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by CrosspoolClarets » Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:57 pm
Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:41 pm
Would it kill people to keep the financial woes arguments out of the transfer speculation thread and allow us to concentrate on players coming and going. If we want to know about the finances we’ll go to that thread instead to be patronised.
To be fair despite not me being a culprit for once the two are intrinsically linked. Hard to separate them.
For the record

I think we are close to the point where we have made far more than we need to break even and thus I expect an expensive Parker marquee signing

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by Stockbrokerbelt » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:07 pm
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:43 pm
It would certainly kill some, I don't think they know how tiresome it is. Even more so when they have no financial background and quite often get things wrong but then it is passed off as fact.
I don't imagine people go on the money threads and post transfer rumours shame it doesn't work both ways.
Just like rumours of players leaving, one mentions Esteve with no evidence & we have a flood of believers & the clubs mad. Looks like the board & Pace are playing a blinder on sales, hoping for a couple of midfielders & wingers & were the real deal. Quick point about Worrell, I’ve chatted with a mate who is a forest season ticket holder & said he’s being sold as his face does not fit after a argument with Forest hierarchy, said he’s a Ben Mee, wears his heart on his sleeve & will put his head in to danger. Sounds like a proper Burnley signing.
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by alf_resco » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:07 pm
Socrates wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:20 pm
Modern football is utterly rubbish.
Twitter dweebs leaking transfer stuff, talk constantly about accounts rather than players and tactics, everybody desperate to post the news first for likes and clicks and views.
All a load of sh*te.
Totally agree.
A favourite on here is "I was told ......" - An inane intro, with no stated time as to when and where, attempting to claim credit for being ITK and distancing themselves if it's baloney, both at the same time.
Pathetic imo.
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by northeastclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:12 pm
alf_resco wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:07 pm
Totally agree.
A favourite on here is "I was told ......" - An inane intro, with no stated time as to when and where, attempting to claim credit for being ITK and distancing themselves if it's baloney, both at the same time.
Pathetic imo.
A lot of so called rumours are posted in good faith and I probably like many others , value those . Yes there is the odd nonsense , but happy to make my own mind up to what I believe and don’t, it’s part of the interest of following what’s happening to our club.
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by FeedTheArf » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:12 pm
HollandsPies wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:52 pm
He ain't Prem standard though, Woodley.
Solid Championship player - that's about it I reckon.
I get we need to build towards Prem sustainability, but I think a lot of people are forgetting we’ve got another 44 games between now and then to actually get back there. We’ve undoubtedly had a good start but as Parker says, there will be bumps in the road!
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by Colburn_Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:14 pm
Andreshotboots wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:01 pm
Can't be easy for the remaining players to stay focussed too with all this movement and speculation..
It's hard for us fans, but I suspect it's normal to most footballers. They'll have a better idea of who's going, who's staying. If they are the latter just keep your head down and work hard.
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by Woodleyclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:17 pm
Accepted HollandsPies but Joe Worrall is a player that will give all for the cause and we've got Humphries in to take over next season
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by warksclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:18 pm
Stockbrokerbelt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:07 pm
Just like rumours of players leaving, one mentions Esteve with no evidence & we have a flood of believers & the clubs mad. Looks like the board & Pace are playing a blinder on sales, hoping for a couple of midfielders & wingers & were the real deal. Quick point about Worrell, I’ve chatted with a mate who is a forest season ticket holder & said he’s being sold as his face does not fit after a argument with Forest hierarchy, said he’s a Ben Mee, wears his heart on his sleeve & will put his head in to danger. Sounds like a proper Burnley signing.
I have heard the same about Worrall-he looks a great team player
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by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:18 pm
reading a few things about Worrall from Forest fans who all obviously like him and appreciate him
Gives 100%
great when your backs are against the wall
Slow
Gets caught out of position
Gets done on his inside too easily
Decent in the Championship but not PL standard
That's from those that like him......
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by Boss Hogg » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:19 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:01 pm
I’ve got a running total on my phone of sales (and VK) plus potential (ones that LC has mentioned) and it’s sitting at £130m right now.
Except you’ve actually no idea what the fees paid to us are.
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by RVclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:23 pm
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:19 pm
Except you’ve actually no idea what the fees paid to us are.
Going off reliable reporters.
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by NewClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:26 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:18 pm
reading a few things about Worrall from Forest fans who all obviously like him and appreciate him
Gives 100%
great when your backs are against the wall
Slow
Gets caught out of position
Gets done on his inside too easily
Decent in the Championship but not PL standard
That's from those that like him......
Pretty much what I thought from watching him.
Thing with AAD is that he is fast, ditto O’Shea. Seems we’re sacrificing pace in the back line (don’t khow fast Humphreys is) and I’m not sure that is good if we return to the Premier League.
Hopefully his experience will be useful for us this season though.
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by jojomk1 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:28 pm
Murger wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:44 pm
Surely with all this revenue from player sales, what’s the reason we couldn’t be debt free?
Have you seen the size of Alan's wallet

