Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Vitinho mk II

[LongsideClaret]

All keepers being sold.
Charlie gone. Esteve not coming.
New man at right back. Hole at left. Centre backs? Anything could happen.

Midfield likely to suffer too.

Yanks raking it in and new man gets what's left?

Why would Esteve not be coming?

We’ve currently got 3 right backs, and any number of centre halves.5 of which would be good enough to start in a side aiming for the top 2 in this league.

[burnmark]

All keepers being sold.
Charlie gone. Esteve not coming.
New man at right back. Hole at left. Centre backs? Anything could happen.

Midfield likely to suffer too.

Yanks raking it in and new man gets what's left?

Esteve is here.

[Vegas Claret]

Kelleher wants regular first team football and we would be a good fit
Perhaps a loan to buy deal with Liverpool

they want 25 million for him so you can forget that

[IanMcL]

Esteve is here.

You are right. Mixed up my January men and made an Assignon of myself!

[claretskeith]

All keepers being sold.
Charlie gone. Esteve not coming.
New man at right back. Hole at left. Centre backs? Anything could happen.

Midfield likely to suffer too.

Yanks raking it in and new man gets what's left?

Aye.

[Grimsdale]

Alluded to this earlier in the thread but if we do get rid of all our keepers, it leaves us with just 8 eligible home grown players in the squad, namely Roberts, O’Shea, Cullen, Brownhill, Redmond, Twine, Obafemi and Rodriguez. The EFL requirement is for a minimum of 8 over 21.

Given that Twine and Roberts have been linked with moves away (and we may decide to cash in on Brownhill if we get a decent enough offer), we may need to be looking at the more inflated local market for any incomings.

[Woonderbah]

Could he be coming with his manager ?

Interesting we were linked with Rydstrom last week and now rumoured to be signing his left back.. could it be happening ?

[Newcastleclaret93]

Alluded to this earlier in the thread but if we do get rid of all our keepers, it leaves us with just 8 eligible home grown players in the squad, namely Roberts, O’Shea, Cullen, Brownhill, Redmond, Twine, Obafemi and Rodriguez. The EFL requirement is for a minimum of 8 over 21.

Given that Twine and Roberts have been linked with moves away (and we may decide to cash in on Brownhill if we get a decent enough offer), we may need to be looking at the more inflated local market for any incomings.

Think you have missed a few.

Egan Riley, McNally, Dodgson, Massengo, Costelloe all home grown

[randomclaret2]

Celtic interested in Dara OShea according to the Daily Record

[burnmark]

Daily Record - Celtic interested in O’Shea.

[TsarBomba]

Absolutely no chance Celtic can afford O’Shea.

[claretskeith]

I'd be surprised. He's too good and too young for Scotland.

[Guller Bull]

O Shea - Celtic link

https://www.celticway.co.uk/news/244239 ... ara-oshea/

[Hedontplayforyou]

I don’t pay much attention to Celtic and Rangers but do Celtic really pay out figures that we’d be looking for regarding someone like Dara?

Last season albeit a shaky start from him and an awful campaign for the side , will have doubled his price tag as an absolute minimum.

[NewClaret]

I don’t pay much attention to Celtic and Rangers but do Celtic really pay out figures that we’d be looking for regarding someone like Dara?

Last season albeit a shaky start from him and an awful campaign for the side , will have doubled his price tag as an absolute minimum.

No they don’t. I think their top signing is £13m and we’ll be looking for a lot more than that. Dara is also way too good for Scottish football. Hope we keep him.

[Murger]

No they don’t. I think their top signing is £13m and we’ll be looking for a lot more than that. Dara is also way too good for Scottish football. Hope we keep him.

Champions league football is always the lure with Celtic. I could see Dara being tempted.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Tempted or not the fee would surely be out of celtics reach

[ArmchairDetective]

Chap on Twitter linking us with Malmo's Brazilian Left Back Gabriel Busanello

****. What do we do now?

We’ve already got a Brazilian with a name that fits the the song and this one fits as well

Bamboleo, Bamboleo.

