Kompany: anyone want to admit they were wrong about him?

[Row Z]

I was told some considerable time ago that the place was toxic with him. I’m relieved he’s gone.

Toxic is the word I’d use having watched the MTB2 series - his team talks were him shouting rubbish at the squad whilst they all sat there and took it. Nothing constructive and he seemed clueless as to how to change it. No idea why Esteve loved it here that much.

[RammyClaret61]

What a fickle lot you are.

Here's the starting 11 from Monday's superb victory away at Luton...

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Kompany signed 8 of them, with our best player out injured, also signed by Kompany.

And a game plan signed off by Scott Parker!

[AlargeClaret]

He gave us a very enjoyable Champ win , but ultimately we’re an established prem club and this was ultimately a “ bauble “ Pretty much anyone could have got that side promoted . He then proceeded to show a mix of arrogance, naivety and incompetence both in the recruitment and inability to change plans .
Nobody doubted the “ Champ +” quality and talent he brought in but it failed miserably at the task appointed .

[Vintage Claret]

What a fickle lot you are.

Here's the starting 11 from Monday's superb victory away at Luton...

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Kompany signed 8 of them, with our best player out injured, also signed by Kompany.

Not sure anyone is being fickle.

There were many posters on here who agreed VK signed a lot of very good Championship players, some of whom may well go on to be very good PL players.

[Tribesmen]

I liked Vinny i have to say and wish all the best in the world for the future .
He got it so right in the championship then got it so wrong in the Prem .
I did think he would learn for his mistakes if he would have stayed he is a winner plain and simple .

[Colburn_Claret]

Some shocking scenes on MTB2.
There are times for throwing the hair dryer, but it felt as though it was all he knew. He comes across as being unable to see any fault in himself. Confidence is a good thing, but it's a fine line between confidence and arrogance, and he looked like he took the leap.
Footballers are human, some need a cuddle, some need a kick up the backside, some just need better coaching.

Our promotion was an amazing season, last season was a disaster. Watching the programme, and hearing the stories coming out, there is no doubt that VK lost it for us. Unless he grows as a person, and learns from last seasons mistakes he has no hope of staying at the top.

MTB2 shows a whole team for recruitment, I understood that VK was responsible for that side too. Whoever we have to thank, there is no doubt that this squad is outstanding for this level, and we have many saleable assets to boot. Despite relegation the future still looks bright. Win promotion this season and VK will just be another chapter in our glorious history.

Onwards and upwards Clarets.

[dandeclaret]

The do as I say, not as I do stuff was what irritated me most.

He called out a cleaner, a burnley fan, because he was talking negatively about team selection etc....


But him and Lee Mooney in every meeting basically said, "We don't have the budget to compete at this level"

How negative is that mindset?

[Culmclaret]

He certainly succeeded in one respect: he said he wanted to make Turf Moor ‘hell’ and he did

[Big Vinny K]

Pretty much anyone could have got that side promoted .

I agree he got it very badly wrong last season and he also comes across very poorly with his man management but to say anyone could have got that side promoted makes no sense.

It was VK who put “that” side together and VK who completely changed the style of football and destroyed the rest of the league.

Let’s not pretend that before the start of that season many burnley supporters expected we would do that. The bookies certainly didn’t given we were 14/1 and not even in the top 6 favourites.

How much of “that side” had you even seen kick a ball before we played against Huddersfield ?

[JohnMcGreal]

The do as I say, not as I do stuff was what irritated me most.

He called out a cleaner, a burnley fan, because he was talking negatively about team selection etc....


But him and Lee Mooney in every meeting basically said, "We don't have the budget to compete at this level"

How negative is that mindset?

Exactly. We've never had the budget to compete at that level. Yet we have competed, for many years, and with smaller budgets than the one Mooney was complaining about.

We failed to compete because of the decisions made by the club management and by the way we set up to be completely exposed every game.

I have a bit of sympathy for some of those players because it looks like they were hung out to dry, basically.

[Clive 1960]

what i didn't like about the clip i have seen is that Pace was watching on and didn't do anything, i know you get a bit of what Kompany did by different managers but that to me was abuse on a senior player not a good advert for younger players looking on ...

