Mission to Burnley 2

[ISpeds00]

As good as the first series?

Better

[CoolClaret]

Maybe I'm naive but I would like to see a Burnley side have success in the Premier League playing it out from the back. Pragmatism will always be required but other teams have proved it's possible.

I didn't necessarily mean just the playstyle - recruitment, approach in happily chopping/changing every week, then when a formula was (partly) found tinkering again...

In terms of playstyle though, absolutely nothing wrong with playing out when the situation calls for it... Trying to force it all the time irrespective of circumstances and overly drilling the players to play to patterns not instinct is where I think it's a bit daft.

Too many times (often when we were caught out and countered) players were clearly trying to force a move or play to rehearsed movements (up and down the pitch) - I think that rigidity ultimately harmed us, especially considering some of the finest moments of the VK era was moments of individual brilliance.

Also worth noting, it's imperative to have a manager that can foster a happy & cohesive dressing room when you're up against it, as that togetherness gives you so, so much - and it's hard to quantify that sort of thing with data.

VK completely alienating people and causing a unhappy dressing room as soon as he/we came under some adversity is very telling, imo.

[Steddyman]

Dave Checketts came across well. He seemed to be able to understand the mechanics of our business model well and why it would be a problem.

I also thought it was genius editing that the first clip of Trafford was of him dropping his boots. They also zoomed in on him, when Kompany was shouting at them to call anyone out that wasn't pulling their weight.

[ClaretTony]

Might be controversial but I thought the turgid stuff toward the end of Dyche's tenure was as bad if not worse.

No Dyche team ever came close to ending the season with 24 points and neither did it ever come close to spending the money spent on last season’s. It’s not controversial, it’s just crazy to even compare the two.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

I will struggle to watch this until we have healed the wounds, with promotion. Just how my mind works. I only watched the Newcastle home defat goals after we beat Bastards and were up.

So can I ask, what does Lyle Foster say, roughly?

Apologies if that spoils it.

Cheers, and thanks to anyone in advance.

UTC

[RVclaret]

The football in Dyche’s final season was disgustingly bad. Way worse than last season, couldn’t complete more than 5 passes. Not fussed about how many points, it was a stronger squad.

[ClaretTony]

Not fussed about how many points, it was a stronger squad.

That’s a new take on a league structure, not having a concern for points.

[ClaretTony]

I’ve just watched the incident with JBG again. After the rant, Kompany makes an aggressive towards JBG.

[Hipper]

Maybe I'm naive but I would like to see a Burnley side have success in the Premier League playing it out from the back. Pragmatism will always be required but other teams have proved it's possible.

I liked the Dyche way of progress. That was working but unfortunately he was starved of funds and couldn't make it work anymore.

Last season we tried another way and it was a failure.

Maybe be Parker will be more pragmatic.

[Big Vinny K]

‘Disgustingly bad’ ??

Whereas watching us get stuffed in nearly every home game and hardly laying a finger on opposition teams after spending £120m on new players was an absolute ball.

[jedi_master]

I will struggle to watch this until we have healed the wounds, with promotion. Just how my mind works. I only watched the Newcastle home defat goals after we beat Bastards and were up.

So can I ask, what does Lyle Foster say, roughly?

Apologies if that spoils it.

Cheers, and thanks to anyone in advance.

UTC

He essentially goes on a heartfelt rant at the entire squad (he included) after one of our many losses (I think Bournemouth at home). He says where is our heart, where is our pride, we’re bending over for teams like Bournemouth, who are we? Etc (paraphrasing). Cork steps in and tell him “We’re all ******* trying, show some respect Foz”. They made up afterwards.

I don’t mind that from Lyle personally - we were abject last season and it’s nice to know that players like Foster were personally hurting like we were. It shows there is a heartbeat in this squad, that came across often from Cullen and Brownhill too.

[GrahamBranchsPerm]

Thanks Jedi

Yes is good to hear, want players who care.

Last season, never felt so distanced from the whole charade with the players who were getting picked etc.

Can't wait for this season, and think Scott Parker will instil the basics and get us top 2.

