Cadiz friendly

[ŽižkovClaret]

No need to swear!
No axes involved !
Just want to watch the club I support !

I didn't realise you were a child, sorry

[Grahamjack]

We are now in the world of open communication, inclusion, transparency!!!

Does that only apply when it’s convenient!!!!

If the club don’t want anyone to travel it’s easy simply tell people!!!



I realise it maybe difficult to understand but YOUR paying customers actually want to watch and support the club!!!

Even last year !!!

[Vegas Claret]

just as an fyi, if you look up pre-season friendly scores you'll find LOADS of games cancelled the day before and the day of the game. Maybe there is a risk of that happening still at this point?

[Grahamjack]

Fair point!!!
If so is it beyond the Witt of man to explain that situation??

[Walton]

They've said from the outset not to book anything

[Grahamjack]

I haven’t booked anything!
Are you missing the point?

[Walton]

A multi million pound company can't just be giving minute-by-minute updates on something out of their hands with the sole purpose being to keep a man on a message board happy

[IanMcL]

My mates got pictures with the burnley players going into training today. They asked Brownhill where the Cadiz match is being played and he said he thinks it's somewhere near Mercia

That narrows it down! Norwich? Lincoln? Chester?

[Stockbrokerbelt]

People need to understand about outside issues that could be have an effect on the location etc. We are in extreme alert for wildfire not only in southern Spain but 80% of the country is, we are experiencing temps around 40/42 degrees, in a drought crisis with water restrictions including golf & other sports venues, all holiday areas are extremely busy. Add all these up & rules that can change weekly from local mayors, regional government & the Spanish government can be a pain but well thought out & apply to all. So it could be that the club is being sensible with its advice.

[Newcastleclaret93]

A multi million pound company can't just be giving minute-by-minute updates on something out of their hands with the sole purpose being to keep a man on a message board happy

Do you honestly believe a multi million pound company doesn’t know where there playing in 10 days or so?

Come on. Stop being so naive.

[claretonthecoast1882]

We have gone from some being unhappy that they are being ripped off by being charged £15 a game for the dearest seats in the ground to some upset that the venue hasn't been announced of a pre season training session in a foreign country so they can fly out there and watch it.

Shows how hard it is to please everyone.

[GetIntoEm]

the ones complaining aint going anyway, they don't even go to home games, unlikely to fly to Spain for a pre-season runabout

[Row x]

Do you honestly believe a multi million pound company doesn’t know where there playing in 10 days or so?

Come on. Stop being so naive.

It's quite believable really

They are out there anyway, so it makes no difference to the team, would be different if it was a one off and they needed to arrange flights, hotels etc

[Newcastleclaret93]

It's quite believable really

They are out there anyway, so it makes no difference to the team, would be different if it was a one off and they needed to arrange flights, hotels etc

It’s not as simple as just rocking up.

Clubs like ours with 100m pounds of assets will have security protocols to follow etc…. The club will know the venue by now and will be sorting all the relevant risk profiles etc….

[Row x]

It’s not as simple as just rocking up.

Clubs like ours with 100m pounds of assets will have security protocols to follow etc…. The club will know the venue by now and will be sorting all the relevant risk profiles etc….

Security protocols?
Risk profiles?

I think you are thinking too deep

[Spike]

It’s not as simple as just rocking up.

Clubs like ours with 100m pounds of assets will have security protocols to follow etc…. The club will know the venue by now and will be sorting all the relevant risk profiles etc….

And isn’t it tax advantageous to play a game then it’s not viewed as a holiday

Is there any other club in the Football League who has played all their games behind closed doors?

[Row x]

And isn’t it tax advantageous to play a game then it’s not viewed as a holiday

Is there any other club in the Football League who has played all their games behind closed doors?

Turf moor is not ready, so home games are out of the question

It looks like we've been playing different formats, such as two 75 min games side by side, rolling subs etc, which they couldn't do in a public game

Whatever the reason, the magement see it as beneficial to the teams build up to the season, which must be the most important consideration

[jdrobbo]

There seems to be many arguments going on at once here.

