Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[jedi_master]

Muric £10m
Berge £25m
Odobert £31.5m
Twine £4m
Kompany £13m
Gudmundsson £?
Bastien, Churlinov £Pennies

So we’ve cleared something like £85m, with the seemingly inevitable additions to that of Benson, Weghorst and maybe O’Shea and Zaroury. Going to be around £100m in. Clearly having to essentially start over again after last summer.

You can’t have turnover like this three seasons running, it’s mental! Surely we need some sort of long term strategy ABOVE simply ‘make profit’. At some point you need to build for a long term, successful team that grows together. We compare ourselves to Brighton, but they’re not just a money making factory, they have foundations behind it that are part of the fabric (Gross, Dunk, Welbeck etc). Relegation makes it tougher for us to build a team obviously, but if we have to claw back £80-100m from sales each time we get relegated it all feels very superfluous. I only hope if we do go up this time that we simply make 3-4 quality additions and see how we fare as opposed to another rip it up and start again job.

[nil_desperandum]

Delcroix provides cover at LB and McNally helps fulfill the quota. I imagine both will go once Humphreys arrives.

McNally doesn’t I’m afraid
Got caught out by that one myself until I was corrected and I checked the qualifications

[Jakubs Tash]

If Redmond’s the key then I think we need to find some more locks .

Based on what exactly?

[jedi_master]

There was an article I saw a week or so ago (don't remember where) saying that Rangers were after Hannibal but couldn't afford him, i'm sure the article said United wanted about 5 million for him.

Sevilla had an option to buy in their loan agreement of 20m Euros (not taken up after he only played half a dozen games for them since he signed in January).

[ksrclaret]

Muric £10m
Berge £25m
Odobert £31.5m
Twine £4m
Kompany £13m
Gudmundsson £?
Bastien, Churlinov £Pennies

So we’ve cleared something like £85m, with the seemingly inevitable additions to that of Benson, Weghorst and maybe O’Shea and Zaroury. Going to be around £100m in. Clearly having to essentially start over again after last summer.

You can’t have turnover like this three seasons running, it’s mental! Surely we need some sort of long term strategy ABOVE simply ‘make profit’. At some point you need to build for a long term, successful team that grows together. We compare ourselves to Brighton, but they’re not just a money making factory, they have foundations behind it that are part of the fabric (Gross, Dunk, Welbeck etc). Relegation makes it tougher for us to build a team obviously, but if we have to claw back £80-100m from sales each time we get relegated it all feels very superfluous. I only hope if we do go up this time that we simply make 3-4 quality additions and see how we fare as opposed to another rip it up and start again job.

I think the difference this summer is that most of the activity is outwards, with nowhere near as many incomings. I reckon there'll be 2 or 3 more players arriving and that's it, but probably between 7 and 10 leaving between now and the end of the window.

Unfortunately, we have to correct the balance of the squad that was so badly mismanaged last season.

[NewClaret]

McNally doesn’t I’m afraid
Got caught out by that one myself until I was corrected and I checked the qualifications

What an Englishman who has always played in England doesn’t count as home grown? Don’t understand these rules at all.

[quoonbeatz]

What an Englishman who has always played in England doesn’t count as home grown? Don’t understand these rules at all.

Mcnally is very Irish.

[Spijed]

Muric £10m
Berge £25m
Odobert £31.5m
Twine £4m
Kompany £13m
Gudmundsson £?
Bastien, Churlinov £Pennies

So we’ve cleared something like £85m, with the seemingly inevitable additions to that of Benson, Weghorst and maybe O’Shea and Zaroury. Going to be around £100m in. Clearly having to essentially start over again after last summer.

You can’t have turnover like this three seasons running, it’s mental! Surely we need some sort of long term strategy ABOVE simply ‘make profit’. At some point you need to build for a long term, successful team that grows together. We compare ourselves to Brighton, but they’re not just a money making factory, they have foundations behind it that are part of the fabric (Gross, Dunk, Welbeck etc). Relegation makes it tougher for us to build a team obviously, but if we have to claw back £80-100m from sales each time we get relegated it all feels very superfluous. I only hope if we do go up this time that we simply make 3-4 quality additions and see how we fare as opposed to another rip it up and start again job.