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by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:31 pm
NewClaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:26 pm
Pretty much what I thought from watching him.
Thing with AAD is that he is fast, ditto O’Shea. Seems we’re sacrificing pace in the back line (don’t khow fast Humphreys is) and I’m not sure that is good if we return to the Premier League.
Hopefully his experience will be useful for us this season though.
that's my hope because from everything I've ever seen from him I think he's a massive downgrade. The most worrying post I saw was 'in the promotion season he was massively helped by Cook' - Worrall would be our most experienced CB.........
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by CoolClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:32 pm
Personally I was hoping that if we were to lose O'Shea then AAD would have stepped in - AAD with Esteve would have been more than fine... Feel like AAD performed really well later last season, City away - had some great moments coming out on top against Haaland.
I think that signing Worrall is an unambitious waste of money.
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by burnmark » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:33 pm
Worrall travelling for his medical - Andy Jones, The Athletic
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by warksclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:33 pm
NewClaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:26 pm
Pretty much what I thought from watching him.
Thing with AAD is that he is fast, ditto O’Shea. Seems we’re sacrificing pace in the back line (don’t khow fast Humphreys is) and I’m not sure that is good if we return to the Premier League.
Hopefully his experience will be useful for us this season though.
Worrall will be quicker than Ben Mee who has managed close to 250 games in the PL and still going. Ben of course has experience and good positioning skills
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by Pearcey » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:35 pm
Joe Worrall:- good in the championship
Burnley:- Championship
A leader and decent character by all accounts. If we haven’t paid much then it’s a solid signing.
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by Burnley1989 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:35 pm
northeastclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:12 pm
A lot of so called rumours are posted in good faith and I probably like many others , value those . Yes there is the odd nonsense , but happy to make my own mind up to what I believe and don’t, it’s part of the interest of following what’s happening to our club.
Exactly that, I have been told things before that I'm confident are true due to who told me. I'm hardly going to say who told me, where and when though as its unlikely I'd ever be told anything again. Im not trying to give it the 'big un' and be 'itk' but a thread on rumours is surely a better thread with leaks from players or agents?
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by billyhamilton82 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:39 pm
Speed of thought is always faster.
Prevention is better than cure (or chasing your initial mistake)
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by AfloatinClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:43 pm
Chester Perry wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:40 pm
...so many make false claims about the sums being paid in parachutes.
A bit naive of you to expect them to treat parachute payments any differently from everything else?

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by Cleveleys_claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:44 pm
northeastclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:12 pm
A lot of so called rumours are posted in good faith and I probably like many others , value those . Yes there is the odd nonsense , but happy to make my own mind up to what I believe and don’t, it’s part of the interest of following what’s happening to our club.
And then are those that let us all think they are in the know, say nothing, but then as soon as someone does like Longside who is obvs in the know, they jump onto it and say "yeah...I was told that too".
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by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:47 pm
I am getting more and paranoid about looking at this thread since every time I do more and more players are linked with, or actually, leaving.
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by AfloatinClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:48 pm
Gp8419 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:29 pm
I’m sure jay rod will be fine on his own he’s a big boy
Jay-Rod is probably still too cock-a-hoop at scoring himself yet another year's contract to be bothered by much of anything.
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by Jakubclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:50 pm
Boss Hogg wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:19 pm
Except you’ve actually no idea what the fees paid to us are.
In reality nobody’s got a clue about anything. Lots of sums calculated bandied about are just fantasy amounts plucked from the air as if we are sitting on a mountain of cash. Profit will be generated by player sales but not as much as some people are making out. The real savings cost cutting measures will come simply by offloading the high earners & paying somebody less money to do the same job.
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by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:52 pm
Pearcey wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:35 pm
Joe Worrall:- good in the championship
Burnley:- Championship
A leader and decent character by all accounts. If we haven’t paid much then it’s a solid signing.
a few Forest accounts were asking if we knew the fee at our end, they seemed to think it would be around 4 million
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by summitclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:57 pm
Think too many are ignoring the contribution a fit Ekdal would make. Of course no fan knows about his fitness and it is a concern, but he is a very good player.
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by AfloatinClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:57 pm
alf_resco wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:07 pm
Totally agree.
A favourite on here is "I was told ......" - An inane intro, with no stated time as to when and where, attempting to claim credit for being ITK and distancing themselves if it's baloney, both at the same time.
Pathetic imo.
Be fair, if by some coincidence/miracle their best guess does come to fruition they usually re-post it to remind everyone of their prediction; though admittedly, those re-posts often gloss over the 'I was told' part.

