in person of people who have been badly affected by gambling and the continued pushing of it in football. And that includes parents who have seen sons take their own lives.

…and that’s horrendous. I’d just ask, where does the moral responsibility of the football club and associated organisations stop when it comes to their activities?

I’ve known alcoholics and I’ve seen what it has done to them and their families. Should the football club stop making money from selling alcohol to fans? Should the supporters clubs, some of which will be against gambling sponsorship, stop meeting places that make money from alcohol?

[South West Claret.]

On this subject, I am a little confused as to why a football club owned (or mortgaged) by a group who are members of the Church of The Latter Day Saints would even consider a betting company as a main shirt sponsor?

Good point I was just thinking the same thing.

[ClaretInLeeds]

It's still down to the individual to show some self control and willpower to resist the temptation to gamble, they aren't physically made to do it.

For those who weren't aware, Mark the Claret does quite obviously not have any problems with addiction in his life and has never encountered anyone with such issues.

[ecc]

There's something inherently wrong when the TV broadcaster also flogs its own betting service.

Back in the day you had to go to bookies' premises, that weren't overly salubrious, to place bets. These days you can do it anywhere at any time.

It's been rendered as a "good thing" to do. Nobody reads the small print warnings on the bottom of the screen.

[beddie]

On this subject, I am a little confused as to why a football club owned (or mortgaged) by a group who are members of the Church of The Latter Day Saints would even consider a betting company as a main shirt sponsor?

I’m surprised you’d ask that question. I’ll give you a clue. ABBA had a hit with its 3 word title.

[ClaretTony]

…and that’s horrendous. I’d just ask, where does the moral responsibility of the football club and associated organisations stop when it comes to their activities?

I’ve known alcoholics and I’ve seen what it has done to them and their families. Should the football club stop making money from selling alcohol to fans? Should the supporters clubs, some of which will be against gambling sponsorship, stop meeting places that make money from alcohol?

Lots of arguments which I appreciate. I don’t gamble at all so it goes over my head but once pointed out to me it is horrendous how much gambling advertising that is pushed in your face at football or watching it on tv.

[Mark the Claret]

For those who weren't aware, Mark the Claret does quite obviously not have any problems with addiction in his life and has never encountered anyone with such issues.

Of course I'm aware of addiction, and I have every sympathy with anyone suffering, all I am saying is they should treat the addiction and not just ban what caused it and hope it goes away.

[daveisaclaret]

…and that’s horrendous. I’d just ask, where does the moral responsibility of the football club and associated organisations stop when it comes to their activities?

I’ve known alcoholics and I’ve seen what it has done to them and their families. Should the football club stop making money from selling alcohol to fans? Should the supporters clubs, some of which will be against gambling sponsorship, stop meeting places that make money from alcohol?

The moral responsibility of the football club should stop somewhere short of promoting it.

I don't know why people think the alcohol point is a gotcha. English football has moved on from alcohol sponsorship.

[IanMcL]

Which is the lesser evil. Alcohol sponsorship or Gambling?

[Mark the Claret]

The moral responsibility of the football club should stop somewhere short of promoting it.

I don't know why people think the alcohol point is a gotcha. English football has moved on from alcohol sponsorship.

Isn't sponsorship just another form of advertising, there are plenty of images of alcohol brands around the football ground.

[IanMcL]

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/s ... al-96-com/

Is 96 a poor man's 69 or just straight?

[agreenwood]

The moral responsibility of the football club should stop somewhere short of promoting it.

I don't know why people think the alcohol point is a gotcha. English football has moved on from alcohol sponsorship.

Where did I suggest it was a gotcha moment? You could have made the point without the second paragraph.

Making money from things that people are known to become addicted to is all the same to me, whether you make the money by sticking a logo on your shirt or through offering them to thousands of people 20-odd times a season.

[Boss Hogg]

Gambling that targets kids such as spinning wheels on mobiles should be banned. I don’t see the attraction personally but can see how kids might. Banning all gambling promotion and alcohol is using a sledgehammer to crack a nut though. It’s a minority who can’t control their alcohol consumption or feel the need to gamble more than they can afford. Smoking was different because even in moderation can kill you.

[GetIntoEm]

i've never once looked at a football shirt and thought i best start using that company.

gambling is part of society, some cant handle the responsibility that comes with managing ones self on things like this. doesnt mean everyone should be affected.

we've already lost alcohol and cigarette sponsers, gambling is going next.

however, we dont see much criticism of sponsors like Standard Chartered who launder money for international terror groups, whats worse?

[Cooclaret]

I’ve seen the result in person of people who have been badly affected by gambling and the continued pushing of it in football. And that includes parents who have seen sons take their own lives.

Whilst you can empathise with this situations, and rightly work on a wider scale with partners to minimise the impacts, it is one subject that affects an element of our fan base.

Vaping and drinking arguably affect a greater % but we continue to allow this behaviour and make money out of the later.