And if good bids come in for other players they'll go too.

[ClaretTony]

Is that United or another club?

When I was told about it, there had been no speculation on either but the Fulham link was one I knew would be absolutely spot on because of where it came from. The same link referenced the other club too but not United and one that has still not been mentioned. Maybe a club where our former manager Eddie Howe has links and not Newcastle.

[123EasyasBFC]

What an Englishman who has always played in England doesn’t count as home grown? Don’t understand these rules at all.

He’s Irish and didn’t come to England till he was 21

[agreenwood]

…and L’Equipe reporting were talking to Auxerre about loaning them Massengo….

https://t.co/AhqshGWkq6

[Devils_Advocate]

Muric £10m
Berge £25m
Odobert £31.5m
Twine £4m
Kompany £13m
Gudmundsson £?
Bastien, Churlinov £Pennies

So we’ve cleared something like £85m, with the seemingly inevitable additions to that of Benson, Weghorst and maybe O’Shea and Zaroury. Going to be around £100m in. Clearly having to essentially start over again after last summer.

You can’t have turnover like this three seasons running, it’s mental! Surely we need some sort of long term strategy ABOVE simply ‘make profit’. At some point you need to build for a long term, successful team that grows together. We compare ourselves to Brighton, but they’re not just a money making factory, they have foundations behind it that are part of the fabric (Gross, Dunk, Welbeck etc). Relegation makes it tougher for us to build a team obviously, but if we have to claw back £80-100m from sales each time we get relegated it all feels very superfluous. I only hope if we do go up this time that we simply make 3-4 quality additions and see how we fare as opposed to another rip it up and start again job.

That would still leave is with Beyer, Esteve, Trafford, Ramsey, Amdouni and Koleosho (plus our summer signings) who weren't our players at the end of last season so we will have made progress and should we go up his season be in a stronger starting position to try to upgrade our team to stay in the division.

Two years ago we were in a bit of a mess and wasn't sure how we'd fare back in the Championship whereas this year we look red hot favourites for promotion even with all this transfer upheaval

[jedi_master]

I think the difference this summer is that most of the activity is outwards, with nowhere near as many incomings. I reckon there'll be 2 or 3 more players arriving and that's it, but probably between 7 and 10 leaving between now and the end of the window.

Unfortunately, we have to correct the balance of the squad that was so badly mismanaged last season.

Fully agree with the need to reduce squad size (shame about the players that are going to achieve that though). It’s just another summer of massive upheaval, three in a row. The first one was a great regeneration of the team but Kompany/the board made the mother of all balls ups last summer. Talented players in a lot of cases and profits to be made, but the bloat is insane and leaves us in this situation again. I just don’t think it’s sustainable to have this same caper every summer.

[Selby Claret]

What an Englishman who has always played in England doesn’t count as home grown? Don’t understand these rules at all.

Except he’s Irish and played in Ireland until Oxford signed him….

[Steddyman]

Perhaps JBG is giving us one last parting gift if he has interest from Saudi. I can't see us letting him go for free.

[JohnMcGreal]

Maybe ALK are getting ready to cash out.

[gawthorpe_view]

…and L’Equipe reporting were talking to Auxerre about loaning them Massengo….

https://t.co/AhqshGWkq6

Hopefully not, I think he's a real prospect.

[ksrclaret]

Fully agree with the need to reduce squad size (shame about the players that are going to achieve that though). It’s just another summer of massive upheaval, three in a row. The first one was a great regeneration of the team but Kompany/the board made the mother of all balls ups last summer. Talented players in a lot of cases and profits to be made, but the bloat is insane and leaves us in this situation again. I just don’t think it’s sustainable to have this same caper every summer.

You're right, we absolutely can't be having such a turnover of players every season.

Hopefully by the end of this window the squad will be fewer in numbers but have a better balance, and then next summer as you say a few quality additions can be made to an existing nucleus.

