Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[BigGaz]

By that measure there are six in your list that were nowhere near the first team, and five of whom (plus Zaroury) were out on loan for part or all of the season.

It's just a list of players that have left the club after being on loan or have been sold since the end of the season mate.

There's no agenda to it, folk keep asking for a true up of who's gone and who's still here. If you don't want to include those that were on loan then it's all good, it'll still be a large squad rebuild when the dust has settled.

[burnley007]

If Ajax are struggling with weghorst fee then surely we could swap them with akpom

Let them pay in instalments would be better.

[criminalclaret]

Zaroury was being talked about bring worth North of £30m till VK destroyed his confidence. Best winger since Super Glen and he will be missed.

Thats twice in 2 threads you talk about VK being responsible for Zaroury's demise and I really think you have some claret tinted glasses on. He never got going for the second half of our Champ winning season, albeit making some great contributions at times. After the PL sideline and when his opportunity at Hull came to make a name for himself, under a completely different manager and team, he still didn't get going when according to some on here he was too good for Hull!

I'm sad we won't get to see what will become of him but we have sold him for twice we bought for him for 1/4 of his contributions, that's a damn good deal.

[123EasyasBFC]

Let them pay in instalments would be better.

Not if the rumours Amdouni wants out are true, we will need another proper number 10

[criminalclaret]

Do ALK seriously question the atmosphere when they sell off all the fans favourites and have a revolving door?

Funny enough, when you get relegated from a league, you need to sell a few players to balance the books / have your best players poached by higher clubs. This is hardly a new phenomenon

[wadeswondergoal]

Not if the rumours Amdouni wants out are true, we will need another proper number 10

What rumours where?

[123EasyasBFC]

What rumours where?

https://x.com/andreoeausm/status/182664 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

[Casper2]

https://x.com/andreoeausm/status/182664 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

1 like , 323 followers

[wadeswondergoal]

We are quoting Twitter accounts with 323 followers now?

Things must be bad.

[bumba]

Funny enough, when you get relegated from a league, you need to sell a few players to balance the books / have your best players poached by higher clubs. This is hardly a new phenomenon

Obviously players get sold but the amount leaving is ridiculous and is coming across as any player we get an offer for will be sold.
The sales of VK, Muric, Berge and Odobert plus trimming the low fee squad players we don't need/want should have been enough to balance the books for a season

[RVclaret]

https://x.com/andreoeausm/status/182664 ... rNr6Z5x6nA

Another one of our better players will be leaving then. Our squad could well be 4th or 5th best in the league by next Friday.

[123EasyasBFC]

We are quoting Twitter accounts with 323 followers now?

Things must be bad.

It’s a rumours page mate

[IanMcL]

We've lost two first team regulars one of which hasn't played in the first two games we won 9-1, I fear for us to

You need to view what is foen the line, not just to date.

[wadeswondergoal]

It’s a rumours page mate

I can only assume that you like the attention, posting “rumours” from nobodies.

[CaptainKirk]

Obviously players get sold but the amount leaving is ridiculous and is coming across as any player we get an offer for will be sold.
The sales of VK, Muric, Berge and Odobert plus trimming the low fee squad players we don't need/want should have been enough to balance the books for a season

Why is the amount leaving "ridiculous"?
Is it higher than the last time we were relegated?
Every player at every Club is for sale, at the right price.
Including VK in your list to try and pad it out is a bit desperate.
Neither you, me or anyone else on this Board knows what is enough to "balance the books" (Not even sure what that phrase is meant to mean in our situation, as they certainly don't seem to be afraid of running up debts).

We should all calm down and enjoy the ride as, let's face it, we have no choice!

[123EasyasBFC]

I can only assume that you like the attention, posting “rumours” from nobodies.

You are the one that seems to want the attention, moaning at someone posting a link on a rumours page, why don’t you change the title to rumours but only from the account that have the amount of followers you class as reliable

[claretskeith]

Another one of our better players will be leaving then. Our squad could well be 4th or 5th best in the league by next Friday.

