Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[123EasyasBFC]

Not heard anything about Delcroix, and from what I hear Beyer is a million miles way from being fit.

Ekdal then because al-dakhil still young with lots of potential

[LongsideClaret]

Anything re: Benson?

Almost certainly leaving and heard Leeds were in strong a couple of weeks ago. £7-£10m range. Would think we would have a reluctance to sell to them though. Not heard the other two clubs that Sacha mentions but I question their desire to spend so much on a 27 year old. Not really their model.

[Guller Bull]

HNM out on loan?

https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/20/burnley- ... sengo-out/

[claretskeith]

I really don't know why we would sell Benson when we don't actually have a suitable right winger now Odobert has gone.

[xxmunkyennuixx]

Worrall is a good age and a decent leader. I seem to remember Dyche being in for him so a good sign. I think O'Shea has more potential than just being solid though. O'Shea will spend the rest of his career in the EPL. However, Worrall's solidity and leadership whilst AAD and Beyer get fit makes him an astute signing.

I can't see how Hannibal is a replacement for Berge. The skillset is not the same. He's horrible, a proper shithouse. Great energy, good pace, a real scrapper. I think we have needed a high quality one in CM for ages but he doesn't fill the gap left by Berge.

[Boss Hogg]

Worrall linked.

Not impressed.

[kentonclaret]

Burnley, not Barcelona?

And presumably won’t Costa fortune

[123EasyasBFC]

Almost certainly leaving and heard Leeds were in strong a couple of weeks ago. £7-£10m range. Would think we would have a reluctance to sell to them though. Not heard the other two clubs that Sacha mentions but I question their desire to spend so much on a 27 year old. Not really their model.

So that’s Trafford O’Shea McNally another cb benson zaroury Berge JBG and weghorst all certains to leave

[alwaysaclaret]

With so many of the players departing (or strongly rumoured to be leaving) that have actually featured in the first 2 games, it feels like they were just being put in the shop window rather than being identified as part of our squad for the coming season.
Nobody right now has a clue who will be lining up on Saturday at Sunderland, probably not even Scott Parker.

Spot on

[Ric_C]

Don't mind selling Benson for 10 million

Not to Leeds though, that would be crazy

[burnley007]

Worrall linked.

I thought he was older than 27.
There we are.

[Dy1geo]

When we last came down we had an aging squad, Kompany rebuilt it and we achieved promotion. The issue then was that players such as Maatsen, THB and Tella who were integral to that success and were only here on loan. When we got up Maatsen didn’t want to sign and that is the issue with loan players.
This time we are about to raise £100mn in player sales and be left with a squad of players that are on contract to us. So if we go up we are in a far stronger position that the last time.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Not heard anything about Delcroix, and from what I hear Beyer is a million miles way from being fit.

Delcroix was listed as a 'longer-term injury' in the team news before the Cardiff match

[Guller Bull]

Gudgonsoon

https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/20/burnley- ... sengo-out/

[summitclaret]

We all ready have Berge’s replacement. Ramsey when he's fit.

[LongsideClaret]

So that’s Trafford O’Shea McNally another cb benson zaroury Berge JBG and weghorst all certains to leave

Trafford not a cert. In fact none are a cert as anything can happen but I’d say the rest of the names in that list are more likely to go than stay.

[Guller Bull]

Wolves /O Shea

https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/20/burnley- ... -interest/

[Pearcey]

Worrall is a solid player to be fair. O’Shea has only been linked to Brentford and Ipswich so he’s another too good for the championship but only steady in the prem. Estève is the one I think will go onto better things at some point.

[TsarBomba]

Would love Ben Sheaf as Berge’s replacement but it doesn’t appear we’re looking to spend that big this window, not on one player at least.

[Pearcey]

Wolves /O Shea

https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/20/burnley- ... -interest/

Said before, don’t think O’Shea would go to Wolves after having a great relationship with the Baggies.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

We all ready have Berge’s replacement. Ramsey when he's fit.

