OK, So England's Next Manager?

[ElectroClaret]

Presuming GS slings his hook/gets the bullet.

Eddie?

[Caballo]

Potter is out of work.

[claretonthecoast1882]

I can see the FA having a list of 2

Potter or Carsley. If that was the list then I would want Southgate

[bfcjg]

I'd like Klopp but it won't happen.

[rufus lumley]

Sean Dyche.

[Rowls]

I'd like to see Cooper in the role.

He's worth a punt as Howe and Potter will be favourites but Cooper has FA experience (won the U17 World Cup with England) and the FA love going with the familiar.

I'll get excited about the England team again if this happens.

[ElectroClaret]

I'd like Klopp but it won't happen.

Klopp wouldn't be a bad shout.

[aggi]

Time to finally get the Lampard/Gerrard pairing working.

[BurnleyFC]

I’d to see Dyche given a go, but it’s not going to happen.

Klopp would be an outstanding candidate but I doubt he’d be interested.

[claretskeith]

No English manager shouts out to me as being a superb option.

[claretskeith]

Just read on Sky that the FA's shortlist includes Eddie Howe, Graham Potter, Mauricio Pochettino and Lee Carsley.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Oh go on then, if you insist....

Dyche would be nice, but i fear the hipsters go for the out of work Potter

[IanMcL]

Picking winners....not.

[Rowls]

Incredible if Carsley is genuinely in the running. He simply is not qualified.

No managerial track record to speak of whatsoever.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Incredible if Carsley is genuinely in the running. He simply is not qualified.

No managerial track record to speak of whatsoever.

He is u21 manager and won a tournament with them. It's the continuity candidate, basically. If he had a tactically savvy no2 i'd not be opposed in principle

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Dyche

[Rowls]

He is u21 manager and won a tournament with them. It's the continuity candidate, basically. If he had a tactically savvy no2 i'd not be opposed in principle

Only ever been a caretaker manager.

How can you judge at how good somebody is at managing if they've never actually held a consistent managerial role over a period of time?

Being an international manager is daycare for professional footballers.

It's the equivalent of being an uncle as opposed to a full parent.

If he'd genuinely impressed at any of the numerous caretaker roles he's had you'd think he might have been given at least ONE full time job. But he wasn't. Ever.

It is old be harsh to judge him on his caretaker stats but it's only sensible to say he doesnt have a CV that fulfills what *should* be the criteria - a proven ability to manage. He should have been out of the running in the initial filter stage.

If he's on any kind of list whatsoever it demonstrates the thickest, woolliest thinking imaginable. It's impenetrably bad thinking and football is chock full of this.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Scott Parker and 40m compensation to Burnley

[Murger]

Nixon says Safegates departure to be announced soon.

[aggi]

Only ever been a caretaker manager.

How can you judge at how good somebody is at managing if they've never actually held a consistent managerial role over a period of time?

Being an international manager is daycare for professional footballers.

It's the equivalent of being an uncle as opposed to a full parent.

If he'd genuinely impressed at any of the numerous caretaker roles he's had you'd think he might have been given at least ONE full time job. But he wasn't. Ever.

It is old be harsh to judge him on his caretaker stats but it's only sensible to say he doesnt have a CV that fulfills what *should* be the criteria - a proven ability to manage. He should have been out of the running in the initial filter stage.

If he's on any kind of list whatsoever it demonstrates the thickest, woolliest thinking imaginable. It's impenetrably bad thinking and football is chock full of this.

That Spanish guy seemed to do OK the other night.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Only ever been a caretaker manager.

How can you judge at how good somebody is at managing if they've never actually held a consistent managerial role over a period of time?

Being an international manager is daycare for professional footballers.

It's the equivalent of being an uncle as opposed to a full parent.

If he'd genuinely impressed at any of the numerous caretaker roles he's had you'd think he might have been given at least ONE full time job. But he wasn't. Ever.

It is old be harsh to judge him on his caretaker stats but it's only sensible to say he doesnt have a CV that fulfills what *should* be the criteria - a proven ability to manage. He should have been out of the running in the initial filter stage.

