Muric to Ipswich

[KRBFC]

From the extreme to the incredible, entertaining sure but I’m not sure it’s all that entertaining whilst you’re getting beat every week and you’ve got a loose cannon in the net.

[CoolClaret]

From the extreme to the incredible, entertaining sure but I’m not sure it’s all that entertaining whilst you’re getting beat every week and you’ve got a loose cannon in the net.

We were getting beat every week then the 'loose cannon' came back in and we stopped losing every week! Funny that eh.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I've not got too many examples in my mind of relegated clubs not selling players.

I said we don’t have to sell, and we don’t

The biggest thing is he wants to leave, so we’ll sell so we don’t have an unhappy player disrupting the dressing room

[Stonehouse]

Frankly his attitude, even during the promotion season, was poor, never gave the impression he was happy to be playing for the Clarets. Sulky and surly he could never be a likeable character. As for comparing him with Colin Waldron well words fail me....
He wants away so he's getting his wish, we need 100% committment next season...or, out you go...

I understand what you’re saying but are you happy JBG walking away and has now come back? obviously he was ****** off with VK surely Muric can be put in the same catagory ,it’s not always about showing 100% commitment it more about being happy where your employed.

[taio]

I said we don’t have to sell, and we don’t

The biggest thing is he wants to leave, so we’ll sell so we don’t have an unhappy player disrupting the dressing room

Of course we need to sell, and we will.

[KRBFC]

We were getting beat every week then the 'loose cannon' came back in and we stopped losing every week! Funny that eh.

Fake news, we had an easier run with Muric in the team fixtures wise. Huge mistakes costing the team vital points, soft goals conceded and giving the ball away relentlessly.

I’m not sure why some rate him so highly, I think it’s just a stick to beat Kompany with.

[CoolClaret]

Fake news, we had an easier run with Muric in the team fixtures wise. Huge mistakes costing the team vital points, soft goals conceded and giving the ball away relentlessly.

I’m not sure why some rate him so highly, I think it’s just a stick to beat Kompany with.

The points per game before and after doesn't lie.

[KRBFC]

The points per game before and after doesn't lie.

But it’s also skewed given Trafford played more games and Muric had easier fixtures…

So yes it does lie

[boatshed bill]

The points per game before and after doesn't lie.

Totally down to Muric, then?

[CoolClaret]

Totally down to Muric, then?

We were a much better team after the swap and that's facts.

[boatshed bill]

We were a much better team after the swap and that's facts.

A tiny bit better, maybe.
But there were other contributary factors, Esteve being one.

[123EasyasBFC]

If it’s true that Muric hasn’t come back to training without the club granting him the leave then it’s totally unacceptable.

Tresor has also been rumoured to have not come back to training, if that’s also true he needs to be moved on to

[Jamesy]

Fake news, we had an easier run with Muric in the team fixtures wise. Huge mistakes costing the team vital points, soft goals conceded and giving the ball away relentlessly.

I’m not sure why some rate him so highly, I think it’s just a stick to beat Kompany with.

Nonsense. You are just trying to be controversial again.

[boatshed bill]

Nonsense. You are just trying to be controversial again.

No he's not.
That's exactly what happened.

[KRBFC]

Nonsense. You are just trying to be controversial again.

The most avid Kompany haters are just big fans of Muric, coincidence yeah?

We all saw Muric give the ball away 20 times in one half at Spurs and get beat at his near post. The Cup game he threw them the ball then got beat from a ridiculous angle, then rolled the ball at their strikers feet inside his own box. Brighton home we’re one up and he lets the ball roll under his feet. Everton away we’ve quietened the crowd and what does he do? Basically boots it into his own net to kill our survival hopes.

Pretending he’s brilliant is to spite Kompany or they just haven’t seen him play last season. We all saw it after his mistakes, everyone but Muric was at fault.

He can kick the ball into his own net and not be held accountable because certain fans cried for him to start ahead of Trafford and they refuse to admit they were maybe wrong.

[boatshed bill]

Well said, KRBFC

[ksrclaret]

Muric is a good, talented goalkeeper with a bad mistake in him.

Kompany is an egomaniac with appalling man management qualities, with a good media profile.

You can all put your willies away now.

[boatshed bill]

Muric is a good, talented goalkeeper with a bad mistake in him.

Kompany is an egomaniac with appalling man management qualities, with a good media profile.

You can all put your willies away now.

Only if you do

[ksrclaret]

Only if you do

Down, boy.

[boatshed bill]

Down, boy.

You too

[dsr]

A tiny bit better, maybe.
But there were other contributary factors, Esteve being one.

Playing against Sheffield United and 10-man Brentford were others. Regardless of whether or not the side improved, those were the only two matches we won with Muric and I'm pretty sure we would have won them with Trafford as well.

[ksrclaret]

Just to try and get this thread back on track and away from the willy waving competition, I've been reading the reactions of quite a few Ipswich fans and most seem really pleased with the news, despite being aware of the mistakes he made.

Will be genuinely interesting to see how he gets on.

