Mission to Burnley 2

[Row Z]

Trafford looked petrified before games…

Quite a few of them looked shell shocked in the dressing room throughout the season.

[Murger]

Can’t see tonights anywhere on any tv guide?

[blatherwickstattoos]

Things ‘happened’ after this altercation too. Have it on very good authority that it got physical

[wilks_bfc]

Quite a few of them looked shell shocked in the dressing room throughout the season.

Quite a few of them looked shell shocked on the pitch throughout the season

[Murger]

Anybody know if they’re showing it tonight?

[superdimitri]

I assume you mean you don't have the Sports option on Now TV? As for me the sports option includes Sky Sports+ and is available on Now TV.

I'm a bit of out of touch, are you able to watch series two on-demand on Sky Sports+ in a browser? If so I can probably subscribe and rip a copy for our expats.

Or is it only shown on as a stream? Like a TV channel format.

[Blyclaret]

Watched all 4 episodes last night. Firstly I’m amazed he lasted as long as he did. Kompany came across as clueless football wise. Got found out big time … his last resort was to shout and rant and blame the players. No team spirit … dressing room lost. Players couldent even look at him in end. I’m not surprised we went down with this clown in charge. In end I never want to see or hear his voice again… a total head ****.

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Is there anyway to see these without having sky or a dodgy box thing?

[Bosscat]

I'm a bit of out of touch, are you able to watch series two on-demand on Sky Sports+ in a browser? If so I can probably subscribe and rip a copy for our expats.

Or is it only shown on as a stream? Like a TV channel format.

Its on the Sky go app I think

[superdimitri]

Its on the Sky go app I think

Then it's going to be next to impossible to record. It will be easier once it's on Now TV and available in browser.
I'm sure someone could do it from a live TV feed (as done already with episode 1 in this thread) but it's the same as ripping a live TV show or game.

[Colburn_Claret]

I'm finding it a very hard watch.
I binged the first season loved it, but this is like watching a relative slowly dying.
It isn't the results, but the **** show behind the scenes. On the training pitch, in the dressing rooms.
What a horrible, egotist, Kompany is. WTF does he expect swearing and abusing players, especially a young squad like ours, is going to achieve. It's no wonder we failed, and I feel so sorry for everyone of our squad, that had to suffer that.
AP spoke in the programme notes, about the interview with SP, it sounds like his biggest attribute is that he is nothing like Kompany.
Thank God.

[COBBLE]

AP seems to age about 10 years over the series.

[wilks_bfc]

For those that have Sky but not Sky Sports, it’ll be on Sky Documentaries from 1st September

[Newcastleclaret93]

I'm finding it a very hard watch.
I binged the first season loved it, but this is like watching a relative slowly dying.
It isn't the results, but the **** show behind the scenes. On the training pitch, in the dressing rooms.
What a horrible, egotist, Kompany is. WTF does he expect swearing and abusing players, especially a young squad like ours, is going to achieve. It's no wonder we failed, and I feel so sorry for everyone of our squad, that had to suffer that.
AP spoke in the programme notes, about the interview with SP, it sounds like his biggest attribute is that he is nothing like Kompany.
Thank God.

The thing that amazed me is Alan Pace can sit there and watch VK abuse his players and not suffer any disciplinary action. I actually found that incredibly poor from his side.

[Rick_Muller]

I noticed a distinct lack of cameras around Alan at this weekends game - I dont think there will be a season 3

[NewClaret]

I'm finding it a very hard watch.
I binged the first season loved it, but this is like watching a relative slowly dying.
It isn't the results, but the **** show behind the scenes. On the training pitch, in the dressing rooms.
What a horrible, egotist, Kompany is. WTF does he expect swearing and abusing players, especially a young squad like ours, is going to achieve. It's no wonder we failed, and I feel so sorry for everyone of our squad, that had to suffer that.
AP spoke in the programme notes, about the interview with SP, it sounds like his biggest attribute is that he is nothing like Kompany.
Thank God.

I think you have to account for the fact that these guys know the cameras are there filming them. There are certain “filming days”. They also know there needs to be some drama for the advertising to draw people in.