[Newcastleclaret93]

No they don’t. I think their top signing is £13m and we’ll be looking for a lot more than that. Dara is also way too good for Scottish football. Hope we keep him.

I think there quite cash rich right now.

They bought Jota for 14m and sold him for 30m. Plus the sales of Abada and Starfelt they are probably sitting on 40m to spend this window.

[randomclaret2]

Don't underestimate the lure of Celtic for the Irish lads.

[NewClaret]

Champions league football is always the lure with Celtic. I could see Dara being tempted.

Well they’d have to pay the fee first.

I think we all rate our players far too cheaply, most will say £15m is the starting price but I personally wouldn’t sell him for a penny less than £20m+.

€24m is what Wolves payed for Collins, who then went to Brentford for €27m and I wouldn’t swap the two. O’Shea is faster, better in the air in my view and scores goals - 3 goals & 4 assists to Collin’s 1&1 last year on the same number of games. A couple of years older which I accept goes against him but he’s still only 25. 5-6 years going straight in to his peak.

I wouldn’t be selling at all though. I think we should be saying our better players are not for sale at any price. If we want to become an get up again and stay up I think we need to take a tough/selfish position on it to some extent, but if we are going to be selling it we need to be getting top money.

And if we are selling I think Pace needs to be very clear he might not be able to pull the same promotion trick with new players off two years on the trot so he’s gambling the £200m he gets from promotion - in that context it makes no financial sense whatsoever to sell our best guys in my opinion.

[NewClaret]

I think there quite cash rich right now.

They bought Jota for 14m and sold him for 30m. Plus the sales of Abada and Starfelt they are probably sitting on 40m to spend this window.

Well if that’s the case and they’re willing to splash the cash that’s fine. Would be an error to sell him in my opinion though.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Well if that’s the case and they’re willing to splash the cash that’s fine. Would be an error to sell him in my opinion though.

I guess it depends who do you prioritise. I’m very much of the opinion that O’Shea is in the expendable pile.

If we lose O’Shea but get to keep Odobert, Koleosho and Berge then I think it’s business worth doing. O’Shea is a good player but Beyer and Esteve are more than good enough to get us promoted

[South West Claret.]

Out of most on Kompany’s signings I think Esteve was one of his better ones.

[NewClaret]

I guess it depends who do you prioritise. I’m very much of the opinion that O’Shea is in the expendable pile.

If we lose O’Shea but get to keep Odobert, Koleosho and Berge then I think it’s business worth doing. O’Shea is a good player but Beyer and Esteve are more than good enough to get us promoted

The risk with Beyer is his injury record. O’Shea seems made of solid stuff.

I agree Berge, Odobert and Koleosho are more important to keep, more because of our CH strength in depth.

But I think we should be looking to raise funds from the likes of Weghorst, Roberts, Delcroix, McNally, Twine (although on an individual level I think they’re all good players) and whilst I recognise you might only get the same for all of them vs Dara, when adding the Kompany money you’d hope it’s enough to keep the wolves from the door and keep your core group together.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The risk with Beyer is his injury record. O’Shea seems made of solid stuff.

I agree Berge, Odobert and Koleosho are more important to keep, more because of our CH strength in depth.

But I think we should be looking to raise funds from the likes of Weghorst, Roberts, Delcroix, McNally, Twine (although on an individual level I think they’re all good players) and whilst I recognise you might only get the same for all of them vs Dara, when adding the Kompany money you’d hope it’s enough to keep the wolves from the door and keep your core group together.

If I’m honest I suspect the plan is to sell the players you have listed and one for big money.

I imagine they will want to pay off some of the debt and have a bit of cash for a big signing or two for the new manager

[Hedontplayforyou]

Can anyone see Celtic offering £15-2
£20m for O’Shea ?

[Firthy]

All keepers being sold.
Charlie gone. Esteve not coming.
New man at right back. Hole at left. Centre backs? Anything could happen.

Midfield likely to suffer too.

Yanks raking it in and new man gets what's left?

I thought we'd signed Esteve on a permanent transfer? Are you thinking of Assignon?