[Big Vinny K]

Mooney‘s ridiculous 35% chance of staying up makes zero sense.
We spent £200m on the squad we had last season.
By his workings £600m would be needed to be spent to “guarantee” staying up.

I’m guessing he came up with that 35% based on some kind of relative budget comparison to the rest of the league. That takes zero account of historical and “actual” performance of the teams in the premier league.
All 3 promoted clubs getting relegated last year gives a tiny bit of credibility to what he was saying - other than for the fact that this has rarely happened in the previous 35 years or so of the PL.

[alf_resco]

Never mind players - the best bit is getting shut of Kompany and receiving 10 milion for the pleasure.

[clarets1978]

what i didn't like about the clip i have seen is that Pace was watching on and didn't do anything, i know you get a bit of what Kompany did by different managers but that to me was abuse on a senior player not a good advert for younger players looking on ...

Tbf we dont know that he didnt have a quiet word with him after about that away from the cameras. I wouldnt expect him to march onto the training groud and tell him to stop it. It also wouldnt surprise me if that shot of him watching on was taken at a different time to that incident. Either way there surely must have been a lot said to him behind closed doors away from the cameras about stuff & I'd hope that the little 1 man appreciation society he was pushing was only for the cameras

[Clive 1960]

Tbf we dont know that he didnt have a quiet word with him after about that away from the cameras. I wouldnt expect him to march onto the training groud and tell him to stop it. It also wouldnt surprise me if that shot of him watching on was taken at a different time to that incident. Either way there surely must have been a lot said to him behind closed doors away from the cameras about stuff & I'd hope that the little 1 man appreciation society he was pushing was only for the cameras

i believe in another episode Pace calls the fans for leaving early, what does expect watching what you fans witnessed last season, i would have left early 10 minutes to go as well if i was still in the UK..

[clarets1978]

i believe in another episode Pace calls the fans for leaving early, what does expect watching what you fans witnessed last season, i would have left early 10 minutes to go as well if i was still in the UK..

There's a couple of ways you can take what he said about that. Its a kind of going around circles argument. He said it didnt help the players and wouldnt make the situation in that match any better if the players are on the pitch playing and see the fans leaving in their thousands. I get that and he's probably right but then as a fan to counter that he should be asking himself why are they all leaving? Easy answer that one because it isnt worth stopping to watch what was happening on the pitch. For the record I didnt leave early on any game, but that doesnt make me feel any better or is even worth bragging about tbh

[Big Vinny K]

i believe in another episode Pace calls the fans for leaving early, what does expect watching what you fans witnessed last season, i would have left early 10 minutes to go as well if i was still in the UK..

Agree that Pace’s comments about fans leaving early was completely out of order. Further reinforced how little the seem to understand about the culture of the town and the club…..but probably more importantly a lack of appreciation as to how bad we were in so many games last season.

This is AP’s “job” - he is getting paid for it so of course he would be expected to stay to the bitter end. For the rest of us we have a choice and to question the choice made by people who have paid a lot of money is disrespectful to say the least.

[Cirrus_Minor]

I had heard, via a friend of a friend, but reliable source, that all was not well last season. It doesn't matter where you work or what you do, screaming blue murder at employees is rarely going to improve anything. Most workplaces have policies on bullying, respect and dignity. Glad he's gone.

[CoolClaret]

His ego/narcissism couldn't handle losing every week (after all, it wasn't VK's fault, he is the great VK that can do no wrong) and so simply took it out in rage on the players, no doubt the ones that didn't take his word as gospel.

It may also be why he likes to work with young players who wouldn't question him like a senior pro would.

It's a shame considering the fantastic 22-23 season. Bayern have done us a solid in all honesty, get shut and circa £10mill? Cheers...

[RVclaret]

If we are to believe it was that bad, he’d lost the dressing room, it was completely toxic etc etc, why and how did our best performances & spell come in the final third of the season? The likes of Chelsea and United away were brilliant. I mean we even took the lead at Spurs and only lost it in the 88th minute. I saw a team fighting and competing pretty well. Interesting that Chris Sutton has us down as favourites this season because of how competitive we were in the ‘second half of the season’. Bar two Muric shockers which cost 2 games we could have been in a slightly different place. I don’t agree with all that Kompany did & his management style came across a bit poorly in MTB2, but I do find this latest narrative that the training ground & dressing room was the worst place on earth a curious one.

