Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[boatshed bill]

Bore off, it’s a discussion forum, where people are going to speculate about players. Your whole issue comes from another poster speculating that he might have an illness, to another poster speculating that he just doesn’t want to be at the club at all. If you’ve had enough of it don’t read the discussion forum

No, it does not.
"Bore Off" HaHa.
All I've been saying from the start is that no-one knows the circumstances. You make of it what you choose. xxx

[burnley007]

Why not lay off the player until the facts are available? Seems a good idea, doesn't it?

I don't think he is capable. He knows everything.

[SirBob]

Probably getting find but it will be peanuts in relation to his salary

The fines players receive for being late for training sessions have been leaked many times in the press. Players that don’t turn up at all lose tens of thousands of pounds in wages. A close friend of mine used to play in league one and he was fined thousands of pounds a year because he was constantly overweight, it wasn’t peanuts and this was 10 years ago.

If Tresor has downed tools he won’t be receiving a wage he’s in breech of contract. I’ve not read anything to believe he has downed tools apart from this message board to believe he has.

It could just as easily be something medically related, reoccurring Mono or Epstien Barr virus. The club don’t tell us when someone has a calf strain they sure as hell won’t tell us details of a specific illness unless the player gives permission like Forster did with his mental health issues.

[123EasyasBFC]

I don't think he is capable. He knows everything.

Again nobody has claimed they know anything but there would be no discussion or forum if people didn’t speculate about reasons things do or don’t happen.

You are on the wrong thread anyway you should be on the ones regarding Scott Parker and slagging off everything positive people say about him

[burnley007]

The fines players receive for being late for training sessions have been leaked many times in the press. Players that don’t turn up at all lose tens of thousands of pounds in wages. A close friend of mine used to play in league one and he was fined thousands of pounds a year because he was constantly overweight, it wasn’t peanuts and this was 10 years ago.

If Tresor has downed tools he won’t be receiving a wage he’s in breech of contract. I’ve not read anything to believe he has downed tools apart from this message board to believe he has.

It could just as easily be something medically related, reoccurring Mono or Epstien Barr virus. The club don’t tell us when someone has a calf strain they sure as hell won’t tell us details of a specific illness unless the player gives permission like Forster did with his mental health issues.

Agreed.

I'm sure the club and player have agreed that they want to keep whatever the situation is as private as possible, until the he is ready to return.

[NL Claret]

This 'turd' of a squad that Kompany 'left behind' is better than what was here 2 years ago.

Came across an interesting quote from a theorist, the other day.

Thinking about the past is depression, thinking about the future is anxiety .

It is about the hear and now and not the position we were in 2 years ago.

[NL Claret]

This 'turd' of a squad that Kompany 'left behind' is better than what was here 2 years ago.

For the sake of clarity, when did I say squad?

[ksrclaret]

Brilliant. More willy waving drivel. Always the same posters who can't resist an argument over nothing.

Anyway, reports today linking Weghorst with a move away with Besiktas and Ajax mentioned as possible suitors.

[claretskeith]

For the sake of clarity, when did I say squad?

For the sake of clarity, the word 'squad' never comes into this. So stop thinking about it.

"Tresor is Another turd that VK left behind"

You are clearly blaming Kompany and suggesting we signed a waste of a player.

[claretskeith]

But anyway.... can we now move on.

[boatshed bill]

Brilliant. More willy waving drivel. Always the same posters who can't resist an argument over nothing.

Anyway, reports today linking Weghorst with a move away with Besiktas and Ajax mentioned as possible suitors.

I hope so

[TsarBomba]

Brilliant. More willy waving drivel. Always the same posters who can't resist an argument over nothing.

Anyway, reports today linking Weghorst with a move away with Besiktas and Ajax mentioned as possible suitors.

And Trabzonspor by the look of it.

[Mattster]

Trabzonspor and Besiktas will never pay a good fee, waste of time trying to deal with Turkish clubs.

