Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Ilkley claret]

Apologies if missed it but weren’t we negotiating to make Brun Larsen deal permanent? He said he loved it here didn’t he?

[bumba]

A fit Jayrod with decent service will get 20+ goals next season

A fit Jay Rod won't hit 20 games let alone 20 goals

[blatherwickstattoos]

Apologies if missed it but weren’t we negotiating to make Brun Larsen deal permanent? He said he loved it here didn’t he?

He’ll probably be on holiday after being involved in the euros. If anything happens will be next week or 2. Can’t see us getting him tbh

[NewClaret]

Apologies if missed it but weren’t we negotiating to make Brun Larsen deal permanent? He said he loved it here didn’t he?

Fulham were apparently in for him so looking a lot less likely I’d have thought.

I’d have liked to sign him, think he’d be brilliant in the Championship, but also think we’re well stocked with wingers.

[ervi34]

Leicester interested in O'Hare

So Trafford 25-30 million
Oderbert 20 million
Amdouni - 15-20 million
Berger -20 million
We will make some decent money if we were to try and balance the books

I’d be more tempted to sell them the fringe players like twine, Bastien, obafemi etc and keep our assists but can’t see us doing it.

Think we will have a busy few weeks ahead

Surely at least 1 CB moves as well? We have 5 players who can comfortably start there in the Championship and we can probably get 10 for O'Shea, 15 for Beyer/Esteve.

[Hedontplayforyou]

We paid £7m for O’Shea I’d be wanting more than £10m for him

[NL Claret]

Leicester interested in O'Hare


Surely at least 1 CB moves as well? We have 5 players who can comfortably start there in the Championship and we can probably get 10 for O'Shea, 15 for Beyer/Esteve.

O Shea plays almost a full season = £10m
Beyer played 15 games, injury prone and looked out his depth, got booked almost every other game =£15m

[NewClaret]

Leicester interested in O'Hare


Surely at least 1 CB moves as well? We have 5 players who can comfortably start there in the Championship and we can probably get 10 for O'Shea, 15 for Beyer/Esteve.

£10m for O’Shea? I’d be wanting £20m at least. Don’t see that Collins, who we sold for £22m or something, is any better.

I’d prefer we move on Delcroix and McNally and keep both though.

[claretspice]

Who is going to be our version of Lewis Cook and Jefferson Lerma?
Parker plays a very disciplined and structured 433 or 4231.
Despite him favoring possession like Kompany he is very low risk by comparison.

I expect tighter games like the Dyche era and us struggling to break dogged teams down.
Players who were previously given so much freedom will have to learn how to fulfill structured roles.
We can expect Rodriguez to play the Solanke/Mitrovic role I guess.

No idea where some players will fit in. Makes it exciting at least!

One of the things that I suspect may have encouraged our interest in Parker is that he's got promoted twice when inheriting squads without entirely revamping the playing squad. Particularly at Bournemouth, where there was a well established core, he worked with it and largely introduced young players, plus a sprinkling of experience to compliment that core.

Given that I'm not sure its right to assume we'll be forcing our players into any equivalent system used as Bournemouth. However, he does have Cullen who is very similar to Cook (and Harrison Reed who he signed at Fulham). He also has Brownhill and Berge who I'd argue are better than Lerna in that more box to box role, albeit both might yet leave. Further forwards he inherits a lot of clever technicians and I'd expect Parker to work with them rather than forcing them to replicate patterns used by Parker at previous clubs. It's entirely possible it will also drive him towards a more aggressively attacking team. He's not had the sort of pace at centre half this squad has at any previous club.

[Hipper]

You need to remember that we have 46 league games plus a possible additional 13 if we do well in the cups. We will need a strong squad to cover all that.

[warksclaret]

You need to remember that we have 46 league games plus a possible additional 13 if we do well in the cups. We will need a strong squad to cover all that.

