Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[wilks_bfc]

Sambo isn’t it?

Know they don’t mean anything these days but was assuming the new LB would be wearing 3

[Pearcey]

Know they don’t mean anything these days but was assuming the new LB would be wearing 3

I was a left back and always had 3. It’s just not right is it!

[Wokingclaret]

C J Riley on the ball and Vitinho in the background

[Wokingclaret]

Jenkins at the fence

[randomclaret2]

Parker just overheard CJ asking if we had a new manager yet...

[claretskeith]

Know they don’t mean anything these days but was assuming the new LB would be wearing 3

Growing up in a 4-4-2 it was always this:

9 10
11 6 8 7
3 4 5 2
1

[NickBFC]

Growing up in a 4-4-2 it was always this:

9 10
11 6 8 7
3 4 5 2
1

I thought 4 was usually a more defensive midfielder with 5 and 6 being centre back.

[Roosterbooster]

I thought 4 was usually a more defensive midfielder with 5 and 6 being centre back.

When I started watching football it was

Burnley:
11 10
7 6 8 9
3 4 5 2
1

Everyone else:
9 10
11 6 8 7
3 4 5 2
1

Or

9 10
11 4 8 7
3 5 6 2
1

[Selby Claret]

Seems appropriate (although off topic) to repost this:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/15927863 ... d-numbers/

[ClaretTony]

Beyer and Ekdal were two of the best in the champ. Delcroix but in a fantastic display away at Spurs which suggested to me he would be more than good enough at that level.
The big difficulty is working out which 2 play nevermind signing another one.

Beyer hasn’t played since December and Ekdal is injured. I’m far from convinced about Delcroix.

[Goliath]

Beyer hasn’t played since December and Ekdal is injured. I’m far from convinced about Delcroix.

Beyer had a serious injury. Presumably he will be fine for the start of the new season.
I was unsure about Delcroix but I still think his performance at Spurs was the best of the season by any centre half. He also offers us balance being left footed.
I'd be more than happy choosing from Beyer, O Shea, Esteve, Delcroix and Al Dakhil. Ekdal is the one I'd sell along with Mcnally

[Commy]

Ar’jany Martha.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/fo ... ts-4694542

[ClaretTony]

Ar’jany Martha.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/fo ... ts-4694542

James Copley - I think his job is to make things up. He used to stick stuff on the Burnley Express contradicting Chris Boden who had the correct info.

[BigGaz]

There is quite a bit of revisionism going on here about Beyer which I find curious and a bit weird.

He does appear to be quite susceptible to injury but this last period of absence he had every right to be upset about.

Let's be clear, up until he got injured he was comfortably our best defender. He may well still be our best defender. He looked very, very comfortable at Championship level and assuming he stays fit and well I suspect he would be part of the vast majority of people's 1st choice defensive partnership.

To suggest there's any type of uncertainty about his ability at Championship level is simply just weird. Plenty to say about whether he can stay fit or not.

[ClaretTony]

There is quite a bit of revisionism going on here about Beyer which I find curious and a bit weird.

He does appear to be quite susceptible to injury but this last period of absence he had every right to be upset about.

Let's be clear, up until he got injured he was comfortably our best defender. He may well still be our best defender. He looked very, very comfortable at Championship level and assuming he stays fit and well I suspect he would be part of the vast majority of people's 1st choice defensive partnership.

To suggest there's any type of uncertainty about his ability at Championship level is simply just weird. Plenty to say about whether he can stay fit or not.

I don’t think he was our best defender last season let alone comfortably. Too many mistakes from him. But had a really good season in the Championship.

[Newcastleclaret93]

There is quite a bit of revisionism going on here about Beyer which I find curious and a bit weird.

He does appear to be quite susceptible to injury but this last period of absence he had every right to be upset about.

Let's be clear, up until he got injured he was comfortably our best defender. He may well still be our best defender. He looked very, very comfortable at Championship level and assuming he stays fit and well I suspect he would be part of the vast majority of people's 1st choice defensive partnership.

To suggest there's any type of uncertainty about his ability at Championship level is simply just weird. Plenty to say about whether he can stay fit or not.

I don’t think beyer was our best defender at all in the prem. thought he really struggled with the pace and the athleticism of all the strikers.

At this level he’s more than adequate though. Although he does find himself in a very precarious position where he is now probably third choice. Probably best for all parties if one of him, O’Shea or Esteve move on.

[NewClaret]

I don’t think beyer was our best defender at all in the prem. thought he really struggled with the pace and the athleticism of all the strikers.

