Has VK Lost the dressing room?

[LoveCurryPies]

No fight , no desire, no confidence, no leadership. Get beat off palace and I think Pace will have to think about what is next. This cannot carry on unless they’ve said we will take a hit this season and come back up. But I highly doubt the ambitious little leprechaun will be happy watching this tripe like the rest of us .

Maybe you should ask if the spineless fans who are constantly writing negative threads are undermining the confidence of our young players?

I don’t remember anyone from the Club saying this season was going to be easy.

I’m sure everyone at the Club is equally disappointed with our first results but increasingly focused on how we improve.

It’s time for fans to accept the reality that we have a huge challenge ahead and support the Club through this tough spell. UTC!

[Carlos the Great]

If we don’t win a game between now and Xmas it’s highly unlikely Pace is going to allow things to continue .. The 101 points will be forgotten very soon ..Fans are fickle but so are the owners

[NewClaret]

If we don’t win a game between now and Xmas it’s highly unlikely Pace is going to allow things to continue .. The 101 points will be forgotten very soon ..Fans are fickle but so are the owners

Sincerely hope not.

If we don’t win another game this season, I’d rather keep VK than become a joke club that chops and changes their manager all the time. That’d guarantee we end up in a death spiral.

[Spijed]

Sincerely hope not.

If we don’t win another game this season, I’d rather keep VK than become a joke club that chops and changes their manager all the time. That’d guarantee we end up in a death spiral.

I'd be very annoyed if Luton managed to stop up and we didn't. You'd then have to question his ability.

[CoolClaret]

I'd be very annoyed if Luton managed to stop up and we didn't. You'd then have to question his ability.

This is what would irk me.

We were 21 points ahead of them last year.

They should (in theory) be nowhere near us come the end of the season.

[NewClaret]

This is what would irk me.

We were 21 points ahead of them last year.

They should (in theory) be nowhere near us come the end of the season.

True enough.

But I think what that, big, physical, athletic players - with a more defensive system - might be more able to pick up points in the Premier League. Wouldn’t shock me to see Luton finish above us. Especially since we seem to have players prone to injury.

I do want to see Kompany learn and show better understanding of what we need at this level. I just don’t want him sacking because it’s not in our best long term interests.

[CoolClaret]

True enough.

But I think what that, big, physical, athletic players - with a more defensive system - might be more able to pick up points in the Premier League. Wouldn’t shock me to see Luton finish above us. Especially since we seem to have players prone to injury.

I do want to see Kompany learn and show better understanding of what we need at this level. I just don’t want him sacking because it’s not in our best long term interests.

Nah, that’s inexcusable - it would just show extreme naivety and is really lowering our expectations… more over it would suggest that he isn’t to be trusted with a budget like that in the PL again.

The good thing is there’s plenty of football left to be played to not get to that stage

[NewClaret]

Nah, that’s inexcusable - it would just show extreme naivety and is really lowering our expectations… more over it would suggest that he isn’t to be trusted with a budget like that in the PL again.

The good thing is there’s plenty of football left to be played to not get to that stage

I do think he’s been very naive in the summer window. The problem is that he wont get a chance to rectify that until half way through the season, which’ll probably be too late I imagine.

I just think our very open, toe-to-toe, style is not proving to be suited to a team full of youngsters and inexperience at this level. Which is why it wouldn’t surprise me to see Luton finish above us.

[CoolClaret]

I do think he’s been very naive in the summer window. The problem is that he wont get a chance to rectify that until half way through the season, which’ll probably be too late I imagine.

I just think our very open, toe-to-toe, style is not proving to be suited to a team full of youngsters and inexperience at this level. Which is why it wouldn’t surprise me to see Luton finish above us.

But that’s solely on the manager / recruitment team.

You would have never said that - nor would VK, nor would any of the board back in May.

There might be a few deluded fans that think we should be a perennial contender, I think most accept that we aren’t and will always be in contention for the drop - but finishing below this iteration of Luton? Nah, that would be a failure.

[JohnMac]

We could of course have signed a bunch of 'PL experienced' players searching for another decent payday to boost their bulging bank accounts.

Gone down and been left with a bunch of PL experienced players searching for another decent payday because they consider themselves above the Championship...

[Blatherwickstattoo]

Maybe you should ask if the spineless fans who are constantly writing negative threads are undermining the confidence of our young players?

I don’t remember anyone from the Club saying this season was going to be easy.

