Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[burnmark]

My word, this is depressing. We have sold Twine, are letting JBG go and are also willing to sell Amdouni.

If it’s true you have to question what the hell is going on.

What a garbage article.

[Cooclaret]

I can only assume that you like the attention, posting “rumours” from nobodies.

I wonder what your other username is…

I can assume, that you must like the attention.

[NewClaret]

Guess it depends if Weghorst stays

He’s deffo going, I think.

[NewClaret]

What a garbage article.

It is, so we have to hope it’s nonsense.

There HAS to be a time the club says enough is enough and stops this revolving door.

[Hedontplayforyou]

Would like to see the outgoings finalised and see who the incomings do turn out to be , the lineup vs Sunderland could be interesting and a big indication of the season to come

[Newcastleclaret93]

He’s deffo going, I think.

Seen a few posts say Ajax have pulled out.

I could see Amdouni going if Weghorst stays tbh

[CrosspoolClarets]

I’d say we look as far as ever from a premier league squad now, maybe slightly ahead of where we were at the end of summer in our last Championship season on the grounds of O’Shea, Esteve, Amdouni, Tresor, Ramsay being decent players

I would add either Hladky or Trafford to that, plus Foster who I feel is a different player to our EFL season, Koleosho and Redmond. All have really shown they can cut it in the PL, Hladky hasn’t had a decent chance and Trafford is young and improving. The other guys showed they can cut it (in Redmond’s case in the past). But we have the bones of a decent squad,

[wadeswondergoal]

I wonder what your other username is…

I can assume, that you must like the attention.

Bit of a weird, unfounded accusation.

[Raconteur]

I also don't buy this "it was expected"

It wasn't for me. I expected to sell 1 maybe 2 stars if the offers were too good to turn down and then to cut off the excessive fat that wasn't needed.

We was constantly told last season that there was nothing to worry about if we got relegated. We would be in a much stronger position and the team was getting a season to develop. Now half of it is leaving

I totally understand that we as a club are correct to market us as a stepping stone but surely we should be expecting some success from the player before we let them move on.

[Holtyclaret]

My word, this is depressing. We have sold Twine, are letting JBG go and are also willing to sell Amdouni.

If it’s true you have to question what the hell is going on.

Probably time to prise yourself from the board for a hour, leave all your tech at home and go for a really nice brisk walk. Take in the fresh air and sights and sounds of the outside world

[burnley007]

Has Jack Clarke definitely left Sunderland?

[RVclaret]

Given folk didn’t like the link by the account with 300 followers, here’s a Swiss one with 4.7k followers saying Amdouni is close to Benfica.

https://x.com/kmedia_ch/status/1826668434530467944?s=46

[Newcastleclaret93]

Given folk didn’t like the link by the account with 300 followers, here’s a Swiss one with 4.7k followers saying Amdouni is close to Benfica.

https://x.com/kmedia_ch/status/1826668434530467944?s=46

Would be seriously disappointed in Amdouni if he left.

A player the club stuck by when he was shocking.

[Hipper]

Has Jack Clarke definitely left Sunderland?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/footbal ... r-AA1pfl16

[ksrclaret]

It's quite astonishing really how much the squad is being turned over in these last few weeks. This is the 3rd summer in a row as well. '

The need to liquidate cash quickly must be far more pressing than we thought.

[matttheclaret]

It wasn't for me. I expected to sell 1 maybe 2 stars if the offers were too good to turn down and then to cut off the excessive fat that wasn't needed.

So far though, that's pretty much what it's been hasn't it? Odobert and Berge the two certain starters that have been sold (for about £50 million between them plus add ons) the rest have been squad players at best, some of which weren't even at the club for some of last season. Even those players, the likes of Twine and Zaroury have brought in decent fees.

I'd say the club is doing a reasonable job of moving on players that probably needed to go in order to bring the squad down to a manageable level and some of these deals I'm impressed at the fees we're supposedly getting.

