Plissken wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:05 pm
1. 22A Castle Street Douglas is the door on the left in
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.15324 ... &entry=ttu
2. Last years shirt sponsor were white labelled out of a different location in Poole
3. TGP Europe also is the same white label that our training gear sponsor for the last two years operate out of. They also gave Villa £12mn last year for front of shirt sponsorship.
4. You are about a decade late on blaming the board for taking the money, we were doing this prior to ALK coming on board.
5. It's all well and good saying the club should turn these sponsors away. I'm quite sure that ALK agree with you. However, the club have a reason for taking the money. Well, around ten million reasons a season in the PL. If there is another company out there that isn't gambling/crypto/whatever dodginess and is willing to provide something approaching the same number of reasons a year, then I am absolutely sure that they would like to meet them. And I'm willing to bet (aha!) that there is some moral ambiguity with those companies too.
6. We're about to play in a division sponsored by a betting company
7. It sucks, but there is nothing we as fans can do about it unless someone out there is willing to make up the several million reasons a year shortfall taken by a moral stance.
You are an intelligent, considered and eloquent chap who is very aware of the nuances in what you are talking about, though you have not included them in you list
1 - yes, this fact has been well established even on this message board
2 - as 1
3 - as 1 and 2 though there is plenty of other much more disturbing information about that particular operation most of which has been supplied by Josimar Football Magazine and has been extensively covered on the MMT
4 - absolute fact, no quibbles
5 - Moral ambiguity in this day and age is impossible to avoid as the Arts are finding out to their considerable cost. Possibly a clearer indication of stance should be whether or not the club is aiding/facilitating criminal activity in it's commercial partners primary target markets and how that partner operates it's own activities.
6 - if we use the point I raise for 5 - SkyBet is a legal operation operating legally in it's target markets and treats its staff rather differently to BK8 who still appear to be in partnership with the club
7 - there is plenty that we can do, just look at what both Norwich and Chelsea fans have managed to do in recent seasons - I am well aware of the contradictions in some of the actions of Chelsea fans re the club's former owner - the point is that they were able to enforce a change of decision
the use of money as the only measure is a vacuously neo-liberal stance -it may fit the ownership group (and a depressing proportion of the fanbase), but it doesn't fit with the traditions of the club and the town.
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