Certainly weaker than before the transfer window. I hope the owners have remembered how much promotion is worth because you'd be forgiven for thinking they don't have that in mind.

[criminalclaret]

Obviously players get sold but the amount leaving is ridiculous and is coming across as any player we get an offer for will be sold.
The sales of VK, Muric, Berge and Odobert plus trimming the low fee squad players we don't need/want should have been enough to balance the books for a season

All 4 players mentioned there are going to clubs in higher leagues than us for profit. Some faces we absolute knew were going. Then the odd few shocks like Guddy.

Have you maybe thought that some of these players may have no interest in playing the in the Championship again and have asked their agents for transfers? Benson and Zaroury have been here and done that, (Zaroury spent 3/4 of his time under contract in the Championship).

Its a combination of relegation, a bloated squad and a new manager. Had we stayed up and VK stayed, I would not have expected a massive turnover or losing our top players unless we were getting big fees for them. But this was always the case given our scenario in May

[Stonehouse]

Lorenz Assignon
Jacob Bruun Larsen
Jack Cork
Dara Costelloe
Darko Churlinov
Lawrence Vigouroux
Charlie Taylor
Samu Bastien
Bailey Peacock Farrell
Scott Twine
Arijanet Muric
Wilson Odobert
Sander Berge
Anass Zaroury makes it 14 that have left the club for definite so far.

You would imagine O'Shea, AAD, Weghorst and McNally are almost guaranteed to leave making it 18.

Then less likely than guaranteed but then JBG, Benson, Vitinho, Obafemi, Massengo potentially taking us over 20 outgoings.

This is a huge squad overhaul, bigger than the one Kompany had to do and if Parker takes us up then I wouldn't like to say which one is the bigger achievement but I know which way Id be leaning.

Out of the 18 there are several that are only lower Championship level a couple that are at the back end of their playing days ,one who did himself no favours rolling around like he’d been shot against Spurs and 5 that aren’t good enough to get us promoted.

[Tricky Trevor]

Thats twice in 2 threads you talk about VK being responsible for Zaroury's demise and I really think you have some claret tinted glasses on. He never got going for the second half of our Champ winning season, albeit making some great contributions at times. After the PL sideline and when his opportunity at Hull came to make a name for himself, under a completely different manager and team, he still didn't get going when according to some on here he was too good for Hull!

I'm sad we won't get to see what will become of him but we have sold him for twice we bought for him for 1/4 of his contributions, that's a damn good deal.

I’d love to know how much his ridiculous, as in stupid, red card challenge against Citeh had in his PL season. The 3 game ban may have changed his career.

[bumba]

All 4 players mentioned there are going to clubs in higher leagues than us for profit. Some faces we absolute knew were going. Then the odd few shocks like Guddy.

Have you maybe thought that some of these players may have no interest in playing the in the Championship again and have asked their agents for transfers? Benson and Zaroury have been here and done that, (Zaroury spent 3/4 of his time under contract with Burnley in the Championship).

Its a combination of relegation, a bloated squad and a new manager. Had we stayed up and VK stayed, I would not have expected a massive turnover or losing our top players unless we were getting big fees for them. But this was always the case given our scenario in May

If VK stayed they'd have been a massive player turnover regardless of division due to his ego and a lot of players not liking him anymore.
I said the 4 players sold should have been enough to balance the books, nothing against any of them moving on to higher leagues and all good deals.
Zaroury at 7 million and O'Shea at 15 million is that really needed?
Get Zaroury flying again and he's worth double next summer same with O'Shea

[criminalclaret]

I genuinely believe Zaroury did not want another season in the Championship and it was probably his ceiling for now.

[NewClaret]

I disagree, I think SP is building a team that can survive in the EPL for one season with 16th or 17th place finish as a minimum.
SP knows he has a reputation for promotion but not being able to stay in the EPL - he is therefore recruiting accordingly.