If he's on any kind of list whatsoever it demonstrates the thickest, woolliest thinking imaginable. It's impenetrably bad thinking and football is chock full of this.

Arguably, his experience as u21 manager is closer to the role than the other candidate's experience as club managers

[ŽižkovClaret]

Southgate's gone

[Tribesmen]

Stephen Kenny , honest you would love to hear his interviews about the job in hand .

[AGENT_CLARET]

Get Klopp in

[NickBFC]

I would also give it to Klopp but don't think he would be keen. If we really want to stick with an English manager, then god knows. I don't think there are any stand out candidates.

[Rowls]

That Spanish guy seemed to do OK the other night.

Those Spanish players are as good as those English players.

Put me into an international poker tournament and I guarantee I will win. All I ask is let me pick the cards the cards I'm dealt.

Whoever gets the England job has an outstanding deck of cards to play with. We need somebody with a track record of playing their cards well, not somebody with no track record (Carsley) or a bad track record (Southgate).

[AGENT_CLARET]

Those Spanish players are as good as those English players.

Put me into an international poker tournament and I guarantee I will win. All I ask is let me pick the cards the cards I'm dealt.

Whoever gets the England job has an outstanding deck of cards to play with. We need somebody with a track record of playing their cards well, not somebody with no track record (Carsley) or a bad track record (Southgate).

Paul Daniels

[Rowls]

Arguably, his experience as u21 manager is closer to the role than the other candidate's experience as club managers

Maybe U21 football is uniquely just like full international football and maybe all kinds of international football are completely different from club football?

Or maybe not.

These are the kind of decisions the FA have to make.

Personally, I look forward to seeing how Southgate gets on at club level if he takes another role. That's perhaps the only thing that will give us a clear indicator of his true ability to manage a football side.

[Colburn_Claret]

Southgate resigned.

Thank you .

I don't really care who gets the job, I only care that whoever it is makes a better fist of creating a team out of our very talented squad.

[Paul Waine]

Incredible if Carsley is genuinely in the running. He simply is not qualified.

No managerial track record to speak of whatsoever.

Manager of Euro 2024 winners was previously manager of Spanish age group teams.

[claretskeith]

The BBC talking about Pep. That would feel like receiving a cheat code.

[ŽižkovClaret]

The BBC talking about Pep. That would feel like receiving a cheat code.

Wouldn't work. You need intense contact with players to do what Pep does

[Rowls]

Manager of Euro 2024 winners was previously manager of Spanish age group teams.

So was Steve Cooper, and yet I'd be very happy if Cooper got the job.

The point isn't, "you can't appoint internally" or "you can't consider the U21boss". The point is simply that the primary consideration -above all else- should be, "Does this applicant have a proven track record of success as a football manager?"

Carsley fails this. He should be out of the running entirely in the first filter.

[gawthorpe_view]

Southgate has resigned.

[claretspice]

If we ignore the galatico coaches - which is not an approach which has been especially successful in the past, either in England or elsewhere - the outstanding option would appear to be Potter.

Very strong coaching pedigree with club success, experience on the continent, and a style of play that seems well suited to the international game and a natural progression from Southgate.

Southgate has done a fine job. But it's probably the right time for him to move on.

[Paul Waine]

So was Steve Cooper, and yet I'd be very happy if Cooper got the job.

The point isn't, "you can't appoint internally" or "you can't consider the U21boss". The point is simply that the primary consideration -above all else- should be, "Does this applicant have a proven track record of success as a football manager?"

Carsley fails this. He should be out of the running entirely in the first filter.

Didn't Carsley lead England U21 to win a U21 trophy, beating Spain U21 last summer?

I see big differences in managing a club side playing league games and a national team playing cup competitions.

[Darthlaw]

Hopefully someone now who will pick form players, in their correct positions and recognise the value of a good balanced team over a group of talented individuals.

[claret2018]

Not sure Howe would leave Newcastle for England would he? Potter is the obvious choice.

[mikeS]

Klopp or someone whose strategy is to play forwards more than backwards.

[yTib]

nigel clough.

and no i'm not joking.

[bfcjg]

Potter has turned jobs down, so I think he had already been sounded out. He bombed at Chelsea so I worry about his big player credentials.