At this level he’s more than adequate though. Although he does find himself in a very precarious position where he is now probably third choice. Probably best for all parties if one of him, O’Shea or Esteve move on.

I agree with you about how Beyer struggled. In honesty I think he was a part in why we didn’t start so well, which has been completely overlooked by fans in the main. Also agree with you that he’s an excellent Championship defender who in many ways might be better than O’Shea or Esteve at this level with his ability to bring the ball out of defence and make an extra man in midfield (albeit I’d like to see him play more progressive passes to the wings when he does).

For me the priority should be keeping O’Shea and Esteve together though. They looked like a Prem pairing towards the end and if we’re to stand any chance of staying up if we go up again, we need to have a solid back line.

[123EasyasBFC]

Ar’jany Martha.

https://www.sunderlandecho.com/sport/fo ... ts-4694542

He was linked in Dutch papers early on in the summer

[Newcastleclaret93]

I agree with you about how Beyer struggled. In honesty I think he was a part in why we didn’t start so well, which has been completely overlooked by fans in the main. Also agree with you that he’s an excellent Championship defender who in many ways might be better than O’Shea or Esteve at this level with his ability to bring the ball out of defence and make an extra man in midfield (albeit I’d like to see him play more progressive passes to the wings when he does).

For me the priority should be keeping O’Shea and Esteve together though. They looked like a Prem pairing towards the end and if we’re to stand any chance of staying up if we go up again, we need to have a solid back line.

I agree

That’s why I think Beyer is probably better of leaving the club this summer.

Try get a decent fee and strengthen elsewhere

[NewClaret]

I agree

That’s why I think Beyer is probably better of leaving the club this summer.

Try get a decent fee and strengthen elsewhere

If we get a decent fee I could go with it. Would rather we keep him though. At some point injuries will hit and we have 46 games plus cups to give everyone game time this year.

[JarrowClaret]

I agree with you about how Beyer struggled. In honesty I think he was a part in why we didn’t start so well, which has been completely overlooked by fans in the main. Also agree with you that he’s an excellent Championship defender who in many ways might be better than O’Shea or Esteve at this level with his ability to bring the ball out of defence and make an extra man in midfield (albeit I’d like to see him play more progressive passes to the wings when he does).

For me the priority should be keeping O’Shea and Esteve together though. They looked like a Prem pairing towards the end and if we’re to stand any chance of staying up if we go up again, we need to have a solid back line.

Not arguing the overall point but wasn’t he injured at the start of last season? Bit harsh to blame him for the poor start if he
Edit: misread oh well apologies

[summitclaret]

Beyer is a very good footballer, but a bit too weak for a centre back and an inch or so too small. I have argued for a long time that he should play in front of the back 4 in the role Cork had. That could save us a lot of money.

[Stonehouse]

Beyer is a very good footballer, but a bit too weak for a centre back and an inch or so too small. I have argued for a long time that he should play in front of the back 4 in the role Cork had. That could save us a lot of money.

That’ll please all the ones that fancied Tarks playing a similar role.

[Guller Bull]

So now all the new manager drama is quietening down lets have a proper look at who stays who goes.

This again is the updated squad list courtesy of CT. It's going to get a bit busy for taxis soon you would have thought.