Of course there might be more key players that leave in the next 8 days, in which case I may change my view, but I don't think it's been a bad summer so far

[brexit]

Fair enough, I’ll be surprised if current squad + rumoured additions could stay in the premier league for a year when we’ve lost our three best players from a season where we accumulated 24 points (although accept that was in part because of how we played).

I’d say we look as far as ever from a premier league squad now, maybe slightly ahead of where we were at the end of summer in our last Championship season on the grounds of O’Shea, Esteve, Amdouni, Tresor, Ramsay being decent players but we’ve also lost Maatsen, Tella, Muric & soon Anass too.

There is of course another week of the window to go, so that opinion might change. And of course Parker will know he has two more windows and a big immediate challenge to face first which is the immediate priority.

Good point, but if the rumoured incomings arrive it will be a blend of old pros and potential talent next season.

[scrambledclaret]

Seen a few posts say Ajax have pulled out.

I could see Amdouni going if Weghorst stays tbh

Ajax have had a disastrous couple of years on and off the pitch and are apparently skint so not surprised they don't want an aging mercenary.

Source: my missus who is forcing me to watch them take on Darko Chirlinov's Jagiellonia Bialystok tonight. Please let Wout go elsewhere, I want him out of my life!

As for Amdouni, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he left. He's shown glimpses (notably a nice strike last week) but he never seemed to settle into a groove last year. I could be wrong but think we can cope without him this year

[NewClaret]

I also don't buy this "it was expected"

It wasn't for me. I expected to sell 1 maybe 2 stars if the offers were too good to turn down and then to cut off the excessive fat that wasn't needed.

We was constantly told last season that there was nothing to worry about if we got relegated. We would be in a much stronger position and the team was getting a season to develop. Now half of it is leaving

I totally understand that we as a club are correct to market us as a stepping stone but surely we should be expecting some success from the player before we let them move on.

These are very good points and I agree.

Also worth adding that Kompany said we were in a different financial position this time and would only n

Of course he might’ve been talking rubbish in the knowledge it wouldn’t be his problem.

[Belial]

Complete agreement.

I think it may be a generational thing, my older family relative is getting much more worked up over it than I am.

In AP and SP we trust

100%. False teeth flying everywhere on here. Not much mention of players we've brought in either to balance the arguments

We'll be fine. All good business.

[ervi34]

Yep that's the model and I'm happy with it so far.

The previous model of buying oldies like Jonathon Walters, Peter Bardsley, Eric Pieters, Dale Stephens etc to squeeze a final season or two out of them (with no disrespect to the effort they put in for us) vs buying unknown youth, letting them shine and selling them on for a profit is far far more sustainable.

Yeah its crap to loose a good player, but imagine we went down with a old load of players and no one interested in them? End up like a Stoke, Bolton, Wigan etc in mess paying it for years to come.

Can we stop pretending our previous "model" was focused only on bringing in oldies? Yes, we did sign some (and almost every single one did well) but at the same time, we also invested in younger, talented players like Taylor, Hendrick, Defour, Brady... It was working pretty well until we stopped investing.

[Raconteur]

Would be seriously disappointed in Amdouni if he left.

A player the club stuck by when he was shocking.

In this situation we should be turning round and saying
"we won't hold you back and stand in your way but you signed a 5 year contract, you have just completed year 1. Give us something back, a bit of success and then we won't stand in your way"

As a club we seem to be coming across as an easy touch where player and agent damands are concerned.

[Spijed]

All this talk about not having a potential PL squad....

At this rate there is no guarantee we'll get there to find out!

[Big Vinny K]

My word, this is depressing. We have sold Twine, are letting JBG go and are also willing to sell Amdouni.

If it’s true you have to question what the hell is going on.

So we have sold
Twine - a player who was mostly on the bench or injured the last time we were in this league.
JBG - a player who will be 34 in a couple of months and who we let go a couple of months ago….and then only resigned him with a 1 year deal.

And we might sell Amdouni because if that report is accurate he wants to leave.

Your mood swings are quite extreme. Was it not that long ago you were fully supportive of the model of putting the club in the biggest debt in its history and buying loads of young players so we could sell them on at a profit ? Are you not liking the model where we have a bigger turnover of staff than McDonalds quite as much now ?