UTC

[Row x]

I thought Checkett nailed it
Matt Williams as always came across well, as did Lee Money
Looks like we interviewed 10 for the manager, and it was our choice for Parker, not as a result of others turning us down
I've no objections to players getting a bollocking if required, but Kompany was out of order with JBG
Sounds like we played hardball with Munich

More enjoyable than I thought it would be

[RVclaret]

‘Disgustingly bad’ ??

Whereas watching us get stuffed in nearly every home game and hardly laying a finger on opposition teams after spending £120m on new players was an absolute ball.

Least I didn’t need a neck brace to watch it.

[ClaretTony]

Least I didn’t need a neck brace to watch it.

Don’t be ridiculous. If you even came close to getting enjoyment from that horror season, it’s beyond me. Delighted the season has gone and the cause of it followed soon after. And if you thought Dyche played that way you must not have been watching the games.

[Big Vinny K]

Least I didn’t need a neck brace to watch it.

No you didn’t…..unlike our goalkeepers last year bending down to pick the ball out of the net.

Did you watch our 3 games against Dyche and his Everton team last season ? What was it about those 3 games that for one second would make you think we were better off under VK ?
I’ve rarely been as embarrassed watching a Burnley team as what I saw at Goodison in the cup last season and I’ve been watching us for 50 years. To spend more than £100m on a team and play like that was far more disappointing than watching some of the dross we had in the 1980s and 90s. At least back then we had no money so no real surprise to see them struggle. Compare that to watching Mike Tresor at Goodison that season - a player who cost nearly £20m and could not pass the ball 2 yards to a team mate.

But at least I didn’t need a neck brace eh

[Row x]

No you didn’t…..unlike our goalkeepers last year bending down to pick the ball out of the net.

Did you watch our 3 games against Dyche and his Everton team last season ? What was it about those 3 games that for one second would make you think we were better off under VK ?
I’ve rarely been as embarrassed watching a Burnley team as what I saw at Goodison in the cup last season and I’ve been watching us for 50 years. To spend more than £100m on a team and play like that was far more disappointing than watching some of the dross we had in the 1980s and 90s. At least back then we had no money so no real surprise to see them struggle. Compare that to watching Mike Tresor at Goodison that season - a player who cost nearly £20m and could not pass the ball 2 yards to a team mate.

But at least I didn’t need a neck brace eh

Not that I disagree with the Dyche comments, but why is it, that if a payer is criticised, their transfer fee suddenly rises by several million?
I didn't particularly enjoy much of last season, but it was better than watching us in the 80s

[Grahamjack]

The caller on talksport in first episode also called it. Too many players out of position, unbalanced squad etc

The inevitable happened relegation.

I don’t think the series as a whole will have enhanced Kompany’s reputation. I think it also highlighted something we also all knew Alan’s inexperience and too much trust in a world of sharks.

Let’s hope season three shows Scotty leads us back.

[Stonehouse]

Your way to easily amused if you thought someone dropping a football boot was funny.

It’s called irony lighten up.

[Burnley1989]

Kompany was never accepted in Burnley by certain sectors of the town. It’s weird how now he’s left you’re more than eager to spread rumours of falling outs, dressing room rifts and cliques.

If you thought what Kompany did to JBG was bad, you’re pretty naive to the ongoings inside professional sports teams.

Not aimed at Tony but I sort of agree with you there, it's top level sport, its always happened.

[Claretmisterg]

Dyche did a terrific job but we were going down in 2022 whether he was sacked or not, no question. What happened in 22-23 was absolutely fantastic, Dyche wouldn’t have given us that. I think we’re in a good position now to go back up again so we’re probably in a better position then we were immediately prior to Kompanys appointment. If he had not been given the job that summer I feel we would be in a much worse position now.

[RVclaret]

No you didn’t…..unlike our goalkeepers last year bending down to pick the ball out of the net.

Did you watch our 3 games against Dyche and his Everton team last season ? What was it about those 3 games that for one second would make you think we were better off under VK ?
I’ve rarely been as embarrassed watching a Burnley team as what I saw at Goodison in the cup last season and I’ve been watching us for 50 years. To spend more than £100m on a team and play like that was far more disappointing than watching some of the dross we had in the 1980s and 90s. At least back then we had no money so no real surprise to see them struggle. Compare that to watching Mike Tresor at Goodison that season - a player who cost nearly £20m and could not pass the ball 2 yards to a team mate.

