Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Rileybobs]

I don’t know how Parker is going to set us up, or what style of play he will adopt. But in our last season at this level we played a high possession game against teams who generally played a low block, and despite our success there were a lot of matches where we struggled to break the other team down. We often relied on either a line-breaking pass from THB, a long diagonal from THB, or a forward run from Beyer to create openings. O’Shea and Esteve are both comfortably good enough for this level, but do they offer enough on the ball?

[Robbie_painter]

I don’t know how Parker is going to set us up, or what style of play he will adopt. But in our last season at this level we played a high possession game against teams who generally played a low block, and despite our success there were a lot of matches where we struggled to break the other team down. We often relied on either a line-breaking pass from THB, a long diagonal from THB, or a forward run from Beyer to create openings. O’Shea and Esteve are both comfortably good enough for this level, but do they offer enough on the ball?

Cool story bro

[Goliath]

Cool story bro

How old are you?

[Jakubclaret]

Far too many people seem to be overthinking about parker & strategies & formations. He's only been here 2 mins (not literally) let him have a do. It's a new start in a new league (from last season anyhow) with a part new team that within itself is exciting. Last season the trafford/muric or the nauseating hard luck stories at the back of most defeats moving away from that is fresh air.

[mybloodisclaret]

How old are you?

He is about 46.

[Quickenthetempo]

I don’t know how Parker is going to set us up, or what style of play he will adopt. But in our last season at this level we played a high possession game against teams who generally played a low block, and despite our success there were a lot of matches where we struggled to break the other team down. We often relied on either a line-breaking pass from THB, a long diagonal from THB, or a forward run from Beyer to create openings. O’Shea and Esteve are both comfortably good enough for this level, but do they offer enough on the ball?

Hopefully Parker will work on the final ball. We seem to have bought very attacking full backs to help.

Plus O Shea headed 5 goals from corners in the prem. Could offset the goals THB played a part in.

[NewClaret]

I don’t know how Parker is going to set us up, or what style of play he will adopt. But in our last season at this level we played a high possession game against teams who generally played a low block, and despite our success there were a lot of matches where we struggled to break the other team down. We often relied on either a line-breaking pass from THB, a long diagonal from THB, or a forward run from Beyer to create openings. O’Shea and Esteve are both comfortably good enough for this level, but do they offer enough on the ball?

I think most people know my views that THB wasn’t as good on the ball as people say. The number of times his long range passes went out of play used to infuriate me. I wasn’t a massive fan of his ball playing ability and am pretty sure our stats with/without him that season would show our performances and results improved when he was injured and AAD/Ekdal played alongside Beyer.

As much as I loved Beyer, and his weavy runs in to midfield, they too annoyed me because most of them resulted in a rushed 5 yard sideways pass, pinged at the player because he’d slightly overrun the ball. I think they did a marvellous job at disrupting the low block and creating overloads but we’re far less effective than if he’d got his head up sooner and chipped/slid a ball in behind the defence or out to the wings.

I honestly can’t remember many goals coming from either, but I’m sure some did.

I do remember O’Shea pinging a wonderful diag to set up a goal towards the end of last season though and noticed him trying it more and more as the season went on. I think he’ll be fine. Not so sure about Esteve, but equally I don’t think we concede many of the goals we conceded in the first ten games last Championship season (or lose 5-2 or Sheffield) with them at the back.

[NewClaret]

Hopefully Parker will work on the final ball. We seem to have bought very attacking full backs to help.

Plus O Shea headed 5 goals from corners in the prem. Could offset the goals THB played a part in.

THB = 1 goal, 2 assists in the Championship in a Championship winning side

DO’S = 3 goals, 4 assists in the Premier League in a relegated side

I think O’Shea will be immense next year if we can keep him this summer.

[NewClaret]

The key to our promotion is O'Shea and Esteve at cb, Beyer sitting in front and 2 raiding full backs. We just have to tighten up defensively from last year's xxxx show.

I agree that an O’Shea and Esteve CB partnership will be key to promotion.

But we could play McNally & Delroix at the back and they’d be good enough against the majority of Championship sides; our defensive issues last year were the quality of the attackers who are many many levels above anything we’ll have to face next year.