[Woodleyclaret]

We never did get who the fool was who sanctioned Wouts deal.I hope they are long gone
We need to cut our losses and give him a free transfer

[claretskeith]

We need to cut our losses and give him a free transfer

Why would you give a player a free transfer if clubs are willing to give you a loan fee.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Any fee is better than no fee at this stage with 1 year left on his contract. He won't play for us in the Championship, so we need to cut our losses, get him sold and then we can just move on from it.

[GetIntoEm]

i think its quite clear from Weghorsts performances elsewhere, there is a decent player in there. The transfer itself was a great idea, it just didnt work out as it was intended.

i really rate him as a player, just not what we needed at the time and subsequent wanting to get away.

[warksclaret]

As days go on I really worry about the task of moving players on that won't feature in the match day squad, even if this year it rises to 20 players. We will in time reach a point where we need to move a player a day before the window closes to get it down to 25. To my knowledge other than Cork leaving, we have only sold Peacock Farrell and Muric and arranged loans for some youngsters like Mellon

[claretskeith]

As days go on I really worry about the task of moving players on that won't feature in the match day squad, even if this year it rises to 20 players. We will in time reach a point where we need to move a player a day before the window closes to get it down to 25. To my knowledge other than Cork leaving, we have only sold Peacock Farrell and Muric and arranged loans for some youngsters like Mellon

My advice is to stop worrying. I can tell you're a worrier.

[ArmchairDetective]

I can understand the club holding off on any sales until the coaching team have had chance to take a look at the squad in training and friendlies. 5 weeks yet to shift players on. You'd think it's going to be a busy five weeks though.

[Guller Bull]

I can understand the club holding off on any sales until the coaching team have had chance to take a look at the squad in training and friendlies. 5 weeks yet to shift players on. You'd think it's going to be a busy five weeks though.

Think that's a pretty good summing up. You can assume that Weggy is a goner.

There are probably a lot of 50/50s that SP will want to look at but could fetch in decent money.

Brownhill
Twine
O Shea
Trafford

and more would fit into that category.

There will be some that money offered might force

Odebert
Berge
for eg

Then there will be a few that will wait and see what offers come in versus their chances of playing.

McNally, Benson, Zaroury, Massengo, Obefemi etc etc

Then loans will see a few out of the door late on

[BigGaz]

I get players like Twine, Churlinov etc all being moved on, and those with expiring contracts like Brownhill, but I still remain sceptical that we're gonna see offers in for players like O'Shea, Berge, Odobert that will meet our valuation of them (unless we really drop our knickers in desperation)

Objectively, these lads were bad last season. Really, really bad. Sure, they had a few odd bits here and there where they didn't look absolutely hopeless but nowhere near what is going to secure them a great move for a huge fee that meets our expectations.

Traffords case is a little bit different due to his attractiveness as a young English goalkeeper with home grown status, and 25-30m isnt necessarily a pipe dream.

[taio]

I get players like Twine, Churlinov etc all being moved on, and those with expiring contracts like Brownhill, but I still remain sceptical that we're gonna see offers in for players like O'Shea, Berge, Odobert that will meet our valuation of them (unless we really drop our knickers in desperation)

Objectively, these lads were bad last season. Really, really bad. Sure, they had a few odd bits here and there where they didn't look absolutely hopeless but nowhere near what is going to secure them a great move for a huge fee that meets our expectations.

Traffords case is a little bit different due to his attractiveness as a young English goalkeeper with home grown status, and 25-30m isnt necessarily a pipe dream.

I hope no club meets our valuation of O'Shea, Berge and Odobert and they are here to help us push for promotion.

[Goliath]

I get players like Twine, Churlinov etc all being moved on, and those with expiring contracts like Brownhill, but I still remain sceptical that we're gonna see offers in for players like O'Shea, Berge, Odobert that will meet our valuation of them (unless we really drop our knickers in desperation)

Objectively, these lads were bad last season. Really, really bad. Sure, they had a few odd bits here and there where they didn't look absolutely hopeless but nowhere near what is going to secure them a great move for a huge fee that meets our expectations.

Traffords case is a little bit different due to his attractiveness as a young English goalkeeper with home grown status, and 25-30m isnt necessarily a pipe dream.

Sander Berge was really really bad?
OK then.