I’m sure everyone at the Club is equally disappointed with our first results but increasingly focused on how we improve.

It’s time for fans to accept the reality that we have a huge challenge ahead and support the Club through this tough spell. UTC!

Highly doubt the players read negative threads on here

[blatherwickstattoos]

If he rants at the players like he did to the ones at Anderlecht then I can’t imagine anyone wanting to play for him.

Now we know this to be true

[Claretforshaw]

We saw a very different side to VK on Mission to Burnley 2, no way to treat the players no wonder we were relegated, he really tore into JBG on the training ground, not sure what caused that tantrum.

[Burnley1989]

Now a days everyone gets really offended and upset when shouted at, yet the older generation always said to me, ''you'd never behave like that in my day, you'd have got the cane'' and would say it really proudly, that they'd survived the days of being shouted at and beaten by their teachers/parents if they misbehaved. I even used to get told it as an engineering apprentice, as though it made them better engineers and the younger generation are all soft.

I'm not for one second disagreeing, I'd much rather live in a world where people talk rather than shout or use aggression.

I know we all love the tales from dressing rooms of the 80's/90's and laugh along, yet everyone gets offended by VK shouting at players, when did it suddenly change?

[helmclaret]

I dread to think how some of you would have reacted to how Stan and SC treated some players behind the scenes.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Now a days everyone gets really offended and upset when shouted at, yet the older generation always said to me, ''you'd never behave like that in my day, you'd have got the cane'' and would say it really proudly, that they'd survived the days of being shouted at and beaten by their teachers/parents if they misbehaved. I even used to get told it as an engineering apprentice, as though it made them better engineers and the younger generation are all soft.

I'm not for one second disagreeing, I'd much rather live in a world where people talk rather than shout or use aggression.

I know we all love the tales from dressing rooms of the 80's/90's and laugh along, yet everyone gets offended by VK shouting at players, when did it suddenly change?

I think you answered your own question in the last paragraph. All change post-90s. Ultimately you can't (or at least should not) talk to people like that when you are at work.

I can't remember the details, but I suspect Bellamy's bullying accusations at Cardiff were perhaps down to an old school attitude, as he alluded to in his comments after the investigation

"I have probably relied too much on my own life experiences playing under some of the best coaches in the world rather than assessing the sensitivities of a new generation of players.''

[KRBFC]

Now we know this to be true

Are fans this naive?

I just heard Ben Foster and another ex pro say it’s totally normal. VK didn’t lose the dressing room, we just weren’t good enough collectively and I think VK made mistakes. A rookie manager is going to make mistakes, just how he learns from them.

[TheFamilyCat]

Now we know this to be true

Any reason to bump this, when there is another thread discussing exactly the same thing?

Why some people want to keep on dragging Kompany up is a mystery.

[CalamityClaret]

For perspective, Jamie Carragher said on the podcast with Kean and Neville that he'd seen something like that "maybe once or twice in his career".

[blatherwickstattoos]

Are fans this naive?

I just heard Ben Foster and another ex pro say it’s totally normal. VK didn’t lose the dressing room, we just weren’t good enough collectively and I think VK made mistakes. A rookie manager is going to make mistakes, just how he learns from them.

In your opinion

[blatherwickstattoos]

Any reason to bump this, when there is another thread discussing exactly the same thing?

Why some people want to keep on dragging Kompany up is a mystery.

Because it’s relevant to the recent footage of him clearly losing his head. It’s also a question I asked at the start of the thread from last November after hearing that things weren’t all rosy down Gawthorpe.

Seeing the comments was interesting.

I am very sorry I bumped this thread and made you take your precious time to comment on it. Please inform me in future so I don’t ruin your day.

[jrgbfc]

For me there's a difference between giving players a rollocking when they need it and what Kompany was doing with JBG. He'd completely lost the plot and was out of order.

[ClaretTony]

Are fans this naive?

I just heard Ben Foster and another ex pro say it’s totally normal. VK didn’t lose the dressing room, we just weren’t good enough collectively and I think VK made mistakes. A rookie manager is going to make mistakes, just how he learns from them.

You stick to believing that.

[Sozturf7]

I've just seen the video clip of his interaction with said player and while I was one of VK biggest fans he was well out of order.

[NottsClaret]

For perspective, Jamie Carragher said on the podcast with Kean and Neville that he'd seen something like that "maybe once or twice in his career".

