OK, So England's Next Manager?

[Pearcey]

The FA like Potter. He’s achieved bugger all apart from a large bank account.We need a different style of play with some added flair. What’s Andres Iniesta doing these days.

I take it you haven’t seen his record in Sweden then. Incredible story.

[bobinho]

Incredible if Carsley is genuinely in the running. He simply is not qualified.

No managerial track record to speak of whatsoever.

Bit like the last one…

[JR1882]

I feel there’s a big difference between what Gareth was taking on post Euro 2016 and the elite group of latter stage regulars that we have now, as such it’s a no for Lee Carsley for me.

[ArmchairDetective]

Dyche

[Devils_Advocate]

Should be Sarina Wiegman but do the FA have the courage to appoint her

[Stayingup]

Should be Sarina Wiegman but do the FA have the courage to appoint her

Come on. It should be England's longest serving manager. But would Bacup let him go?

[boatshed bill]

Should be Sarina Wiegman but do the FA have the courage to appoint her

You won't catch many with this one, DA

[yTib]

i really mean it.

nigel clough would be perfect.

nowt to lose and knows his onions.

and finally a clough managing england.

why does it have to be some superstar?

and no waistcoat.

[Gordaleman]

Probably a little bit late, but Arsene Wenger should have been asked ten years ago.

Now? No obvious candidates for me.

[yTib]

arsene wenger wants to do away with throw-ins.

he's on the wrong planet.

[Quickenthetempo]

arsene wenger wants to do away with throw-ins.

he's on the wrong planet.

So should any Burnley fan that has watched the last 5 years.

[yTib]

throw-ins are okay.

the opposing team should have to retreat another five yards though.

arsene is anti-football was my point.

[ElectroClaret]

Should be Sarina Wiegman but do the FA have the courage to appoint her

Come on DA, you gotta up your game.
Poor.

[yTib]

Come on DA, you gotta up your game.
Poor.

don't encourage the lad.

one day he'll move out of his parents house and join a circus of his own.

[brexit]

Come on DA, you gotta up your game.
Poor.

why not she has more success that Southgate?
Remember the Capello fiasco

[houseboy]

I find it a bit amusing that people are mentioning Sean Dyche in the same sentence as the next England manager. Come on, really? He did great for us for a good while, managing a club with no real aspirations other than PL survival and did achieve two outstanding seasons (by our standards) when we had top half finishes. But England? He has no record of dealing with top class egos and no record of tangible success. And lest we forget we have just had shed loads of complaints about England being too defensive under Southgate. Dyche doesn’t know how to produce an attacking side, it’s not in his mind set. Southgate has also been criticised for sticking with underperforming players, does that sound kind of familiar as a Claret?
There have been some good shouts on here for potential new England managers but Dyche is not one of them.

[beddie]

Would Eddie take the job if it was offered, I’m not sure he would, although I’d expect his current employers to be looking for some silverware next season so maybe that might have a factor in his decision if it were offered.

[dandeclaret]

I find it a bit amusing that people are mentioning Sean Dyche in the same sentence as the next England manager. Come on, really? He did great for us for a good while, managing a club with no real aspirations other than PL survival and did achieve two outstanding seasons (by our standards) when we had top half finishes. But England? He has no record of dealing with top class egos and no record of tangible success. And lest we forget we have just had shed loads of complaints about England being too defensive under Southgate. Dyche doesn’t know how to produce an attacking side, it’s not in his mind set. Southgate has also been criticised for sticking with underperforming players, does that sound kind of familiar as a Claret?
There have been some good shouts on here for potential new England managers but Dyche is not one of them.

No record of tangible success? Sean Dyche….. you’ve not got mixed up there?

Assessing managers is pretty simple when you cut through all the nonsense about styles, and tactics, etc….. do they win more games than the resources they have suggest they should? If the answer is yes, put them on the good manager side….. if the answer is no, put them on the bad manager side.

[Vincent'sCap]

I find it a bit amusing that people are mentioning Sean Dyche in the same sentence as the next England manager. Come on, really? He did great for us for a good while, managing a club with no real aspirations other than PL survival and did achieve two outstanding seasons (by our standards) when we had top half finishes. But England? He has no record of dealing with top class egos and no record of tangible success. And lest we forget we have just had shed loads of complaints about England being too defensive under Southgate. Dyche doesn’t know how to produce an attacking side, it’s not in his mind set. Southgate has also been criticised for sticking with underperforming players, does that sound kind of familiar as a Claret?
There have been some good shouts on here for potential new England managers but Dyche is not one of them.

