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Re: Euro 2024

Post by ElectroClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:55 pm

ksrclaret wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:53 pm
Well I guess we’ll see what’s going on with Denmark manager rumours now.
Absolutely.
Should hurry things along, if there's owt in it.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:55 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:52 pm
Haha trust you. Vote for Reform - of VAR.
What did the officials get wrong in the two quick-fire incidents?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Wokingclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:55 pm

Pearcey wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:51 pm
Kasper out!
Has a familiar ring to it :lol:

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Casper2 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:55 pm

Tufty wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:52 pm
Maybe we should apply VAR to the 1986 world Cup and replay England's semi final against Argentina.
Quarter-Final

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by agreenwood » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:56 pm

Just seen the goal back. The ball holds up on the soggy pitch allowing Musiala to reach it. If the defender knew the ball would do that, it’s a hell of a pass. If not, he’s a lucky ******* 🤣

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:56 pm

on the assumption Spain beat Georgia then Germany v Spain should be a good game

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:01 pm

Rudiger, cheating ****

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Mark the Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:02 pm

Brun Larsen coming on.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by chekhov » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:02 pm

Bruun Larsen coming on…
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:03 pm

I didn't know he'd been called up

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Mark the Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:04 pm

Is he still ours, or was he on loan?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by IanMcL » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:04 pm

Come on Bruun Larsen!

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:05 pm

Mark the Claret wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:04 pm
Is he still ours, or was he on loan?
loan, latest rumour was he's off to Fulham and turned us down

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:05 pm

He's no longer a Burnley player. Pity

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by mdd2 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:07 pm

Can’t complain about that goal

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:13 pm

Danes just don't have anywhere near the quality of the Germans

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:15 pm

Great for Jacob to get some minutes. Did terrific for us, good attitude, good effort. Wish him all the best.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:17 pm

To win this tournament whoever it is will need to beet Germany. Very strong squad

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:19 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:01 pm
Rudiger, cheating ****
You should just paste that

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by willsclarets » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:22 pm

Germany have some cracking players but I think Denmark had the better of it after 15 mins and until the 2 minutes of madness. And when they chased the game Germany had plenty of counter opportunities. But they're beatable for sure.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Newcastleclaret93 » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:24 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:17 pm
To win this tournament whoever it is will need to beet Germany. Very strong squad
Must admit I think they have a decent starting eleven. Not sure there squads particularly great.

They a very strange side, I think they look great in flashes but I think they were very fortunate today.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:26 pm

Newcastleclaret93 wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:24 pm
Must admit I think they have a decent starting eleven. Not sure there squads particularly great.

They a very strange side, I think they look great in flashes but I think they were very fortunate today.
Bound to be very strong contenders.
Against popular opinion, but I think we will be in the mix. :o

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:30 pm

who is this American lady on ITV talking about the rules ?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Taffy on the wing » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:31 pm

Stuart Attwell strikes again......

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:33 pm

Think i'll be taking in (significantly more) non-league next season... What a effing joke modern football is, it's bloody sh1te.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Swizzlestick » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:33 pm

boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:26 pm
Bound to be very strong contenders.
Against popular opinion, but I think we will be in the mix. :o
Not really against popular opinion, they’re one of the favourites, but thought they rode their luck tonight before the VAR madness and Denmark will feel a bit hard done to.

Certainly hope the Danish manager is our guy.

EDIT - Sorry, I’ve misread your post - long day! I agree!)
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Stayingup » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:35 pm

Great example of why VAR needs binning. It's ridiculous. The officials have to abide by the fact an attackers toe is offside.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by jrgbfc » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:36 pm

Germany v Spain in the quarters should be interesting (assuming Spain get through)

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Winstonswhite » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:37 pm

The woman rules expert on itv explains everything brilliantly. A load of b@llocks, but she explains it brilliantly.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by martin_p » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:39 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:36 pm
Does this studio ref ever disagree with a decision? She is super annoying.
I think she’s brilliant, her explanation of how these things are determined was something we don’t often hear. The fact she knows the current interpretation of the rules and can explain it so well really contributes to the coverage. In summary you can’t blame the ref or the VAR officials for any of the decisions as they’ve applied the current interpretation of the rules perfectly. Whether you agree with those interpretations is another matter!
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by LincsWoldsClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:40 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:30 pm
who is this American lady on ITV talking about the rules ?
Ex FIFA ref - knows the rules and tries to justify them

Not her fault the rules have totally spoilt the game.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Claretincraven » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:41 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:37 pm
The woman rules expert on itv explains everything brilliantly. A load of b@llocks, but she explains it brilliantly.
Did my head in. Probably the most irritating commentator I have ever heard.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:35 pm
Great example of why VAR needs binning. It's ridiculous. The officials have to abide by the fact an attackers toe is offside.
So the officials didn’t get those decisions wrong? Trust me. ;)

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Nonayforever » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm

Stopped watching the match after those 2 VAR decisions.
I very rarely watch any match now other than Burnley purely because of those types of incidents.
The ref, linesman and players didn't see anything wrong with the first goal but VAR tried to find 3 faults in order to rule the goal out.
Nonsense.
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by agreenwood » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm

Murger wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:36 pm
Does this studio ref ever disagree with a decision? She is super annoying.
She’s explaining the rule and why the decision was made. Whether you agree with the rule or how IFAB want to interpret it, is a completely different discussion.