We will need 4 CB's-for me McNally, Delcroix, Egan Riley can go, leaving OShea, Beyer, Esteve and Al Dakhill. We would be mugs to let O Shea go unless we get close to £20m, as he improved during last season, and with a season in the Championship could become a very good defender. Its more likely we will have strong interest in Esteve from PL clubs. If we are serious about promotion he needs to be retained unless we get offered absolutely top money

[Taffy on the wing]

https://the72.co.uk/2024/07/07/burnley- ... astle-bid/

Chelsea and Newcastle - £30m now being touted.Things looking up.

The article states Trafford's "confidence with the ball at his feet" is what makes him such a hot commodity.
They're talking about a different goalkeeper to the one we saw.

[ayrshireclaret83]

We will need 4 CB's-for me McNally, Delcroix, Egan Riley can go, leaving OShea, Beyer, Esteve and Al Dakhill. We would be mugs to let O Shea go unless we get close to £20m, as he improved during last season, and with a season in the Championship could become a very good defender. Its more likely we will have strong interest in Esteve from PL clubs. If we are serious about promotion he needs to be retained unless we get offered absolutely top money

Ekdal?

[Rick_Muller]

The article states Trafford's "confidence with the ball at his feet" is what makes him such a hot commodity.
They're talking about a different goalkeeper to the one we saw.

Sssssshussshhhhh

[RicardoMontalban]

The article states Trafford's "confidence with the ball at his feet" is what makes him such a hot commodity.
They're talking about a different goalkeeper to the one we saw.

By 21 year old keeper standards Trafford is pretty decent with his feet.

We’re just comparing him with Muric who is a different level in that respect.

[Carlos the Great]

Are Newcastle still pursuing Trafford or is that deal dead now they have just signed 1 or 2 keepers

[warksclaret]

Ekdal?

Well spotted-we have so many I forgot about him-but would keep him and get Al Dakhill out on loan or sold

[bobinho]

A fit Jayrod with decent service will get 20+ goals next season

I hope you’re right, but the smart moneys elsewhere I’m afraid….

[Vegas Claret]

if we get anything close to 30 for Trafford that is exceptional business.

[claretspice]

Two players Parker might fancy who appear to be available: if we are looking fir a striker who can fit into Parker's system and offer a viable option up front, Kieffer Moore appears to be available. Secondly, if we need another central midfielder, particularly if we expect Berge to leave, Joe Rothwell may well be available.

Both Parker signings for Bournemouth and offer the sort of experience and Championship know how thr squad could use.

As for Trafford, he's very good with his feet by comparison to most keepers of his age, even if he isn't when compared to Muric. Although I think there were other factors in play there (Muric's return coincided with the return of Cullen and I think that was as significant in creating opportunities to play out by orchestrating movement higher up the pitch) and of course Muric made as many high profile errors as Trafford in considerably fewer matches. If his ability with his feet us a factor in interest in him, I don't think that should he a surprise.

[spt_claret]

Two players Parker might fancy who appear to be available: if we are looking fir a striker who can fit into Parker's system and offer a viable option up front, Kieffer Moore appears to be available. Secondly, if we need another central midfielder, particularly if we expect Berge to leave, Joe Rothwell may well be available.

Both Parker signings for Bournemouth.

As for Trafford, he's very good with his feet by comparison to most keepers of his age, even if he isn't when compared to Muric. Although I think there were other factors in play there (Muric's return coincided with the return of Cullen and I think that was as significant in creating opportunities to play out by orchestrating movement higher up the pitch) and of course Muric made as many high profile errors as Trafford in considerably fewer matches. If his ability with his feet us a factor in interest in him, I don't think that should he a surprise.

I believe we were linked with Moore during Dyche's final season/18 months, might have been January 2022 or summer 2021. Didn't excite me then, the prospect wouldn't now if only because he's 31 and realistically it'd be 1 season's worth out of him, I don't think he'd hack it in the PL at 32-33 if we go up. But we do need a striker.

The Muric errors are overblown, still averaged way ahead of Trafford on every metric. But for his age Trafford is very good with the ball at his feet, albeit much more of a slow steady passer rather than a line-breaker.
If we can sell him for 30m and Parker persuades Muric to stay that's the best all round outcome for everyone- Muric, Trafford and Burnley.