But at least I didn’t need a neck brace eh

- Why are you bringing up Dyche’s Everton? I never mentioned them. Completely irrelevant.
- What we spent is also irrelevant to the fact Dyche’s final season squad was better than last & cost just as much over several years & higher wage bill.
- Tresor cost £13m according to the Athletic, I consider 13 to be closer to 10 than 20.

[addisclaret]

I’ve just watched the incident with JBG again. After the rant, Kompany makes an aggressive towards JBG.

Probably still not forgiven him for nipping in at the back post for that equaliser while he was just stood watching

[Big Vinny K]

- Why are you bringing up Dyche’s Everton? I never mentioned them. Completely irrelevant.
- What we spent is also irrelevant to the fact Dyche’s final season squad was better than last & cost just as much over several years & higher wage bill.
- Tresor cost £13m according to the Athletic, I consider 13 to be closer to 10 than 20.

I’m sorry I thought it was you who brought up Dyche ?

And the relevance is that you talked about Dyche and his style of football. We failed to lay a finger on his style of football in 3 games last season.

Just to clarify are you saying that Dyche’s final squad cost more than the £170m plus Kompany spent on the squad he had last year ?

[123EasyasBFC]

A lot has been made of Lee mooneys role but he seems to get Burnley and seems intelligent, I’m glad he’s still around

[CoolClaret]

Kompany was never accepted in Burnley by certain sectors of the town.

Absolute horseshit - did you see how many people turned out for the promotion parade?

[ksrclaret]

Absolute horseshit - did you see how many people turned out for the promotion parade?

He's got some front with those comments, that poster, given that he's the owner of the most openly racist posts I've ever seen on here.

[RVclaret]

I’m sorry I thought it was you who brought up Dyche ?

And the relevance is that you talked about Dyche and his style of football. We failed to lay a finger on his style of football in 3 games last season.

Just to clarify are you saying that Dyche’s final squad cost more than the £170m plus Kompany spent on the squad he had last year ?

It was posters I replied to that brought up Dyche, in particular, and quite crucial to my point, his final season, and the football on offer - I found it torturous to watch it for the most part and it was a chore to watch us at a weekend. For the large part I enjoyed Dyche’s football but he was here 9 years and I was referring to the final season.

And yes I believe his final squads would have cost around that over the years and including 90m+ wage bills.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Got to say VK comes across really badly over the JBG incident

How anyone still defends him is beyond me

[Penwortham_Claret]

Anybody found it on IPTV yet?

[gawthorpe_view]

Anybody found it on IPTV yet?

Yes, on catchup. Watched it this morning.
Repeated about 10pm on Sky Football channel.
You need a book club sub though.

[Casper2]

Why are board meetings held at Crow Wood Hotel , isn’t there a boardroom at Turf Moor ?

[ClaretAL]

Great watch. I watched all 4 today and I have to say my main takeaways from it were,

Alan Pace really does love the club and feels it personally, whether that be money oriented or he has bought in to what we stand for, I am not sure.

The dressing room is a mile off all in it together and 1 particular scene where Luke was in the dressing room after being sent off, was in my opinion a disgusting reaction from his team mates following his apology.

There seems to be a lot of control from people who are looking after themselves.

[ClaretTony]

Why are board meetings held at Crow Wood Hotel , isn’t there a boardroom at Turf Moor ?

There’s a boardroom at the Turf and now one at Gawthorpe but there was a comment that the previous board meeting had been held there. No idea why.

[colne-claret]

Pace is so naive. Can’t warm to him at all. I honestly don’t think he ‘gets it’.

[KRBFC]

Absolute horseshit - did you see how many people turned out for the promotion parade?

Fair weather fans like a lot on here

[Row x]

Pace is so naive. Can’t warm to him at all. I honestly don’t think he ‘gets it’.

I think he "gets it" perhaps a little too much at times

[Casper2]

Pace is so naive. Can’t warm to him at all. I honestly don’t think he ‘gets it’.

Agreed , he doesn’t understand, the drum for instance

[colne-claret]

I think he "gets it" perhaps a little too much at times

He will never understand what’s it like to be a fan of this club. He won’t understand working class fans. I really can’t warm to him.