[Commy]

Not sure how reliable this lot are but saying offer in for Berge and he wants to go,

https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/26/clu ... go/653706/

[Vegas Claret]

O'Shea was as calamitous as anything I've seen at Burnley the first half of the season.

I take it you were lucky enough to miss us in the 80's ? !

[Quicknick]

O'Shea and Esteve at the back. They are the best two on the books.

[Clive 1960]

O'Shea and Esteve at the back. They are the best two on the books.

Beyer for me in the Championship if he's overcome his injuries..

[Hipper]

O'Shea offers leadership qualities too, something we lack. Berge doesn't offer this. I agree he's a talent but if we have got to make big money then I'd rather see him go and allow our mercurial other players to develop - if they can.

[BigGaz]

I take it you were lucky enough to miss us in the 80's ? !

Mercifully

[123EasyasBFC]

Not sure how reliable this lot are but saying offer in for Berge and he wants to go,

https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/26/clu ... go/653706/

If the source from the article is Turkish they are going to say he wants to join them. But also course he would want to go, champs league football and play under Jose. However Berge strikes me as a player that won’t kick up a fuss, if they don’t pay what we want he will get on with his job for us

[beddie]

Trippier rumoured to be leaving. Would he team up with Dyche.

[Rick_Muller]

Trippier rumoured to be leaving. Would he team up with Dyche.

I’d think that’s nailed on if it’s a free

[mdd2]

I think Tripps can oil his wallet if he wants

[Murger]

Tripps can do better than Everton.

[mybloodisclaret]

Not sure how reliable this lot are but saying offer in for Berge and he wants to go,

https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/26/clu ... go/653706/

Absolutely can't stand turkey clubs, fans and media. The whole Wout situation was enough to put anyone off. Remember their fans on socials demanding we sign the contract. Also recall being called a farmers team. Really hope he doesn't go there. Also can they afford 20 mill plus? I'd be surprised.

[ClaretAndJew]

To be fair I'd think the pull of Mourinho rather than it being a Turkish team is what will make him want to leave.

[Swizzlestick]

Trippier rumoured to be leaving. Would he team up with Dyche.

He was spotted flying off to the Far East apparently so could be another Saudi league signing.

[NickBFC]

He was spotted flying off to the Far East apparently so could be another Saudi league signing.

Thought he wanted to finish his career at Burnley....

[willsclarets]

Beyer found out last season and O’Shea looked better when Beyer was ruled out. With the defenders we currently have I’d start with O’Shea & Estève.

Beyer played 15 games at the start of the season when everyone struggled more. With a run of fitness i don't doubt Beyer wouldve finished more strongly. O shea took a while to bed in, and benefitted feom Muric coming in too. All opinions of course, but mine is Beyer is a far better footballer than o shea

[jrgbfc]

Might be Trippiers mrs who prefers a move to Saudi. Harder for him to misbehave out there after some of the stories last season. And the money of course!

[fatboy47]

Beyer played 15 games at the start of the season when everyone struggled more. With a run of fitness i don't doubt Beyer wouldve finished more strongly. O shea took a while to bed in, and benefitted feom Muric coming in too. All opinions of course, but mine is Beyer is a far better footballer than o shea

Tend to agree...O'Shea is a genuine grafter but a fully fit Beyer looks a real cultured player in comparison.

[ClaretTony]

Beyer played 15 games at the start of the season when everyone struggled more. With a run of fitness i don't doubt Beyer wouldve finished more strongly. O shea took a while to bed in, and benefitted feom Muric coming in too. All opinions of course, but mine is Beyer is a far better footballer than o shea

It's all opinion of course but people are seeing far more in Beyer than I do. Yes, he did well in the Championship when we didn't have a lot of defending to do, but I found him seriously wanting when it came to defending last season in the Premier League. But, in fairness, he wasn't the only one, I don't think our team was sent out with any clue how to defend.

[Swizzlestick]

Yeah slightly harsh on Beyer I think. O’Shea had similarly chaotic showings but did grow into the team. Beyer didn’t really have the same opportunity to establish himself, but that in itself is a problem as he appears to be made out of balsa wood. I think he is, on a technical level, the better defender though and he was part of a lot of the positive football we showed in the promotion season.