She’s very clear and concise I think. It’s a nice balance to have what the pundit thinks set alongside how IFAB want the rules interpreted.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Vegas Claret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:48 pm

LincsWoldsClaret wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:40 pm
Ex FIFA ref - knows the rules and tries to justify them

Not her fault the rules have totally spoilt the game.
ok cheers, not someone I've come across before, I thought she did explain things well and concur with your last point ! It sounds like she does too
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Stayingup » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:49 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:55 pm
What did the officials get wrong in the two quick-fire incidents?
They didn't. They have the decisions as told to them by the VAR people. BUt and it's a big but the two contentious decisions and very contentious they were, were not given by the onfield official in real time. VAR has ruined the game. An offside toe? Come in? Did you ever play football?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:54 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:49 pm
They didn't. They have the decisions as told to them by the VAR people. BUt and it's a big but the two contentious decisions and very contentious they were, were not given by the onfield official in real time. VAR has ruined the game. An offside toe? Come in? Did you ever play football?
Yes I’ve played football all my life and I still do, but that’s irrelevant. You mocked my post where I said that 2 minute period was very well officiated, particularly when you consider the pressure the officials would have been under, the number of factors they had to consider and the speed they came to the correct decisions. I wouldn’t have expected either decision to have been given by the onfield assistants as the first was literally an inch offside, and the second was a very slight hand ball with the AR on the opposite side of the pitch.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Goalposts » Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:57 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 9:43 pm
Not sure what all the criticism is for. The English assistants dealt with a crazy 2 minutes correctly and efficiently. It was actually an example of very good officiating.
If you genuinely believe that - their are only 3 possibilities’

1 you have no understanding or appreciation of the game whether having played or not
2 you have no understanding of the spirit of the game are how it should be played
3 you blindly support the decision making or action regardless of points 1 or 2
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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:00 pm

Goalposts wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:57 pm
If you genuinely believe that - their are only 3 possibilities’

1 you have no understanding or appreciation of the game whether having played or not
2 you have no understanding of the spirit of the game are how it should be played
3 you blindly support the decision making or action regardless of points 1 or 2
You’re forgetting possibility 4 which is that I’m right.

But if you don’t think I am perhaps you could enlighten me as to what the officials got wrong with the two quick-fire incidents being discussed?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by CoolClaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:01 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm
Stopped watching the match after those 2 VAR decisions.
I very rarely watch any match now other than Burnley purely because of those types of incidents.
The ref, linesman and players didn't see anything wrong with the first goal but VAR tried to find 3 faults in order to rule the goal out.
Nonsense.
Same and same.

Good job money men - way to ruin the game.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Goalposts » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:08 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:00 pm
You’re forgetting possibility 4 which is that I’m right.

But if you don’t think I am perhaps you could enlighten me as to what the officials got wrong with the two quick-fire incidents being discussed?
If you need enlightening nothing and i mean nothing will change your mind . I’m a big fan of mark twain in these regards

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:13 pm

Goalposts wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:08 pm
If you need enlightening nothing and i mean nothing will change your mind . I’m a big fan of mark twain in these regards
You can’t tell me what the officials got wrong can you?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dsr » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:13 pm

Stayingup wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:35 pm
Great example of why VAR needs binning. It's ridiculous. The officials have to abide by the fact an attackers toe is offside.
What's so ridiculous is that someone in VAR Towers has looked at incidents like the disallowed goal and decided that allowing goals like that is spoiling the game. Quite genuinely, they must believe that 6 years ago (when that would have been given as a goal as "level", there would be a majority of football fans going home disappointed because they suspected that the man might have been a half inch offside.

And similarly, for the penalty a minute later, they believe there would have been an outcry because TV pictures suggested that the ball might have brushed the finger of a Danish defender on its way over. In this case they are delighted to ensure that VAR can be used to look at irrelevant trivialities and turn them into game-changing penalties.

And the ultimate stupidity is that when they went to the laws committee and explained that they could disallow previously legit goals, and could make trivial offences into game changers, but to do this it would involve long, long delays and stupidities like playing on after offside decisions because it's been made impossible for the linsemen - and the powers that be said "sounds wonderful, go for it".

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Goalposts » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:14 pm

lol. You really dont get it or the mark twain reference or points 1 or 2 lol

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by dsr » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:17 pm

Rileybobs wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:13 pm
You can’t tell me what the officials got wrong can you?
I reckon they got the handball penalty wrong. I think the Dane's arm was in a natural position.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by RVclaret » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:19 pm

Too close and natural position. Poor interpretation of the law.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:19 pm

Goalposts wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:14 pm
lol. You really dont get it or the mark twain reference or points 1 or 2 lol
I’m not really interested in Mark Twain, or Shania for that matter. I just want someone to explain how the officials got the decisions wrong, bearing in mind that is what I’m being condescended for. You can keep evading the question but it’s not really strengthening your argument.

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Rileybobs » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:24 pm

dsr wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:17 pm
I reckon they got the handball penalty wrong. I think the Dane's arm was in a natural position.
My understanding is that officials in this tournament were told to deem the arm to be in an unnatural position if it is above the horizontal. I may well be wrong and would be happy to hold my hand up (below the horizontal just to be safe) if so. I turned off after the game so haven’t seen the coverage but what did ITV’s ‘laws of the game expert’ think?

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Re: Euro 2024

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Jun 29, 2024 11:28 pm

Nonayforever wrote:
Sat Jun 29, 2024 10:42 pm
Stopped watching the match after those 2 VAR decisions.
I very rarely watch any match now other than Burnley purely because of those types of incidents.
The ref, linesman and players didn't see anything wrong with the first goal but VAR tried to find 3 faults in order to rule the goal out.
Nonsense.
Same old, same old. EUFA & FIFA will always get the result they want. From the CL & EL to the International tournaments year after year teams will get stuffed by officialdom to get the chosen side through. Look at the outrageous decision to disallow BMs equaliser at RM(the most chosen side).

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