[Pearcey]

It’s like a Burnley Black Monday!

[kentonclaret]

Muric £10m
Berge £25m
Odobert £31.5m
Twine £4m
Kompany £13m
Gudmundsson £?
Bastien, Churlinov £Pennies

So we’ve cleared something like £85m, with the seemingly inevitable additions to that of Benson, Weghorst and maybe O’Shea and Zaroury. Going to be around £100m in. Clearly having to essentially start over again after last summer.

You can’t have turnover like this three seasons running, it’s mental! Surely we need some sort of long term strategy ABOVE simply ‘make profit’. At some point you need to build for a long term, successful team that grows together. We compare ourselves to Brighton, but they’re not just a money making factory, they have foundations behind it that are part of the fabric (Gross, Dunk, Welbeck etc). Relegation makes it tougher for us to build a team obviously, but if we have to claw back £80-100m from sales each time we get relegated it all feels very superfluous. I only hope if we do go up this time that we simply make 3-4 quality additions and see how we fare as opposed to another rip it up and start again job.

Exactly that, by not being able to retain the core of our better more experienced players such as Berge, Odobert and O’Shea we will simply become a yo-yo club. If we are fortunate to go up this season with the squad of players we have left the team will be nowhere near strong enough to stay up and compete in the PL.

[FeedTheArf]

When I was told about it, there had been no speculation on either but the Fulham link was one I knew would be absolutely spot on because of where it came from. The same link referenced the other club too but not United and one that has still not been mentioned. Maybe a club where our former manager Eddie Howe has links and not Newcastle.

Portsmouth?

[FeedTheArf]

Hopefully not, I think he's a real prospect.

And with Berge seemingly leaving it’d mean we’d need to bring in two CMs in this window.

[NewClaret]

He’s Irish and didn’t come to England till he was 21

Ah, okay, had forgotten he was Irish.

[123EasyasBFC]

There’s no way we can let Massengo go with Berge and JBG leaving unless we are going to re sign Bastien next

[NewClaret]

Except he’s Irish and played in Ireland until Oxford signed him….

Fair point, I only remember him coming from Oxford, had forgotten he was Irish.

[Boss Hogg]

Maybe ALK are getting ready to cash out.

I wondered about this. Would make sense if everyone is for sale at a price.

[NewClaret]

…and L’Equipe reporting were talking to Auxerre about loaning them Massengo….

https://t.co/AhqshGWkq6

That would be absolutely crazy!!!

The only good news about Berge leaving would be Massengo playing more (have been impressed by his cameo’s).

[NewClaret]

I wondered about this. Would make sense if everyone is for sale at a price.

Just for avoidance of doubt they are also buying players.

[123EasyasBFC]

I wondered about this. Would make sense if everyone is for sale at a price.

If ALK wanted to sell they would wait till we were back in the prem, club valued more then

[kentonclaret]

I wondered about this. Would make sense if everyone is for sale at a price.

I wonder how much they’ll get for Scott Parker? Certainly not £15m.

[Gordaleman]

Repetition

Fair enough, but there is a separate 'Berge' thread, so why not Gudders?

[CoolClaret]

A few sales are understandable (and necessary) but if they think that we can effectively have a revolving door in the dressing room then we will only end up in one position and that is south.

[kentonclaret]

Just for avoidance of doubt they are also buying players.

Selling the core of experienced players for profit like Berge and O’Shea and replacing them with young players with potential might succeed in getting us back up but it won’t keep us in the PL. The club have already had a rude awakening with that philosophy.

[123EasyasBFC]

A few sales are understandable (and necessary) but if they think that we can effectively have a revolving door in the dressing room then we will only end up in one position and that is south.

No sign of any learning curve and looking at checketts comments from Pace.

It all comes down to Pace gave kompany too much control, we stock piled players, shipped loads out on loan who did nothing so have barely any value, spent 100m on a new squad which then had a negative effect on the value of the championship winning team and because we went down we are having to sell 10 players again

[AfloatinClaret]

At the end of the day, JBG was only a sub, at his age and if we do get a fee, it's good business

I'd still rather sell them JayRod than JBG... Actually I'd rather sell them JayRod than anyone else

[Vegas Claret]

Sevilla had an option to buy in their loan agreement of 20m Euros (not taken up after he only played half a dozen games for them since he signed in January).

