Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[CoolClaret]

I find it somewhat ironic that those last summer that were saying 'give it time' and 'it's a project' are the same ones repeating that crap when all those players we signed are now getting flogged.

Almost like the entire project was a load of **** from day one.

[midlands claret]

going to be a mad week i feel


https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/26/newcastl ... d-revived/

[AGENT_CLARET]

Well I can't. But how do you explain £230m of debt. Where's that come from. Club had money in the bank before this lot took over.

Where's that quote of 230m from

[agreenwood]

I find it somewhat ironic that those last summer that were saying 'give it time' and 'it's a project' are the same ones repeating that crap when all those players we signed are now getting flogged.

Almost like the entire project was a load of **** from day one.

**** me mate. We’re all annoyed, but you need a break.

It’s relentless.

[ervi34]

going to be a mad week i feel


https://the72.co.uk/2024/08/26/newcastl ... d-revived/

Some people on here won't be happy with the title.

[Steddyman]

Likely but one article might beat it.

I thought LC said we weren't going to be signing any more centre backs?

[BurnleyHeff]

How can you possibly know this? Where is any evidence that ALK have been taking money from player sales previously?

That person doesn't have any evidence.

[kentonclaret]

In isolation, I would’ve thought it would make sense to get rid of Trafford, but now it just reeks of desperation.

I simply don’t believe now that there is a core of players that the club want to retain and build a team around - every player is for sale it seems.
Some posters on here have listed key players that they would like to keep but, looking back at those lists, several have been sold already or are strongly rumoured to be leaving.

[CrosspoolClarets]

Kompany 10-13
Muric 10-15
Odobert 30
BPF 0.5
Vigouroux 0.5
Twine 3.5-4
O’Shea 15-17
Berge 20-25
Zaroury 7-7.7
Al-Dakhil 7-8m

£103.6-120.5m

Your high side includes performance add ons which obviously won’t all happen, and the low side excludes sell on clauses (plus agent’s fees) from previous clubs. So my thinking is that we will be getting £90m - £95m net (but using the same logic I don’t think we spent £100m last window).

The only other comment I’ll make on the finances is that Trafford and Amdouni on rumoured loans with buy options or certainties doesn’t seem to help as that money needs spending now, next season we are in the last chance saloon. Also anything from this point onwards needs reinvesting, as a minimum, arguably more. A squad value under £125m in a week’s time and we suddenly won’t be top two favourites with Leeds.

[gandhisflipflop]

He got two at Luton. Not sure where you get the other from.

Besides which I don’t base my opinion purely on stats. He looks weak defensively, made numerous bad decisions v Sunderland, his touch has looked way off it - he just doesn’t look up to the level that might help this team challenge at the top.

Of course, I’m not writing him off. Just merely suggesting that we need someone to challenge him in that position and I’ve not been convinced by him in the first three games. Some supporters seem to get carried away with certain players because of their nationality……

I thought he got one last week too. Even so as you say far too early to be writing him off.

[Big Vinny K]

Well I can't. But how do you explain £230m of debt. Where's that come from. Club had money in the bank before this lot took over.

Where have you got £230m of debt from ?

The money the club had in the bank was part of the purchase structure. The previous owner is directly responsible for that. And worse he denied Sean Dyche transfer spend because of it. A massive contribution to being relegated.

A lot of fans (including me) are not happy at all with what is going on. But you will probably feel worse if you believe stuff like this !

[ervi34]

In isolation, I would’ve thought it would make sense to get rid of Trafford, but now it just reeks of desperation.

To be fair, I'd even say every transfer we've made looks decent in isolation. Maybe we could've got few million more for Muric and O'Shea, but it looks like we're selling at the right price. Odobert for 30m - good deal. Zaroury for 9m - great deal. Fee for JBG - even better. But all three gone in one week with no replacements and it's a different scenario.

The problem is we've sold way too many players, lost half of the last season starters and I'm not who our incoming will improve the team.

[BurnleyFC]

The debt has been growing, but I’m not sure it’s at £230m.

ALK have basically been borrowing from Peter to pay Paul (with massive interest rates) all the time they’ve been here.

[CoolClaret]

**** me mate. We’re all annoyed, but you need a break.

It’s relentless.

"Yeah, you're right but I'll just be dismissive and gaslight a bit rather than respond to the actual point"

[Rileybobs]

I find it somewhat ironic that those last summer that were saying 'give it time' and 'it's a project' are the same ones repeating that crap when all those players we signed are now getting flogged.

Almost like the entire project was a load of **** from day one.

A few pages ago on this thread someone said that they now see this as a new 2 year project

[burnley007]

A few pages ago on this thread someone said that they now see this as a new 2 year project

There is no project. There is just money.
This is no longer a football club, just an American business.

[123EasyasBFC]

Surely we only sign Egan if one or two of Beyer, Ekdal and Delcroix aren’t going to fit until at least Jan

[123EasyasBFC]

A few pages ago on this thread someone said that they now see this as a new 2 year project

Hahaha 2 year project, let’s lose more money by it being a 2 year project, keeping your best players and making it a 1 year project sounds a hell of a lot better

[warksclaret]

We seem to gave gone from "not betting the ranch" as quoted by Barry Kilby some time ago, to now selling the ranch

[dsr]

For the record with the £230m, it comes from the club accounts.