Understandably, those who travel all over to watch their club, are a little frustrated that they are left hanging.

There are those who very much in favour of change and accept anything that the club says as gospel. No problem.

The problem is, for many, the club no longer says very much. It’s a communication issue. I don’t think the discussion would be half as heated as it is if the club had simply put out a statement saying exactly why it might be difficult for fans to travel, that they don’t recommend waiting for details and that there is even the possibility that the game will be played behind closed doors. If protocol around the weather and training venue are of concern, then inform fans of this as well. None of this is top level secret stuff.

Had Vincent Kompany Still been manager, we all know that Burnley would have played Hoffenheim in a preseason friendly. I know for a fact that the fans advisory board were told this news and some of them chose to share it (their right) yet none of them chose to ask if fans would be welcome at the game and where the game would be played. Some of them booked flights for August 2nd and 3rd. Yet the game wasn’t going to be played in Hoffenheim; it was unlikely to even be played in Germany! Had VK been manager, and had that game gone ahead, it would have caused a lot of frustration for fans trying to get there. Because he moved on to Bayern Munich, that fixture was changed and all of those potential logistical issues were swept under the new manager’s carpet.

This is all about communication. Whether good or bad, It’s usually much better to keep people informed. Continually kicking a can down the road on certain issues just winds sections of paying customers up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Security protocols?
Risk profiles?

I think you are thinking too deep

I know clubs at a much lower level have to complete full security reviews of all the destinations of the club and this process can take weeks (especially if the club has never been to that arena before).

So I imagine a club at our scale has to complete considerably more thorough risk assessments and safety reviews.

I don’t for one minute think the club doesn’t know.

But I also imagine the main reason they can’t disclose this info is due to an agreement with Cadiz

[ŽižkovClaret]

There seems to be many arguments going on at once here.

Understandably, those who travel all over to watch their club, are a little frustrated that they are left hanging.

There are those who very much in favour of change and accept anything that the club says as gospel. No problem.

The problem is, for many, the club no longer says very much. It’s a communication issue. I don’t think the discussion would be half as heated as it is if the club had simply put out a statement saying exactly why it might be difficult for fans to travel, that they don’t recommend waiting for details and that there is even the possibility that the game will be played behind closed doors. If protocol around the weather and training venue are of concern, then inform fans of this as well. None of this is top level secret stuff.

Had Vincent Kompany Still been manager, we all know that Burnley would have played Hoffenheim in a preseason friendly. I know for a fact that the fans advisory board were told this news and some of them chose to share it (their right) yet none of them chose to ask if fans would be welcome at the game and where the game would be played. Some of them booked flights for August 2nd and 3rd. Yet the game wasn’t going to be played in Hoffenheim; it was unlikely to even be played in Germany! Had VK been manager, and had that game gone ahead, it would have caused a lot of frustration for fans trying to get there. Because he moved on to Bayern Munich, that fixture was changed and all of those potential logistical issues were swept under the new manager’s carpet.

This is all about communication. Whether good or bad, It’s usually much better to keep people informed. Continually kicking a can down the road on certain issues just winds sections of paying customers up.

The club said they would play a friendly with Cadiz, they don't know where, and as such recommended that fans don't book travel until confirmed.

AFAIK none of that has changed.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, as we have seen with the FAB/others letting slip about Hoffenheim, and a few may be finding themselves with a football free weekend in Germany. TBF there are worse places to spend a weekend.

I honestly think the club are doing it the right way and i'm sure if and when they can confirm the details, they will.

Some people think they are entitled to know far more than they actually are, and get pissy when they aren't privy to information, especially where they may have been treated to little snippets by previous regimes.

Like it or not, the club is a business, and we, the fans are paying customers. We get told what the club wants us to know, when they want us to know.

In my line of work, we may have a few customers who get the inside track, often because we allow them to beta test, everyone else gets info when we are good and ready to release it.