[taio]

Sander Berge was really really bad?
OK then.

Best player last season

[jlup1980]

I get players like Twine, Churlinov etc all being moved on, and those with expiring contracts like Brownhill, but I still remain sceptical that we're gonna see offers in for players like O'Shea, Berge, Odobert that will meet our valuation of them (unless we really drop our knickers in desperation)

Objectively, these lads were bad last season. Really, really bad. Sure, they had a few odd bits here and there where they didn't look absolutely hopeless but nowhere near what is going to secure them a great move for a huge fee that meets our expectations.

Traffords case is a little bit different due to his attractiveness as a young English goalkeeper with home grown status, and 25-30m isnt necessarily a pipe dream.

O'Shea grew into the season and got better as the year progressed. I think he'll be a different beast in a Parker set up. He strikes me as more of a Dyche style CB than a Kompany one. We were too open for him at times last season but I think Parker will be more pragmatic and I can see him being a big leader for us (which will be needed as we don't have many natural leaders anymore).

Berge was class at times and a bit m'eh at others. He's our best CM and should dominate the Championship alongside Cullen. I can't see him leaving as I don't see anyone meeting our valuation. We paid around £12m for him last summer and the argument is whether he's done enough for someone to part with £20m+. Personally I highly doubt it. If he leaves, it'll be because he forces a move.

Odobert is an enigma. Moments of genuine quality, moments of anonymity. He's a young lad who would do well in the Championship. He'll need to learn to take a kick though, as I'm damn sure the full backs in this league will give him an early warning in virtually every match we play!!

[alwaysaclaret]

Think that's a pretty good summing up. You can assume that Weggy is a goner.

There are probably a lot of 50/50s that SP will want to look at but could fetch in decent money.

Brownhill
Twine
O Shea
Trafford

and more would fit into that category.

There will be some that money offered might force

Odebert
Berge
for eg

Then there will be a few that will wait and see what offers come in versus their chances of playing.

McNally, Benson, Zaroury, Massengo, Obefemi etc etc

Then loans will see a few out of the door late on

Not saying they will, but lose all of the player's you mention here and we can forget promotion I reckon. Need to do everything we can to keep twine, O'Shea, Odobert, Berge, Benson and zaroury.

[BigGaz]

Best player last season

He was our best player, I don't disagree and I too hope that they'll start and finish the season with us.

"Our best player" is faint praise though. We were terrible, absolutely stank the gaff out as one of the worst sides the Premier league has ever seen, statistically and with your eyes and the point is that there are precisely 0 clubs looking at Berge or Odoberts performances last season and saying "YES!!! THATS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED. WIRE BURNLEY 25M IMMEDIATELY".

[BigGaz]

O'Shea grew into the season and got better as the year progressed. I think he'll be a different beast in a Parker set up. He strikes me as more of a Dyche style CB than a Kompany one. We were too open for him at times last season but I think Parker will be more pragmatic and I can see him being a big leader for us (which will be needed as we don't have many natural leaders anymore).

Berge was class at times and a bit m'eh at others. He's our best CM and should dominate the Championship alongside Cullen. I can't see him leaving as I don't see anyone meeting our valuation. We paid around £12m for him last summer and the argument is whether he's done enough for someone to part with £20m+. Personally I highly doubt it. If he leaves, it'll be because he forces a move.

Odobert is an enigma. Moments of genuine quality, moments of anonymity. He's a young lad who would do well in the Championship. He'll need to learn to take a kick though, as I'm damn sure the full backs in this league will give him an early warning in virtually every match we play!!

Agree with all of that other than for me O'Shea is back up to Beyer assuming he can stay fit/stays at the club. That is just my preference though.

[Vegas Claret]

I hope we are tough with Weghorst and his agent. The transfer fee is 'x amount', it's a full transfer and no loan, if no club meets it you are playing in the Championship. A nominal loan fee isn't much use to us

[claretskeith]

I hope we are tough with Weghorst and his agent. The transfer fee is 'x amount', it's a full transfer and no loan, if no club meets it you are playing in the Championship. A nominal loan fee isn't much use to us

We're not going to get a fee for this lad. Unless it's a loan fee.