If you really wanted to tear strips off a player would you do it on a filming day or would you exercise some restraint and do it the before or after? Kompany is a lot of things but he is not daft.

It may well all be real but I’m a little sceptical to be honest. Just in the way the whole broom cupboard/transfer embargo scene was manufactured in the first.

If it were real I’m not sure it’d have been shown because I think it opens up a whole load of issues for the club and Kompany.

What I am certain about is that Pace didn’t walk out on to the balcony in that exact second

[NewClaret]

I noticed a distinct lack of cameras around Alan at this weekends game - I dont think there will be a season 3

I was wondering about that (whether there were cameras).

Someone said there is a meeting in September to decide whether there will be a S3. Sky said no decision reached.

SP doesn’t seem the type to want the attention so maybe the club will decide enough is enough for now but that’d be a shame I think, given S2 showed a big improvement on S1.

[Darnhill Claret]

I think that when cameras are there regularly, it's possible to 'forget' about them being there. Don't think VK would have done that if he'd thought about cameras, narcissist or not.

[CrosspoolClarets]

I have finished s2 now and it did feel better than s1.

Kompany’s narcissism came as no surprise, his interview in Munich at the end was his worst of the lot, so much “I”, no thank yous that I recall, and a real lack of self awareness. Unfortunately I felt he was out of his depth and couldn’t handle the lower ability of the players.

I was impressed with Checketts - I had read what people said on here but now seeing it he comes across even better, seemed wary of changing a winning formula and Pace looked chastised. What I did think though is where does shareholder value come from if they stuck to old Dyche type principles? I think Kompany’s approach needs tweaking, not scrapping.

The bust ups were good to watch too, in that the guilty parties are gone and the leaders who tackled them remain.

Final observation - Mooney I have observed seems to have made some analytical errors but he does appear “all in” and in describing Kompany’s departure as feeling like a death in the family he came across well.

[BFC_Michael]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned.. Does anyone know if there will be a season 3?

[hoskinsgoalatswansea]

Any downloadable links yet?

[Rick_Muller]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned.. Does anyone know if there will be a season 3?

see just a few posts above - dont think it's been decided yet

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[Big Vinny K]

I have finished s2 now and it did feel better than s1.

Kompany’s narcissism came as no surprise, his interview in Munich at the end was his worst of the lot, so much “I”, no thank yous that I recall, and a real lack of self awareness. Unfortunately I felt he was out of his depth and couldn’t handle the lower ability of the players.

I was impressed with Checketts - I had read what people said on here but now seeing it he comes across even better, seemed wary of changing a winning formula and Pace looked chastised. What I did think though is where does shareholder value come from if they stuck to old Dyche type principles? I think Kompany’s approach needs tweaking, not scrapping.

The bust ups were good to watch too, in that the guilty parties are gone and the leaders who tackled them remain.

Final observation - Mooney I have observed seems to have made some analytical errors but he does appear “all in” and in describing Kompany’s departure as feeling like a death in the family he came across well

Mooney will be on a big salary at Burnley in charge of the analytics team.
He ended up with pretty much the perfect job….a manager and owner prepared to spend £200m on players that he was recommending from his data.
It’s hardly any wonder he treated Kompany’s departure like a death in the family !!

The sooner Mooney and his bat sh-it ideas leave the better it will be for the club. Where is the accountability for the season we had last year ? He is one of the biggest reasons we are where we are today with an over bloated squad and back in the championship. When you have as much power and influence as Mooney clearly had on the players we brought in you cannot all of a suddenly say it’s down to the manager to get them playing (even though VK clearly made many mistakes last season too)

[Row x]

Mooney will be on a big salary at Burnley in charge of the analytics team.
He ended up with pretty much the perfect job….a manager and owner prepared to spend £200m on players that he was recommending from his data.
It’s hardly any wonder he treated Kompany’s departure like a death in the family !!

The sooner Mooney and his bat sh-it ideas leave the better it will be for the club. Where is the accountability for the season we had last year ? He is one of the biggest reasons we are where we are today with an over bloated squad and back in the championship. When you have as much power and influence as Mooney clearly had on the players we brought in you cannot all of a suddenly say it’s down to the manager to get them playing (even though VK clearly made many mistakes last season too)

He didn't pick the team or tactics
Just picked some very good players, some of whom are making the club a lot of money, he's doing an excellent job it would seem.