[ElectroClaret]

Not much mention of players we've brought in either to balance the arguments

Noticed that myself...

[Big Vinny K]

Can we stop pretending our previous "model" was focused only on bringing in oldies? Yes, we did sign some (and almost every single one did well) but at the same time, we also invested in younger, talented players like Taylor, Hendrick, Defour, Brady... It was working pretty well until we stopped investing.

Ings
Vokes
McNeil
Tarkowski
Collins
Andre Gray
Michael Keane
etc etc

Some huge profits made on player sales under Dyche….and even better we got to watch most of them for more than a dozen or so games.

[KRBFC]

I don’t mind players being sold but **** me, the cheap players we are replacing them with are so underwhelming and will mean we need to buy another squad next season if we even go up.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Losing track of who’s actually left.

Anyone got a list haha

[claretskeith]

Losing track of who’s actually left.

Anyone got a list haha

Who's still here - will soon be quicker

[THEWELLERNUT70]

It was always going to happen with Amdouni, I think I said so as far back as last January. The type who you wouldn't want in the trenches with you and will throw his toys out the pram if we get relegated is I think what I said

If he wants to go f*ck him it says more about him than us

[NewClaret]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/footbal ... r-AA1pfl16

“Able to play”

“At the moment”

That reads to me like there’s a very good chance he won’t play, which is good news for us.

[bumba]

In this situation we should be turning round and saying
"we won't hold you back and stand in your way but you signed a 5 year contract, you have just completed year 1. Give us something back, a bit of success and then we won't stand in your way"

As a club we seem to be coming across as an easy touch where player and agent damands are concerned.

I'm starting to wonder what we agree too when we sign these players now

[Newcastleclaret93]

Who's still here - will soon be quicker

Haha that’s what I meant who’s actually left in the building

[Quickenthetempo]

So we have sold
Twine - a player who was mostly on the bench or injured the last time we were in this league.
JBG - a player who will be 34 in a couple of months and who we let go a couple of months ago….and then only resigned him with a 1 year deal.

And we might sell Amdouni because if that report is accurate he wants to leave.

Your mood swings are quite extreme. Was it not that long ago you were fully supportive of the model of putting the club in the biggest debt in its history and buying loads of young players so we could sell them on at a profit ? Are you not liking the model where we have a bigger turnover of staff than McDonalds quite as much now ?

We didn't let JGB go, he refused to sign a new contract.

[BigGaz]

All this talk about not having a potential PL squad....

At this rate there is no guarantee we'll get there to find out!

Yep this is the key for me. I think some are guilty of counting their chickens a bit.

Everyone knew that a squad cull was inevitable but i think most people's understanding was most of the fat and then a few first teamers.

We've lost 3 players that would have been guaranteed first 11, possibly more, and then selling players that arguably might have been next in line after them.

Fair enough, but in this instance I'm not bothered about signing bona fide genuine PL quality.

Maybe it's time to revisit a bit of the Dyche style pragmatism that's worked ok for us and sign some lads like Worrall that might not be long term PL assets but know how to grind their way out of the league.

[NewClaret]

All this talk about not having a potential PL squad....

At this rate there is no guarantee we'll get there to find out!

I’m trying not to get too worried until it becomes clearer who we are targeting and who we’re going to keep but I’m way less confident of an immediate return than I was.

Probably not ideal to be playing Rovers the day after the transfer window closes either, given it could be a busy one.

Can understand Parkers bumps in the roads comments a bit more now.

[Mattster]

The issue is we're fast shedding the players we were excited to see back in the Championship. I was fine with losing Berge and Odobert as long as we kept hold of the rest. If Amdouni goes too, then it's only really Koleosho that's left and it concerns me that he'll be wondering why he's staying when everyone else is being ushered out of the door.