Sam Allardyce got the England job,why not Dyche ?

[Papabendi]

Sam Allardyce got the England job,why not Dyche ?

That sums it up for me. 8 years ago we had Big Sam, since then we've been in 2 finals, one semi final and one QF. Of course, that is still no good for some people.

Get out of your England bubble chaps, stop continually looking for someone or something to blame. Over a long period of time we haven't been good enough to win anything. No one outside of England is shocked or surprised about it, just people here stuck in a bubble.

[houseboy]

No record of tangible success? Sean Dyche….. you’ve not got mixed up there?

Assessing managers is pretty simple when you cut through all the nonsense about styles, and tactics, etc….. do they win more games than the resources they have suggest they should? If the answer is yes, put them on the good manager side….. if the answer is no, put them on the bad manager side.

List his trophies bud. That is what I mean as tangible success. Keeping Rochdale in League 1 for ten years would be quite an achievement but it would hardly qualify for the England job would it? Dyche was great for us till it went a bit stale but let’s keep things real. He is not a future England manager, at least not yet.

[houseboy]

Sam Allardyce got the England job,why not Dyche ?

And look what happened there.

[dandeclaret]

List his trophies bud. That is what I mean as tangible success. Keeping Rochdale in League 1 for ten years would be quite an achievement but it would hardly qualify for the England job would it? Dyche was great for us till it went a bit stale but let’s keep things real. He is not a future England manager, at least not yet.

1 championship, 1 promotion, 1 european qualification.

What were the Spain Manager's tangible successes in first team football?

[Goliath]

I'd love Dyche to be England manager but thinking about it im not sure the FA would have the bottle to stick with him. He would come under so much pressure from the fans and media when we lose the possession battle against teams like Georgia etc, regardless of results.

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Imagine wanting Dyche as England manager after Southgate. Soooo funny.

[Elizabeth]

Would Eddie take the job if it was offered, I’m not sure he would, although I’d expect his current employers to be looking for some silverware next season so maybe that might have a factor in his decision if it were offered.

I don’t know , but from memory I don’t think any manager has ever turned down managing the National job when it has been offered. It is considered a great honour

[houseboy]

1 championship, 1 promotion, 1 european qualification.

What were the Spain Manager's tangible successes in first team football?

I haven’t a clue bud. But one thing I am sure of, success in a second tier and a one off seventh in the top flight are hardly England manager stuff are they?
I think too many on here are far too in love with Sean. Yes he was great for us, for a few years, but how many have blue sky views of him? I bet a fair number of his supporters were among those who were suggesting his time was up in the last 18 months.
Reasons for not having him?
1. Defensive football - England fans don’t like it as shown by recent heavy criticism of Southgate.
2. Sticking with under performing players for too long - something else Southgate was accused of.
3. Never been in charge of prima donna individuals to any great degree.
4. Did he tend to ‘sulk’ at certain players at Burnley (of course we will never know but it seemed so).

Maybe at some point in the future he might be the man but I personally don’t think that time is now.
For what it’s worth I was speaking to a Rover at weekend who said he thinks Dyche should be given a chance, so who knows.

[quoonbeatz]

A manager who can consistently get a team to perform at a level greater than the sum of its parts is exactly what England need. England fans are generally too entitled to go for someone like Dyche though.

[dandeclaret]

I haven’t a clue bud. But one thing I am sure of, success in a second tier and a one off seventh in the top flight are hardly England manager stuff are they?
I think too many on here are far too in love with Sean. Yes he was great for us, for a few years, but how many have blue sky views of him? I bet a fair number of his supporters were among those who were suggesting his time was up in the last 18 months.
Reasons for not having him?
1. Defensive football - England fans don’t like it as shown by recent heavy criticism of Southgate.
2. Sticking with under performing players for too long - something else Southgate was accused of.
3. Never been in charge of prima donna individuals to any great degree.
4. Did he tend to ‘sulk’ at certain players at Burnley (of course we will never know but it seemed so).

Maybe at some point in the future he might be the man but I personally don’t think that time is now.
For what it’s worth I was speaking to a Rover at weekend who said he thinks Dyche should be given a chance, so who knows.

Grand.... well, when you've checked the Spain Manager's successes, mainly in the Spanish 3rd division, and Spanish junior sides, you might get a bit of a shock.

[claretskeith]

A manager who can consistently get a team to perform at a level greater than the sum of its parts is exactly what England need. England fans are generally too entitled to go for someone like Dyche though.

