Spain v England

[Rick_Muller]

If he goes (which i think he should) who replaces him ?

Dyche

[Murger]

66 in 98 for England
36 for Munich
Spurs all time goalscorer and you leave him out
Okay

Does he warrant a place in this England team, on current form?

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

66 in 98 for England
36 for Munich
Spurs all time goalscorer and you leave him out
Okay

Keep trying to understand the mechanics of football. You'll get there in the end

[Inchy]

If people want him out that much they must come up with names. Come on, list them the candidates!!!

The obvious reply is “That’s not my job”.

But for a laugh.

Klopp
Dyche
Howe
Warnock
My dog
The pea stuck in my shark cordless vacuum

All would do a better job

[Middle-agedClaret]

I know this thread is about the game, and not the pundits but…
Rio Ferdinand has done something I would have thought impossible.
He has made Micah Richard’s sound almost lucid and reasoned.

[NottsClaret]

England were good for two halves, over 7 games. Spain fully deserved to win, best team by a distance.

Quite sad watching Kane tonight, if that’s how we’ll remember him. Southgate feeling unable to take him off until the hour mark unfortunately sums him up. Nice, loyal and a runner up.

[Goliath]

If people want him out that much they must come up with names. Come on, list them the candidates!!!

The obvious reply is “That’s not my job”.

But for a laugh.

Pochettino, Howe or Dyche. Personally I'd go Poch

[kentonclaret]

These beat Germany, Italy, France, Croatia
We couldnt beat Slovenia & Denmark

Exactly what I had been posting for the past 10 days. England didn’t actually meet a nation that wasn’t priced up at 16/1+ pre tournament. Coming back against Slovenia and Slovakia and doing it against Spain is an entirely different proposition.

[taio]

I’m sorry but that is laughable

Like Southgate was shouting “we’ve equalised now sit back and defend”

Spains ball retention is the best in the world and they pushed us back pretty much all game. The goal woke them up

It's very accurate. And while Southgate might not have used those words, he used those tactics. It's his job to take control of the tactical situation. He failed.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Pep Guardiola, Arteta or Klopp managing this English squad would make them almost unbeatable

£10m per year to Klopp. See what happens.

I believe the manager has to be English. But I struggle here. Howe, Potter?

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

It's very accurate. And while Southgate might not have used those words, he used those tactics. It's his job to take control of the tactical situation. He failed.

This.

[Tricky Trevor]

66 in 98 for England
36 for Munich
Spurs all time goalscorer and you leave him out
Okay

It’s not about his history. He got injured and wasn’t the same player when he came back. I still think he’s injured but he’s been awful the whole tournament and only Southgate loyalty got him on the pitch. A kick in the teeth for Watkins and Toney.

[Goalposts]

Another thing for Southgate supporters to consider is that during his tenure england have been consistently ranked top 5 by fifa prior to his take over that last time fifa ranked england in the top 5 consistently was 2012…


He has had the players , better than any other english managers and failed to win when it matters.. this is because when the big decisions have to be made and the tactical changes required to get you over the line matter - he fails its a game of small margins - but where Southgate should be adding the incremental changes that add to the whole sum improving he fails.

[watsonsclarets]

There midfield blew us away and in truth the premier league which is played at pace international football isn’t and we don’t have the technician in midfield for me. Rice is very good at recycling but doesn’t have a forward game in tight areas.

There push and shove passing and movement is done in there natural time like La Liga.

Also they pressed us to death and understood we struggle from deep areas to penetrate though sides

No argument from me best side one there balanced from front to back we simply are not

[AmbleClaret]

If he goes (which i think he should) who replaces him ?

Sir Edward and Count Jason of Newcastle.

[CrosspoolClarets]

IPAclaret wrote: ↑
If he goes (which i think he should) who replaces him ?

I’m utterly convinced you could let this lot go out and play without actually being coached, and get more out of them than GS has managed.

On a positive note, he has increased our level of professionalism and preparedness. He’s got rid of the ridiculous club v club bias in the dressing room, he’s had us prepare properly for penalty shoot outs and he’s restored some faith in the integrity of English managers after the embarrassment of BFS.

Tactically lacking, stupidly loyal to those not performing, and not brave enough ultimately. He manages us like the defender he was.

A word for this post. Excellent. Even gets the positives, there are of course some.

[warksclaret]

Just coming off topic, but is it just me that feels the English team did not seem to be hurting at losing tonight. I have seen players in the Division 2 play offs showing more emotion when losing the final

[Poulton-le-Claret]

66 in 98 for England
36 for Munich
Spurs all time goalscorer and you leave him out
Okay

The guy can barely move at the minute and has been the same all tournament.