[Big Vinny K]

He didn't pick the team or tactics
Just picked some very good players, some of whom are making the club a lot of money, he's doing an excellent job it would seem.

We got 24 points
Any money we have made on his sales so far do not make up the loss in revenue from relegation.
And we are still left with a lot of players who cost significant sums of money and contributed very little to the team.

Just like Harry Redknapp but with an algorithm instead of a dog !! If you bring in 30 or 40 players then you have a decent chance of some of them working out.

I am not saying Mooney picked the team or the tactics either. Neither did anyone make Alan Pace buy this players. But Mooney clearly has a lot of influence at the club and is big part of the failure for last year and what is now happening at the club.

If this really is “our model” or our strategy to have such a massive squad and turnover of players when all along they knew there was only a 1 in 3 chance of us staying up then if we continue down this road it’s not going to end well at all.

[CoolClaret]

If this really is “our model” or our strategy to have such a massive squad and turnover of players when all along they knew there was only a 1 in 3 chance of us staying up then if we continue down this road it’s not going to end well at all.

I've been trying to say this for a long time. This current strategy seems to have way too much risk attached to it. Of course, if we sign more diamonds than duds then great but I think to try and outsmart the market like we're clearly trying to then eventually the law of averages catches up...

It feels like stock trading at the minute and just like in stock trading, over time, passive index funds/the market always beat out actively managed funds.

[Chester Perry]

I've been trying to say this for a long time. This current strategy seems to have way too much risk attached to it. Of course, if we sign more diamonds than duds then great but I think to try and outsmart the market like we're clearly trying to then eventually the law of averages catches up...

It feels like stock trading at the minute and just like in stock trading, over time, passive index funds/the market always beat out actively managed funds.

for those who don't know - ALK Capital LLC is a managed fund operation

[Spijed]

I've been trying to say this for a long time. This current strategy seems to have way too much risk attached to it. Of course, if we sign more diamonds than duds then great but I think to try and outsmart the market like we're clearly trying to then eventually the law of averages catches up...

It feels like stock trading at the minute and just like in stock trading, over time, passive index funds/the market always beat out actively managed funds.

And Tony Bloom had to fill in the financial gaps when it didn't work perfectly at Brighton.

Something we can't do.

[summitclaret]

Yet we still bought a drum.
Can’t remember whether we used it or not tbh - I’m trying to erase all memories from last season.

Maybe the drum could be used instead of Tresor. At least we could play a good one two with it.

[BleedingClaret]

Apologies if this has already been mentioned.. Does anyone know if there will be a season 3?

Could be titled
Mission to the old division 3

[GetIntoEm]

I think what comes through, despite Pace's infatuation with Kompany is that he is a Burnley man, he gets the club, he gets the town, he gets the fans. I think he only wants the best, and he's very American when it comes to it

People claiming he doesn't get it, are obviously bitter about something, or afraid of change. They are turning us into a modern club, which was long overdue.

[CoolClaret]

I think what comes through, despite Pace's infatuation with Kompany is that he is a Burnley man, he gets the club, he gets the town, he gets the fans. I think he only wants the best, and he's very American when it comes to it

People claiming he doesn't get it, are obviously bitter about something, or afraid of change. They are turning us into a modern club, which was long overdue.

Nothing screams 'modern club' like obvious price gouging on ticketing and concessions, eh? "Ohhh but Alan gets us"
See, I thought we were a pretty modern club when we routinely beat Premier League opposition when playing in the Premier League, I thought that was what football was meant to be about, no?

[GetIntoEm]

Nothing screams 'modern club' like obvious price gouging on ticketing and concessions, eh? "Ohhh but Alan gets us"
See, I thought we were a pretty modern club when we routinely beat Premier League opposition when playing in the Premier League, I thought that was what football was meant to be about, no?

Yeah it was good, but not sustainable. We invested very little in the team. I don't think our ticket pricing is too unreasonable, we pay just over £60 a month for season tickets for a family of 4. Seems reasonable to me considering we paid more for Taylor Swift tickets than the cost of our season tickets.