Bank loans £70m
Factored loans £31m
Amounts owed to other clubs £66m
Other creditors £63m
Total £232m. This is fact, as per the club accounts July 2023, so no need for argument about it.

From that we can deduct cash at bank £20m and £40m owed by other clubs, plus £7m sundry debtors.

But we also know that between July and December a further £40m was spent on transfers, net of monies received from sales, funded we know not how, but the cost is in the accounts after-date figures. And we know that further purchases were made in January, eg. Esteve. So the debt will have risen for those.

[CoolClaret]

A few pages ago on this thread someone said that they now see this as a new 2 year project

Ha I read that as well, it's quite alarming how some people can't call a spade a spade.

[warksclaret]

In all fairness the selling of Trafford, (as long as its not a loan), is not going to have the same impact as the selling of Koleosho, Esteve, Brownhill, or Amdouini. The same applies if we sell Benson, who now needs to go.Assuming of course there are some incomings that can have a positive impact on our starting 11

[TsarBomba]

Al-Dakhil to Stuttgart. €7.5M.

https://x.com/berger_pj/status/1828010365650624547?s=46

[kentonclaret]

To those who had been posting “Just wait until the window closes and then assess the situation” well, not too long to wait now.

[123EasyasBFC]

The lack of links to any of Parker’s former players is so strange, the only link is travers who looks to be going to Blackburn. There are plenty of players Parker had at Fulham and Bournemouth who aren’t getting many minutes for far

[Row x]

To those who had been posting “Just wait until the window closes and then assess the situation” well, not too long to wait now.

Yep, 5 days... Let's wait

[alwaysaclaret]

Where have you got £230m of debt from ?

The money the club had in the bank was part of the purchase structure. The previous owner is directly responsible for that. And worse he denied Sean Dyche transfer spend because of it. A massive contribution to being relegated.

A lot of fans (including me) are not happy at all with what is going on. But you will probably feel worse if you believe stuff like this !

See dsr post further down the thread.
And Sean Dyche denied Sean Dyche a transfer spend, simply because he didn't think the club could afford it.

[BurnleyFC]

Maybe Alan is that wounded by Vinny’s departure that he just wants all reminders of him gone.

[ClaretAL]

I wouldn’t mind him

https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/182 ... fq6JjCFHfQ

[CrosspoolClarets]

For the record with the £230m, it comes from the club accounts.

Bank loans £70m
Factored loans £31m
Amounts owed to other clubs £66m
Other creditors £63m
Total £232m. This is fact, as per the club accounts July 2023, so no need for argument about it.

From that we can deduct cash at bank £20m and £40m owed by other clubs, plus £7m sundry debtors.

But we also know that between July and December a further £40m was spent on transfers, net of monies received from sales, funded we know not how, but the cost is in the accounts after-date figures. And we know that further purchases were made in January, eg. Esteve. So the debt will have risen for those.

No real value discussing this further on this thread I reckon. 2 and 3 on your list are part of the player trading model, arguably some of 1 too. I don’t think we have enough info to break down the full details of that, and how these latest sales factor in. We know our club currently likes to use debt to grow.

I see the transfer finances as a simple figure - in a week’s time, our squad value needs to be higher than everyone bar Leeds, to give us the best chance of promotion. If it is lower down that league table, it becomes a game of chance.

[cockneyclaret]

The lack of links to any of Parker’s former players is so strange, the only link is travers who looks to be going to Blackburn. There are plenty of players Parker had at Fulham and Bournemouth who aren’t getting many minutes for far

Maybe theres a few having medicals this week

[Bigvince]

For the record with the £230m, it comes from the club accounts.

Bank loans £70m
Factored loans £31m
Amounts owed to other clubs £66m
Other creditors £63m
Total £232m. This is fact, as per the club accounts July 2023, so no need for argument about it.

From that we can deduct cash at bank £20m and £40m owed by other clubs, plus £7m sundry debtors.

But we also know that between July and December a further £40m was spent on transfers, net of monies received from sales, funded we know not how, but the cost is in the accounts after-date figures. And we know that further purchases were made in January, eg. Esteve. So the debt will have risen for those.

I’ll take your info as fact, if you’ve any info on what’s owed to us by other clubs, which will positively affect the balance sheet, it’d be interesting to know.

[roperclaret]

For the record with the £230m, it comes from the club accounts.

Bank loans £70m
Factored loans £31m
Amounts owed to other clubs £66m
Other creditors £63m
Total £232m. This is fact, as per the club accounts July 2023, so no need for argument about it.

From that we can deduct cash at bank £20m and £40m owed by other clubs, plus £7m sundry debtors.

But we also know that between July and December a further £40m was spent on transfers, net of monies received from sales, funded we know not how, but the cost is in the accounts after-date figures. And we know that further purchases were made in January, eg. Esteve. So the debt will have risen for those.

Hi dsr, what would ‘other creditors’ be?

