Trouble at Everton home game

[BurnleyFC]

Not sure if there’s already a thread and I don’t know the man personally, but this seems incredibly harsh.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... ily-stand/

[ClaretInLeeds]

In no way, shape or form did the stewards ever have a handle on that situation.

[Andreshotboots]

Just another highlight of our broken, pathetic justice system. Have a cannabis grow in your attic, that's just a warning, push somebody at a football match and you're in court..

[wilks_bfc]

“It is a sad indictment of the game that if rival supporters are placed in the home stands there is the risk of disorder,” said District Judge Preston.

Hopefully the club will take note of this statement from the Judge

[South West Claret.]

In no way, shape or form did the stewards ever have a handle on that situation.

Unfortunately stewards are a cheap option to employing the police.

[ClaretInLeeds]

Unfortunately stewards are a cheap option to employing the police.

I wouldn’t get involved for the money they get - the club are wholly at fault for the whole episode, yet a Burnley fan gets banned.

How many Everton fans who were originally the aggressors have been banned?

[BurnleyFC]

I wouldn’t get involved for the money they get - the club are wholly at fault for the whole episode, yet a Burnley fan gets banned.

How many Everton fans who were originally the aggressors have been banned?

I was wondering if the insinuation that the stewards had the situation under control had come from the club in order to save themselves.

[jrgbfc]

Absolute joke. No doubt the Scousers got off scot free and will be welcome to buy tickets in the home end again if we get promoted.

[NewClaret]

That is an absolute disgrace. What an awful and heavy handed way to treat a ST holder of 25 years.

Probably four loyal fans lost there due to an issue of the clubs own making.

If the club can’t keep Everton fans out of the home ends, or eject them swiftly when they creep in, they certainly shouldn’t be prosecuting fans when trouble breaks out like this. Awful way to treat fans.

Feel for this guy.

[NewClaret]

I wouldn’t get involved for the money they get - the club are wholly at fault for the whole episode, yet a Burnley fan gets banned.

How many Everton fans who were originally the aggressors have been banned?

Totally agree that the club are wholly at fault here.

[jrgbfc]

Same as when the Hannover lads kicked off in the cricket field and a few Burnley fans got banned for basically standing there ground.

[Belial]

Makes this even worse to note it's a judge and not a magistrate that made that decision. What a joke.

[bfcjg]

Shocking punishment, pathetic decision from the club they ought to apologise to the supporter and pay his fine with the grubby money they made from the Everton fans.

[ClaretLoup]

An injustice & furthermore a totally scandalous waste of public money.

The club should at least pay the bloke’s fine as it was entirely their fault in the first place.

[AGENT_CLARET]

An injustice & furthermore a totally scandalous waste of public money.

The club should at least pay the bloke’s fine as it was entirely their fault in the first place.

Wrong and right

Club at fault for Everton fan's being in the home ends, but not at fault for the guy's actions, he took the law into his own hands, saying that the punishment is way way way over the top

[Goody1975]

He could be anyone of us, there are many on here who put in this position, especially with their wife and kids in tow would do similar. The club put them at risk, not him.

The whole situation is tinpot, the mentality smacks of a lower league club who draw a Premier League side in the cup and can't cope with ticket distribution.

A real sorry affair and an embarrassing episode for the club.

[GetIntoEm]

Really disappointing that it's come to this.

100% if this would happen near most people's kids and families they would protect them.

[bfccrazy]

Couple of mates were in hospitality at Ewood when we won the league there and had similar thing happen after we scored.

They had to get out through the concourse and one of them ended up with about 10 blokes stamping on him and kicking him..... Police said nothing would come of it if it went to court....... Then you get this for pushing a couple of blokes coming towards you and telling stewards to do their job.

Madness

[NewClaret]

He could be anyone of us, there are many on here who put in this position, especially with their wife and kids in tow would do similar. The club put them at risk, not him.

The whole situation is tinpot, the mentality smacks of a lower league club who draw a Premier League side in the cup and can't cope with ticket distribution.

A real sorry affair and an embarrassing episode for the club.

Completely agree.

The club should be hanging their heads in shame treating a 25 year season ticket holder this way because of their own ineptitude.

I haven’t say I often think the whole way the match day operations from ticketing to this type of thing are completely league one, nowhere near premier league standards, from ticketing to turnstiles… things like treating a season ticket holder of 25 years for a situation that they caused just top it off.

