Euro 2024

[Dyched]

It was the wrong decision.

It would have been the right call had the ref instantly pointed to the spot to give it. Then it would have been a CLEAR penalty.

The fact he had to look on a screen to give the penalty to me says it’s the wrong call.

[Firthy]

Disallowed goal and handball were both ludicrous and totally biased decisions. It is everything that is wrong with football at the top.

Here is a freeze fame of the moment he kicks the ball, it's not even close to being offside and how the hell they drew the line when they did is an absolute joke.

And also a freeze frame of the handball. his arm is in a totally natural position for someone running and if you watch the video he was actually pulling his arm backward at the time. No deliberate handball and if anything it's the slightest brush on his hand that didn't affect the trajectory of the ball.

[Firthy]

Oops my bad. Just realsied it was when he passed it back but still too close to justify disallowing the goal.

[martin_p]

Disallowed goal and handball were both ludicrous and totally biased decisions. It is everything that is wrong with football at the top.

Here is a freeze fame of the moment he kicks the ball, it's not even close to being offside and how the hell they drew the line when they did is an absolute joke.

And also a freeze frame of the handball. his arm is in a totally natural position for someone running and if you watch the video he was actually pulling his arm backward at the time. No deliberate handball and if anything it's the slightest brush on his hand that didn't affect the trajectory of the ball.

The offside happened slightly earlier in the move so that freeze frame isn’t relevant.

[martin_p]

Oops my bad. Just realsied it was when he passed it back but still too close to justify disallowing the goal.

So what would you define as being offside then?

[Firthy]

So what would you define as being offside then?

Clear and obvious not fractions of an inch.

[claretskeith]

Clear and obvious not fractions of an inch.

A fraction of an inch offside is still offside.

[Hapag Lloyd]

So what would you define as being offside then?

He was definitely offside when the ball first came into the box, although he didn’t touch it, but had got back onside before he received the pass from which he scored. I don’t know the rules well enough (first phase/second phase) to say whether the goal should have stood.

[martin_p]

Clear and obvious not fractions of an inch.

So define how many inches clear and obvious is then because surely once you’ve seen a freeze frame showing a toe an inch ahead of the defender it’s clear and obvious.

[martin_p]

He was definitely offside when the ball first came into the box, although he didn’t touch it, but had got back onside before he received the pass from which he scored. I don’t know the rules well enough (first phase/second phase) to say whether the goal should have stood.

No, the offside was given against the danish player who made the initial attempt to get to the cross not the goal scorer.

[martin_p]

What IFAB need to decide is how they want the tools VAR offers to help their officials referee games better. The problem as I see it is that rather than using VAR as as many extra pairs of eyes as there are tv cameras in the ground they’ve chosen to use it as a superpower. The problem that referees had was that they’re only human so often missed things or were in the wrong position to make a correct decision. So what VAR should offer is an opportunity to look at something again from a better angle. But that opportunity to view should be seen as if the official was sat behind the camera, I.e. in real time without any ‘embellishments’ to the picture such as freeze frames or lines on the pitch. This would allow officials to pick up the obvious errors or things that they’ve missed but wouldn’t allow the forensic analysis that currently allows them to offsides that aren’t apparent to the naked eye. Of course officials might still get things wrong and the tv companies would still do the forensic analysis that shows the VAR official made a mistake. But for me it would provide a better system where the clear and obvious stuff was picked up but we wouldn’t get players offside by a toe.

[Ashingtonclaret46]

FIFA/UEFA/IFAB and the World's FAs continue their search for the 'perfect' gane of football, meanwhile, those playing it, officiating it, paying to watch it are having to suffer whilst this futility continues.
How the hell has the game continued for so long without the search for perfection? Answers on a postage stamp to the aforementioned organisations.

[martin_p]

FIFA/UEFA/IFAB and the World's FAs continue their search for the 'perfect' gane of football, meanwhile, those playing it, officiating it, paying to watch it are having to suffer whilst this futility continues.
How the hell has the game continued for so long without the search for perfection? Answers on a postage stamp to the aforementioned organisations.

Basically it survived until every top flight game was covered by about a dozen cameras. That gave the tv companies the ability to point out every mistake an official made and raised the question as the why the officials couldn’t use the tv cameras to reduce mistakes. Unfortunately the implementation of this quite reasonable idea has been terrible!

[Sproggy]

So define how many inches clear and obvious is then because surely once you’ve seen a freeze frame showing a toe an inch ahead of the defender it’s clear and obvious.

Only if you know the precise moment that the ball was played, which given current frame rates you probably don’t. It’s pretending that there’s absolute precision when there isn’t.