[NewClaret]

If I’m honest I suspect the plan is to sell the players you have listed and one for big money.

I imagine they will want to pay off some of the debt and have a bit of cash for a big signing or two for the new manager

Yes, I think you might be right, in which case I’d hope the big sale was Trafford and we keep Muric and give him a decent rise to sign a new deal. Although I will say I think Twine & McNally might be worth a lot more in a few years time but we need the money now.

I agree about a new manager wanting his own players and we probably have to free up some money for that. That’s a benefit of going with Bellamy actually - I think he’d want less disruption.

For me, the biggest risk this summer is that our success in the league last time around breeds complacency. That we feel we can do it all again and promotion is nailed on. It’s not because we won’t have Kompany (the orchestrator of it all and a few of the pivotal players - Maatsen, Muric possibly, Cork & Barnes - albeit strengthened in other areas) and if Pace thinks it’ll be a cakewalk again I think he might get a shock.

Plus I think if we really want to get to pl standard we need to stop the high turnover and get some stability in a core XI. So I hope you’re right, basically.

[randomclaret2]

I’ve been told to expect an entirely new goalkeeping department for this season with all 4 recognised senior keepers set to leave.

Vigouroux being linked with a return to Leyton Orient

[123EasyasBFC]

If I’m honest I suspect the plan is to sell the players you have listed and one for big money.

I imagine they will want to pay off some of the debt and have a bit of cash for a big signing or two for the new manager

My thought is, if we a big number of players for big money and appoint someone like Bellamy (who would be a relatively cheap appointment) that we aren’t putting all our eggs on going back up first time of asking

[IanMcL]

Is there anybody left?

Ah Benson. He is not allowed to leave!

[randomclaret2]

Is there anybody left?

Ah Benson. He is not allowed to leave!

We're down to our last 35 in the First Team squad plus 20 odd in the U21s

[IanMcL]

We're down to our last 35 in the First Team squad plus 20 odd in the U21s

Yes with a huge clearout/money raiser/debt paying spree in motion.

[fatboy47]

Yes with a huge clearout/money raiser/debt paying spree in motion.

In your head Ian.

If anything it's pretty amazing that we've yet to see anything remotely resembling a fire sale this summer...Trafford would have been long gone had that been the case.

[jlup1980]

If Celtic offer £15m for Dara he'll be gone. Doubling our money on a CB in 12 months would be a great piece of business. I rate Dara, and I think he's a leader, but we'd still have Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, AAD, Delcroix, and McNally on the books so it's hardly like we're short on CB's! The first four on that list would be an embarrassment of riches in the Championship.

[NewClaret]

Vigouroux being linked with a return to Leyton Orient

Just do not understand this at all. Decent keeper:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0Tcw3eh8s

Nothing you wouldn’t expect from a saves perspective but good distribution. Not sure we’ll find a much better number 2/3 and if we did surely they’re going to cost a few £m. LO aren’t going to be paying us much for him, so I just don’t see the

Some will say he might want to move on for 1st team football but he signed for us knowing he wouldn’t be first choice and having let BPF go for the same reason we presumably have to draw the line and look after our best interests at some point?

[NewClaret]

If Celtic offer £15m for Dara he'll be gone. Doubling our money on a CB in 12 months would be a great piece of business. I rate Dara, and I think he's a leader, but we'd still have Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, AAD, Delcroix, and McNally on the books so it's hardly like we're short on CB's! The first four on that list would be an embarrassment of riches in the Championship.

I agree we have an embarrassment of riches at CB, but I don’t know any other club that’d sell a player like O’Shea for £15m. We sold Keane to Everton for £25m 7 years ago (bit younger but not much) and the inflation since then is crazy. We can all argue about the relative abilities of Keane/Dara and ceilings but ultimately Dara is very quick, good in the air and scores/assists.

I agree that doubling you money in 12 months is good business either way but I’ll be very disappointed if £15m is the extent of our ambitions.

[agreenwood]

If Celtic offer £15m for Dara he'll be gone. Doubling our money on a CB in 12 months would be a great piece of business. I rate Dara, and I think he's a leader, but we'd still have Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, AAD, Delcroix, and McNally on the books so it's hardly like we're short on CB's! The first four on that list would be an embarrassment of riches in the Championship.