People will raise the "but what about the £55 tickets" but in general, ours are on par for the league.

[CoolClaret]

Yeah it was good, but not sustainable. We invested very little in the team. I don't think our ticket pricing is too unreasonable, we pay just over £60 a month for season tickets for a family of 4. Seems reasonable to me considering we paid more for Taylor Swift tickets than the cost of our season tickets.

People will raise the "but what about the £55 tickets" but in general, ours are on par for the league.

7 years of straight PL football suggests it was more sustainable than the current model.

Great - I paid more for a flight to Barbados. What does that have to do with anything?

[Big Vinny K]

Well it was pretty sustainable for the best part of a decade. Has there been a club in the history of the PL that had a more sustained period than us in the league with the budgets and net transfer spend Burnley did ?

As for turning us into a “modern club” what does that even mean ? I’m struggling to see much evidence of it in our facilities, our systems, or in new or increased commercial revenue lines. Is it just the new signing videos and using TikTok ?

[GetIntoEm]

7 years of straight PL football suggests it was more sustainable than the current model.

Great - I paid more for a flight to Barbados. What does that have to do with anything?

Tickets to an optional entertainment event. I was doing a comparison.

Our 7 straight years in the premier was more down to the manager that we had, than many on here prayed to get rid of, than anything the club was doing.

[CoolClaret]

Tickets to an optional entertainment event. I was doing a comparison.

Our 7 straight years in the premier was more down to the manager that we had, than many on here prayed to get rid of, than anything the club was doing.

I've got some beach front property for sale in Nelson, cheap... let me know if you're interested.

[GetIntoEm]

I've got some beach front property for sale in Nelson, cheap... let me know if you're interested.

I'm overexposed on property in nelson at the moment, it's not profitable enough due to the state they are left in. Anything further afield let me know. 2/3 bed properties, need another 10 before the end of the year really

[Walton]

If we want to carry on the investing theme, the style under Garlick was very much of Income paying units from an unchanged portfolio. The portfolio didn't accumulate anything, didn't have any updates to account for market movements, and just fattened up a cash account with dividends which were then creamed off by the account holder. They didn't go back into the invested portfolio, instead they went on funding a lavish retirement when his retirement came.

[JimmyRobbo]

Having watched the JBG VK clip more closely, I am pleased with the responses of our senior players who were in the vicinity. Cullen, Cork and Brownhill all did their bit to defuse the situation.

Good characters are important at every club.

[GetIntoEm]

As for turning us into a “modern club” what does that even mean ? I’m struggling to see much evidence of it in our facilities, our systems, or in new or increased commercial revenue lines. Is it just the new signing videos and using TikTok ?

The stadium hasn't looked as good since the 2 new stands were built, we are investing in the women's structure,the hospitality is probably the best in the championship, and up there in the premiership, we are investing in new technologies, our sponsor deals are more fitting, more financially beneficial.

I get it, some people are resistant to change, but longing for pictures of past hero's, hooped socks and a P3 computers sponsorship deal is not how an ambitious club operates.

[Big Vinny K]

The stadium hasn't looked as good since the 2 new stands were built, we are investing in the women's structure,the hospitality is probably the best in the championship, and up there in the premiership, we are investing in new technologies, our sponsor deals are more fitting, more financially beneficial.

I get it, some people are resistant to change, but longing for pictures of past hero's, hooped socks and a P3 computers sponsorship deal is not how an ambitious club operates.

I’ll ignore your last daft comment as nobody is longing for that as you well know.

The stadium looks the same - it’s looked better since the corners were filled in but that was not the new owners made that decision. I don’t see any other improvements to the concourses or the outside areas or to any of the stands. There’s been very little modernisation or investment in those areas and no sign of it coming either despite it being badly needed.

Money has been spent on hospitality I accept and it does look better I agree. We know why that has been done though - and whilst it may well be the best in the championship I’d take a guess it’s the most expensive too. Based on what I saw and heard last Saturday that side of the business is not going too great either.

As for investing in new technologies that’s a joke right ?

Not sure why you think our sponsorship deals are “more fitting”. In what way ? There’s no evidence that they have increased commercial revenues in any of these areas - but they have definitely increased the cost and expense in trying to generate these new revenue lines.