Bit of a gamble isn’t he out until at least Christmas?

[BigGaz]

We acted admirably with Foster, but there is a small part of me that doesnt wonder if we might have opened ourselves up to be being seen as a little bit of a soft touch......

I was thinking about this the other day actually and came to the conclusion that maybe it's part of the model?

Maybe that's how we position ourselves to get some of these players we'd otherwise get beaten to.

"Come in, do well, when you're ready for a move we won't stand in your way if it's what you really want to do - here are some examples of XYZ players, they were doing well and we didn't want to lose them but we let them go when a fair offer came in".

If we can't demonstrate we're walking the walk with that ethos then maybe it falls down a bit?

[Steddyman]

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/182 ... 6QKwfgixkA

Sacha will know if it is Benson, so I think it is time to accept he is going

[Pickles]

The business model is working.

Buy low, sell high.

Club is making profits left, right and centre which will steady behind the scenes and filter its way down for Parker to use. The players rumoured to come into the club seem every bit as capable as the ones leaving or rumoured to be leaving.

Big squad - players had to leave.

Don't see the need for any histrionics.

The depth Burnley have is unlike anything in my lifetime and even with two, three, four outgoings the squad will look more than good enough to challenge for top two. And that's before we bring some players in ourselves.

UTC

[123EasyasBFC]

The business model is working.

Buy low, sell high.

Club is making profits left, right and centre which will steady behind the scenes and filter its way down for Parker to use. The players rumoured to come into the club seem every bit as capable as the ones leaving or rumoured to be leaving.

Big squad - players had to leave.

Don't see the need for any histrionics.

The depth Burnley have is unlike anything in my lifetime and even with two, three, four outgoings the squad will look more than good enough to challenge for top two. And that's before we bring some players in ourselves.

UTC

Better business model would have been staying up in the first place and getting rid of the deadwood without selling all your better players.

It’s ok looking at it as making profit but it’s just paying off debt.

Doesn’t have a football club feel to it, after two positive results there was a real warm connection between to players and fans and most of those players aren’t going to be hear in a weeks time

[dsr]

Wolves /O Shea

https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/20/burnley- ... -interest/

That report says that we agreed a fee of less than £10m with Brentford. That seems massively unlikely, so it makes me discount the rest of it as well.

[FeedTheArf]

I thought he was older than 27.
There we are.

IF O'Shea goes then we still need an experienced player alongside Esteve for me. Worrall, whilst not exciting, fits the bill and hardly had a kick the last season after being a regular so will be itching for a move I would've thought. I do wonder whether wages would be an issue as he signed an extension at the start of last season. Club captain there so would bring some leadership following the loss of Cork, JBG and potentially O'Shea.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Worrall would be a perfect fit for us

[claretspice]

I'm not sure I look at this way.

Parker came in 6 weeks ago and I'm sure has been working very hard to bed in his ideas as quickly as possible during the nice clear training ground stretch that preseason provides. Come the Rovers game, he could feasibly have lost half the players he commenced with and be partially starting afresh with a lot of new players. He may well have been prepared for outgoings, but I wonder if he imagined it would be as drastic as the current (strong) rumours suggest the turnover is likely to be.

If you look at the 18 players named for Luton:

Trafford - Strongly linked to Newcastle
Roberts - Staying?
O-Shea - Strongly linked to Brentford and Wolves
Esteve - Staying?
Pires - Staying
Vitinho - Strongly linked to Flamenco and Botafogo
Cullen - Staying
Brownhill - Staying?
Koleosho - Staying
Odobert - Gone to Spurs
Foster - Staying

Hladky - Staying
McNally - No strong links, but lots of ITKs saying he's off
Twine - Gone to Bristol City
Massengo - Linked with Auxerre by L'Equipe last night
Zaroury - Staying?
Hountondji - Staying
Rodriguez - Staying
Weghorst - Strongly linked with Ajax
Benson - Strongly linked with several Championship clubs

In addition you've got JBG and Amdouni who featured vs Cardiff. The former appears to be off and the latter's agent is pushing for a move.