There is no world where Celtic offer £15m for O’Shea. They’ve only ever paid anything like that for a player once in their entire history.

Just look at their record transfers and how long ago some of them were:

[KefkaClaret]

I will need a few days off work if Muric leaves. A period of mourning.

[NewClaret]

I will need a few days off work if Muric leaves. A period of mourning.

Hopefully there will be a couple of public holidays announced for Burnley fans.

[Vegas Claret]

Celtic had a really poor CL campaign, if they want O'Shea they can pay whatever his market value is + the CL tax

[Murger]

Just do not understand this at all. Decent keeper:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0Tcw3eh8s

Nothing you wouldn’t expect from a saves perspective but good distribution. Not sure we’ll find a much better number 2/3 and if we did surely they’re going to cost a few £m. LO aren’t going to be paying us much for him, so I just don’t see the

Some will say he might want to move on for 1st team football but he signed for us knowing he wouldn’t be first choice and having let BPF go for the same reason we presumably have to draw the line and look after our best interests at some point?

He signed to be 3rd choice in the Prem. I’m guessing being 2nd or 3rd choice in the championship doesn’t really work.

[chekhov]

There is no world where Celtic offer £15m for O’Shea. They’ve only ever paid anything like that for a player once in their entire history.

Just look at their record transfers and how long ago some of them were:

Rafael Scheidt? Wonder if he was any good…

[123EasyasBFC]

Just do not understand this at all. Decent keeper:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0Tcw3eh8s

Nothing you wouldn’t expect from a saves perspective but good distribution. Not sure we’ll find a much better number 2/3 and if we did surely they’re going to cost a few £m. LO aren’t going to be paying us much for him, so I just don’t see the

Some will say he might want to move on for 1st team football but he signed for us knowing he wouldn’t be first choice and having let BPF go for the same reason we presumably have to draw the line and look after our best interests at some point?

He jumped from league 2 wages to prem wages so 12 months of that, those wages probably slashed by 50% he’s probs thinking he would rather go and play now rather than not being in the match day squad, fair play to him for that

[NewClaret]

He jumped from league 2 wages to prem wages so 12 months of that, those wages probably slashed by 50% he’s probs thinking he would rather go and play now rather than not being in the match day squad, fair play to him for that

Accept that and Murger was making the same point, so in reply to both, my questions would be:

Did he not know there was a chance of that when he signed?

Can we replace him with similar quality for the fee we’ll receive from LO? My guess is not.

Is it in the clubs best interest for him to leave if not?

What does it say to other players if everyone who has changed their mind now circumstances have changed is allowed to leave?

Contracts are a two way street. If the player got injured say, we couldn’t say we’d changed our mind about the agreement we’d signed. So my point is more that with BPF gone and big doubts over Muric and Traffords futures, this doesn’t feel in our best interests.

[123EasyasBFC]

Accept that and Murger was making the same point, so in reply to both, my questions would be:

Did he not know there was a chance of that when he signed?

Can we replace him with similar quality for the fee we’ll receive from LO? My guess is not.

Is it in the clubs best interest for him to leave if not?

What does it say to other players if everyone who has changed their mind now circumstances have changed is allowed to leave?

Contracts are a two way street. If the player got injured say, we couldn’t say we’d changed our mind about the agreement we’d signed. So my point is more that with BPF gone and big doubts over Muric and Traffords futures, this doesn’t feel in our best interests.

Suppose that’s football now isn’t it, players seem to have all the power. He left orient knowing coming to us would probably triple his wages and can now turn around after a poor season and say actually I would like to leave now because I want to play

[FCBurnley]

Muric wanted by a number of PL teams according to BBC and will be leaving this summer

[ClaretAL]

Muric wanted by a number of PL teams according to BBC and will be leaving this summer

No surprise that he has been earmarked. Looking at the great squad contract status information on here (cheers CT) they will need to pay for the privilege as he is contracted to 2026, unless their is a very low clause in the contract