My other concern is that as things stand with reported exits, we'll have Koleosho and Vitinho (who is a right back) as our only fit senior wingers. Whilst we're apparently looking at Johnston and Sarmiento, who are (showing little learning from last season) both left wingers so would be competition for Koleosho. Loading up further on left wingers when we have Redmond, Tresor and Ramsey who all prefer to be left wingers too to come back into contention at some point. If we were clearing the decks and balancing the squad then fine but as it is we seem intent on maintaining the imbalance or possibly even making it worse.

[BigGaz]

I would also say that probably that the truth lies somewhere in the middle of

"It's great that we're selling anything that isn't strapped down, actually. Some of the players that have given us some of the most iconic moments that many of us will ever see weren't all that tbh"

And

"We have sold a number of players without replacing them with marquee, like-for-like signings, this is a disaster".

[claretskeith]

both left wingers so would be competition for Koleosho.

I guess Koleosho can play right wing too. But yeah, we've gone from thinking we have too many wingers, to now not having enough of them.

[Big Vinny K]

We only need 3 or 4 wingers…..just like we did last time we won the Championship.
Let’s wait till the end of the window to see how many we have.

[Mattster]

I guess Koleosho can play right wing too. But yeah, we've gone from thinking we have too many wingers, to now not having enough of them.

He can play on the right but he's primarily a left winger. Don't see why we'd want to upset who is all set to be our only remaining "exciting" player by shunting him out of his favoured position.

Are there no right wingers out there?

[summitclaret]

Where's your bottom line on all these departures?
We are getting near it for me.

Must keep Foster, Cullen, Esteve, Brownhill, Koleosho especially, Roberts (never thought I'd say that) and probably Amdouni. I'd include O'Shea but it's probably too late.

[Mattster]

We only need 3 or 4 wingers…..just like we did last time we won the Championship.
Let’s wait till the end of the window to see how many we have.

3 or 4 wingers is fine, unless all of them want to play on the same wing.

[Hbclaret007]

It is most likely that the whole squad is up for sale, provided there's a profit. I now understand why we were unable to attract bigger named managers. Good luck to Scott, but it doesn't look like we're preparing for the premier league in 2026. If we do manage promotion this season, we will be faced with another major trawl of the transfer market. Such is modern football

[dcunningham27]

O’Shea apparently wants to go wolves but waiting on them to meet the fee we want for him. But wolves may be struggling for cash

[warksclaret]

I was worried a few weeks ago, we would struggle to get the appropriate players moved out-did not realise it would accelerate to this level. WOW at this rate Obefemi could be starting soon. Sadly we have lost two already that are too good for this Division, and tonight feel certain Amdouini will leave us by the deadline date. The club has done very well to get the fees they have. Would like to see Wout and Obefemi gone soon so that Scotty can sort out his forwards now that it looks like Amdouini is going. We definitely need a defensive midfield player, a No 10, and a good winger. That assumes O Shea is not any where as he is one of the guys that will be more useful to us than bench warming at best in the PL

[ervi34]

Ings
Vokes
McNeil
Tarkowski
Collins
Andre Gray
Michael Keane
etc etc

Some huge profits made on player sales under Dyche….and even better we got to watch most of them for more than a dozen or so games.

Yes, but then it was called "selling your best players" now it's "our model", as if Alan Pace himself invented it. I have no problem with us selling, it's our reality at the end of all, but it's really boring to watch third overhaul in a row.

I also have a feeling some of our fans are more concerned with making profit on players instead of actual results. Just a few pages ago, someone was turning his head to Trippier, an England international (who wouldn't want to join us in the first place) because he's too old for us to flip him in a few years.

[Tricky Trevor]

Would be seriously disappointed in Amdouni if he left.

A player the club stuck by when he was shocking.

Is that not a good enough reason to get rid and recoup?

[blatherwickstattoos]

As long as esteve , Cullen, Brownhill, foster, Vitinho , koleosho stay we will be fine. Adding a few players in the process too. Exciting times

[claretskeith]

Yes, but then it was called "selling your best players" now it's "our model", as if Alan Pace himself invented it. I have no problem with us selling, it's our reality at the end of all, but it's really boring to watch third overhaul in a row.

I can only assume that the board are confident they can replace any player, regardless of who it is, for a lower fee than we sell that player for.