[ClaretAL]

He will never understand what’s it like to be a fan of this club. He won’t understand working class fans. I really can’t warm to him.

All about opinions, and I was of the same impression until I watched that. He clearly cares for me.

[ClaretAL]

On another note it was good to see CT in deep conversation

[colne-claret]

All about opinions, and I was of the same impression until I watched that. He clearly cares for me.

I’ve probably gone to opposite way after watching it

I think he cares about the club or the ‘business’. I just don’t think he actually understands what this club means to a lot of the people around it. People sat there asking if they will still have jobs next season if we are relegated and he’s telling them to keep the faith and don’t think about relegation. These are people who want to know if they can afford to feed them families in 6 months time. He’s sat there with millions in the bank never needing to worry about that.

[Row x]

I’ve probably gone to opposite way after watching it

I think he cares about the club or the ‘business’. I just don’t think he actually understands what this club means to a lot of the people around it. People sat there asking if they will still have jobs next season if we are relegated and he’s telling them to keep the faith and don’t think about relegation. These are people who want to know if they can afford to feed them families in 6 months time. He’s sat there with millions in the bank never needing to worry about that.

There was a meeting before the one you mention, where the staff were told that jobs were safe if we were relegated

[Bowclaret]

Watched them all this afternoon and what is 100 % clear is that Mr Pace CARES ! To have a Chairman close to tears in the final episode will do for me.

Kompany came across like a bully, a foul mouthed one. How Johann did not knock him out is a credit to the lad. If my boss spoke to me like that I would be jailed !

I know very well one of our players and he is loving it at present - it was NOT the case last season - by a country mile !

[BurnleyFC]

Dyche’s final season was horrific. Kompany’s final season was worse.

[claretskeith]

I know very well one of our players and he is loving it at present - it was NOT the case last season - by a country mile !

Be sure to throw in a bit of news now and again when you hear it

[Steddyman]

Watched them all this afternoon and what is 100 % clear is that Mr Pace CARES ! To have a Chairman close to tears in the final episode will do for me.

Kompany came across like a bully, a foul mouthed one. How Johann did not knock him out is a credit to the lad. If my boss spoke to me like that I would be jailed !

I know very well one of our players and he is loving it at present - it was NOT the case last season - by a country mile !

I completely agree with this viewpoint. Pace cares a lot, and Kompany is a schoolyard bully. A Manager manages the people that work for him, listens to and cares for them to improve them.

[Grahamjack]

How anyone could watch the series and still feel VK was the messiah is beyond me!!!

I apologise if this comes across as arrogant. It was bloody obvious to anyone that the players from the championship lost all respect round about week 4.

The superb team that took us up was destroyed!! Before we even started! The momentum was completely lost.

Some of them stayed committed and tried to make it work. Some have up pretty early, eg Benny. It takes 12 weeks for people to grasp my system????? Really???? Ffs

Football is football. What I had seriously forgotten is actually how close we came to staying up despite VK.


As supporters me included we need to watch it, take the medicine and move forward. Let’s hope SP is honest truthful and not up his own bottom

[Stonehouse]

How anyone could watch the series and still feel VK was the messiah is beyond me!!!

I apologise if this comes across as arrogant. It was bloody obvious to anyone that the players from the championship lost all respect round about week 4.

The superb team that took us up was destroyed!! Before we even started! The momentum was completely lost.

Some of them stayed committed and tried to make it work. Some have up pretty early, eg Benny. It takes 12 weeks for people to grasp my system????? Really???? Ffs

Football is football. What I had seriously forgotten is actually how close we came to staying up despite VK.


As supporters me included we need to watch it, take the medicine and move forward. Let’s hope SP is honest truthful and not up his own bottom

Just started watching the second episode and the way VK weighed into JBG was obvious that he had lost the plot a strong chairman would have binned him there and then.

[Jakubclaret]

Just started watching the second episode and the way VK weighed into JBG was obvious that he had lost the plot a strong chairman would have binned him there and then.

Happen just as well he didn't because he would have needed paying off without bayern footing the bill. We would have been more financially up poo creek.