[warksclaret]

Two players Parker might fancy who appear to be available: if we are looking fir a striker who can fit into Parker's system and offer a viable option up front, Kieffer Moore appears to be available. Secondly, if we need another central midfielder, particularly if we expect Berge to leave, Joe Rothwell may well be available.

Both Parker signings for Bournemouth and offer the sort of experience and Championship know how thr squad could use.

As for Trafford, he's very good with his feet by comparison to most keepers of his age, even if he isn't when compared to Muric. Although I think there were other factors in play there (Muric's return coincided with the return of Cullen and I think that was as significant in creating opportunities to play out by orchestrating movement higher up the pitch) and of course Muric made as many high profile errors as Trafford in considerably fewer matches. If his ability with his feet us a factor in interest in him, I don't think that should he a surprise.

Parker will join us with knowledge and links to key Championship players. One of those Decordova Reid, the Fulham midfielder, has agreed to join Leicester on a free today

[123EasyasBFC]

Other than the left back from Brazil being announced, I can imagine it being really quiet on incomings until we start seeing players leave

[NewClaret]

Other than the left back from Brazil being announced, I can imagine it being really quiet on incomings until we start seeing players leave

Bar the left back position, which is a must, this window to me is all about keeping hold of our squad and raising the funds we need from the fringe/less important players - Trafford, Weghorst, Roberts, McNally, Delcroix, etc.

So for me I’m not expecting any incomings after the LB and will consider it 10/10 if we manage to keep hold of Muric, O’Shea, Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Cullen, Berge, Koleosho, Odobert, Foster, Amdouni.

Re-signing Guddy gives it a couple of points already.

[Quicknick]

I believe we were linked with Moore during Dyche's final season/18 months, might have been January 2022 or summer 2021. Didn't excite me then, the prospect wouldn't now if only because he's 31 and realistically it'd be 1 season's worth out of him, I don't think he'd hack it in the PL at 32-33 if we go up. But we do need a striker.

The Muric errors are overblown, still averaged way ahead of Trafford on every metric. But for his age Trafford is very good with the ball at his feet, albeit much more of a slow steady passer rather than a line-breaker.
If we can sell him for 30m and Parker persuades Muric to stay that's the best all round outcome for everyone- Muric, Trafford and Burnley.

Nothing 'overblown' about the Muric errors.

[Vegas Claret]

Bar the left back position, which is a must, this window to me is all about keeping hold of our squad and raising the funds we need from the fringe/less important players - Trafford, Weghorst, Roberts, McNally, Delcroix, etc.

So for me I’m not expecting any incomings after the LB and will consider it 10/10 if we manage to keep hold of Muric, O’Shea, Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, Cullen, Berge, Koleosho, Odobert, Foster, Amdouni.

Re-signing Guddy gives it a couple of points already.

Every chance Parker will want Roberts, very experienced in this league

[superdimitri]

One of the things that I suspect may have encouraged our interest in Parker is that he's got promoted twice when inheriting squads without entirely revamping the playing squad. Particularly at Bournemouth, where there was a well established core, he worked with it and largely introduced young players, plus a sprinkling of experience to compliment that core.

Given that I'm not sure its right to assume we'll be forcing our players into any equivalent system used as Bournemouth. However, he does have Cullen who is very similar to Cook (and Harrison Reed who he signed at Fulham). He also has Brownhill and Berge who I'd argue are better than Lerna in that more box to box role, albeit both might yet leave. Further forwards he inherits a lot of clever technicians and I'd expect Parker to work with them rather than forcing them to replicate patterns used by Parker at previous clubs. It's entirely possible it will also drive him towards a more aggressively attacking team. He's not had the sort of pace at centre half this squad has at any previous club.