Fair enough, I’ll be surprised if current squad + rumoured additions could stay in the premier league for a year when we’ve lost our three best players from a season where we accumulated 24 points (although accept that was in part because of how we played).

I’d say we look as far as ever from a premier league squad now, maybe slightly ahead of where we were at the end of summer in our last Championship season on the grounds of O’Shea, Esteve, Amdouni, Tresor, Ramsay being decent players but we’ve also lost Maatsen, Tella, Muric & soon Anass too.

There is of course another week of the window to go, so that opinion might change. And of course Parker will know he has two more windows and a big immediate challenge to face first which is the immediate priority.

[RicardoMontalban]

It's just a list of players that have left the club after being on loan or have been sold since the end of the season mate.

There's no agenda to it, folk keep asking for a true up of who's gone and who's still here. If you don't want to include those that were on loan then it's all good, it'll still be a large squad rebuild when the dust has settled.

No, I get that and wasn’t implying there’s any agenda. Just pointing out that there’s a lot gone out the door that I don’t think anyone would say with a straight face were really vital to us.

This summer was always going to see a lot of departures. A bit of wheat and a lot of chaff.

[BigGaz]

The last I was told re Amdouni was that under no circumstances would he be leaving unless something ridiculous came in. We hold him in the same esteem as Odobert.

[criminalclaret]

If VK stayed they'd have been a massive player turnover regardless of division due to his ego and a lot of players not liking him anymore.
I said the 4 players sold should have been enough to balance the books, nothing against any of them moving on to higher leagues and all good deals.
Zaroury at 7 million and O'Shea at 15 million is that really needed?
Get Zaroury flying again and he's worth double next summer same with O'Shea

Lorenz Assignon - LOAN, didn't want to sign
Jacob Bruun Larsen - LOAN, didn't want to sign
Jack Cork - Always going last season
Dara Costelloe - Lower fringe player
Darko Churlinov - Lower fringe player
Lawrence Vigouroux - Lower fringe player
Charlie Taylor - Always going last season
Samu Bastien - Lower fringe player
Bailey Peacock Farrell - Lower fringe player
Scott Twine - Lower fringe player
Arijanet Muric - SOLD to higher league club for profit
Wilson Odobert - SOLD to higher league club for profit
Sander Berge - SOLD to higher league club for profit
Anass Zaroury - fringe player AND SOLD to higher league club for profit
VK - SOLD to higher league club for profit

[NewClaret]

Re: Amdouni, it’s hard to imagine he wants to stay here as a Swiss international playing in the second tier.

I’d love to keep him but I’m getting worried we’re going to sell all our best players the way things are going, but I’m shocked we sold Twine if there’s any chance he might leave.

[bumba]

Why is the amount leaving "ridiculous"?
Is it higher than the last time we were relegated?
Every player at every Club is for sale, at the right price.
Including VK in your list to try and pad it out is a bit desperate.
Neither you, me or anyone else on this Board knows what is enough to "balance the books" (Not even sure what that phrase is meant to mean in our situation, as they certainly don't seem to be afraid of running up debts).

We should all calm down and enjoy the ride as, let's face it, we have no choice!

I'd say we've sold more players already this summer than last time we got relegated. Last time we had several leave OOC, this is selling players so were choosing to do this.

[bumba]

Lorenz Assignon - LOAN, didn't want to sign
Jacob Bruun Larsen - LOAN, didn't want to sign
Jack Cork - Always going last season
Dara Costelloe - Lower fringe player
Darko Churlinov - Lower fringe player
Lawrence Vigouroux - Lower fringe player
Charlie Taylor - Always going last season
Samu Bastien - Lower fringe player
Bailey Peacock Farrell - Lower fringe player
Scott Twine - Lower fringe player
Arijanet Muric - SOLD to higher league club for profit
Wilson Odobert - SOLD to higher league club for profit
Sander Berge - SOLD to higher league club for profit
Anass Zaroury - fringe player AND SOLD to higher league club for profit
VK - SOLD to higher league club for profit

JBG, Benson, Weghorst, O'Shea and Amdouni could all be added to that list yet

[SirBob]

Anass Zaroury makes it 14 that have left the club for definite so far.