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to make of it, as I've no idea what's 'normal' at the top level. But Carragher saying that surprised me, considering the length of his career.

Even Keane thought it was over the top. Have to say, it didn't look good at all and can't see how it can have helped.

[equinox]

I think he chose an experienced, established player who he knew wouldn't be offended (maybe it was pre meditated and JBG was aware of it) to have a go at?

[Big Vinny K]

Only ever heard a couple of things straight from the ‘horses mouth” in relation to BFC and whilst I don’t know whether VK lost all of the dressing room he definitely lost some key players and there was also a split between some of the players.
It doesn’t take much guessing which players he lost either.

Of course we know this happens at other clubs - does not make it right. And the way VK spoke to JBG is not acceptable whatever the circumstances.

To think all of this did not affect our performances last season is naive at best. It’s completely irrelevant that we performed a bit better after Christmas.

don’t know whether VK lost all of the dressing room or not - I doubt it very much personally - but if you have a number of really unhappy players (a few of which were senior players) and it lasts as long as it did then I can’t see how this cannot have impacted our season.

[jrgbfc]

Will be interesting to see how he copes at Bayern as soon as he comes under serious pressure.

[helmclaret]

Didn't Dyche have a lot of unhappy players such as Mee and JayRod in the last 6 months of his reign?

[Stonehouse]

Now a days everyone gets really offended and upset when shouted at, yet the older generation always said to me, ''you'd never behave like that in my day, you'd have got the cane'' and would say it really proudly, that they'd survived the days of being shouted at and beaten by their teachers/parents if they misbehaved. I even used to get told it as an engineering apprentice, as though it made them better engineers and the younger generation are all soft.

I'm not for one second disagreeing, I'd much rather live in a world where people talk rather than shout or use aggression.

I know we all love the tales from dressing rooms of the 80's/90's and laugh along, yet everyone gets offended by VK shouting at players, when did it suddenly change?

I don’t think the initial rant at JBG was over the top but VK walked away then turned round and had another go at him and I thought he was out of control therefore lost all his authority.

[equinox]

Yeah, I wasn't sure what to make of it, as I've no idea what's 'normal' at the top level. But Carragher saying that surprised me, considering the length of his career.

Even Keane thought it was over the top. Have to say, it didn't look good at all and can't see how it can have helped.

Can't remember either player, playing in a team fighting for their lives at the foot of the table.

[gandhisflipflop]

Any reason to bump this, when there is another thread discussing exactly the same thing?

Why some people want to keep on dragging Kompany up is a mystery.

Because it’s like I said last season, they have this desire to say I told you so as if it justified the criticism at the time and deep down that need took precedence over backing the club in my opinion

[TheFamilyCat]

Because it’s relevant to the recent footage of him clearly losing his head.

So is the whole thread dedicated to him losing his head, which you have posted on.

It’s also a question I asked at the start of the thread from last November.

Ah, so it's just for willy-waving told-you-so reasons.

[Claret Toni]

Another view is that it's evidence of decent insight.

[blatherwickstattoos]

So is the whole thread dedicated to him losing his head, which you have posted on.



Ah, so it's just for willy-waving told-you-so reasons.
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Yes I’m waving my willy telling you I told you so.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Some of the pompous drivel on this board is amazing. Fans having a go at other fans for having a view on something.

I asked if he’d lost the dressing room last season and got a bit of stick. I come on to read the comments and then people are still giving stick hahaha. Never change up the clarets users. Some very strange middle aged about

[boyyanno]

Because it’s like I said last season, they have this desire to say I told you so as if it justified the criticism at the time and deep down that need took precedence over backing the club in my opinion

That's nonsense.

Every single person here supports the club. Pretending there were Burnley fans on here wishing we went down, just so they could say I told you so and justify critisicm, is incredibly disingenuous and a bit pathetic.

More so because it's so obviously just a way to discredit anyone who has a different opinion to you.

[jrgbfc]

Quite interesting reading back.

[Vim Fuego]

Some of the pompous drivel on this board is amazing. Fans having a go at other fans for having a view on something.

I asked if he’d lost the dressing room last season and got a bit of stick. I come on to read the comments and then people are still giving stick hahaha. Never change up the clarets users. Some very strange middle aged about

Correct Blathers, there was so much wrong staring us right in the face from day 2 (City game was ok) last season. But if you pointed it out then you were accused being a bedwetter or enjoying it. That was so far from the truth. You were not the only one to be on the receiving end of that treatment

[KRBFC]

You stick to believing that.