[yTib]

Potter has turned jobs down, so I think he had already been sounded out. He bombed at Chelsea so I worry about his big player credentials.

does an england manager need 'big player credentials'?

i don't think so. if you're gonna play for your country you don't have to be molly-coddled like playing for a club.

[Rowls]

Didn't Carsley lead England U21 to win a U21 trophy, beating Spain U21 last summer?

I see big differences in managing a club side playing league games and a national team playing cup competitions.

The big difference is that it's essentially a part-time role as opposed to a full-time role.

The similarities (you're managing a football team) are surely far more than the differences, no?

I accept there are some differences and there should be a greater focus on team bonding and group unity because you want to quickly gel players who are usually rivals into a cohesive team. This is the one area Southgate clearly did very well. On the field, less so.

But this skillset of establishing team spirit, should also be a demonstrable ability of any club manager so I fail to see how an U21 coach would get preference here? Especially if they had little or no track record as a manager.

If we flip it on the head for arguments sake and say that managing a national side of any age group is a criteria, or even a prime consideration, we can see how crazy and wrong headed this thinking is because suddenly Carsley leapfrogs everybody including the likes of Potter and Howe who have very good managerial records.

And if managing the U21s is seen as demonstrating some kind of ability to manage the full side how does that effect our ability to gauge the skillset if other applicants? It means we'd have to mark them down because they couldn't demonstrate any proof of having met this criteria. That's plain daft.

Remember, with Carsley we're talking about a bloke who has had numerous caretaker roles and yet has never been given a full time managerial position. He's probably or possibly a good coach but his caretaker roles suggest he wouldn't be a great manager (it's harsh and there's not a large dataset but it's the opposite if 'promising').

And yet he's somehow not only in the running but already on a shortlist?

It reminds me of that Einstein quote about infinity. I'm sure the people running the FA are bright enough but they sure are stupid if Carsley is on a shortlist.

[kentonclaret]

I posted on here before the Euro final that Potter was a short priced favourite to take over from Southgate and that remains the case. I cannot see Howe leaving Newcastle at this stage nor Pep being that interested and Potter is seemingly ready to step straight in.

[Rowls]

Didn't Carsley lead England U21 to win a U21 trophy, beating Spain U21 last summer?

What's Walter Raleigh doing these days?

Just to alter the tone a little

[ecc]

The same Klopp who regularly gets lambasted on here?

[MrTopTier]

The lack of English Coaches with any depth to their career is noticeable, especially when a process like this begins.

Howe for me is the favourite, plenty of experience, managed different teams and progressed them. Although Burnley fans may argue differently. Works well with young players and development and has some European experience.

Potter don’t get the hype, if anything for me he is Southgate lite.

Cooper just taken the Leicester job, so doubt the skint FA would want to pay that much Compo.

Carsley is interesting one, as he has been linked with loads of jobs, most recently the ROI job. Success at under 21’s follows a similar international path to Southgate.

Rob Edwards has worked within the England setup prior to football management.

All young and all inexperienced in a lot of ways and none of them have won anything. So they all fit the template.

Pochettino and Klopp bound to get a mention as they are almost Anglicised. Doubt that’s the route they’ll go down though. Mancini another who has had success in England and internationally. These are proven winners though.

[ashtonlongsider]

I'd seriously wait until next summer to see whether we can tempt either Klopp or Pep, and put an interim in in the meantime. We need a manager with great experience who has the respect and worldwide appeal, and is capable of handling some of the current crop who quite possibly think there better than they are. Not sure any English manager at present fits the bill, but if it was to be one then Eddie would be my choice.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Dyche would be perfect for the job

[aggi]

Those Spanish players are as good as those English players.

Put me into an international poker tournament and I guarantee I will win. All I ask is let me pick the cards the cards I'm dealt.

Whoever gets the England job has an outstanding deck of cards to play with. We need somebody with a track record of playing their cards well, not somebody with no track record (Carsley) or a bad track record (Southgate).

I've no idea what you mean here?

The Spanish players are as good as the England players which means they have a completely different criteria for a manager for some unexplained reason?