[Swizzlestick]

It’s a good signing for them. From what I’ve seen, McKenna plays a similar style to what we did in the Championship and I think they’re happy to accept the brain fart moments for a keeper who can be supremely talented with the ball at his feet and showed that he has a bit of presence about him too. As mentioned above, say what you like about him, but we looked a better team when he played.

[Clive 1960]

If it’s true that Muric hasn’t come back to training without the club granting him the leave then it’s totally unacceptable.

Tresor has also been rumoured to have not come back to training, if that’s also true he needs to be moved on to

If these reports are right the club needs to fine them and transfer them as soon as possible, can't do with players thinking they can do what they want..

[Wembley09]

If it’s true that Muric hasn’t come back to training without the club granting him the leave then it’s totally unacceptable.

Tresor has also been rumoured to have not come back to training, if that’s also true he needs to be moved on to

It's a sign of the times. Remember how Ben Gibson acted? A £15 million signing.

He ran up to uncle Gibson at Middlesbrough and refused to come back due to not being a regular. Modern day player's earn enough to f**k clubs around.

As for Muric, he probably only came here thanks to Vinny, former City man and big reputation, and now he's not here and we're not Premier League.. abit like Wout he wants out.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Decent money for Muric. Interesting it is Ipswich looking to sign him as oppose to top clubs around Europe.

Maybe these other clubs will come forward now they have seen the figures.

[bumba]

The most avid Kompany haters are just big fans of Muric, coincidence yeah?

We all saw Muric give the ball away 20 times in one half at Spurs and get beat at his near post. The Cup game he threw them the ball then got beat from a ridiculous angle, then rolled the ball at their strikers feet inside his own box. Brighton home we’re one up and he lets the ball roll under his feet. Everton away we’ve quietened the crowd and what does he do? Basically boots it into his own net to kill our survival hopes.

Pretending he’s brilliant is to spite Kompany or they just haven’t seen him play last season. We all saw it after his mistakes, everyone but Muric was at fault.

He can kick the ball into his own net and not be held accountable because certain fans cried for him to start ahead of Trafford and they refuse to admit they were maybe wrong.

Nobody was wrong about Muric, he played better than Trafford every game he played.
He had the best shot stopping percentage in the premier league didn't he?
Made saves that Trafford couldn't make.
Yes he made two howlers but he also kept us in games, wasn't it 8 out of 10 MOMs?

He was better than Trafford on every single level. Your just still pining for VK and won't hold him accountable for anything despite how horrific last season was.

[Blyclaret]

Kompany had an agenda. Put himself and his style football in shop window at any cost.

[boyyanno]

Fake news, we had an easier run with Muric in the team fixtures wise. Huge mistakes costing the team vital points, soft goals conceded and giving the ball away relentlessly.

I’m not sure why some rate him so highly, I think it’s just a stick to beat Kompany with.

We play every team twice so it's not possible for Muric to have had easier fixtures when he played about 10 out of 38.

Nice try though.

[KRBFC]

We play every team twice so it's not possible for Muric to have had easier fixtures when he played about 10 out of 38.

Nice try though.

Make it make sense

You realise to get 38 fixtures there is 19 teams, 10 is not half of 38.

Trafford played home and away against Man City for example.

Can’t believe I have had to explain something so simple you really thought 10 was half of 38?

[ŽižkovClaret]

I want a boring keeper please

[IanMcL]

Pope!

[Newcastleclaret93]

The most avid Kompany haters are just big fans of Muric, coincidence yeah?

We all saw Muric give the ball away 20 times in one half at Spurs and get beat at his near post. The Cup game he threw them the ball then got beat from a ridiculous angle, then rolled the ball at their strikers feet inside his own box. Brighton home we’re one up and he lets the ball roll under his feet. Everton away we’ve quietened the crowd and what does he do? Basically boots it into his own net to kill our survival hopes.

Pretending he’s brilliant is to spite Kompany or they just haven’t seen him play last season. We all saw it after his mistakes, everyone but Muric was at fault.

He can kick the ball into his own net and not be held accountable because certain fans cried for him to start ahead of Trafford and they refuse to admit they were maybe wrong.

Na I think there both shite

[ŽižkovClaret]

Pope!

Can't see him wanting to drop down tbh

[kentonclaret]

We play every team twice so it's not possible for Muric to have had easier fixtures when he played about 10 out of 38.

Nice try though.

Muric never kept goal against a team that finished in the top 4, Trafford played home and away in each fixture.

[boyyanno]

Make it make sense

You realise to get 38 fixtures there is 19 teams, 10 is not half of 38.

Trafford played home and away against Man City for example.

Can’t believe I have had to explain something so simple you really thought 10 was half of 38?

You really are dense that's the exact point I was making.

Muric literally played less than half of the games yet you say he had easier fixtures- it's not possible.

[boyyanno]

Muric never kept goal against a team that finished in the top 4, Trafford played home and away in each fixture.

He also played vs Luton twice I think, so what?