FIRST TEAM SQUAD

1 James Trafford Goalkeeper 10/10/2002 0 0 2027
2 Dara O’Shea Defender 04/03/1999 0 0 2027
5 Jordan Beyer Defender 19/05/2000 0 0 2027
6 CJ Egan-Riley Defender 02/01/2003 0 0 2025
7 Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson Defender 27/10/1990 0 0 2025
8 Josh Brownhill Midfielder 19/12/1995 0 0 2025
9 Jay Rodriguez Forward 29/07/1989 0 0 2025
10 Manuel Benson Midfielder 28/03/1997 0 0 2027
14 Connor Roberts Defender 23/09/1995 0 0 2025
15 Nathan Redmond Midfielder 06/03/1994 0 0 2025+
16 Sander Berge Midfielder 14/02/1998 0 0 2027
17 Lyle Foster Forward 03/09/2000 0 0 2028
18 Hjalmar Ekdal Defender 21/10/1998 0 0 2027
19 Anass Zaroury Forward 07/11/2000 0 0 2028
21 Aaron Ramsey Midfielder 21/01/2003 0 0 2028
22 Vitinho Defender 23/07/1999 0 0 2027
24 Josh Cullen Midfielder 07/04/1996 0 0 2026
25 Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 0 0 2028
27 Darko Churlinov Midfielder 11/07/2000 0 0 2026
28 Ameen Al-Dakhil Defender 06/03/2002 0 0 2026
29 Lawrence Vigouroux Goalkeeper 19/11/1993 0 0 2026
30 Luca Koleosho Midfielder 15/09/2004 0 0 2027
31 Mike Trésor Midfielder 28/05/1999 0 0 u/k24
33 Maxime Estève Defender 26/05/2002 0 0 u/k24
42 Han-Noah Massengo Midfielder 07/07/2001 0 0 2027
44 Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 0 0 2026
45 Michael Obafemi Forward 06/07/2000 0 0 u/k23
47 Wilson Odobert Midfielder 28/11/2004 0 0 2028
49 Arijanet Muric Goalkeeper 07/11/1998 0 0 2026
Samuel Bastien Midfielder 26/09/1996 0 0 2025
Dara Costelloe Midfielder 11/12/2002 0 0 2025
Owen Dodgson Defender 19/03/2003 0 0 2027
Luke McNally Defender 20/09/1999 0 0 2026
Scott Twine Midfielder 14/07/1999 0 0 2026
Wout Weghorst Forward 07/08/1992 0 0 2025
Shurandy Sambo Defender 19/08/2001 0 0 2028

[BigGaz]

That is just absolutely ridiculous. 36 is it?

One of Trafford or Muric
Egan Riley
Brownhill
Roberts
Amdouni
Churlinov
Tresor
Delcroix
Obafemi
Bastien
Costelloe
McNally
Twine
Weghorst

Can all go for me.

Brownhill I'd keep if he signed a new contract.

[BigGaz]

I don’t think beyer was our best defender at all in the prem. thought he really struggled with the pace and the athleticism of all the strikers.

At this level he’s more than adequate though. Although he does find himself in a very precarious position where he is now probably third choice. Probably best for all parties if one of him, O’Shea or Esteve move on.

Up until he got injured, he was in terms of ability our best defender. Appreciate he found the going difficult but so did everyone.

O'Shea managed to get a grip of himself as the season went on thankfully but he was handing out disasterclasses like they were sweeties for a significant portion of the first half of the season.

[claretskeith]

I thought 4 was usually a more defensive midfielder with 5 and 6 being centre back.

That wouldn't make sense in my book as 1-2-3-4-5 are all along the back 5.

But I guess it depends which teams you played for and which computer games you played.

[NewClaret]

Beyer is a very good footballer, but a bit too weak for a centre back and an inch or so too small. I have argued for a long time that he should play in front of the back 4 in the role Cork had. That could save us a lot of money.

I agree entirely.

[Big Vinny K]

That is just absolutely ridiculous. 36 is it?

One of Trafford or Muric
Egan Riley
Brownhill
Roberts
Amdouni
Churlinov
Tresor
Delcroix
Obafemi
Bastien
Costelloe
McNally
Twine
Weghorst

Can all go for me.

Brownhill I'd keep if he signed a new contract.

Wouldn’t disagree with most of that list tbh.
Both keepers can go for me. In fact all 3 of them.
I’d also add Dodgson and Redmond.

I’d definitely be keeping Brownhill though - he’s more than capable in the Championshio and also has some good leadership qualities which we are lacking across the squad.

[claretskeith]

Tresor has only just signed on a permanent. I'd be surprised if he left.

[warksclaret]

If you take BigGaz's list above of 14 players to go, and personally I agree with the majority of those, then if we take our first game as a target on 12 August then thats roughly 3 players a week we need to move. I know the window closes a few weeks later, but that's a tall order , particularly when the majority on there are not likely to have many takers

[BigChaCha]

summitclaret wrote:
Beyer is a very good footballer, but a bit too weak for a centre back and an inch or so too small.

John Stones seems to be doing just fine at international level as a centre-back even though he has a very similar build to Beyer and is virtually the same height!... What is it with the weird obsession with height on this board?

[ClaretTony]

Tresor has only just signed on a permanent. I'd be surprised if he left.

He’s signed because there was an obligation to sign him. I did hear that we tried to back out of the deal but couldn’t. Having said that, it’s a new manager now and a chance to impress him.

[ClaretTony]

So now all the new manager drama is quietening down lets have a proper look at who stays who goes.

This again is the updated squad list courtesy of CT. It's going to get a bit busy for taxis soon you would have thought.