We should be maximising our return for the club, but working with the sponsor and others to create education systems that can impact those who fall foul of gambling.

Addiction is a fascinating subject, and there’s some outstanding literature that’s available to read.

It is not solved by removing a sponsor from a shirt.

[Cooclaret]

The moral responsibility of the football club should stop somewhere short of promoting it.

I don't know why people think the alcohol point is a gotcha. English football has moved on from alcohol sponsorship.

It’s moved from the shirts to the stands…

[BurnleyFC]

That’s meaningless really. The Classic Football Shirts deal was minimal and not for all kits. The previous Championship season was nine years earlier than this one.

I didn’t even think of that.

[MarkGreen]

I've seen a few quoting a tweet by Alan Pace back in 2021 where he said he promises to look into betting sponsors part of the overall commercial strategy.

People took this as him promising to never use betting sponsors again. Money talks and he can't ignore it.

We used to tweet weekly Ladbrokes offers like "receive a £1 free bet when you sign up" etc, "Use your free bet here"... Now, we don't see the club pushing the fans to use the services at all. (Maybe I am wrong and I am looking in the wrong places)

We take their money, stick their logo on the front of a shirt, a few advertising boards and that is about it. Even in the post announcing the deal, the club talks about 96.com as a business and doesn't ask you to create an account or offer any sort of incentive to place a bet.

[wilks_bfc]

It’s the hypocrisy of it all though.

Love him or hate him, Joey was right when he pointed out that the FA was ok in taking the money from Ladbrooks as an England partner whilst investigating players betting habits.

[billyhamilton82]

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Don't worry it's only 96 Tears.....

We are taking them on just so we can dump them next season.

[claret2018]

I just think of Hillsborough looking at that

[Bowclaret]

Betting company on the shirt or keep Sander Berge !

Uummmmm !

[wilks_bfc]

Betting company on the shirt or keep Sander Berge !

Uummmmm !

That means he’s going then seeing as the first has already happened

[CoolClaret]

Some really silly understanding of how sponsorships/marketing works on this page.

Bookmakers are aiming to create an environment where gambling is seen as an integral part of the football experience, similar to how betting has become deeply associated with horse racing. Their goal is to make placing a bet as routine as attending a match.

For some people that's fine, they can ignore it or control themselves but for others, constant exposure to gambling promotions will slowly erode their willpower and self-control. It's not a simple matter of saying yes or no once - it's a continuous challenge that depletes their resistance over time until they eventually give in.

Gambling sponsorship is different than typical product sponsorship as well. It exploits impulsivity and the allure of quick financial gain... Which, people are needing now more than ever with the cost of living.

The more involved everyone gets, the more money the bookies make.

Marketing and advertisements absolutely work or they wouldn't bother doing it. Test your self now even, think of a soft drink you probably think 'CocaCola' first and think of a tin of beans and you'll probably think of 'Heinz'.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Some really silly understanding of how sponsorships/marketing works on this page.

Bookmakers are aiming to create an environment where gambling is seen as an integral part of the football experience, similar to how betting has become deeply associated with horse racing. Their goal is to make placing a bet as routine as attending a match.

For some people that's fine, they can ignore it or control themselves but for others, constant exposure to gambling promotions will slowly erode their willpower and self-control. It's not a simple matter of saying yes or no once - it's a continuous challenge that depletes their resistance over time until they eventually give in.

Gambling sponsorship is different than typical product sponsorship as well. It exploits impulsivity and the allure of quick financial gain... Which, people are needing now more than ever with the cost of living.

The more involved everyone gets, the more money the bookies make.

Marketing and advertisements absolutely work or they wouldn't bother doing it. Test your self now even, think of a soft drink you probably think 'CocaCola' first and think of a tin of beans and you'll probably think of 'Heinz'.

So, here's an idea, the Government can well, govern, and make it illegal. Until they do, BFC will maximise their revenues.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Are bank balances not important to community football clubs?

You would hope those angered by this have never watched an illegal stream of a Burnley game rather than attend it, would hate to think they would rather do that than contribute to the community club they care about.

[Boss Hogg]

Whilst I’d probably prefer a non gambling shirt so kids can wear the same ones as the players there is a real culture nowadays of blaming someone else or something else over personal responsibility. If I like cakes a lot and I’m very tempted by them it’s not the fault of Oddies placing an advert if I eat them until I’m 22 stone and get heart disease.

[cblantfanclub]

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑Fri Jun 28, 2024 10:54 am
Rotten and immoral, as we have come to expect.

Good news for those who support a bank balance, not really so much for those still clinging on to the idea of supporting a community football club.

It's a complex issue defining a community football club. I'd be interested in the moral guidelines you would expect one to follow to comply.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Is there no irony in people being outraged at the club taking money of a gambling company but will still pay to watch games in the Skybet Championship. Or do morals only stretch part way ?

[ŽižkovClaret]

I do wonder if some people would prefer say BAE Systems as sponsor?