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by bobinho » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:59 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:18 pm
reading a few things about Worrall from Forest fans who all obviously like him and appreciate him
Gives 100%
great when your backs are against the wall
Slow
Gets caught out of position
Gets done on his inside too easily
Decent in the Championship but not PL standard
That's from those that like him......
To be fair, that sounds a lot like Ben Mee.
And then all of a sudden, we found ourselves in the PL, and then we found out he was PL standard after all!!!!
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by billyhamilton82 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:01 pm
bobinho wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:59 pm
To be fair, that sounds a lot like Ben Mee.
And then all of a sudden, we found ourselves in the PL, and then we found out he was PL standard after all!!!!
Lets hope Joe Worrall will captain us in the Premier League.
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by warksclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:04 pm
summitclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:57 pm
Think too many are ignoring the contribution a fit Ekdal would make. Of course no fan knows about his fitness and it is a concern, but he is a very good player.
No point having a Rolls Royce in your garage , if it wont start.We have had too many centre halves in the garage in the past 15 months
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by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:09 pm
bobinho wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:59 pm
To be fair, that sounds a lot like Ben Mee.
And then all of a sudden, we found ourselves in the PL, and then we found out he was PL standard after all!!!!
more than you probably know....
https://x.com/ynack/status/1826263210305179710
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by gtclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:13 pm
Latest - Ralph Coates to Spurs,Willie Morgan to Man Utd
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by Quickenthetempo » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:13 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:52 pm
a few Forest accounts were asking if we knew the fee at our end, they seemed to think it would be around 4 million
I haven't seen mention of a fee, I presume it's free with the size of his reputed wages of 50k. Even halving them would be high.
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by Blyclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:26 pm
We are in for Mickey Johnston from Celtic accordingly to Peter O Rourke
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by 123EasyasBFC » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:26 pm
Football insiders saying we want Mikey Johnson from Celtic, he was good at West Brom last season.
Assume he would be instead of Sarmiento
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by warksclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:27 pm
He signed a 4 year contract extension at Forest in Feb 2020, so suspect he is coming to the end of the contract . He probably did not expect a move to another PL club, and so a move to the Championship on a lower salary for lets say a 3 year contract, might appeal. And of course a salary uplift if promoted, and players looking at Burnley this season will know we are one of the fancied teams for promotion.. Suspect the fee may be nominal and could largely be covered with the sale of McNally which would represent sound business by our club
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by Cirrus_Minor » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:27 pm
Joe Worrall is an experienced, all commitment, blood and guts defender. But in my opinion no comparison to O'Shea.
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by Holtyclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:28 pm
Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:52 pm
a few Forest accounts were asking if we knew the fee at our end, they seemed to think it would be around 4 million
So roughly like what we’re going to get for McNally.
I’d much rather have worrall and his experience in our ranks. When everybody’s fit I’d imagine he’s 3rd/4th/5th choice cb after departures.
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by RVclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:28 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:26 pm
Football insiders saying we want Mikey Johnson from Celtic, he was good at West Brom last season.
Assume he would be instead of Sarmiento
He’s a left sided version of Benson I’d say. Cuts inside and shoots from distance. Check his goal reel last season.
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by 123EasyasBFC » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:29 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:28 pm
He’s a left sided version of Benson I’d say. Cuts inside and shoots from distance. Check his goal reel last season.
Oh yeah I know he was comfortably West Brom’s best player second half of last season
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by Blyclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:34 pm
Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:27 pm
Joe Worrall is an experienced, all commitment, blood and guts defender. But in my opinion no comparison to O'Shea.
I totally disagree. I watched a lot of O Shea .. playing for Ireland. And he’s a good defender but limited. Once the standard of striker goes up he falters.
Worrall is good solid defender a similar standard to O Shea.
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by Clarets4me » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:35 pm
Have I missed it, or have things gone quiet on the Sander Berg to Fulham story ?
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by bfcjg » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:36 pm
It would appear that there seems to be a preference for more British players coming in, has the project changed or did the phrase "we need men" as said in Mission to Burnley gain more approval, is it Parkers choice as he prefers British players or at least wants a good nucleus of them for team spirit.
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by RVclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:37 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:29 pm
Oh yeah I know he was comfortably West Brom’s best player second half of last season
I’d say Fellows is a better player from them. Johnston a one trick pony from what I saw. Not particularly enthused.
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by fatboy47 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:39 pm
Clarets4me wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:35 pm
Have I missed it, or have things gone quiet on the Sander Berg to Fulham story ?
Not half as quiet as the alleged (£30m plus)pursuit of Trafford... I suspect that exists more in the minds of the gullible than any hard reality.
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by Blyclaret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:40 pm
As long as he can repeat the trick.
7 times in 20 for West Brom last season
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by 123EasyasBFC » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:43 pm
RVclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:37 pm
I’d say Fellows is a better player from them. Johnston a one trick pony from what I saw. Not particularly enthused.
I think he was excellent, if we only lose O’Shea out of the team that started at the weekend and sell all the other squad players and replace with
Worrall
Hannibal
Sarmiento
Johnston
Then that is still an excellent squad
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by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:46 pm
Holtyclaret wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:28 pm
So roughly like what we’re going to get for McNally.
I’d much rather have worrall and his experience in our ranks. When everybody’s fit I’d imagine he’s 3rd/4th/5th choice cb after departures.
100%, cannot underestimate the leadership of Ashley Barnes last time in the Championship, hopefully JW can bring that element.
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by Vegas Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:46 pm
123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:43 pm
I think he was excellent, if we only lose O’Shea out of the team that started at the weekend and sell all the other squad players and replace with
Worrall
Hannibal
Sarmiento
Johnston
Then that is still an excellent squad
big IF on some of them