Not including the likes of Berge who has been injured, that means that 11 players who have featured in the opening two match day squads have either left or have been strongly linked with a move away. I've possibly been slightly generous too as I've assumed the likes of Brownhill, Roberts, Zaroury, Esteve and Koleosho are staying put.

I personally think that's really unhealthy and I cannot believe for a minute that Parker isn't concerned about that, even if he has been promised replacements.

If all of those players leave then I'd agree that this would be very unhealthy, but I'm surprised that you, and one or two others, are getting so anxious about things quite yet. Whilst we can be confident that Berge, JBG, probably Trafford and Weghorst will leave, and that we're likely to cash in on a few squad players in order to thin the squad and release funds (quite possibly Benson being one), I don't think we should be presuming all the rest of the first team squad who have been linked with moves will go. We can't stop clubs having an interest in our players, and clearly, we'll have asking prices for players, but as other players leave the asking prices for those who remain may well increase, or we may decide that other players are no longer available at all. That strikes me as a perfectly natural part of the process of looking to ensure the squad is suitably trimmed by the deadline (and ideally ahead of it so that Parker can put his stamp on the squad) - it's inevitably a juggling act. There's a lot of speculation and the social media journalists inevitably send this into overdrive, but it doesn't mean we're actively looking to move out all of these players.

As for Worrall, I think it's actually reassuring that we've got a contingency in case O'Shea does leave. Worrall has been a leader at Forest and whilst i'd prefer to keep O'Shea, if he leaves we need players who can add leadership, promotion know-how and also who can be relied upon to be keystones of the squad over a period of years, as saleable prospects come and go around them (this is a point Checketts made on Mission to Burnley and strikes me as a point well made and missed from the strategy 12 months ago). Worrall fits that bill well, just as Cullen did when he arrived 2 summers ago.

Calm heads needed. We've got a massive squad that needs trimming so the news players are leaving or might be leaving isn't a surprise.

[NewClaret]

Who are the winger names you’ve heard?

All posted and speculated about on here (which makes me a bit suspicious). You got one right last night. Don’t see any as materially better than we have.

Hoping there are others not known yet.

[Pickles]

Better business model would have been staying up in the first place and getting rid of the deadwood without selling all your better players.

Doesn’t have a football club feel to it, after two positive results there was a real warm connection between to players and fans and most of those players aren’t going to be hear in a weeks time

Staying up didn't happen did it, hindsight is a wonderful thing. And as for a warm connection between players and fans, yes it's good but it's also more important for twelve year olds. And who's to say that connection isn't there and won't be there? The squad is massive, players had to leave. Imagine if they were leaving and we weren't making massive profits on them. Now that would be cause for criticism.

[NewClaret]

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/182 ... 6QKwfgixkA

Sacha will know if it is Benson, so I think it is time to accept he is going

Think he also said he was leaving last season. That’d be another mistake in my opinion.

[NewClaret]

Gudgonsoon

https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/20/burnley- ... sengo-out/

Good god

[warksclaret]

With so many supposedly leaving we could have major issues if promoted in having to spend heavy on PL ready players. Whereas the partnership of O Shea/Esteve in 12 months could be a foundation to build on. Plus we are going to need an entire new midfield with Berge off and Brownhill out of contract. Hopefully the club finds a balance of people we simply need to keep in order to keep promotion aspirations alive

[AGENT_CLARET]

Worrall after looking around doesn't look likely, his current wage is 50k a week at Forest

[warksclaret]

To be honest JBG going does not worry me. A great servant and will still show some brilliant touches but not an out and out CM, and we have others who can play that advanced midfield. Hopefully his move brings in a fee

[JimmyRobbo]

Worrall would be an excellent signing.
I know his agent and he is an excellent professional with all the leadership qualities you'd want.