I hope you're right and he has my backing as every Burnley manager.
I'm going on what read and seen from Fullham and Bournemouth fans. He really isn't known to be someone who invests in individualism, nor has he really adapted his teams to play differently aside from making them more defensive in the Premier League. I got the impression he is more about sticking to the same system which is more like Dyche than Kompany. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I hope he will approach us a bit differently from the past. He will especially want to do so if he gets us promoted as the last couple of attempts he was unsuccessful.

[Cooclaret]

James Trafford will be an exceptional keeper and England’s number one for years to come.

Likely he wants out after last years showing.

The kid (and arguably the back four) was thrown to the wolves with absolutely no defensive cover and no decent structures to build play up with.

No Kompany has gone, I expect JT to be a totally different keeper, if we can keep him.

[BigGaz]

So Trafford 25-30 million
Oderbert 20 million
Amdouni - 15-20 million
Berger -20 million
We will make some decent money if we were to try and balance the books

I’d be more tempted to sell them the fringe players like twine, Bastien, obafemi etc and keep our assists but can’t see us doing it.

Think we will have a busy few weeks ahead

Not this again.

No one is going to be leaving for 20 million upwards. None of our players have done anything worth justifying their initial outlay let alone a profit.

JBL, who turned out to be our most efficient and useful attacking option is available for a snip at about 5m.

Who is going to look at him, then the likes of the flaky Amdouni or the wildly inconsistent Odobert and say "I simply MUST have one of these lads at three times the cost".

Most of the lads I keep seeing being talked up for big moves we're objectively bad over the course of the season. Occasionally they showed us something, but it was fleeting.

It was a terrible season littered with poor form and poor performances from the players. No one is going to pay 20m for Sander Berge. Maybe if they turn up this season we will eventually see those figures, but having just been relegated as one of the worst sides the PL has ever seen, I don't think so for now.

[Dark Cloud]

Not this again.

No one is going to be leaving for 20 million upwards. None of our players have done anything worth justifying their initial outlay let alone a profit.

JBL, who turned out to be our most efficient and useful attacking option is available for a snip at about 5m.

Who is going to look at him, then the likes of the flaky Amdouni or the wildly inconsistent Odobert and say "I simply MUST have one of these lads at three times the cost".

Most of the lads I keep seeing being talked up for big moves we're objectively bad over the course of the season. Occasionally they showed us something, but it was fleeting.

It was a terrible season littered with poor form and poor performances from the players. No one is going to pay 20m for Sander Berge. Maybe if they turn up this season we will eventually see those figures, but having just been relegated as one of the worst sides the PL has ever seen, I don't think so for now.

This is very true.

[BigChaCha]

We'd be absolutely bonkers to let Oderbert go at this stage, even for 20 million!... He will be worth at least double that in a very short space of time!

[beddie]

Not a bad signing for VK. He looked a real talent this young man last season. ( sorry don’t know how to put a link on) Bayern Munich have signed winger Michael Olise from Crystal Palace for about 60m euros (£50m).”

[jedi_master]

Odobert would be a good replacement for Olise for Palace - we could probably get £25m for him. I think he has to be a certain sale really, along with Trafford. We have absolutely loads of quality out wide regardless and we do need to balance the books somewhat. If we could get somewhere near £45-50m for the pair of them you'd think that would probably be sufficient on that front...

[claretspice]

I hope you're right and he has my backing as every Burnley manager.
I'm going on what read and seen from Fullham and Bournemouth fans. He really isn't known to be someone who invests in individualism, nor has he really adapted his teams to play differently aside from making them more defensive in the Premier League. I got the impression he is more about sticking to the same system which is more like Dyche than Kompany. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but I hope he will approach us a bit differently from the past. He will especially want to do so if he gets us promoted as the last couple of attempts he was unsuccessful.

I don't think that is a fair characterisation of Parker to be honest. He may well be more cautious than Kompany - that wouldn't be hard - but at both clubs he's played a possession heavy style that has placed an emphasis on creating overloads and allowing technical superiority to flourish. The comparison between Parker and Dyche doesn't really hold (as we found in the summer of 2021 when we missed out on Ryan Christie because he was more enthused by Bournemouth's approach under Parker despite being a division higher at the time) and he's tended to be able to adapt to players he's inherited.