[Dyched]

It’s not about his history. He got injured and wasn’t the same player when he came back. I still think he’s injured but he’s been awful the whole tournament and only Southgate loyalty got him on the pitch. A kick in the teeth for Watkins and Toney.

Remind what Watkins did in 30 minutes tonight. Did he touch the ball?

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Did more then Kane did and he wasn't dropping in at rightback

[HahaYeah]

Just coming off topic, but is it just me that feels the English team did not seem to be hurting at losing tonight. I have seen players in the Division 2 play offs showing more emotion when losing the final

No complaints about the lads, they did their best.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Just coming off topic, but is it just me that feels the English team did not seem to be hurting at losing tonight. I have seen players in the Division 2 play offs showing more emotion when losing the final

Did you see Belingham coming off the pitch in anger and kicking the water bucket? These are winners, but so are the Spanish. It just seems to be they are better managed.

Rodri the epitome of a winner - if there was a player I would sign for my club if I were a trillionaire, it would be him. Truly wonderful, my heart leapt at half time when he came off. Only England could puncture that within 120 seconds.

[Vino blanco]

Southgate is one of the most boring, negative, bland people I’ve ever listened to, and his team and tactics reflect that. Apart of from a couple of twenty minute spells we have been awful the whole tournament: Spain were a good team but they weren’t a great team…they did however play on the front foot, closing their opponents down, non-stop running on and off the ball, wanting to get the ball forward. They played like a team who knew what they were doing, what their roles were, in a word organised. England were just the opposite, that is down to the manager.

[Andreshotboots]

England were good for two halves, over 7 games. Spain fully deserved to win, best team by a distance.

Quite sad watching Kane tonight, if that’s how we’ll remember him. Southgate feeling unable to take him off until the hour mark unfortunately sums him up. Nice, loyal and a runner up.

Southgate has sadly been loyal to players like the FA have been to him..should have gone after the last final defeat The last 3 major tournaments we've had the easiest route possible and yet we've still not won a thing.

Something just didn't seem right with the two friendlies leading up to this tournament,.and we didn't recover performance wise..

[CoolClaret]

66 in 98 for England
36 for Munich
Spurs all time goalscorer and you leave him out
Okay

How many goals has he scored in crunch games against decent opposition?

He's always been the same - can score when playing for a team that dominates possession and doesn't need to do any of the hard yards.

He would never, ever be able to put in a season like Watkins just has for Villa and it's those types of performances that we have needed from our striker in all the crunch games that England has had over the past 8 years.

[RVclaret]

Not that it makes a difference but the ball was in play for 66 seconds of the 4 minutes added on at the end there. Not saying we would have scored or deserved to score but it’s just ridiculous that, at the pinnacle game in football, they are rewarding time wasting (cheating) - unfortunately no end in sight for that.

[Bin Ont Turf]

Walker is such a crap defender and proper thick.

If it wasn't for his pace he'd be nowhere near Man City or England. He was crap in 2009 and he's still crap now.

It's so easy to score against us it's laughable.

[quoonbeatz]

No Sweet ******* Caroline is a massive win.

[PremierLeagueClass]

Not that it makes a difference but the ball was in play for 66 seconds of the 4 minutes added on at the end there. Not saying we would have scored or deserved to score but it’s just ridiculous that, at the pinnacle game in football, they are rewarding time wasting (cheating) - unfortunately no end in sight for that.

That was ridiculous how he blew when he did.

[jedi_master]

Not that it makes a difference but the ball was in play for 66 seconds of the 4 minutes added on at the end there. Not saying we would have scored or deserved to score but it’s just ridiculous that, at the pinnacle game in football, they are rewarding time wasting (cheating) - unfortunately no end in sight for that.

Said to my Wife when we got the free kick with around 90 seconds of that ‘4 minutes’ left to play that Cucarella will inevitably drop holding his head and immediately be given a free kick. Pathetic.

[Andreshotboots]

The guy can barely move at the minute and has been the same all tournament.

Rumoured to be still carrying the back injury, who knows but he looked a complete shadow of his former self the last few weeks..so sad to see an England great look so poor...in saying that our formations and tactics certainly weren't condusive to his game one bit...

[BurnleyFC]

Whoever replaces him, that’ll be the pinnacle of Southgate’s career.

He’s not going to land a big club job.

[quoonbeatz]

When England don't cheat, time-wasting, etc, we can justifiably moan about Spain doing it but until then....

[RVclaret]

When England don't cheat, time-wasting, etc, we can justifiably moan about Spain doing it but until then....

Completely irrelevant to the point.

Not complaining about Spain ‘doing it’.

[CoolClaret]

No Sweet ******* Caroline is a massive win.

That I can agree with - it's bloody awful!

