Andy Murray

[IanMcL]

How on earth do you know that ?
Have you seen her injury record these last few years ?

Of course when they agreed there would have been a chance that either one of them would pull out with an injury - and Murray was every bit of likely to be the one to pull out as Radacanu.

Players like Murray and Radacanu are surrounded by huge teams of advisors, physios etc. Radacanu is at a very different point of her career than Murray. If there was any risk that playing in a pretty meaningless mixed doubles game would impact her singles performance or result in injury then there is no way that her or her team would take that risk. With Murray he is right at the end of his fantastic career and clearly not that bothered that he was playing in the mixed doubles already injured himself.

I know you would probably ask why did she agree to play the mixed doubles in the first place ? Pretty simple answer is because she thought she could cope with the singles and the mixed doubles when she agreed to it. But let’s not pretend which we don’t know which was her priority - in exactly the same way it would have been for Andy Murray if the position was reversed.

If she had such thoughts, she should have just said no. She is out now and no mixed.

There are many champions who would have said yes to have the honour and yet he asked her. The least she could do is honour the commitment.

[Goliath]

If she had such thoughts, she should have just said no. She is out now and no mixed.

There are many champions who would have said yes to have the honour and yet he asked her. The least she could do is honour the commitment.

Agreed. I think she managed to burst her own bubble.with the decision as well.

[tarkys_ears]

Bless. Hopefully those Porsche endorsements keep coming in...

[Caballo]

What a huge shame. Radacanu has a little stiffness in her wrist, so ends Andy Murray's career in an instant.

That is appalling. She agreed to play with him and is mot injured. Her almost partner and all the champions, play with pain and injury. Dropping out for stiffness is snubbing a legend without reason.

Irregardless of whether she progessed any further, (which we now know she didn't) its not her job to give AM his swansong. Perhaps if Jamie hadn't played like he'd never held a tennis racket in their doubles he'd still have some court time left.

[IanMcL]

its not her job to give AM his swansong.

Agree. It was an honour bestowed on her, which she could have declined, in favour of every other woman of note. Instead she ballsed it up.

[Caballo]

Agree. It was an honour bestowed on her, which she could have declined, in favour of every other woman of note. Instead she ballsed it up.

Or, she was advised by her medical team on the day. Are we pretending AM has never withdrawn from a match? I think your tartan tinted glasses might be clouding your view on this one Ian.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Agree. It was an honour bestowed on her, which she could have declined, in favour of every other woman of note. Instead she ballsed it up.

Maybe your anger should be aimed at Andy his brother. They got pumped all over the court in the men's doubles perhaps they should have performed better if having one more appearance was so desperately wanted by jocks and his mum

[IanMcL]

Maybe your anger should be aimed at Andy his brother. They got pumped all over the court in the men's doubles perhaps they should have performed better if having one more appearance was so desperately wanted by jocks and his mum

That is both offensive and not the point of the discussion.

[Goliath]

Or, she was advised by her medical team on the day. Are we pretending AM has never withdrawn from a match? I think your tartan tinted glasses might be clouding your view on this one Ian.

Is that the same medical team she ignored when accepting the invitation? Either accept it and play or turn it down. What she's ended up doing is ruining Murray's farewell and hurting her own reputation at the same time.
I must say even her response to it in her interviews after yesterday's game come across as pretty poor to me. She doesn't give a toss about ruining his farewell in the slightest. Very selfish.

[quoonbeatz]

2 things here:

Murray got the best send off he could have wished for, playing his last match with his brother on centre0 court with all the faff that followed. They all knew it was unlikely the mixed game would happen, otherwise they wouldn't have done all that - his mum's reaction tells you that.

Ian wouldn't give a toss about this if Murry wasn't Scottish.

[IanMcL]

2 things here:


Ian wouldn't give a toss about this if Murry wasn't Scottish.

Yes I would. I like to see people treated with the respect they have earned.

[quoonbeatz]

Yrs I would. I like to see people treated with the respect they have earned.

Well you won't get a more respectful end to a glittering career than Murray got the other night so I'm not sure that's true.

[Tresor'sTracksuit]

Ian isn't even Scottish

[kentonclaret]

Gratifying to see that nobody on this thread appears to have ever accepted an invitation or made an on the spot decision that they later regretted.
It takes more courage sometimes to change your mind and reverse your decision than to go through with it and regret it afterwards.
A shame that Sue Barker had retired otherwise Andy could have partnered up with her for his swan song.

[claretonthecoast1882]

That is both offensive and not the point of the discussion.

Every part of it is true.

What are you thoughts on why Andy pulled out the singles but was able to play doubles with his brother ? You seem unable to get this bit.

[Steve1956]

Judy Murray is a pain in the arse...always one step behind her son,I'm sure Murrays wife gets really plssed off with her popping up at every game he plays....pity she didn't show as much interest in her other son.
Can't stand Andy Murray or his overbearing mother.

[IanMcL]

Every part of it is true.

What are you thoughts on why Andy pulled out the singles but was able to play doubles with his brother ? You seem unable to get this bit.