[Chester Perry]

The stadium hasn't looked as good since the 2 new stands were built, we are investing in the women's structure,the hospitality is probably the best in the championship, and up there in the premiership, we are investing in new technologies, our sponsor deals are more fitting, more financially beneficial.

I get it, some people are resistant to change, but longing for pictures of past hero's, hooped socks and a P3 computers sponsorship deal is not how an ambitious club operates.

to date published commercial/sponsorship Income in the accounts under ALK/VSL has never matched the peak under the previous group - the only thing that has gone up considerably is the Matchday income following prices hikes after years of none to season ticket holders

[Big Vinny K]

If we want to carry on the investing theme, the style under Garlick was very much of Income paying units from an unchanged portfolio. The portfolio didn't accumulate anything, didn't have any updates to account for market movements, and just fattened up a cash account with dividends which were then creamed off by the account holder. They didn't go back into the invested portfolio, instead they went on funding a lavish retirement when his retirement came.

I like this !! And do agree with some of it. The owner did eventually pay himself a rather large ‘dividend” in the end by selling at a large profit. Not sure that this was his plan all along though - I honestly think he had a change in his own circumstances and businesses post covid and from the point he decided that selling up was what he wanted his strategy was to maximise his return as anybody else in his position would do I think.

Before that the owner did not take a dividend or any remuneration out of the club. That is unusual and as I am sure you know it’s not what is happening now. He also reinvested some of the profit into improving our facilities and in particular the fantastic training ground.

The other big area of investment was also into our wage bill. The highest in our history by a mile and peaked at around £92m. That kind of wage bill meant that it was pretty impossible for a club like ours to make much of a profit. But under Garlick at least we knew that the majority of the income we generated was going on the manager and his team. There was no debt, finance costs, dividends or investors / shareholders expecting a return.

He did make a fantastic profit I agree but his decisions also gave us sustained premier league football for years and at little risk of the club getting into big financial trouble (like so many other clubs have). Not sure we can currently say that with the current ownership model and our financial position…..but guess it could be a more exiting ride !!

[jrgbfc]

I think what comes through, despite Pace's infatuation with Kompany is that he is a Burnley man, he gets the club, he gets the town, he gets the fans. I think he only wants the best, and he's very American when it comes to it

People claiming he doesn't get it, are obviously bitter about something, or afraid of change. They are turning us into a modern club, which was long overdue.

Nothing i've seen from Mr Pace suggests "he gets Burnley" at all. In fact i don't think he gives a toss about the average fan, as long as the corporates and him and his fellow investors are looked after.

[GetIntoEm]

to date published commercial/sponsorship Income in the accounts under ALK/VSL has never matched the peak under the previous group - the only thing that has gone up considerably is the Matchday income following prices hikes after years of none to season ticket holders

Yes, that was our daft "classic football shirts" deal tho wasn't it

[Chester Perry]

Yes, that was our daft "classic football shirts" deal tho wasn't it

actually every accounts under ALK/VSL

Classic Football Shirts was good for exposure and was balanced by very strong shirt sales

I suspect commercial Income/sponsorship last season was not above the best under Garlick either

It does seem that the Dude Perfect deal is not about cash either rather it is about brand building in their demographic - for which the Dudes have not paid anything but have gotten shares in the ownership group instead - not unlike the Watts

[Big Vinny K]

Yes, that was our daft "classic football shirts" deal tho wasn't it

Which was largely a result of being in the championship and presumably the best shirt sponsorship deal they could get that season presumably

Let’s see if the current deal is anywhere near the shirt sponsorship deal we got under the last owners - I’d be amazed if it brings in even 50% of the big shirt sponsorship deal signed under Garlick.

The wider point is that there has been no visible increases in commercial revenue and whatever modernisation of the club you are referring does not seem to be materialising into anything tangible. We seem to have announced a number of partnerships with new third parties but not clear to me what they are bringing to the club.

[jos]

Are plans in place for MTB3?

[morninbob]

Are plans in place for MTB3?

According to turfcast they carried on filming right up to the Luton game, they are waiting on the nod for series 3.