[Row x]

If we are to believe it was that bad, he’d lost the dressing room, it was completely toxic etc etc, why and how did our best performances & spell come in the final third of the season? The likes of Chelsea and United away were brilliant. I mean we even took the lead at Spurs and only lost it in the 88th minute. I saw a team fighting and competing pretty well. Interesting that Chris Sutton has us down as favourites this season because of how competitive we were in the ‘second half of the season’. Bar two Muric shockers which cost 2 games we could have been in a slightly different place. I don’t agree with all that Kompany did & his management style came across a bit poorly in MTB2, but I do find this latest narrative that the training ground & dressing room was the worst place on earth a curious one.

I agree completely, though it's not the popular opinion on here, people prefer to believe it was toxic, whatever that actually means.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Oversaw a massive overhaul of the squad, probably bigger than most managers have to do
That overhaul dropped the age of the squad and left us better off in the long term

Smashed the championship and got found wanting in the PL, like many managers before him including Parker

I’ve yet to watch MTB2, I’ll get round to it at some point.

From the clip I’ve watched, he was out of order but he’s in a multimillion £ business, under huge pressure to keep us up so it’s got to him
Doesn’t excuse his behaviour but we’ve all seen managers lose their cool before in football and I’ve no doubt worse has been said on every training ground without a film crew there

[CoolClaret]

If we are to believe it was that bad, he’d lost the dressing room, it was completely toxic etc etc, why and how did our best performances & spell come in the final third of the season? The likes of Chelsea and United away were brilliant. I mean we even took the lead at Spurs and only lost it in the 88th minute. I saw a team fighting and competing pretty well. Interesting that Chris Sutton has us down as favourites this season because of how competitive we were in the ‘second half of the season’. Bar two Muric shockers which cost 2 games we could have been in a slightly different place. I don’t agree with all that Kompany did & his management style came across a bit poorly in MTB2, but I do find this latest narrative that the training ground & dressing room was the worst place on earth a curious one.

We will never know the entire workings, we were a little bit less naive (maybe the influence of other coaches?), players playing for pride/eventually developed a camaraderie after being plucked together and no longer shell-shocked? After all, you can be dangerous when you have nothing to lose...

But let's not make it out like we were brilliant either.

[blatherwickstattoos]

I started a thread in October or there abouts titled “has vk lost the dressing room”

Got the usual shot down nonsense off people on here

[gandhisflipflop]

Because it was in October!

[Cooclaret]

I started a thread in October or there abouts titled “has vk lost the dressing room”

Got the usual shot down nonsense off people on here

I got banned for starting a Kompany out…same time.

Not many are putting their hands up and saying I was wrong, there are a few!

A lot of people claiming they were dubious about him all along, and some just sticking their heads in the sand!

[Cooclaret]

If we are to believe it was that bad, he’d lost the dressing room, it was completely toxic etc etc, why and how did our best performances & spell come in the final third of the season? The likes of Chelsea and United away were brilliant. I mean we even took the lead at Spurs and only lost it in the 88th minute. I saw a team fighting and competing pretty well. Interesting that Chris Sutton has us down as favourites this season because of how competitive we were in the ‘second half of the season’. Bar two Muric shockers which cost 2 games we could have been in a slightly different place. I don’t agree with all that Kompany did & his management style came across a bit poorly in MTB2, but I do find this latest narrative that the training ground & dressing room was the worst place on earth a curious one.

Lots of stories, lots of off the record conversations, lots of chatter.

You simply don’t treat long standing players and some staff that are the club like he did.

Believed his own ego.

[pushpinpussy]

Is this not one of those "i told you so threads" which usually get locked by the Mods.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Because it was in October!

Was November actually I’ve just checked. I’d heard rumours of unrest since September. Was clear to see there was no cohesion in the team.

[IanMcL]

Mr Ks attack on Johann BG will haunt him for the rest of his career.

Serves him right.

He gave us a great season and an horrific season.
Thanks and cheerio.

[Cooclaret]

Is this not one of those "i told you so threads" which usually get locked by the Mods.

Ot it’s an acceptance thread that people were awful to people on this board, and that’s not okay.