[ClaretTony]

A friend of mine was in that area when it kicked off although they weren’t involved other than trying to escape. He wrote to the club and the response he received was nothing short of shameful.

[Walt]

I was sat near to this and the Everton fans were aggressive and well out of order. A good number of Burnley fans stepped in mainly to protect everyone around them.

I didnt see any unnecessary violence from a Burnley fan, not to say it didn't happen. The fact this guy, seemingly protecting his family has been punished yet the instigators haven't is a disgrace.

What I did see when an Everton fan was being escorted down the stairs was he was kicking anyone and anything in his path. That was unprovoked assault in my view, where's his punishment.

Sad state of affairs this happened at all really. One from the cash hungry owners and secondly that people can't just behave.

[daveisaclaret]

Felt at the time like the club made a very clear decision that they were happy to have away fans in home areas and they'd be just as happy to blame any consequences on home fans. Clearly the case now.

[lakedistrictclaret]

Whilst the club's handling of the situation, in allowing Everton fans into the Family area, was inept, and whilst it is grossly unfair that this fan was the only one prosecuted, I should point out that it is the Court that issued the banning order, not the club.

[BurnleyFC]

A friend of mine was in that area when it kicked off although they weren’t involved other than trying to escape. He wrote to the club and the response he received was nothing short of shameful.

Disgusting and goes completely against the holy ethos that our owners like to purvey.

As I said earlier, if the club has insinuated that the stewards had the situation under control when they clearly didn’t, and this is the fan’s punishment as a result, they should hang their heads in shame and even further heads should roll as a result.

What a disgrace when it was the club’s actions that put this fan in that predicament in the first place.

[ClaretTony]

Disgusting and goes completely against the holy ethos that our owners like to purvey.

As I said earlier, if the club has insinuated that the stewards had the situation under control when they clearly didn’t, and this is the fan’s punishment as a result, they should hang their heads in shame and even further heads should roll as a result.

What a disgrace when it was the club’s actions that put this fan in that predicament in the first place.

It was a sort of if you don’t like it, don’t come again kind of response.

[daveisaclaret]

Whilst the club's handling of the situation, in allowing Everton fans into the Family area, was inept, and whilst it is grossly unfair that this fan was the only one prosecuted, I should point out that it is the Court that issued the banning order, not the club.

The banning order itself is not from the club, but they made it very clear they were happy to put fans in his position and will do so again in future.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The club have never really tried to stop away fans from buying tickets in the home end

I’ve seen fans from various clubs in there over the years

Sadly this time it escalated and a Burnley fan has been punished for it

[Leisure]

Surely this incident was in the James Hargreaves Upper, not the Family stand ie the Jimmy Mc? Also, my understanding was that individual tickets weren't sold to Everton fans but they were in hospitality in the Jimmy Mc and they were placed in a block of seats allocated to them by the Club.

[ClaretTony]

Surely this incident was in the James Hargreaves Upper, not the Family stand ie the Jimmy Mc? Also, my understanding was that individual tickets weren't sold to Everton fans but they were in hospitality in the Jimmy Mc and they were placed in a block of seats allocated to them by the Club.

I think your understanding is spot on Leisure. They were putting the overflow into the Longside upper. Haven’t they moved season ticket holders out of their seats now to accommodate them in the Jimmy Mac lower?

[Leisure]

I think your understanding is spot on Leisure. They were putting the overflow into the Longside upper. Haven’t they moved season ticket holders out of their seats now to accommodate them in the Jimmy Mac lower?

Yes, that's what I understand.

[beddie]

I’m sorry but the Club are to blame for this, it’s appalling allowing them (Everton) to be seated in the JHU. I hope the gentleman that received the banning order takes it up with the club and its owners. I know the order was not made by the club but the Court, however, as a result of BFC’s action it’s caused this gentleman distress. He needs a good lawyer.

[Jamesy]

There will be no compassion or sympathy towards this man’s plight from Pace and Co. Supporter engagement doesn’t figure high on their priority list, sadly.

[Jakubclaret]

Shambles.

[Inchy]

What a joke

If you are the type of bloke who is looking for trouble you don’t sit in the family stand for 20 years. It’s clear that this bloke was protecting himself and family. I didn’t see the incident so can’t comment on how the stewards were dealing with it but from experience I doubt they were dealing with it appropriately. The fact this bloke was moving towards the Burnley fan is clearly a threat. I’d be getting better legal advise to appeal it, although the bloke might well have given up caring about the club after this ordeal

[CoolClaret]

Disgraceful and shameful decision from the Club that led to this. It was pretty obvious what would happen if they continued with this disastrous ticketing policy.