"A manager who can consistently get a team to perform at a level greater than the sum of its parts"

Exactly what we don't need. Our parts are the best in the world. Foden is one of the best players in the world at his position. So is Rice. So is Bellingham. So is Stones. We have loads of them.

Dyche? I hope you are joking.

[LaLigaClaret]

"A manager who can consistently get a team to perform at a level greater than the sum of its parts"

Exactly what we don't need. Our parts are the best in the world. Foden is one of the best players in the world at his position. So is Rice. So is Bellingham. So is Stones. We have loads of them.

Dyche? I hope you are joking.

No we don't. What we have is a load of overpaid primadonna's who look better than they truly are because they play in teams packed to the gunnels with foreign players who have cost a fortune. As well as this they also play for foreign coaches. Get real how many of the squad came from our better teams ? Oh I was forgetting we had 4 from the mighty Crystal Palace, silly me.

[claretskeith]

No we don't. What we have is a load of overpaid primadonna's who look better than they truly are because they play in teams packed to the gunnels with foreign players who have cost a fortune. As well as this they also play for foreign coaches. Get real how many of the squad came from our better teams ? Oh I was forgetting we had 4 from the mighty Crystal Palace, silly me.

Foden was Man City's best player. Packed with "overpaid primadonna's who look better than they truly are" - "packed to the gunnels with foreign players who have cost a fortune"

[quoonbeatz]

"A manager who can consistently get a team to perform at a level greater than the sum of its parts"

Exactly what we don't need. Our parts are the best in the world. Foden is one of the best players in the world at his position. So is Rice. So is Bellingham. So is Stones. We have loads of them.

Dyche? I hope you are joking.

Our parts are definitely not the best in the world but if they were, they should be fine with any manager.

[houseboy]

Grand.... well, when you've checked the Spain Manager's successes, mainly in the Spanish 3rd division, and Spanish junior sides, you might get a bit of a shock.

The likelihood of me doing so is very small bud. Discussions on here are fun, not a matter of life and death. To those who always want ‘proof’ of statements I usually just have the same response. The issue of whether Dyche should be England manager or not is purely subjective and not of major importance to me. I’d prefer it not to be him for the reasons I have stated but if you have an opposing view that is fine, but I’m not about to go trawling the internet to look up the Spanish managers ‘credentials’. My opinion is not so important that I feel the need to ‘back it up’.
I do like these discussions though. It keeps boredom at bay.

[claretskeith]

Our parts are definitely not the best in the world but if they were, they should be fine with any manager.

Our parts definitely are. Not sure how anybody can think otherwise.

This is exactly why a lot of England fans have been annoyed that we haven't won anything. It's exactly because our players are so good.

[bfcjg]

And look what happened there.

You can't knock Allardyce, he was unbeaten with a 100% win record.

[LaLigaClaret]

Foden was Man City's best player. Packed with "overpaid primadonna's who look better than they truly are" - "packed to the gunnels with foreign players who have cost a fortune"

But Foden wasn't up to it for England though in Germany was he ? Oh by the way have you checked how many foreign expensive players there are at Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, Chelsea, Spurs etc yep packed to the gunnels. How many of their coaches/ managers are there ? Yep packed to the gunnels.

Perhaps we could pick a coach/manager who doesn't play players out of position, or pick them when they are injured. Perhaps we might even choose one that uses players who are in form. We might even pick one who doesn't take players when they only play a handful of half decent club games, or players that haven't just been bought expensively by one of the big 6. England managers seem to always have "world class " players who must be shoehorned in to a team even when they clearly and repeatedly don't work well together.

If you remember a certain Sir Alf Ramsey did fairly well using players who played better together than therir individual parts. I seem to remember managers like Bobby Robson did the same at Ipswch, I could labour the point but what is the point when people constantly delude themselves that we have so many world class players.

[dandeclaret]

Our parts definitely are. Not sure how anybody can think otherwise.

This is exactly why a lot of England fans have been annoyed that we haven't won anything. It's exactly because our players are so good.

That’s the entitlement that is spoken of.

No left side, no 6 to control the tempo, no balance at right back, (either can’t defend, or can’t attack)….. no point having a v8 engine on a reliant robin chassis, unless you have an engineer to get the best out of it.

[claretskeith]

But Foden wasn't up to it for England though in Germany was he ?

Yes he was. And the opposition knew it, so they planted 2-3 men on him.

[houseboy]

Yes he was. And the opposition knew it, so they planted 2-3 men on him.

