Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Woody9229]

Weghorst was probably one of our worst signing … as in his performances and personality

Such a poor replacement for Chris Wood and this error played a big part in getting us relegated. A mistake exacerbated by his appalling attitude/demeanour and general tossery (If thats a word?). Cant wait to get him out of the club. His legacy is to be forever associated with Paul Stewart, Dale Stephens as our very worst signings.

[Foshiznik]

Such a poor replacement for Chris Wood and this error played a big part in getting us relegated. A mistake exacerbated by his appalling attitude/demeanour and general tossery (If thats a word?). Cant wait to get him out of the club. His legacy is to be forever associated with Paul Stewart, Dale Stephens as our very worst signings.

Bit harsh. He was seen by the majority as a good signing and replacement and a bit of a coup for a club of our stature at the time. Netherlands international with good goalscoring pedigree in Germany.

Yes, his goalscoring didn't translate with us or United but you can't criticise his effort on the pitch, at least not to the extent of being the worst signing in the history of our club. There's been alot of shite play for us in the last 142 years.

[randomclaret2]

Bit harsh. He was seen by the majority as a good signing and replacement and a bit of a coup for a club of our stature at the time. Netherlands international with good goalscoring pedigree in Germany.

Yes, his goalscoring didn't translate with us or United but you can't criticise his effort on the pitch, at least not to the extent of being the worst signing in the history of our club. There's been alot of shite play for us in the last 142 years.

True, but not many of them cost the transfer fee and wages Weghorst has. A long way from being our worst ever signing, but definitely one of our worst value for money signings.

[jrgbfc]

I think Tresor is going to take some topping as our worst ever pound for pound signing.

[beeholeclaret]

It certainly hasn’t worked out for Weghorst at Burnley but it was at the time seen as a decent deal and for only half of what we received for Wood (after he’d virtually downed tools in his attempt to keep us in PL). Weghorst did a lot of running and chasing back so I was happy with the effort he put in.

Hopefully we’ve covered much of his wages (loan fees) and transfer fee by the time we’ve sold him?

[BigGaz]

Yeah I don't think it's worked out on the playing side at all but whilst he's been unavailable he's at least had someone paying his wages and we've offset a good portion of the cost via a loan fee and whatever we're about to flog him for.

I'm still undecided on whether or not he is this big bad apple that he's made out to be but then if he is then he's been kept well out of the way successfully also.

Difficult to see him still here beyond the end of the xfer window as someone will blink, either the interested parties won't get their first choice targets or we'll accept the cash, but if he does somehow stay I'd still be telling him the doors open were I Parker. He IS an international pedigree striker and he'd be another a bit too good for this level you'd think.

[Selby Claret]

I think Tresor is going to take some topping as our worst ever pound for pound signing.

I'll chuck a Ben Gibson in the mix

[Boss Hogg]

Cost wise Weghorst must be up there as one of the worst signings. Whilst he’s not offered too much on the pitch either he’s not in the same league as Stephens and Stewart. Really don’t like players with a bad attitude on the pitch though and I’d put Tresor in this category too.

[Foshiznik]

True, but not many of them cost the transfer fee and wages Weghorst has. A long way from being our worst ever signing, but definitely one of our worst value for money signings.

That's fair, but as someone with a relatively decent knowledge of players in Europe, i would certainly say it was more unexpected of Weghorst than of players like Trafford, Tresor, etc. given his background and history. I say all that to say i don't think i would blame the club for paying what they did for him compared to more relatively unknown or experienced players.

[Blyclaret]

Tresor will go … that’s a definite. No form bad attitude … no preseason games. Just need someone stupid enough to give him a contract and pay wages

[Goody1975]

Tresor will go … that’s a definite. No form bad attitude … no preseason games. Just need someone stupid enough to give him a contract and pay wages

I can only see Tresor going on loan.

Weghorst has been loaned out several times and we will have recouped a fair amount of cash from that, he probably financially hasn't been as bad a signing as he could have been. Obviously, on the pitch is where it matters and that has been poor.

[RVclaret]

Another one from Turkey. Berge reportedly happy to join Fenerbache on ‘double his salary’ but we want €25m for him, while they are only prepared to offer €15m.

€15m, what a waste of time!

http://sportwitness.co.uk/burnley-playe ... le-salary/

[claretskeith]

"Berge has reportedly agreed to the Turkish side’s offer."

Reported where?

[RVclaret]

"Berge has reportedly agreed to the Turkish side’s offer."

Reported where?

Sabah, it says it just before your quoted sentence.

https://m.sabah.com.tr/spor/futbol/2024 ... geri-sayim

[claretskeith]

Sabah, it says it just before your quoted sentence.

https://m.sabah.com.tr/spor/futbol/2024 ... geri-sayim

I guess it also mentions that if we don't lower the asking price, they will look elsewhere. Fine - look elsewhere. We cannot sell for 15 million Euros, that is way way way under-priced. I think 25 million is as well.