Not young. MIght not be good enough for the EPL if we were to be promoted.

[123EasyasBFC]

Al-dakhil to Germany turfcast saying, fits in with what longside said

[Rick_Muller]

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/182 ... 6QKwfgixkA

Sacha will know if it is Benson, so I think it is time to accept he is going

I have no issue with Benson going to Leeds, I think he flatters to deceive more often than not. He did score some good goals though from the right, but only as an impact sub - not a full 90+ minute player for 46 games in a Championship season - he'll weaken Leeds IMO.

[BigGaz]

Almost certainly leaving and heard Leeds were in strong a couple of weeks ago. £7-£10m range. Would think we would have a reluctance to sell to them though. Not heard the other two clubs that Sacha mentions but I question their desire to spend so much on a 27 year old. Not really their model.

It's the sensible thing to sell him, and we might well have had nigh on double that if we'd have pulled the trigger on that a year ago.

I dont think it's a good idea to be selling these types of players to rivals in the same league though. There's players like Twine and McNally where you're not so bothered as they are just steady away at this level but players like Benny are difference makers and can/already has/likely will again do just that at the business end of the league.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Maybe there’s a reason another manager is looking to get rid of Benson.

[Rick_Muller]

Worrall would be an excellent signing.
I know his agent and he is an excellent professional with all the leadership qualities you'd want.

Not young. MIght not be good enough for the EPL if we were to be promoted.

27 is approaching prime for a CB

[AGENT_CLARET]

Our Transfer window over the last few season's

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[FCBurnley]

Worrall after looking around doesn't look likely, his current wage is 50k a week at Forest

He won’t get that in the Championship

[Murger]

If Benson and Vitinho go, who exactly do we have left who can play on the right?
And where exactly does Hannibal fit into this team?

[kentonclaret]

That report says that we agreed a fee of less than £10m with Brentford. That seems massively unlikely, so it makes me discount the rest of it as well.

I’m not at all surprised at the figure mentioned. On the BBC Gossip page about a week ago it said that negotiations were ongoing with Brentford who had offered a fee which would see Burnley make a profit on the £7m that they paid WBA. I deduced from that that no way were they offering anything like £15/20m which posters on here were hoping for.

[AGENT_CLARET]

Maybe there’s a reason another manager is looking to get rid of Benson.

He's not good on the training ground

[FeedTheArf]

Worrall would be an excellent signing.
I know his agent and he is an excellent professional with all the leadership qualities you'd want.

Not young. MIght not be good enough for the EPL if we were to be promoted.

Not young? 27 would be a spring chicken in the Dyche-days!

[Big Vinny K]

When you have nearly 40 players half of whom are not involved in the match day squad every week then you have a lot of unhappy players and a lot of itchy agents.

When you add to this that a big chunk of those players not involved were the same ones who got you promoted then it’s hardly any surprise that players are looking for moves.

I don’t believe for one minute JBG engineered his move. Just think it was a case of him getting an approach recently and one that could secure him financially for the rest of his life. Who can blame him ? He was treated like a dog by VK. He owes us nothing.

I’m pretty sure Parker knew there was a possibility this could happen - but I don’t think he will have experienced the kind of upheaval in his squad when a season is underway as he is likely to in the next few weeks. Yes he will probably be given some funds for bringing in his own players but that’s not the way you would choose to build a side of your own with 10 days of transfer window left and with games coming thick and fast and you do not even know what players will be available until pretty much the day before the game.

Even after the window shuts if we have a number of new players or having to integrate back in players who have not featured much or coming back from injury into a new system that Parker wants to play that is a long way from being ideal.

Allowing VK to do what he did and end up with this massive squad and spending what he did is not a strategy or “our model”. It’s just a massive **** up by people who have no idea how to run a football club or a group of footballers in this day and age.

[AGENT_CLARET]

He won’t get that in the Championship

He won't take a pay cut, footballers rearly do