[123EasyasBFC]

17 players left this summer with the al-dakhil sal

McNally
Weghorst
Benson
Amdouni

To make it 21, we simply cannot have another summer like this again

[kentonclaret]

quote="Row x" post_id=2402944 time=1724666942 user_id=9130]
Yep, 5 days... Let's wait
[/quote]

As the lady says on the Fairy Softness adverts I am hoping for “A whoosh of freshness” to bolster a somewhat depleted squad now lacking any real quality.

[alwaysaclaret]

17 players left this summer with the al-dakhil sal

McNally
Weghorst
Benson
Amdouni

To make it 21, we simply cannot have another summer like this again

Probably Trafford to be added to this, although doesn't make any difference.

[Suratclaret]

17 players left this summer with the al-dakhil sal

McNally
Weghorst
Benson
Amdouni

To make it 21, we simply cannot have another summer like this again

It seems that the “revolving door” is becoming more and more common and maybe that’s how many clubs will operate in the future. In the premier league, the turnover of players at most clubs is incredible.

[Silkyskills1]

John Egan first in ?

Wouldn't really expect him to say no. Something he's dreamt about all his life.

[Row x]

quote="Row x" post_id=2402944 time=1724666942 user_id=9130]
Yep, 5 days... Let's wait

As the lady says on the Fairy Softness adverts I am hoping for “A whoosh of freshness” to bolster a somewhat depleted squad now lacking any real quality.
[/quote]

Agree, we need several quality signings, but you might have to be patient

[NewClaret]

17 players left this summer with the al-dakhil sal

McNally
Weghorst
Benson
Amdouni

To make it 21, we simply cannot have another summer like this again

Only three feasible scenarios:

1. we got ourselves in to way too much debt (most likely) = bad management

2. We signed players only willing to play for the club under Kompany/in the premier league = bad management

3. Parker wants to clear the decks and bring his own team
in = see 2, bad management (and almost worse that we haven’t learned our lesson)

[Silkyskills1]

Maybe SP's philosophy now is to sign anyone he can get, considering the fact that what's going on within the club isn't going to attract very many, of course it's certainly not the answer but I've got a feeling Egan can also play cm, could simply be a case of numbers.

Think Egan would play anywhere given the chance. Probably not goalkeeper though. That requires a special breed of individual.

[Guller Bull]

I would keep McNally and Benson now if possible though might be too far down the line. Amdouni needs to buckle down and get some decent performances under his belt to secure him a decent transfer in January or next summer.

Wout just needs to move on rapidly.

[sjb]

Wouldn't really expect him to say no. Something he's dreamt about all his life.

I see what you did there Mr E.

[dsr]

I have copied my post on the £230m creditors to the "ALK Capital ..." thread and posted a couple of replies there. Then we can leave this thread for transfer speculation.

[123EasyasBFC]

Only three feasible scenarios:

1. we got ourselves in to way too much debt (most likely) = bad management

2. We signed players only willing to play for the club under Kompany/in the premier league = bad management

3. Parker wants to clear the decks and bring his own team
in = see 2, bad management (and almost worse that we haven’t learned our lesson)

All 3 could be true but it all comes down to non football people running the club, we need a proper director of football or technical director

[kentonclaret]

As the lady says on the Fairy Softness adverts I am hoping for “A whoosh of freshness” to bolster a somewhat depleted squad now lacking any real quality.

Agree, we need several quality signings, but you might have to be patient
[/quote]

Don’t worry I can wait until the end of this week

Any longer and who knows?

[louieollie]

Maybe theres a few having medicals this week

Oh don't be sensible , surely it's much better to let the world know SP's targets 🫣..........this window can't close fast enough ‍‍

[Big Vinny K]

See dsr post further down the thread.
And Sean Dyche denied Sean Dyche a transfer spend, simply because he didn't think the club could afford it.

When talking about debt it’s not usual to add all creditor monies to the loans.
Under Garlick everyone talks about the club never having any debt - they don’t mention the creditors in that conversation.

Plus if you are going to lump all that debt like that to get a headline figure of money we owe - then the very least you should do is deduct your cash at bank and your debtors.

I’m not trying to defend the new owners at all but £230m of debt is a spurious headline number which in isolation is just not an accurate figure.

We also know that July 23 is now a historical figure. The money we owe for the player dealings has now reduced significantly with all the player sales.

If you want a realistic figure as to how much the club is carrying in terms of structured loans or financing facilities such as factoring then we are probably going to have to wait for the next set of accounts but if you look at the financial threads ton here and CPs estimates they look pretty accurate to me.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

All 3 could be true but it all comes down to non football people running the club, we need a proper director of football or technical director

Spot on with this. Pace should find someone who actually understands the game to act as a counterweight to the manager.

Preferably they should know who players like Eric Dier are.....

[123EasyasBFC]

Spot on with this. Pace should find someone who actually understands the game to act as a counterweight to the manager.

Preferably they should know who players like Eric Dier are.....

Like is it just Matt Williams doing the deals after Lee Mooney and the scouting team spot a player.

You have seen it with man united this season, as soon as they have football people doing the deals they have have managed to buy and sell better than in any window since fergie left