[ClaretTony]

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, as we have seen with the FAB/others letting slip about Hoffenheim, and a few may be finding themselves with a football free weekend in Germany. TBF there are worse places to spend a weekend.

And we might have been set to play Hoffenheim until Kompany's pre-season plans were scrapped, but we weren't playing the game in Hoffenheim.

[Big Vinny K]

It’s not as simple as just rocking up.

Clubs like ours with 100m pounds of assets will have security protocols to follow etc…. The club will know the venue by now and will be sorting all the relevant risk profiles etc….

You seem to be mistaking the club for some multi million pound professional type business organisation

Maybe give the ticket office a ring and you’ll soon discover where we sit in the corporate world…..my guess it’s somewhere between Oobidoo and Joyce’s Big Baps Cafe

[criminalclaret]

Club: "We are playing a friendly, we don't know the details, FANS URGED PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY TRAVEL PLANS"

Members of this board: "Bloody ridiculous, can't organise a pi$$up in a brewery / These bloody Yanks ruining our club / Messing fans about yet again, disgraceful. etc etc"

They gave a statement and haven't deviated from it. Given the state of flux at the club over the last few months, with management and players, having an open door friendly was possible the least of anyones worries. For all we know, Parker could have said he needs extra time and training sessions with the players and that he doesn't want open doors. We also have no idea what other clubs involved in the friendlies want open or closed doors.

I couldn't care less about some half arsed training sessions in a glorified sports centre played in a desert in Spain just to go on a jolly.

[Row x]

Club: "We are playing a friendly, we don't know the details, FANS URGED PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY TRAVEL PLANS"

Members of this board: "Bloody ridiculous, can't organise a pi$$up in a brewery / These bloody Yanks ruining our club / Messing fans about yet again, disgraceful. etc etc"

They gave a statement and haven't deviated from it. Given the state of flux at the club over the last few months, with management and players, having an open door friendly was possible the least of anyones worries. For all we know, Parker could have said he needs extra time and training sessions with the players and that he doesn't want open doors. We also have no idea what other clubs involved in the friendlies want open or closed doors.

I couldn't care less about some half arsed training sessions in a glorified sports centre played in a desert in Spain just to go on a jolly.

Absolutely correct

Newcastle definitely requested behind closed doors, for reasons already stated

[Silkyskills1]

I know clubs at a much lower level have to complete full security reviews of all the destinations of the club and this process can take weeks (especially if the club has never been to that arena before).

So I imagine a club at our scale has to complete considerably more thorough risk assessments and safety reviews.

I don’t for one minute think the club doesn’t know.

But I also imagine the main reason they can’t disclose this info is due to an agreement with Cadiz

What level of risk assessment do you think was taken for Birmingham's visit of Rangers this week?
Months of planning perhaps?

[claretonthecoast1882]

Club: "We are playing a friendly, we don't know the details, FANS URGED PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY TRAVEL PLANS"

Members of this board: "Bloody ridiculous, can't organise a pi$$up in a brewery / These bloody Yanks ruining our club / Messing fans about yet again, disgraceful. etc etc"

They gave a statement and haven't deviated from it. Given the state of flux at the club over the last few months, with management and players, having an open door friendly was possible the least of anyones worries. For all we know, Parker could have said he needs extra time and training sessions with the players and that he doesn't want open doors. We also have no idea what other clubs involved in the friendlies want open or closed doors.

I couldn't care less about some half arsed training sessions in a glorified sports centre played in a desert in Spain just to go on a jolly.

There is no place for your common sense on here, but perfectly put

[GetIntoEm]

I've booked 6 flights to Seville, what am i supposed to do now?

The communication from the club is dreadful, i have never felt so disconnected.

[Row x]

Details now on website

[Holtyclaret]

Let’s not move on !!! Let’s hope that the communication from our US owner is all it’s cracked up to be!!!