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[IanMcL]

I see that Radacanu defeat speech included an answer about mixed doubles.
"A pity because I wanted to do it"

What about, "I am so sorry to have spoilt the chance for Andy, in his last Wimbledon. I really wanted to be there to share the moments with him"

[Corway]

Sir Andy
The best (Scottish and ) British tennis player since Fred Perry in 1941 when only amateurs competed. No other man has won consecutive gold medals at the Olympics. His teenage awkwardness, gauche appearance and honesty irritated some, the pressure on him to win Wimbledon was immense but after his first gold medal he gained confidence of being a winner. In the top 4 for 8 years and top 10 for 9 till he damaged his hip. His dedication to tennis under his mother’s coaching, with a split knee cap and getting back to play after a new hip joint was incredible. He has matured into an advocate for women’s rights and family man, his dry sense of often self deprecating humour better appreciated.
His $65m earnings give him the last laugh. I hope he enjoys life to the full now and he gets a statue at Wimbledon.

[claretonthecoast1882]

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Therein lies the problem when you are blinkered.

[ŽižkovClaret]

The greatest British sportsman of all time and a fantastic person at the same time.

Greatest British sportsman feels like a stretch

[Dyched]

That is both offensive and not the point of the discussion.

It kind of is.

He withdrew from the singles because he wasn’t “fit” but would happily play in both the mens and mixed doubles.

At what point would he be “unfit” again if he advanced through in both of the doubles?

It’s quite obvious he’s nowhere near the level to compete anymore (due to injuries) and that’s okay. But he wanted to be dragged along by both his brother and Emma.

Back to the first point. He didn’t play the singles because he wouldn’t want to be battered on centre court. Irony now is, he’d have had a far better send off into retirement doing that and doing what he’s known for. Playing singles .

[Goliath]

It kind of is.

He withdrew from the singles because he wasn’t “fit” but would happily play in both the mens and mixed doubles.

At what point would he be “unfit” again if he advanced through in both of the doubles?

It’s quite obvious he’s nowhere near the level to compete anymore (due to injuries) and that’s okay. But he wanted to be dragged along by both his brother and Emma.

Back to the first point. He didn’t play the singles because he wouldn’t want to be battered on centre court. Irony now is, he’d have had a far better send off into retirement doing that and doing what he’s known for. Playing singles .

Nowhere near the level? He won at Queens literally a few weeks ago and was playing some brilliant tennis a few months ago when he did his ankle.
From what I read the recovery to the surgery to remove the cyst should have taken 5 weeks and he tried to do it in 10 days so no wonder he was struggling a bit. The idea was that it would have continuously improved throughout the tournament.

Personally i hope this shamble pushes this to having a go at the US open, it seems silly not to play it when he should be perfectly fit to do so.

[taio]

Nowhere near the level? He won at Queens literally a few weeks ago and was playing some brilliant tennis a few months ago when he did his ankle.
From what I read the recovery to the surgery to remove the cyst should have taken 5 weeks and he tried to do it in 10 days so no wonder he was struggling a bit. The idea was that it would have continuously improved throughout the tournament.

Personally i hope this shamble pushes this to having a go at the US open, it seems silly not to play it when he should be perfectly fit to do so.

He's clearly no longer able to perform at the level required because of his age and injuries. He's said that himself and that's why his career will soon be over.

[Goliath]

He's clearly no longer able to perform at the level required because of his age and injuries. He's said that himself and that's why his career will soon be over.

He hasn't said that. He said the other day he has no doubt he could still win matches at this level. His body is the issue and stops him being able to do it as consistently as he'd like.

[taio]

He hasn't said that. He said the other day he has no doubt he could still win matches at this level. His body is the issue and stops him being able to do it as consistently as he'd like.

I literally said his body (i.e. age and injuries) was the issue.

Direct quote from Murray:

"I'm ready to finish playing. I don't want that to be the case. I would love to play, like I said, forever. But, today, even though it was a doubles match where physically it's obviously not as demanding, it's still really hard for me.

I'm ready to finish playing because I can't play to the level that I would want to anymore. I know that it's time now. Yeah, I'm ready for that."

[Goliath]

I literally said his body (i.e. age and injuries) was the issue.

Direct quote from Murray:

"I'm ready to finish playing. I don't want that to be the case. I would love to play, like I said, forever. But, today, even though it was a doubles match where physically it's obviously not as demanding, it's still really hard for me.

I'm ready to finish playing because I can't play to the level that I would want to anymore. I know that it's time now. Yeah, I'm ready for that."

I was taking issue with someone else's comment that he was nowhere near the level.

'I could definitely still win matches here on the grass but I don't want to do that now'

He might not be at the top anymore but he can still compete against very good players even with all the fitness issues.

[Goliath]

Brilliant comeback yesterday. Him and Evans 9-4 down in the tiebreak, saved 5 match points and then won on their first match point.

Great scenes at the end.

[beddie]

Indeed. Some comeback that. If you haven’t watched it you should.

[IanMcL]

Beyond a comeback! Risen from the dead!
No wonder they were laughing!