[ClaretTony]

YI think he is, on a technical level, the better defender

I'd agree that he's a better technical player than O'Shea but not defending.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Hard to judge Beyer last season he never looked fully fit when he did eventually play.

[warksclaret]

Think it says a lot about O Shea's temperament that he had several awful performances in the first half of the season, but grew stronger as the season went on. Many would have faded out of the team.Our best defender

[NewClaret]

To be fair I'd think the pull of Mourinho rather than it being a Turkish team is what will make him want to leave.

Is Mourinho even a pull anymore?

I’d have thought he was more viewed as a busted flush.

[agreenwood]

Said it before, but the Turkish record incoming transfer was for a similar fee to what we paid for Berge last summer. That record was set over 20 years ago.

I’ll be amazed if any Turkish club can afford him.

[taio]

Said it before, but the Turkish record incoming transfer was for a similar fee to what we paid for Berge last summer. That record was set over 20 years ago.

I’ll be amazed if any Turkish club can afford him.

Fenerbahce have just signed a player for €19.5m

[Stan Tastic]

O'Shea was the second fastest defender in the PL last season ( van de Ven of Spurs was the fastest) and his pace is vital if we're playing a high line.

[Jakubs Tash]

O'Shea was the second fastest defender in the PL last season ( van de Ven of Spurs was the fastest) and his pace is vital if we're playing a high line.

Again, I would suggest that we are very lucky that all of O’Shea, Beyer, Esteve and Al Dakhil can all shift at pace which helps massively when you’re playing so high up the pitch.

[Big Vinny K]

Said it before, but the Turkish record incoming transfer was for a similar fee to what we paid for Berge last summer. That record was set over 20 years ago.

I’ll be amazed if any Turkish club can afford him.

I’d be amazed if they can’t afford him.

No way would Mourinho go to a club who aren’t prepared to spend either - he’s spent at virtually every club he’s ever managed.

The other thing is that Turkish clubs do pay big wages. Again Mourinho will be on a big wage himself but look what Zaha was on at Palace when he turned down their offer of a renewed contract to go and play there.

The price point and wages for someone like Berge seem to me to align with the Turkish league at the moment. He’s probably on too much money to go to the bottom half clubs in the Italian, French, Spanish and German leagues and on far too much to go to the top Dutch, Belgium etc clubs. The Turkish league seems to fill the void for these kind of players who have Premier League contracts

[Roosterbooster]

I'd agree that he's a better technical player than O'Shea but not defending.

Overall I agree, but O'Shae still made lots of errors last season. His pace helps to recover. And this season won't be as taxing. But they weren't necessarily errors due to the quality of the opposition. He got better throughout the season, but I think the massively noticeable improvement helped somewhat to protect him from his careless later errors

I'd argue that in the Championship, Beyer would be a better choice

[CrosspoolClarets]

Not sure why we are debating O’Shea and Beyer on the transfers thread but I tend to agree with all the posts on it, and in hindsight we had a manager who was one of the best ever defenders in the Premier League but who didn’t appear to have a clue how to get his players to defend. I suspect he couldn’t get his head around why “ordinary” players couldn’t do the kind of covering he had to, and his team had left too much space for opponents.

With that in mind both players need a fresh appraisal under a new manager, and both are good in differing ways.

[claretspice]

Once O'Shea adapted to playing a very high line without a full back tucking round, he was as close to excellent as any of our players last season, particularly once he finally had a regular partner in Esteve who had similarly adapted to the ambitious requirements placed upon him by Kompany’s system. Once you allow for the fact the system provided no margin for error, i dont think he made any more material errors than youd typically expect of a defender playing for Burnley in the Premier League and he was certainly the least error prone of our defenders. Would expect him to be our of the first names on the teamsheet next season and certainly I think he's a better defender than Beyer (particularly physically) and a more complete passer from deep, even if he's not quite as elegant. And whilst his head dropped at times, he was also one of our more vocal leaders. One to build around for me, probably more do than someone like Berge who has a higher ceiling and so is more obviously saleable.