[BigGaz]

I give up

We are going to be looked at by clubs as someone they think they can pick over the corpse of.

They know about our accounts
They know about our bloated squad
They know about the PL sized hole in our income.

All that squared means no-one will offer us 25m for Odobert (in this window).

If Odobert, Muric and Berge move on this season, and the sum total is worth at least 50m (before add-ons) I will donate 50 quid to the clarets trust.

[Guller Bull]

Wout out to Roma.

https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/07/wol ... ch/651132/

[BigGaz]

That link relates to Wolves and Dan Bentley pal

[Guller Bull]

There’s a different one

https://the72.co.uk/2024/07/08/burnley- ... -interest/

[superdimitri]

I don't think that is a fair characterisation of Parker to be honest. He may well be more cautious than Kompany - that wouldn't be hard - but at both clubs he's played a possession heavy style that has placed an emphasis on creating overloads and allowing technical superiority to flourish. The comparison between Parker and Dyche doesn't really hold (as we found in the summer of 2021 when we missed out on Ryan Christie because he was more enthused by Bournemouth's approach under Parker despite being a division higher at the time) and he's tended to be able to adapt to players he's inherited.

My comparison between the two doesn't really have anything to do with the style of play. It's more to do with how he manages the players and his tactical trends.
He's very much a 'stick with what you know' manager and has been criticized as having no plan B.
I read the technical analysis of his Bournemouth side and creating overloads is definitely something we focused on with Kompany too but if you compare Parker's promotions you'll see much closer results then in our winning season under Kompany and a lot of that is down to his conservative mindset.

Bournemouth and Fullham fans have described his tenures the same way. Pedestrian possession based football with little bite. Often struggling to break teams down.

I'm just not sure how he's going to play so conservatively with a squad mostly designed at creating chances from every opportunity.

[claretspice]

My comparison between the two doesn't really have anything to do with the style of play. It's more to do with how he manages the players and his tactical trends.
He's very much a 'stick with what you know' manager and has been criticized as having no plan B.
I read the technical analysis of his Bournemouth side and creating overloads is definitely something we focused on with Kompany too but if you compare Parker's promotions you'll see much closer results then in our winning season under Kompany and a lot of that is down to his conservative mindset.

Bournemouth and Fullham fans have described his tenures the same way. Pedestrian possession based football with little bite. Often struggling to break teams down.

I'm just not sure how he's going to play so conservatively with a squad mostly designed at creating chances from every opportunity.

I think you'd also see an XG at Bournemouth which exceeded ours two years ago. And I'm always a bit wary of the line "he's got no plan B". Virtually all fans of all clubs make that allegation. It was true of Kompany.

We shall see what Parker does with this squad. My observation, however, was that he worked with what he had at Bournemouth in particular and at Fulham. That suggests a degree of adaptability. Better to wait and see what he does with a squad we all agree is unusually stacked with players suited to playing on the front foot than presume he'll repeat what he did with two quite different squads at Bournemouth and Fulham.

[Woodleyclaret]

Good managers adapt their squads to suit circumstances.Sean Dyche has turned some very average players into winners as he did with us.I believe Scott will do them same and not be in a rush to dump players before fully assessing them

[spt_claret]

Nothing 'overblown' about the Muric errors.

Yes there is.
Check any actual analytics on the two keepers' performance, even if you scale Muric's errors up to the same number of games and round up, it still projects about 6-7 fewer goals conceded than Trafford. Done this argument to death before, his errors were obvious but even inspite of them he offered far more as a pure keeper as well as passer. So 30m for Trafford is phenomenal business if it comes off, best for Trafford too in all likelihood.

My comparison between the two doesn't really have anything to do with the style of play. It's more to do with how he manages the players and his tactical trends.
He's very much a 'stick with what you know' manager and has been criticized as having no plan B.
I read the technical analysis of his Bournemouth side and creating overloads is definitely something we focused on with Kompany too but if you compare Parker's promotions you'll see much closer results then in our winning season under Kompany and a lot of that is down to his conservative mindset.