FIRST TEAM SQUAD

1 James Trafford Goalkeeper 10/10/2002 0 0 2027
2 Dara O’Shea Defender 04/03/1999 0 0 2027
5 Jordan Beyer Defender 19/05/2000 0 0 2027
6 CJ Egan-Riley Defender 02/01/2003 0 0 2025
7 Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson Defender 27/10/1990 0 0 2025
8 Josh Brownhill Midfielder 19/12/1995 0 0 2025
9 Jay Rodriguez Forward 29/07/1989 0 0 2025
10 Manuel Benson Midfielder 28/03/1997 0 0 2027
14 Connor Roberts Defender 23/09/1995 0 0 2025
15 Nathan Redmond Midfielder 06/03/1994 0 0 2025+
16 Sander Berge Midfielder 14/02/1998 0 0 2027
17 Lyle Foster Forward 03/09/2000 0 0 2028
18 Hjalmar Ekdal Defender 21/10/1998 0 0 2027
19 Anass Zaroury Forward 07/11/2000 0 0 2028
21 Aaron Ramsey Midfielder 21/01/2003 0 0 2028
22 Vitinho Defender 23/07/1999 0 0 2027
24 Josh Cullen Midfielder 07/04/1996 0 0 2026
25 Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 0 0 2028
27 Darko Churlinov Midfielder 11/07/2000 0 0 2026
28 Ameen Al-Dakhil Defender 06/03/2002 0 0 2026
29 Lawrence Vigouroux Goalkeeper 19/11/1993 0 0 2026
30 Luca Koleosho Midfielder 15/09/2004 0 0 2027
31 Mike Trésor Midfielder 28/05/1999 0 0 u/k24
33 Maxime Estève Defender 26/05/2002 0 0 u/k24
42 Han-Noah Massengo Midfielder 07/07/2001 0 0 2027
44 Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 0 0 2026
45 Michael Obafemi Forward 06/07/2000 0 0 u/k23
47 Wilson Odobert Midfielder 28/11/2004 0 0 2028
49 Arijanet Muric Goalkeeper 07/11/1998 0 0 2026
Samuel Bastien Midfielder 26/09/1996 0 0 2025
Dara Costelloe Midfielder 11/12/2002 0 0 2025
Owen Dodgson Defender 19/03/2003 0 0 2027
Luke McNally Defender 20/09/1999 0 0 2026
Scott Twine Midfielder 14/07/1999 0 0 2026
Wout Weghorst Forward 07/08/1992 0 0 2025
Shurandy Sambo Defender 19/08/2001 0 0 2028

This should never have been allowed to happen. This many players is downright ridiculous. The only way we were able to keep the numbers down last season was by loaning out a good number of them because we couldn’t find buyers.

[Hipper]

John Stones seems to be doing just fine at international level as a centre-back even though he has a very similar build to Beyer and is virtually the same height!... What is it with the weird obsession with height on this board?

I never realised Jordan Beyer was 6' 2". He seems very mobile for that height. I'd like us to keep him and see how he does this season.

[randomclaret2]

This should never have been allowed to happen. This many players is downright ridiculous. The only way we were able to keep the numbers down last season was by loaning out a good number of them because we couldn’t find buyers.

Thats before we get to the 23 in the U21s Tony. Thats 59 Full Time Pros in old money. Lads like Mellon and Richardson to name but 2 have vast numbers of players to wade through to get anywhere near the First Team

[Lord_Bob]

I'll say it again, Beyer got found at in the PL because he was asked to play LCB. He could do it in the Championship, but not PL. Put him at RCB along side Esteve, and he'll be fine in the PL. I think he's a hellava player.

Related, I think worth keeping Delcroix as having a natural left footer at LCB is key. Needed as a back up to Esteve.

[Ric_C]

In An ideal world, I'd sell:

James Trafford Goalkeeper 10/10/2002 0 0 2027
CJ Egan-Riley Defender 02/01/2003 0 0 2025
Connor Roberts Defender 23/09/1995 0 0 2025
Nathan Redmond Midfielder 06/03/1994 0 0 2025+
Zeki Amdouni Forward 04/12/2000 0 0 2028
Darko Churlinov Midfielder 11/07/2000 0 0 2026
Lawrence Vigouroux Goalkeeper 19/11/1993 0 0 2026
Hannes Delcroix Defender 28/02/1999 0 0 2026
Michael Obafemi Forward 06/07/2000 0 0 u/k23
Samuel Bastien Midfielder 26/09/1996 0 0 2025
Dara Costelloe Midfielder 11/12/2002 0 0 2025
Owen Dodgson Defender 19/03/2003 0 0 2027
Luke McNally Defender 20/09/1999 0 0 2026
Scott Twine Midfielder 14/07/1999 0 0 2026
Wout Weghorst Forward 07/08/1992 0 0 2025

I'm a bit torn on Amdouni, but he is the epitome of a luxury player. I'd give Tresor a chance if his attitude is right. If we can get decent cash for Trafford, I'd sell. Maybe even Roberts could stay if he is open to it, as I don't mind him in the championship.