Hes done nothing to warrant even half that price tag, I'd say 7~10 maximum

[BleedingClaret]

No sign of any learning curve and looking at checketts comments from Pace.

It all comes down to Pace gave kompany too much control, we stock piled players, shipped loads out on loan who did nothing so have barely any value, spent 100m on a new squad which then had a negative effect on the value of the championship winning team and because we went down we are having to sell 10 players again

Bob on

[NewClaret]

Selling the core of experienced players for profit like Berge and O’Shea and replacing them with young players with potential might succeed in getting us back up but it won’t keep us in the PL. The club have already had a rude awakening with that philosophy.

I said the same earlier.

We do have one older/more mature incoming but I’m not sure he’s premier league standard either so I’d rather have kept our own younger players and developed them (for free) in that position.

[CoolClaret]

No sign of any learning curve and looking at checketts comments from Pace.

It all comes down to Pace gave kompany too much control, we stock piled players, shipped loads out on loan who did nothing so have barely any value, spent 100m on a new squad which then had a negative effect on the value of the championship winning team and because we went down we are having to sell 10 players again

Yup - it's spinning wheels at best.

[kentonclaret]

Sevilla had an option to buy in their loan agreement of 20m Euros (not taken up after he only played half a dozen games for them since he signed in January).

Of those half dozen games only one of them was actually a start all of the others were substitute appearances.

[Pearcey]

Possible outgoings from tonight then:-

Berge
JBG
Massengo
Vitinho
Weghorst
Zaroury
One other to Germany
O’Shea if we get good money

Have I missed any?

[alwaysaclaret]

Possible outgoings from tonight then:-

Berge
JBG
Massengo
Vitinho
Weghorst
Zaroury
One other to Germany
O’Shea if we get good money

Have I missed any?

Benson and Trafford, may be not from tonight, but likely to go

[123EasyasBFC]

I said the same earlier.

We do have one older/more mature incoming but I’m not sure he’s premier league standard either so I’d rather have kept our own younger players and developed them (for free) in that position.

Have you heard if there’s anything in the danish guy

[123EasyasBFC]

Possible outgoings from tonight then:-

Berge
JBG
Massengo
Vitinho
Weghorst
Zaroury
One other to Germany
O’Shea if we get good money

Have I missed any?

McNally to go by the end of the window

[Murger]

I wonder if Parker knew the extent of player turnover was going to be so high?

[alwaysaclaret]

I wonder if Parker knew the extent of player turnover was going to be so high?

He's as good as said so, it's not yet high turnover but it certainly looks like it will be, but obviously we all hoped it would be the fringe player's going, how wrong were we, inevitable O'Shea will be next to be confirmed after manu and Fulham have fought it out for Berge.

[Goody1975]

Hes done nothing to warrant even half that price tag, I'd say 7~10 maximum

Yes, I agree he's not worth anything like £20 million and pretty sure we'd be nowhere near him at that price.

I've always described him as a walking yellow card, he's talented and a decent technical player but I don't see him as being a direct replacement for Berge, he's a different type of player.

I said weeks ago that my biggest worry this season was our ability to control the centre of the park, take charge in there and you can play the game to your tune.

Saturday showed a weakness, exacerbated by playing central midfield two, no matter how talented Hannibal is, I don't see him as the answer on his own. Sell Berge, bring in Hannibal and a more orthodox central midfielder and I'll be fairly content.

It's a big ten days and after the lull it appears we are venturing back into silly season, in regards to transfer activity.

[Goody1975]

**Obviously can't edit.

Meant 20 million euros not pounds

[IanMcL]

Not sure it would be wise to let Berge go for peanuts.

[Vegas Claret]

It's a big ten days and after the lull it appears we are venturing back into silly season, in regards to transfer activity.

yep and we only need it to go wrong once........