[mybloodisclaret]

Simple..... if you can't pay it.... it's not happening.

Ta da

[Jakubs Tash]

Middlesbrough in for young Manchester City forward Micah Hamilton.

Does this mean they have given up on Conway? Is Tommy Conway Turf Moor bound?

[BigGaz]

Another one from Turkey. Berge reportedly happy to join Fenerbache on ‘double his salary’ but we want €25m for him, while they are only prepared to offer €15m.

€15m, what a waste of time!

http://sportwitness.co.uk/burnley-playe ... le-salary/

From what i've been told we've not given him or his agent permission to talk to anybody as of yet.

So it's either bullocks or he or his agent have gone rogue. I'll let you decide which.

I'm also told his first choice is to stay 'local' IE western Europe.

[SuperClarets]

From what i've been told we've not given him or his agent permission to talk to anybody as of yet.

So it's either bullocks or he or his agent have gone rogue. I'll let you decide which.

I'm also told his first choice is to stay 'local' IE western Europe.

I've also heard that he is not agitating for a move either. He's a good character.

[randomclaret2]

That's fair, but as someone with a relatively decent knowledge of players in Europe, i would certainly say it was more unexpected of Weghorst than of players like Trafford, Tresor, etc. given his background and history. I say all that to say i don't think i would blame the club for paying what they did for him compared to more relatively unknown or experienced players.

I do actually agree with you...I was pleased when we signed Weghorst. He's just turned out to be a disappointment in more ways than one.

[FeedTheArf]

I guess it also mentions that if we don't lower the asking price, they will look elsewhere. Fine - look elsewhere. We cannot sell for 15 million Euros, that is way way way under-priced. I think 25 million is as well.

I think he had a good season (which not many of our players can say after last year), but I'm struggling to see how 1 goal and 2 assists in a relegated team justifies doubling his price tag in the space of a season. Maybe if he was 5 years younger.

I think we'd do well to get £20m and book a small profit. There wasn't exactly a flurry of teams in for him last summer.

[Woodleyclaret]

I always rated Chris Wood and was gutted when he left. Eddie shafted us twice with Wood and Pope deals

[BigGaz]

I think he had a good season (which not many of our players can say after last year), but I'm struggling to see how 1 goal and 2 assists in a relegated team justifies doubling his price tag in the space of a season. Maybe if he was 5 years younger.

I think we'd do well to get £20m and book a small profit. There wasn't exactly a flurry of teams in for him last summer.

I agree with this. I don't see these fees of 25m + that fans would want to be comfortable with our most saleable assets such as JT, SB, WO leaving, coming in for them given the overall level of performance.

Id say it's far more likely if they stay, perform well and they'll start getting snapped up from Jan onwards.

In relation to Berge specifically, there was some unjustified negativity thrown his way from SUFC fans following his transfer but some of the more reasoned criticism, such as his tendency to drift in and out of games, I do see and get that tbh and I'm not sure I would want us spending 25 - 30m on him were I a PL team or one that's just been promoted. He is quality and I do like him a lot though.

[fatboy47]

Each to their own...I think Cullen is more important to our Champ prospects than Berge.

[Raconteur]

I think he had a good season (which not many of our players can say after last year), but I'm struggling to see how 1 goal and 2 assists in a relegated team justifies doubling his price tag in the space of a season. Maybe if he was 5 years younger.

I think we'd do well to get £20m and book a small profit. There wasn't exactly a flurry of teams in for him last summer.

When he signed for us, he was under valued.
The only reason we got him for £12-£13m was due to him turning down a new contract and only having 1 year left. It was a case of Sheffield United getting as much as possible for him or else he would have left for nothing the following season.

[claretskeith]

Also, it's not just about goals/assists with Berge, especially as he's played deeper in games. It's more about watching us play and seeing how important he is.

[Vegas Claret]

Berge is literally massive for us on defensive set pieces

[Woodleyclaret]

Sander will be long remembered for his dreadful backpass v Brighton but going forward v Fulham he was a star.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Yup it is well known that Berge is remembered for a dreadful backpass that was rolled straight to the foot of the goalkeeper

[taio]

Sander will be long remembered for his dreadful backpass v Brighton but going forward v Fulham he was a star.

No he won't

[RicardoMontalban]

Sander will be long remembered for his dreadful backpass v Brighton but going forward v Fulham he was a star.

Don’t think it’ll be the pass (or passer) that’s remembered from that incident.

[Raconteur]

Sander will be long remembered for his dreadful backpass v Brighton but going forward v Fulham he was a star.

To be honest. I'd already forgotten.
I would say it's the attempted control of the ball from Muric that is remembered.

[jojomk1]

Re other Championship clubs

Sheff Utd look to be finalising loan of Alfie Gilchrist from Chelsea - good young LB

Chelsea also looking for someone to take Fofanna on loan with a view to signing - good luck with that one

[Woodleyclaret]

I rate Sander going forward but defending is not his primary strength.