JJ watts et all!!!!!! You gone very quiet!!!!!

I would welcome a nice sangria with you!!!

The club I have supported for 50years!!!

Pull your finger out !!! FFS

Give something back

What would you like them to communicate to you?

(Taking for granted that a venue still hasn’t been agreed)

EDIT. Just confirmed

[criminalclaret]

What would you like them to communicate to you?

Mate some people here are the kinda of people who just moan for long enough at one topic until the next topic comes up and they move onto that and forget why they were moaning at the first topic. Some have limited cognitive ability.

On another note, I was absolute correct in it being a sport center in the middle of a desert in Spain. It's a warmer Marl Pitts basically.

[GetIntoEm]

i think someone needs to calm down before they travel to spain, or might find themselves on the end of a boot at the airport

[1989_claret]

Glad i did Genk and Betis last season and wasn't bothered about this one.

[ChristheViking]

Hopefully today’s news allows those who build their lives around pre-season friendlies to stay on the ledge……

[claretonthecoast1882]

Mate some people here are the kinda of people who just moan for long enough at one topic until the next topic comes up and they move onto that and forget why they were moaning at the first topic. Some have limited cognitive ability.

On another note, I was absolute correct in it being a sport center in the middle of a desert in Spain. It's a warmer Marl Pitts basically.

The moaning will now be it's too expensive to get there, it's too hot, it's in the middle of nowhere.....

[Grahamjack]

If anyone is booking a trip out there can you let me know what your plans are likely to be.

Myself and my son will be travelling just wondered if there is a sensible place to aim for to meet for a few beers

[Burnley1989]

What would you like them to communicate to you?

(Taking for granted that a venue still hasn’t been agreed)

EDIT. Just confirmed

Its embarrassing mate

[Holtyclaret]

Its embarrassing mate

What is pal?

[Burnley1989]

What is pal?

The overreaction from fans to a training match, they take it far too personal.
Those blaming Pace for it are even funnier, we've even had JJ Watt mentioned ,

We've a new manager I'm sure all preparations have had to be rushed and altered

[Newcastleclaret93]

What level of risk assessment do you think was taken for Birmingham's visit of Rangers this week?
Months of planning perhaps?

If you don’t want to believe what I’m saying don’t haha.

I know people that work at a lower league club and they explained to me the process that goes into organising away days. It’s not just as simple as sorting flights and hotels. The security stuff is a massive part.

[Row x]

If you don’t want to believe what I’m saying don’t haha.

I know people that work at a lower league club and they explained to me the process that goes into organising away days. It’s not just as simple as sorting flights and hotels. The security stuff is a massive part.

I've seen the process involved for Burnley away games in this country, granted it was a few years ago now, but in the Premier league era, and it was nothing like you describe.

[Silkyskills1]

If you don’t want to believe what I’m saying don’t haha.

I know people that work at a lower league club and they explained to me the process that goes into organising away days. It’s not just as simple as sorting flights and hotels. The security stuff is a massive part.

I haven't said I don't believe you. Between 7,000 and 10,000 Rangers fans in Birmingham earlier in the week apparently. Therefore I'm inclined to think, based on your inside knowledge of preparations for away trips, that an inordinate amount of time and effort must have occurred over a very long time to enable the 'friendly' to happen. Would you expect similar levels of security checks for our away trips?

[Row x]

I haven't said I don't believe you. Between 7,000 and 10,000 Rangers fans in Birmingham earlier in the week apparently. Therefore I'm inclined to think, based on your inside knowledge of preparations for away trips, that an inordinate amount of time and effort must have occurred over a very long time to enable the 'friendly' to happen. Would you expect similar levels of security checks for our away trips?

There will have been work done because of the influx of fans, but not weeks of security processes around the team which Newcastle suggests, most teams don't even get a police escort in and out of town nowadays (villa can vouch for that). You might get a couple of stewards on the gate when they arrive at the ground, but other than that I'm not sure what security checks he thinks takes months of planning