I think I predicted 20 players leaving at the start of the window and it looks like we won’t be far off. I’m not too concerned, as long as we keep scouting and bringing in players in the OW bracket, this Chelsea lad and the new forward Hountondji will hopefully be our next big things. A few more signing like this and keep a good core of experienced players and we should do very well.

[fatboy47]

The myth that Kompany left us with umpteen third raters in an unsaleable pile of miscellaneous dross isn't really holding up right now tbh.

[RVclaret]

Re: Amdouni, it’s hard to imagine he wants to stay here as a Swiss international playing in the second tier.

I’d love to keep him but I’m getting worried we’re going to sell all our best players the way things are going, but I’m shocked we sold Twine if there’s any chance he might leave.

How about the club and manager try and convince these players to stay with the club who put their faith in signing them and giving them exposure (arguably too much of it) to the Prem at a young age, when no other clubs do? The likes of Summerville and Rutter got their heads down last season and delivered unbelievable personal seasons for Leeds and still got great moves this summer despite no promotion.

[wadeswondergoal]

The last I was told re Amdouni was that under no circumstances would he be leaving unless something ridiculous came in. We hold him in the same esteem as Odobert.

But someone with 323 followers on Twitter knows better than you…..

[criminalclaret]

JBG, Benson, Weghorst, O'Shea and Amdouni could all be added to that list yet

We aren't having a conversation on hypotheticals. Apart from Guddy (always highly likely Weghorst (absolute no shock) we have sold 4 Good players for profit, and released a lot of fringe players and OOC players

The loss of Dara Costelloe, Darko Churlinov, Lawrence Vigouroux, Samu Bastien, Bailey Peacock Farrell are absolute insignificant and just a standard part of moving on from a club. Every club has players like this who move on or sold for a loss to get them off the books because they aren't good enough or ever going to get opportunities in the team.

[Tricky Trevor]

I wouldn’t have objected if we had asked for Tom Cairney in the Berge deal. Seems more his level than PL but excellent at our level.

[Elizabeth]

Another one of our better players will be leaving then. Our squad could well be 4th or 5th best in the league by next Friday.

This window seems to be hitting you particularly hard I've noticed from your recent posts. I don't know if it's the age difference between us but my experience tells me we are doing it the right and only way with an oversized and relegated squad. Trust Parker to know what he is doing.
I'll revisit my post if the likes of Cullen go , then I'll be worried!

[bobinho]

Not if the rumours Amdouni wants out are true, we will need another proper number 10

What do you mean “another”?

[123EasyasBFC]

But someone with 323 followers on Twitter knows better than you…..

You really don’t understand a rumours forum.

Big Gaz said Odobert wouldn’t be sold for more than 10m, he’s hardly the benchmark to decide who’s reliable or not

[123EasyasBFC]

What do you mean “another”?

If amdouni leaves we would need a number 10

[Colburn_Claret]

Obviously players get sold but the amount leaving is ridiculous and is coming across as any player we get an offer for will be sold.
The sales of VK, Muric, Berge and Odobert plus trimming the low fee squad players we don't need/want should have been enough to balance the books for a season

How can the amount leaving be ridiculous when we had far too many on the books at the start of the window. It would have been ridiculous not to take this course.
Berge wanted premiership football.
Kompany wanted Bayern.
Odobert was a good deal for the club.
Zaroury hadn't had a good game for Burnley in 20months, I would like to have seen him stay, but if he had he might well have been sidelined by better anyway. It's a good deal.