Obviously there may be decent bids coming in for our better players, but i'm hoping we can keep most of them. Maybe we will have to sell a couple of wingers to balance the books, but hopefully not.

[Aclaret]

This should never have been allowed to happen. This many players is downright ridiculous. The only way we were able to keep the numbers down last season was by loaning out a good number of them because we couldn’t find buyers.

That's a frightening wage bill every month !

[Vegas Claret]

This should never have been allowed to happen. This many players is downright ridiculous. The only way we were able to keep the numbers down last season was by loaning out a good number of them because we couldn’t find buyers.

we are behaving like Chelsea, just signing young talent in the hope some of them can turn a big profit (which is completely understand), the only issue is we aren't Chelsea and don't have the bank balance to support it. You would imagine we need to shift at least 10 and then loan a few out just to have a squad that is manageable for a new manager to work with. It's madness.

[summitclaret]

John Stones seems to be doing just fine at international level as a centre-back even though he has a very similar build to Beyer and is virtually the same height!... What is it with the weird obsession with height on this board?

Stones is quite a bit taller than Jordan. It's not weird. First up Luton. Massive front 2. It'll be the same all season. No way Beyer is 6 ' 2".

[Quickenthetempo]

Stones is quite a bit taller than Jordan. It's not weird. First up Luton. Massive front 2. It'll be the same all season. No way Beyer is 6 ' 2".

Do you expect both of Luton's centre forwards to still be with them this season?

They both had very good seasons last year, so I expect both to be sold.

[Blyclaret]

Something I don’t understand. Tresor had most assists in Europe I think. But wouldent get a kick in a horse box with us. How can that happen.

[Pearcey]

Something I don’t understand. Tresor had most assists in Europe I think. But wouldent get a kick in a horse box with us. How can that happen.

I’m hoping the championship is more his level and he has a blinder.

[Vegas Claret]

Do you expect both of Luton's centre forwards to still be with them this season?

They both had very good seasons last year, so I expect both to be sold.

They might lose Adebayo but I doubt many will go for Morris tbh

[KRBFC]

Stones is quite a bit taller than Jordan. It's not weird. First up Luton. Massive front 2. It'll be the same all season. No way Beyer is 6 ' 2".

Funny you mention Luton, I thought Beyer was excellent at Luton away last season, proper body on the line stuff.

[JarrowClaret]

Something I don’t understand. Tresor had most assists in Europe I think. But wouldent get a kick in a horse box with us. How can that happen.

Injuries played there part but I just think we were never set up to suit him and when he did play invariably he was in the wrong position. I see him as more of an attacking mid either off the left or behind the striker/s than an out and out winger.

If you bare in mind where Benny and Anas came from and how successful they were in the championship Tresor is a level above them in the Belgium league. I suspect if he is still here and is given the chance and used correctly that he will be a sensation in this division.

[Alan Young]

we are behaving like Chelsea, just signing young talent in the hope some of them can turn a big profit (which is completely understand), the only issue is we aren't Chelsea and don't have the bank balance to support it. You would imagine we need to shift at least 10 and then loan a few out just to have a squad that is manageable for a new manager to work with. It's madness.

The modern way with some clubs. Imagine we’ve charged a decent loan fee in addition to wage cover for the likes of Zaroury, Weghorst etc so it’s not all about getting a massive transfer fee down the line in order to turn a profit on players.

[FeedTheArf]

This should never have been allowed to happen. This many players is downright ridiculous. The only way we were able to keep the numbers down last season was by loaning out a good number of them because we couldn’t find buyers.

We’re a long way from Dyche having to stick 2 keepers on the bench to make up numbers (though I still maintain that was more of a dig at the board than a necessity - surely there was an U23 or even U18 outfield player that would benefit from the experience).

[summitclaret]

Do you expect both of Luton's centre forwards to still be with them this season?

They both had very good seasons last year, so I expect both to be sold.

Don't know, but you can bet if they aren't they'll be replaced with 2 big lads. It's also about preparing for going up again. We were not physically big and strong enough for the PL.