[martin_p]

Only if you know the precise moment that the ball was played, which given current frame rates you probably don’t. It’s pretending that there’s absolute precision when there isn’t.

The VAR system they use in the Euros have evolved beyond dependence on frame rates.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/51769 ... xplained/#

[Rileybobs]

Only if you know the precise moment that the ball was played, which given current frame rates you probably don’t. It’s pretending that there’s absolute precision when there isn’t.

There will never be absolute precision. Is this a reason to not use goal line technology?

[ecc]

What IFAB need to decide is how they want the tools VAR offers to help their officials referee games better. The problem as I see it is that rather than using VAR as as many extra pairs of eyes as there are tv cameras in the ground they’ve chosen to use it as a superpower. The problem that referees had was that they’re only human so often missed things or were in the wrong position to make a correct decision. So what VAR should offer is an opportunity to look at something again from a better angle. But that opportunity to view should be seen as if the official was sat behind the camera, I.e. in real time without any ‘embellishments’ to the picture such as freeze frames or lines on the pitch. This would allow officials to pick up the obvious errors or things that they’ve missed but wouldn’t allow the forensic analysis that currently allows them to offsides that aren’t apparent to the naked eye. Of course officials might still get things wrong and the tv companies would still do the forensic analysis that shows the VAR official made a mistake. But for me it would provide a better system where the clear and obvious stuff was picked up but we wouldn’t get players offside by a toe.

Totally agree with your post, martin_p. It should be used as a tool to help the referee and the referee only (or possibly with a lino).

[South West Claret.]

England v Slovakia. Mainoo given a go this time.

England will win this one surely won’t they

[Winstonswhite]

Best defensive record in the comp- of course we’ll win this .

[South West Claret.]

I hadn’t realised how small a country Slovakia are, just over two million.

[LeadBelly]

England v Slovakia. Mainoo given a go this time.

England will win this one surely won’t they

'Not unless they play the ball faster, play more adventurously. It'll likely be extra time and pens otherwise.

[kentonclaret]

I hadn’t realised how small a country Slovakia are, just over two million.

And priced at 500/1 at the start of the tournament by Paddy Power, William Hill amongst others.

[Stonehouse]

Slovakia 5.6 mill population.

[Elizabeth]

The surprise for me would be England playing well

[expoultryboy]

There'll be a lot of high balls into our area , just hope we can deal with it . Come on England

[Greekclaret]

Guehi to miss next match (if we get through)

[Murger]

Guehi to miss next match (if we get through)

Came from us passing it backwards (for a change).

[ElectroClaret]

Cut us open down the left there.

[expoultryboy]

This refs loves a red card

[Tricky Trevor]

England need a couple of quick goals whilst we still have X1 on the field.
Not looking like it so far.

[wilks_bfc]

Not even 10min in and already 2 bookings for us and 3 “decent” chances for Slovakia

[ElectroClaret]

Trips wtf.

[beddie]

England v Slovakia. Mainoo given a go this time.

England will win this one surely won’t they

When Southgate starts picking the right team yes. Start with Gordon and Palmer and really go at them, that way they’ll have to defend in numbers. Far too cautious is Southgate.

[Murger]

Look all over the shop defensively.

[ElectroClaret]

Already showing signs of being the customary dull,
dreary rubbish.

[Murger]

This referee is a wrong ‘un.

[expoultryboy]

Get Bellingham off before he's sent off

[boatshed bill]

This is getting ridiculous

[Rick_Muller]

This referee is a wrong ‘un.

Terrible so far. Clearly wants to be the star of the game

[RVclaret]

4 bookings inside 16 minutes. Not sure I’ve seen that for a long time. Pathetic from the ref.

[Rick_Muller]

4 bookings inside 16 minutes. Not sure I’ve seen that for a long time. Pathetic from the ref.

None of them were worthy of being a card either. Heaven forbid someone actually fouls someone - it’ll have to be a red

[Conroysleftfoot]

Hope we've been practicing penalties.

[Woodleyclaret]

Wrong team again!

[exilecanada]

4 bookings inside 16 minutes. Not sure I’ve seen that for a long time. Pathetic from the ref.

At this rate it'll end up with 2 goalies on the field

[ClaretTony]

4 bookings inside 16 minutes. Not sure I’ve seen that for a long time. Pathetic from the ref.

Huge concern for this game. If he carries on at this rate it won’t be long before we see a red.

[Tricky Trevor]

Get Walker off NOW. He’s having a ‘mare defensively and he won’t feed Saka.

[HahaYeah]

"Can they inject a bit of pace into the attack.."

Nope.

[Dressinggown]

F*CK.

[Murger]

Pathetic. At least we might have to actually attack now.

[BobSykes]

Lol

Bye Gareth and good riddance