The board don't give a b0llocks about anything other than lining their pockets.

[Les Lawrence]

No doubt the police officer in charge,will be delighted,I've heard he gets a pie every time someone gets banned.

[jdrobbo]

If BFCSG still had that all important voice for the supporters, I absolutely know that this is something they would have gone to the club on, sought clarity and communicated to try and ensure that no home fans ever be put in this situation again.

I actively encourage those members of the FAB, on behalf of some supporters, to ADVISE on this matter, ensure that future issues are much better handled and that supporters are informed by you on how to respond in such an awful scenario, should it happen in the home end in future. That’s not unreasonable, is it?

[FCBurnley]

Well I’m sure he got a fair hearing in Blackburn Magistrates Court !!! I wonder where the Judge watches his football ? Be very interesting to find out

[wilks_bfc]

I thought all the issues happened in the JH Upper, which isn’t the family stand

I sit in the JMU and don’t recall seeing anything happen in that stand at that game

[ClaretTony]

I thought all the issues happened in the JH Upper, which isn’t the family stand

I sit in the JMU and don’t recall seeing anything happen in that stand at that game

It was in the Longside upper

[CoolClaret]

Worth mentioning again - this happened because the club chose to reserve a section of the longside upper to overbook hospitality and seat them there. This is taking season tickets/walk-ons from the average fan whilst also advertising these seats with third-party vendors (Seat Unique).

It was entirely created by the club's greed and naivety. They've shirked all responsibility for this, and after the investigation came to a close, they basically said, 'sorry not sorry, if you don't like it don't come'.

Then they even had the cheek to complain about the atmosphere!

[TomtheClaret]

Is there any CCTV made public for this? If a go fundme page was set up I would contribute towards his fine.

[pushpinpussy]

Well I’m sure he got a fair hearing in Blackburn Magistrates Court !!! I wonder where the Judge watches his football ? Be very interesting to find out

The Judge is female and she is a very fair in my opinion.

[Steve1956]

The Judge is female and she is a very fair in my opinion.

[pushpinpussy]

I'm not sure if this guy had legal advice but he could have contested this application. I don't know the facts, but It looks like he has accepted it.

[wilks_bfc]

It was in the Longside upper

That’s what I thought

So not the a season ticket holder in the “family stand” as stated in the article

[Dark Cloud]

Seems ridiculously harsh when it appears that all parties accept the guy didn't start any trouble, didn't rush to join in the trouble and simply pushed back when someone pushed into him. The club were hopelessly at fault over this incident and should be ashamed they allowed the situation to ever develop. It might be a sad inditement of society in general and in particular some football fans, but clubs are told they have to have segregation for a reason!! If they're simply going to ignore that directive it leads to chaos. I'd be very interested in the club's explanation.

[Leisure]

Seems ridiculously harsh when it appears that all parties accept the guy didn't start any trouble, didn't rush to join in the trouble and simply pushed back when someone pushed into him. The club were hopelessly at fault over this incident and should be ashamed they allowed the situation to ever develop. It might be a sad inditement of society in general and in particular some football fans, but clubs are told they have to have segregation for a reason!! If they're simply going to ignore that directive it leads to chaos. I'd be very interested in the club's explanation.

I wouldn't hold your breath!

[Burnley Ace]

Banning Orders are automatically given as part of the sentence “The court must make a football banning order where an offender has been convicted of a relevant offence, unless the court considers that there are particular circumstances relating to the offence or to the offender which would make it unjust in all the circumstances to do so.(Football Spectators Act 1989, s.14A). Where the court does not make a banning order it must state in open court the reasons for not doing so.

Seems a bit unjust.

[pushpinpussy]

Banning Orders are automatically given as part of the sentence “The court must make a football banning order where an offender has been convicted of a relevant offence, unless the court considers that there are particular circumstances relating to the offence or to the offender which would make it unjust in all the circumstances to do so.(Football Spectators Act 1989, s.14A). Where the court does not make a banning order it must state in open court the reasons for not doing so.

Seems a bit unjust.

You are all getting confused. If the defendant doesn't oppose it, the order will get made. He must not of opposed it.