[RVclaret]

We're not going to get a fee for this lad. Unless it's a loan fee.

All reports so far have suggested clubs are happy to buy him. Roma and Ajax were mentioned as possible destinations while FC Twente, his former club, are in the running. I’d imagine the fee will be around £5m.

[claretskeith]

All reports so far have suggested clubs are happy to buy him. Roma and Ajax were mentioned as possible destinations while FC Twente, his former club, are in the running. I’d imagine the fee will be around £5m.

There were reports last summer. I'd love it, but can't see it.

[RVclaret]

Looks like we are in land of Turkish journalism for now with Sander Berge. Reports from there suggesting Fenerbache’s director will travel to England to negotiate with us and ‘hold talks with’ Berge.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/director-trav ... otiations/

[warksclaret]

Looks like we are in land of Turkish journalism for now with Sander Berge. Reports from there suggesting Fenerbache’s director will travel to England to negotiate with us and ‘hold talks with’ Berge.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/director-trav ... otiations/

We showed resolve with Newcastle wanting to buy Trafford and not meet our valuation. Hopefully the club shows similar resolve with Berge . He is the current player we most want to keep unless there is a good and sensible offer for his purchase.

[claretskeith]

Looks like we are in land of Turkish journalism for now with Sander Berge. Reports from there suggesting Fenerbache’s director will travel to England to negotiate with us and ‘hold talks with’ Berge.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/director-trav ... otiations/

A very very poor source. And the writing is appalling.

Also, it's been reported a while back.

[KRBFC]

Looks like we are in land of Turkish journalism for now with Sander Berge. Reports from there suggesting Fenerbache’s director will travel to England to negotiate with us and ‘hold talks with’ Berge.

http://sportwitness.co.uk/director-trav ... otiations/

Here’s an interesting concept, if he doesn’t want to play in the Championship do we loan him out for a year and bring him back next year after we’ve hopefully been promoted?

Whilst receiving a loan fee and his full wages covered for this season.

[agreenwood]

Here’s an interesting concept, if he doesn’t want to play in the Championship do we loan him out for a year and bring him back next year after we’ve hopefully been promoted?

Whilst receiving a loan fee and his full wages covered for this season.

We did that with Weghorst and he was booed by fans last summer.

[RVclaret]

A very very poor source. And the writing is appalling.

Also, it's been reported a while back.

This is a new, updated report, as it says in the report. The source is a Turkish journalist with 1m followers on X.

[Darnhill Claret]

And perhaps refrain from referring to players as turds. Joey Bartonesque perhaps, certainly fairly disgusting and distasteful.

[claretskeith]

This is a new, updated report, as it says in the report. The source is a Turkish journalist with 1m followers on X.

I've already seen this so it can't be new.

[Guller Bull]

We did that with Weghorst and he was booed by fans last summer.

Weghorst is a different kettle of pish.

[RVclaret]

I've already seen this so it can't be new.

It was published 3 hours ago & hasn’t been posted on here.

[claretskeith]

It was published 3 hours ago & hasn’t been posted on here.

Then someone shared the same news earlier. Before it was published. It does happen.

[123EasyasBFC]

Fenerbache must have some money coming from somewhere 20m for a striker from Sevilla and then at least 25m for Berge, isn’t the biggest fee in Turkish football 20m

[gandhisflipflop]

Mourinho won’t come cheap either

[KRBFC]

We did that with Weghorst and he was booed by fans last summer.

I don’t think we did at all, I don’t think Weghorst was ever gonna return and play. The reason he was booed was for speaking publicly about it. Weghorst was also never popular here unlike Berge.

[Holtyclaret]

Fenerbache must have some money coming from somewhere 20m for a striker from Sevilla and then at least 25m for Berge, isn’t the biggest fee in Turkish football 20m

It was 14m.

[123EasyasBFC]

It was 14m.

Turkish clubs love a loan with option to buy don’t they

[Bowclaret]

Simple in reality - keep Berge and we get promoted.

Sell - and we struggle

Best player in the league by a mile