There's no predicting where it ends, but so far it's been a solid window. There's no need to lose our heads over the business being done.
Squad being reduced tick
Profits made tick.
Core of a good team/squad left tick

[criminalclaret]

I think I predicted 20 players leaving at the start of the window and it looks like we won’t be far off. I’m not too concerned, as long as we keep scouting and bringing in players in the OW bracket, this Chelsea lad and the new forward Hountondji will hopefully be our next big things. A few more signing like this and keep a good core of experienced players and we should do very well.

Yep that's the model and I'm happy with it so far.

The previous model of buying oldies like Jonathon Walters, Peter Bardsley, Eric Pieters, Dale Stephens etc to squeeze a final season or two out of them (with no disrespect to the effort they put in for us) vs buying unknown youth, letting them shine and selling them on for a profit is far far more sustainable.

Yeah its crap to loose a good player, but imagine we went down with a old load of players and no one interested in them? End up like a Stoke, Bolton, Wigan etc in mess paying it for years to come.

[criminalclaret]

How can the amount leaving be ridiculous when we had far too many on the books at the start of the window. It would have been ridiculous not to take this course.
Berge wanted premiership football.
Kompany wanted Bayern.
Odobert was a good deal for the club.
Zaroury hadn't had a good game for Burnley in 20months, I would like to have seen him stay, but if he had he might well have been sidelined by better anyway. It's a good deal.

There's no predicting where it ends, but so far it's been a solid window. There's no need to lose our heads over the business being done.
Squad being reduced tick
Profits made tick.
Core of a good team/squad left tick

Complete agreement.

I think it may be a generational thing, my older family relative is getting much more worked up over it than I am.

In AP and SP we trust

[Commy]

https://sportwitness.co.uk/burnley-want ... h-suitors/

Maybe wrongly, but I presumed he was on the subs bench as he had only been back in training a week or two.

[Quickenthetempo]

These owners needs to remember how much they put ST/ticket prices up when trying to sell all the better players.

[Raconteur]

How about the club and manager try and convince these players to stay with the club who put their faith in signing them and giving them exposure (arguably too much of it) to the Prem at a young age, when no other clubs do? The likes of Summerville and Rutter got their heads down last season and delivered unbelievable personal seasons for Leeds and still got great moves this summer despite no promotion.

I totally agree with this. It's what we should be doing or we should be telling them they should be giving us at least another season(well understood that we need to sell some)

Your Leeds situation is the perfect example. They were told to knuckle down for the season.

Another slightly different example that was on this thread is Jack Clarke. Sunderland have been batting away bids for the last 3 windows.

Why should we be bowing down to the demands of the players and agents every whim. No other club does.

How do us fans get any kind of connection if all we get from a player is a year of struggle and then they just do one.

[Steddyman]

So we paid 18.6M Euros and we want to sell himm for 18M Euros according to that article? Bunkum, not going to happen at that sort of price.

[NewClaret]

https://sportwitness.co.uk/burnley-want ... h-suitors/

Maybe wrongly, but I presumed he was on the subs bench as he had only been back in training a week or two.

My word, this is depressing. We have sold Twine, are letting JBG go and are also willing to sell Amdouni.

If it’s true you have to question what the hell is going on.

[gandhisflipflop]

These owners needs to remember how much they put ST/ticket prices up when trying to sell all the better players.

My dd increased by 3 pounds. A bloody travesty!

[summitclaret]

If we lose Amdouni now it would be concerning. However, we do need to find his best role. I think we need try him on the right side of a front 3, alongside Foster and Kolo. I don't think he suits a nr 10. In the Championship I prefer 3 in cm, with Brownhill the most advanced.

[Newcastleclaret93]

My word, this is depressing. We have sold Twine, are letting JBG go and are also willing to sell Amdouni.

If it’s true you have to question what the hell is going on.

Guess it depends if Weghorst stays