[warksclaret]

When you look at the quality of the players Ipswich have brought in since promotion, then compare it to the ones VK brought in after our promotion, then you start to see why our season was such a failure-even getting less points than Luton. And I bet they have spent less than we did 12 months ago

[claretspice]

When you look at the quality of the players Ipswich have brought in since promotion, then compare it to the ones VK brought in after our promotion, then you start to see why our season was such a failure-even getting less points than Luton. And I bet they have spent less than we did 12 months ago

I think we should judge that once we've seen the players they bought operating in the Premier League personally.

[Goliath]

Once O'Shea adapted to playing a very high line without a full back tucking round, he was as close to excellent as any of our players last season, particularly once he finally had a regular partner in Esteve who had similarly adapted to the ambitious requirements placed upon him by Kompany’s system. Once you allow for the fact the system provided no margin for error, i dont think he made any more material errors than youd typically expect of a defender playing for Burnley in the Premier League and he was certainly the least error prone of our defenders. Would expect him to be our of the first names on the teamsheet next season and certainly I think he's a better defender than Beyer (particularly physically) and a more complete passer from deep, even if he's not quite as elegant. And whilst his head dropped at times, he was also one of our more vocal leaders.

Playing all 3 is a distinct possibility. Especially if Sambo and Pires turn out to be good attacking full backs.
Not sure if Parker has ever gone 3 at the back but this looks a decent side

.......Beyer...O'Shea...Esteve

Sambo.....Berge(new)...Cullen...Pires

....Benson...................Koleosho/Zaroury

....................Foster

[Jakubs Tash]

When you look at the quality of the players Ipswich have brought in since promotion, then compare it to the ones VK brought in after our promotion, then you start to see why our season was such a failure-even getting less points than Luton. And I bet they have spent less than we did 12 months ago

I can’t help but think that the signings Ipswich have brought in are just good championship players - and they have spent a few quid doing it too. I’m not sure their team is that much better now than when they finished the season.

As we saw, the gap between the Premier League and Championship is huge and I think Ipswich will find this out the hard way.

[claretspice]

Playing all 3 is a distinct possibility. Especially if Sambo and Pires turn out to be good attacking full backs.
Not sure if Parker has ever gone 3 at the back but this looks a decent side

.......Beyer...O'Shea...Esteve

Sambo.....Berge(new)...Cullen...Pires

....Benson...................Koleosho/Zaroury

....................Foster

That is certainly a possibility. Parker used a back 3 at Fulham in the Premier League I think although not his preferred system. However I think there's an argument for selling Beyer, particularly if funds are needed to fund incomings.

[Goliath]

That is certainly a possibility. Parker used a back 3 at Fulham in the Premier League I think although not his preferred system. However I think there's an argument for selling Beyer, particularly if funds are needed to fund incomings.

There's also an argument for him being our first choice right back as well and selling Roberts/Vitinho

[Hanoverusaclaret]

Beyer played 15 games at the start of the season when everyone struggled more. With a run of fitness i don't doubt Beyer wouldve finished more strongly. O shea took a while to bed in, and benefitted feom Muric coming in too. All opinions of course, but mine is Beyer is a far better footballer than o shea

Beyer was found out physically in the Prem. Neither big enough nor strong enough to play in the center at that level (part of the reason Borussia M pushed him to fullback I would guess) He is fantastic at Championship level, but I don't see how he would fit in unless we play a back 5 with wingbacks.
If we play a back 4, O'Shea and Esteve are by far the better combo. It looks like we have an embarrassment of riches at Championship level. I'd rate them in the following order: O'Shea, Esteve, Beyer, Ekdal, McNally, AAD, and Delcroix. All are good enough at Championship level. We probably need to move a couple of those out. I'd send AAD on loan and cash in on McNally who has a good value after proving himself on loan, and possibly Ekdal who is fantastic but very injury prone. Delcroix's versatility helps but he might be a bit of a luxury as someone who will hardly play.

[agreenwood]

Fenerbahce have just signed a player for €19.5m

Fair enough. So the question becomes how likely it is that they break a record that has stood for 20+ years twice in one window?

[matttheclaret]

Fair enough. So the question becomes how likely it is that they break a record that has stood for 20+ years twice in one window?

Another question though is how likely is Mourinho to go to a club where this isn't good money to spend? Would go against all other jobs he's had