[BurnleyFC]

Rumoured to be still carrying the back injury, who knows but he looked a complete shadow of his former self the last few weeks..so sad to see an England great look so poor...in saying that our formations and tactics certainly weren't condusive to his game one bit...

Kane is a flat track bully. A very good goalscorer against the lesser teams but not a good footballer.

He’s not fit to lace Charlton’s, Lineker’s, Shearer’s or Rooney’s boots.

[jedi_master]

When England don't cheat, time-wasting, etc, we can justifiably moan about Spain doing it but until then....

I think the point is more that in four minutes we watched two Spanish players receiving treatment eat it almost entirely up.

You’re right, we do cheat - Bellingham especially seems to fall over more than he stays upright.

[quoonbeatz]

Completely irrelevant to the point.

Not complaining about Spain ‘doing it’.

It's entirely relevant. If it was us seeing the game out, we'd have had all the usual suspects falling down for not very much and we'd have 100% got away with it.

[Vegas Claret]

Best team won, says it all that our best player was Pickford

[RVclaret]

It's entirely relevant. If it was us seeing the game out, we'd have had all the usual suspects falling down for not very much and we'd have 100% got away with it.

You are still missing the point, which is unlike you. My complaint is at 66 seconds of 4 minutes added on being played and the ref blowing at 4 minutes on the dot. Most of that was eaten up by time wasting. When Burnley played Rotherham at home in 22/23 the ref added on 10 minutes because of Rotherham’s absurd time wasting, we scored a winner in the 90+10th minute. It was poor from the ref tonight and rewarded Spain’s cheating.

[Bin Ont Turf]

You are still missing the point, which is unlike you. My complaint is at 66 seconds of 4 minutes added on being played and the ref blowing at 4 minutes on the dot. Most of that was eaten up by time wasting. When Burnley played Rotherham at home in 22/23 the ref added on 10 minutes because of Rotherham’s absurd time wasting, we scored a winner in the 90+10th minute. It was poor from the ref tonight and rewarded Spain’s cheating.

Spain would have only scored another if the ref had added on more time.

[Goliath]

We need to rethink how we are trying to play. It's going to be very difficult to ever win anything playing a low block against these teams.
We need a manager committed to a high press and someone who will make the most of a talented squad of technicians and give them some set patterns of play.

For example, how well could we dominate possession with an attacking set up like this, playing Pep type football?


..........Wharton

....Maddison/Bellingham..Foden/Grealish/Mainoo

Saka............Palmer...........Gordon/Eze

A false 9 with Gordon running in behind. 3 Centre mids that are strong in possession and can play through a high press. I'm not sure Rice is quite there technically.
There's plenty of options there which would allow us to play progressive football.

[quoonbeatz]

You are still missing the point, which is unlike you. My complaint is at 66 seconds of 4 minutes added on being played and the ref blowing at 4 minutes on the dot. Most of that was eaten up by time wasting. When Burnley played Rotherham at home in 22/23 the ref added on 10 minutes because of Rotherham’s absurd time wasting, we scored a winner in the 90+10th minute. It was poor from the ref tonight and rewarded Spain’s cheating.

No I got the point and I agree it was poor but it would have been exactly the same the other way round so it's not really worth getting bothered about.

[Inchy]

I dont think it’s about England having the players now….its the weakness of the other countries

Have a look at the quality of opposition during our last ‘golden generation’

Spain
Brazil
Italy
France
Argentina
Netherlands
Germany
Etc


All had amazing squads that they would love to have now


We have the best squad amongst a lot of bad squads, and a shite manager that can’t capitalise

[Inchy]

Remind what Watkins did in 30 minutes tonight. Did he touch the ball?

Yeah, he set up the goal. Did you watch the game?

[Vegas Claret]

The PL needs to start helping too, far too often we have our Champions league teams playing on a Sat-Weds-Sat, in Spain they postpone the fixture before the big games and give the players more rest. If England want to win things the players need to be given priority over the PL (and the clubs are just as much to blame with these **** take money making tours)

[Inchy]

I’m excited to see who can take these players forward

[ClaretLoup]

Yeah, he set up the goal. Did you watch the game?

Maybe you should ask yourself the same question, Bellingham set the goal up.

[quoonbeatz]

The PL needs to start helping too, far too often we have our Champions league teams playing on a Sat-Weds-Sat, in Spain they postpone the fixture before the big games and give the players more rest. If England want to win things the players need to be given priority over the PL (and the clubs are just as much to blame with these **** take money making tours)

Absolutely no to that. The domestic league is disrupted far too much already by Europe and internationals.

[bfcjg]

Best team won, best manager won,best tactician won,bettered prepared team won, Gareth is a genuinely lovely bloke but his time has come. In fact it should have been time up after his last defensive attitude to a tournament.