That’s what the two ex pros said, I think I’ll chose to believe those who have experienced it over fans posting on a message board who were totally shocked that cliques form in dressing rooms

A completely normal thing, like Jaap Stam said today, “we didn’t all get along but we didn’t need to, to win games of football”

[KRBFC]

That's nonsense.

Every single person here supports the club. Pretending there were Burnley fans on here wishing we went down, just so they could say I told you so and justify critisicm, is incredibly disingenuous and a bit pathetic.

More so because it's so obviously just a way to discredit anyone who has a different opinion to you.

Absolutely the truth, there was also fans willing individual players like Trafford to fail so they could jump on here saying “I told you so”.

[Row x]

Absolutely the truth, there was also fans willing individual players like Trafford to fail so they could jump on here saying “I told you so”.

A couple on here on Monday before a ball had been kicked.

[Bosscat]

A couple on here on Monday before a ball had been kicked.

Certainly were ... you could almost hear them salivating like Hanibal Lecter willing Traff to fail ... Also about Weghorst too.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Absolutely the truth, there was also fans willing individual players like Trafford to fail so they could jump on here saying “I told you so”.

Traffords a kid learning the game. The show of support for him Monday was fantastic and a season winning games and gaining confidence will do him and us both good. Nobody wanted him to fail last season he was just like a rabbit in the headlights.

VK on the other hand has been shown to be an aggressive manager because of the footage.Of Course fans are going to dig him out over it.

[KlyBfc]

I don’t think the initial rant at JBG was over the top but VK walked away then turned round and had another go at him and I thought he was out of control therefore lost all his authority.

Absolutely this.

The initial rant I’d imagine is very common at all levels of football / sport and I’ve no issue with that. What he’s bang out of order for is that he goes again and again, confronting him with aggression, all after initially walking off. For an intelligent man his rant and loss of control was nonsense at this point. The faces of those senior pros in the clip speak a thousand words.

[boyyanno]

Absolutely the truth, there was also fans willing individual players like Trafford to fail so they could jump on here saying “I told you so”.

Bit embarrassing to say that really.

Every single one of us want the best for Burnley, we all just differ on what the best is.

I have no doubt that some minorities disliked/dislike Trafford- The same as you did when you hated on Dyche week in week out. But you still wanted the best for the club did you not?

You seem to post somthing hypocritical with nearly every post at the moment.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Bit embarrassing to say that really.

Every single one of us want the best for Burnley, we all just differ on what the best is.

I have no doubt that some minorities disliked/dislike Trafford- The same as you did when you hated on Dyche week in week out. But you still wanted the best for the club did you not?

You seem to post somthing hypocritical with nearly every post at the moment.

This board is full of them mate. Very strange behaviour when they can criticise but others can’t. God complex

[KRBFC]

Bit embarrassing to say that really.

Every single one of us want the best for Burnley, we all just differ on what the best is.

I have no doubt that some minorities disliked/dislike Trafford- The same as you did when you hated on Dyche week in week out. But you still wanted the best for the club did you not?

You seem to post somthing hypocritical with nearly every post at the moment.

You can think it’s hypocritical of me but that doesn’t mean it’s not true, it was pretty blatant there was several posters on here willing the young lad to fail, That was cemented when Muric got the gloves and made two absolute horror mistakes and it was everyone else’s fault but Muric’. Some posters who’d slagged off Trafford so much couldn’t even bring themselves to blame Muric for anything. As far as they were concerned they’d made their stance and if that meant Burnley lost, so be it.

[blatherwickstattoos]

You can think it’s hypocritical of me but that doesn’t mean it’s not true, it was pretty blatant there was several posters on here willing the young lad to fail, That was cemented when Muric got the gloves and made two absolute horror mistakes and it was everyone else’s fault but Muric’. Some posters who’d slagged off Trafford so much couldn’t even bring themselves to blame Muric for anything. As far as they were concerned they’d made their stance and if that meant Burnley lost, so be it.

You’re saying ‘I told you so’ about muric then?

[KRBFC]

You’re saying ‘I told you so’ about muric then?

Why what did I ever say about Muric?

I never really took a stance on the whole Trafford/Muric stupid thing until I’d seen both play PL football.

My conclusion now is that neither of them are good enough for that level, I think Trafford has the higher potential. I think VK hung Trafford out to dry a bit last season but I think he did that because he knew Muric wasn’t the answer either.