Agree here. Foden was my MOTM in the final. But for him and Pickford it could have been five or six.

[Bullabill]

Yes he was. And the opposition knew it, so they planted 2-3 men on him.

So, that left 10 playing against 8 and we still couldn't win.

[LaLigaClaret]

Yes he was. And the opposition knew it, so they planted 2-3 men on him.

So that would explain all the missplaced passes then in the earlier games. As for the final, its one game, Foden didn't play at all well in the earlier games. Perhaps I misheard all the pundits and fans on tv asking for him to be replacd by Palmer or Gordon after each of the earlier games or was the constant criticism of Southgate for keep playing him something else that didn't happen either.

[LaLigaClaret]

Agree here. Foden was my MOTM in the final. But for him and Pickford it could have been five or six.

I don't really remeber Foden's defensive qualities that prevented the 5 or 6 that Spain might have got or did I miss something ?

[claret2018]

Dyche would knock any talent out of the stars we have within the first few games and have us playing dire stuff, far worse than Southgate.

[claretskeith]

So that would explain all the missplaced passes then in the earlier games. As for the final, its one game, Foden didn't play at all well in the earlier games. Perhaps I misheard all the pundits and fans on tv asking for him to be replacd by Palmer or Gordon after each of the earlier games or was the constant criticism of Southgate for keep playing him something else that didn't happen either.

In the earlier group games, he was out on the left way too much and he went missing. He's not a left winger, he's a central midfielder / number 10. And one of the best in the world in that position.

In the Netherlands game he controlled the game in the first half. Koeman made a smart move for the second half and pretty much drowned out the midfield and every time Foden was on the ball, he had 2-3 men on him. We were pretty poor in the second half and it was much more 50-50. The Spain game, they did the same thing but pressed us well.

As for the defensive qualities, Foden had to press 2 people almost at the same time due to Kane's random jogging. And Bellingham not being arsed to close players down.

[quoonbeatz]

Our parts definitely are. Not sure how anybody can think otherwise.

This is exactly why a lot of England fans have been annoyed that we haven't won anything. It's exactly because our players are so good.

They're very good but they're not the best in the world. They've just been beaten by a Spain team, most of whom you wouldn't swap for their English equivalent, but even if you think Spain's players are worse than England's, it points to them having a manager who was able to get them to perform at a greater level than the sum of their parts, which is where we understand I was right.

[Jakubclaret]

Can't be that much of a golden generation some of the fodder they just about scraped by. I'm not having it that Southgate was that bad as a reason because you don't get to the finals & semis more than once based on just luck.

[LaLigaClaret]

Can't be that much of a golden generation some of the fodder they just about scraped by. I'm not having it that Southgate was that bad as a reason because you don't get to the finals & semis more than once based on just luck.

Oh yes you do with the draw we had in those cups, virtually anyone could have managed that with the luck he had. You forgot to mention relegation from the Nations League, the 0-4 debacle to Hungary, the 0-1 loss to Iceland recently and so on. I've lost count of the number of games where we completely faded in second half of games. With our so called "world class"players we still managed to churn out, dull, charmless and mind numbingly boring performances for game after game. Beating teams that you should beat whilst wearing blindfolds in qualifiers hardly qualifies as being a great manager. His embarrassing nonsense about "taking the positives" out of dire performances was irritating and condescending. Bang average is being generous.

[Jakubclaret]

Oh yes you do with the draw we had in those cups, virtually anyone could have managed that with the luck he had. You forgot to mention relegation from the Nations League, the 0-4 debacle to Hungary, the 0-1 loss to Iceland recently and so on. I've lost count of the number of games where we completely faded in second half of games. With our so called "world class"players we still managed to churn out, dull, charmless and mind numbingly boring performances for game after game. Beating teams that you should beat whilst wearing blindfolds in qualifiers hardly qualifies as being a great manager. His embarrassing nonsense about "taking the positives" out of dire performances was irritating and condescending. Bang average is being generous.

Taking all that into account he did far better & I mean far better than the previous managers in terms of progression so I'm not sure what that says about him or the others. The luck you can say with a odd final here or there but it's far too often for it to be laced with luck. Regarding personality I'm not bothered if we have a garden gnome in the dugout as long as they do the business on the pitch & on a few occasions more so than the others we nearly pulled it off but no havana. I'll put my money where my mouth is & stake a substantial sum we ain't getting a better replacement not a hope in hell.

[houseboy]

I don't really remeber Foden's defensive qualities that prevented the 5 or 6 that Spain might have got or did I miss something ?

You missed something.