Bournemouth and Fullham fans have described his tenures the same way. Pedestrian possession based football with little bite. Often struggling to break teams down.

I'm just not sure how he's going to play so conservatively with a squad mostly designed at creating chances from every opportunity.

There were a few times under Kompany where we played pretty pedestrian passing possession football for possession's sake. What Parker has to do is take a strong squad that lost the ability to win, and get it winning again, style can follow on from that.

[IanMcL]

O Shea plays almost a full season = £10m
Beyer played 15 games, injury prone and looked out his depth, got booked almost every other game =£15m

Trafford gets dropped £25-30m

[Mattster]

I give up

We are going to be looked at by clubs as someone they think they can pick over the corpse of.

They know about our accounts
They know about our bloated squad
They know about the PL sized hole in our income.

All that squared means no-one will offer us 25m for Odobert (in this window).

If Odobert, Muric and Berge move on this season, and the sum total is worth at least 50m (before add-ons) I will donate 50 quid to the clarets trust.

They know we've already made £10m+ from Kompany and replaced him with an out of work manager. They know there's interest in multiple players in a our squad and we won't need to sell all of them - as such if they delay we may sell someone else and the price will go up if they're available at all.

Your £50 is probably safe because I doubt all 3 leave, probably 2 of the 3 will, but not because they won't/wouldn't sell for a combined £50m.

[Foshiznik]

Yes there is.
Check any actual analytics on the two keepers' performance, even if you scale Muric's errors up to the same number of games and round up, it still projects about 6-7 fewer goals conceded than Trafford. Done this argument to death before, his errors were obvious but even inspite of them he offered far more as a pure keeper as well as passer. So 30m for Trafford is phenomenal business if it comes off, best for Trafford too in all likelihood.

Why make a comparison to Trafford? Muric's catastrophic errors have nothing to do with him. I know he's viewed like the second coming of Lev Yashin to some but you can't defend the indefensible by diverting attention to a different keeper.

[NewClaret]

We'd be absolutely bonkers to let Oderbert go at this stage, even for 20 million!... He will be worth at least double that in a very short space of time!

Agree

[bumba]

We'd be absolutely bonkers to let Oderbert go at this stage, even for 20 million!... He will be worth at least double that in a very short space of time!

I agree he'll be worth more and would love him to stay I think a year in the championship would do him a lot of good but on the other hand he'd be up near the top of my list for players to cash in on if it meant keeping others.

Sell Odobert and keep Koleosho, Berge etc

Or sell Koleosho and Berge and keep Odobert

I'd definitely be swaying towards using Odobert as a sale to keep others here

[Quickenthetempo]

Why make a comparison to Trafford? Muric's catastrophic errors have nothing to do with him. I know he's viewed like the second coming of Lev Yashin to some but you can't defend the indefensible by diverting attention to a different keeper.

Catastrophic??

Nobody died.

[spt_claret]

Why make a comparison to Trafford? Muric's catastrophic errors have nothing to do with him. I know he's viewed like the second coming of Lev Yashin to some but you can't defend the indefensible by diverting attention to a different keeper.

Because those are the 2 keepers who played last season, and if the discussion is about a keeper possibly being sold it makes sense to compare them in terms of whether you'd be happy with them leaving. There's nothing indefensible to defend, the point was clear- Muric has made 2 bad mistakes, but even factoring that in, he's the better keeper, so selling Trafford for 30m is good for everyone and I would wish James all the best at Newcastle.

[NL Claret]

Because those are the 2 keepers who played last season, and if the discussion is about a keeper possibly being sold it makes sense to compare them in terms of whether you'd be happy with them leaving. There's nothing indefensible to defend, the point was clear- Muric has made 2 bad mistakes, but even factoring that in, he's the better keeper, so selling Trafford for 30m is good for everyone and I would wish James all the best at Newcastle.

Sell them both , as it currently stands neither are PL standard.