Nearly every team Muric faced Trafford had already faced. How the heck can they be easier fixtures? They're the same bloody teams. Trafford may have had some harder games as he played more than Muric did. But he didn't have "easier" fixtures- they played the same phooking teams.

If you want to join KRBFC in lunatic land then please do so.

[Goliath]

Are people really trying to make a case for Trafford being at the same level or better than Muric last season?
That really is an attempt at rewriting history.

[daveisaclaret]

You only need eyes in your head to see the immediate improvement when Muric came into the team last season. I guess people feel comfortable arguing about it because we still weren't particularly good but that's by the by.

[ElectroClaret]

The performances improved markedly when Muric finally replaced Trafford.

Probably the only person who couldn't see a change was needed is now noshing bratwurst in Munich.

[Cooclaret]

The most avid Kompany haters are just big fans of Muric, coincidence yeah?

We all saw Muric give the ball away 20 times in one half at Spurs and get beat at his near post. The Cup game he threw them the ball then got beat from a ridiculous angle, then rolled the ball at their strikers feet inside his own box. Brighton home we’re one up and he lets the ball roll under his feet. Everton away we’ve quietened the crowd and what does he do? Basically boots it into his own net to kill our survival hopes.

Pretending he’s brilliant is to spite Kompany or they just haven’t seen him play last season. We all saw it after his mistakes, everyone but Muric was at fault.

He can kick the ball into his own net and not be held accountable because certain fans cried for him to start ahead of Trafford and they refuse to admit they were maybe wrong.

I am not.

Very vocal about Kompany.

Like James Trafford and think he will be England #1 very soon.

[Cooclaret]

The performances improved markedly when Muric finally replaced Trafford.

Probably the only person who couldn't see a change was needed is now noshing bratwurst in Munich.

I’d suggest Cullen had a huge part to play in protecting the back four significantly better once he was back in.

Trafford was horrendously exposed

[BigGaz]

On the whole I've really enjoyed having Muric and I was definitely in the Muric in camp, but to intimate that it was as simple as he was brought back in and our performances immediately improved is just as disingenuous as saying he was directly at fault for costing us 9-12 points with his individual errors.

There's more nuance to it.

[kentonclaret]

He also played vs Luton twice I think, so what?

Nearly every team Muric faced Trafford had already faced. How the heck can they be easier fixtures? They're the same bloody teams. Trafford may have had some harder games as he played more than Muric did. But he didn't have "easier" fixtures- they played the same phooking teams.

If you want to join KRBFC in lunatic land then please do so.
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[NL Claret]

Surprised how long it took before it became another weary Trafford v Muric debate.

I wonder how long it will take for some posters to move on.

Hopefully Parker signs a couple of new reliable keepers and soon.

[jlup1980]

Muric is a good, talented goalkeeper with a bad mistake in him.

Kompany is an egomaniac with appalling man management qualities, with a good media profile.

You can all put your willies away now.

And this is the crux of the matter, VK's man management created this never-ending Muric / Trafford debate. We could write a dissertation on that damn debate!!

Trafford was mis-managed from day one. He should never have been thrown in as our number one from the first game of the season. The poor lad was on a hiding to nothing. Ironically, had we started Muric last August, I actually think Trafford would have ousted him during the season anyway, as I'm certain Muric would have made a few mistakes (as he did in the Championship and at the end of last season). How different would the conversations be if that had happened?

If you compare the management to how Dyche handled guys like Tarky or Charlie Taylor it's chalk and cheese. He gave them time to transition to the PL and brought them in when the time was right. Trafford arrived with age and time on his side and this should have been a factor. As it is we're likely to lose both goalkeepers this summer and that's due to how badly VK managed the situation.

[IanMcL]

Can't see him wanting to drop down tbh

It was one of my 3 wishes!

[KRBFC]

You really are dense that's the exact point I was making.

Muric literally played less than half of the games yet you say he had easier fixtures- it's not possible.

Kenton has just told you Muric never played against a side that finished in the top 4 whilst Trafford played home and away. How is it not possible? You’re acting like they both played 19 games, please tell me you’re not serious.


I’m the dense one though, Christ 10 x 2 =38

[boyyanno]

Kenton has just told you Muric never played against a side that finished in the top 4 whilst Trafford played home and away. How is it not possible? You’re acting like they both played 19 games, please tell me you’re not serious.


I’m the dense one though, Christ 10 x 2 =38

Pretending I said somthing because you read it wrong is just a bit embarrassing.

[boyyanno]

Kenton has just told you Muric never played against a side that finished in the top 4 whilst Trafford played home and away. How is it not possible? You’re acting like they both played 19 games, please tell me you’re not serious.


I’m the dense one though, Christ 10 x 2 =38

You can see my response to Kenton- "nearly every team Muric faced Trafford also faced" - it doesn't say every single one.

If you can't understand or refuse to accept that Trafford played the majority of the reverse fixtures that Muric played in then you're deluded. Muric only played about 10 games in a row so Trafford had to have.

You can list the fixtures if you want...you'll find I'm right.