[Hipper]

I always rated Chris Wood and was gutted when he left. Eddie shafted us twice with Wood and Pope deals

That last season of Wood was not good (had he stayed we would surely still have been relegated) and I thought we did well to get the reported £25 million for him. What did he do at Newcastle?

[Hipper]

From what i've been told we've not given him or his agent permission to talk to anybody as of yet.

So it's either bullocks or he or his agent have gone rogue. I'll let you decide which.

I'm also told his first choice is to stay 'local' IE western Europe.

Surely we have no say on who agents talk to?

[NickBFC]

Weghorst has been a disaster, but Chris Wood was absolutely rank bad in his last year with us - embarrassingly so. A fit and can be bothered Wood is another matter.

[CoolClaret]

I'd prefer to double Berge's (Championship) salary and keep him in all honesty. He's only 26, stick a new 4 year deal on the table!

[Hipper]

Weghorst hasn't been a disaster. He's hardly played to be a disaster and didn't do any worse then others in The Prem. We agreed with him that he wouldn't play in The Championship. Trafford was a disaster in hindsight, but I don't blame the player but the management who kept playing him.

[CoolClaret]

Berge gave the ball a way a few times deep in our own half - a few of which directly resulted in decent chances for the opposition but having a manager that doesn't employ suicide tactics for 90 minutes then that sort of stuff (similar to what I posted about Muric) will get cut out.

[mybloodisclaret]

From what i've been told we've not given him or his agent permission to talk to anybody as of yet.

So it's either bullocks or he or his agent have gone rogue. I'll let you decide which.

I'm also told his first choice is to stay 'local' IE western Europe.

Or it's Turkish journos lying...... AGAIN....

I'll let you decide which.

[Goody1975]

Berge gave the ball a way a few times deep in our own half - a few of which directly resulted in decent chances for the opposition but having a manager that doesn't employ suicide tactics for 90 minutes then that sort of stuff (similar to what I posted about Muric) will get cut out.

As Eric Morecambe once said "I'm playing all the right notes, but not necessarily in the right order."

We have all the right players but it's how we utilise them, the balance in midfield and the forward line is going to be difficult to get 100% right.

You'd assume that Berge and Cullen are shoe ins if they stay here but who plays with them/in front of them.

One criticism of Berge last season was how he held onto the ball too long when we had the majority of possession, we need to move the ball quickly against sides who sit deep.

Finding the perfect role for our best players is the key to success imo.

[NickBFC]

Weghorst hasn't been a disaster. He's hardly played to be a disaster and didn't do any worse then others in The Prem. We agreed with him that he wouldn't play in The Championship. Trafford was a disaster in hindsight, but I don't blame the player but the management who kept playing him.

I think he has been a disaster, 2 goals in the PL, then didn't play for us last season. Filed under Tresor, looks a player who has zero interest in playing for BFC whatever division we're in.

[CoolClaret]

Finding the perfect role for our best players is the key to success imo.

Bingo... Well that and keeping them all aligned, unified and motivated as well! That's what makes a truly great manager.

[Woodleyclaret]

The person who signed waste of space Wout is the one to blame.Agreeing to his terms re playing for us was insanity.

[bobinho]

Such a poor replacement for Chris Wood and this error played a big part in getting us relegated. A mistake exacerbated by his appalling attitude/demeanour and general tossery (If thats a word?). Cant wait to get him out of the club. His legacy is to be forever associated with Paul Stewart, Dale Stephens as our very worst signings.

Well. Where do I start with this?

Weghorst didn’t play any bigger part in our relegation than the extremely bored and unmotivated “professional” footballer that he replaced.
‘Tossery’ isn’t a word.
Anyone with a modicum of decency would excuse Paul Stewart from that list, considering what we now know he had gone through to get where he was.

[Quickenthetempo]

I think he has been a disaster, 2 goals in the PL, then didn't play for us last season. Filed under Tresor, looks a player who has zero interest in playing for BFC whatever division we're in.

Maybe underwhelming but not a disaster.

Then fans waged a propaganda war about him being the worst footballer ever with the worst attitude.

I suppose it's the social media affect. There's no ordinary or average. You're either superb or the worst thing ever so people notice your posts.

[bobinho]

I always rated Chris Wood and was gutted when he left. Eddie shafted us twice with Wood and Pope deals

Certainly turned us over with the Pope fee… but not sure what we could have done about that.

As for the Wood fee… I wouldnt have given £27 let alone £27m for him after what he’d been serving up that last season. Embarrassing from a professional footballer.

[jrgbfc]

Thing is we'll have got a couple of loan fees for Weghorst, and the likes of United will have covered his full wage.
We won't make anything other than a huge loss on Tresor, even if we loan him out we'll probably have to cover a chunk of his wage.

[Silkyskills1]

Re other Championship clubs

Sheff Utd look to be finalising loan of Alfie Gilchrist from Chelsea - good young LB

How do you know? Have you seen him play?