Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[claretskeith]

That depends on which Zaroury you remember? Great in our Champions season, but probably deflated after the VK knock back as he didn't pull up any trees last year, and didn't in his cameo this year. Add to that he might have asked to leave being so demoralised at what the club has done to him, then what we got was reasonable, we would all like it to have been more.

It was a like a season of two halves. Was brilliant first half, not so the second half.

[burnley007]

Think all 3 will be loans. Albeit Hannibal will have an obligation regardless of division.

We sell most of our squad, then get players on loan??

Are we absolutely broke??

[123EasyasBFC]

Surely United must be extending Hannibal’s contract by 12 months, he’s out of contract in summer so a loan with obligation to buy wouldn’t make sense

[FeedTheArf]

So Jedi .. you think the £120 m is sitting in a bank account and the board and saying a **** it lets sell another player???

No, I think it’s mostly gone to service debt. Debt created by ALK, serviced by BFC, for the benefit of ALK.

[RVclaret]

Think all 3 will be loans. Albeit Hannibal will have an obligation regardless of division.

We really going to allow Amdouni to go on loan to Benfica?

[claretskeith]

We really going to allow Amdouni to go on loan to Benfica?

I think he means the 3 incoming.

[123EasyasBFC]

Think all 3 will be loans. Albeit Hannibal will have an obligation regardless of division.

If all 3 are loans and we keep benson and amdouni then we wouldn’t have any spaces left in the 25 man squad unless some of the injured players aren’t being registered

[Row x]

Surely United must be extending Hannibal’s contract by 12 months, he’s out of contract in summer so a loan with obligation to buy wouldn’t make sense

But the deals done now, we just pay it next year. Had it just been a loan taking him to the end of his contract, Utd wouldn't have sanctioned it.

[Steddyman]

But when you factor in Humphreys is a loan with 12m if we go up, Anthony 10m if we go up, Hannibal Likely to be similar, in theory we are committing ourselves to 30m of next seasons budget if we go up

As opposed to last time we went up with Tella, Maatson and THB with no options to buy being agreed upfront?

[Casper2]

Perhaps you can let us know next time before this all happens again, two weeks before it happens. The club has to get the players fit regardless of whose coming and going pre-season. It the basics for every club that ever existed. The fact you can't recognise this simple fact is telling.

So you have to go to Spain to get fit , thinking that is more telling

[Jakubclaret]

We sell most of our squad, then get players on loan??

Are we absolutely broke??

You can validly & legitimately question how bleak the financial picture is with what's going on. The club seem to be risk adverse to long term committal signings. We might laugh at them down the road but the signs are we going in the same direction albeit they are more advanced & our PL past is more recent.

[brazilianclaret]

Think all 3 will be loans. Albeit Hannibal will have an obligation regardless of division.

So with Humphries that would leave only one more loan who could be in the match day squad (5 max)

[Rileybobs]

3 full internationals. Jack Cork especially is a special player and would be a fine addition on a free. If you saw Massengo and Brownhills completely lack of ability in terms of receiving the ball against Sunderland when pressed and progressing it effectively then you surely are aware of this.

My point is that Burnley fans obviously have an affinity to these players for reasons other than just ability. It’s because they’ve represented the club for a number of years and have forged a connection with the supporters.

[123EasyasBFC]

As opposed to last time we went up with Tella, Maatson and THB with no options to buy being agreed upfront?

Options yeah not obligations

[blatherwickstattoos]

More than happy with the 3 incoming

[gandhisflipflop]

So with Humphries that would leave only one more loan who could be in the match day squad (5 max)

If we signed these three, kept the rest and added a cm I’d be happy with that.

Big if though.

[Tricky Trevor]

Benson was wonderful to watch even when the defender knew he was cutting inside. Didn't do much last season. He's not young and a he's a bit soft. I can understand them selling for 9m. That is very good business. (LC says it might not happen and I'd be disappointed actually).

For me the main reason Benson got dropped to impact sub and then benchwarmer is he gives zero defensively. Modern football can’t stand the luxury of these players.

[Conroy92]

3 full internationals. Jack Cork especially is a special player and would be a fine addition on a free. If you saw Massengo and Brownhills completely lack of ability in terms of receiving the ball against Sunderland when pressed and progressing it effectively then you surely are aware of this.

To be honest. Anyone who thinks Cork is now better than Brownhill probably needs to give there head a bit of a wobble.

[claretskeith]

More than happy with the 3 incoming

Seen bits of them. As good as the exits?

[Steddyman]

Options yeah not obligations

Which had us on the last day of the window trying to spend over £30m to bring Maatson in. I think the board have learned this time, only loan if you have an option. Obligation based loans will be because we want to buy them now, but don't want to run foul of PSR.

[Steddyman]

Seen bits of them. As good as the exits?

You probably should be comparing them to the exits on the day we signed them. Who thought Koleosho and Oderbet were going to rip up the league when we signed them? Certainly not the selling clubs.

[Goliath]

My point is that Burnley fans obviously have an affinity to these players for reasons other than just ability. It’s because they’ve represented the club for a number of years and have forged a connection with the supporters.

Ah yes I misinterpreted. That's a tricky one though, 2 of them were too good for us and didn't stay long term just like the current bunch. It must be difficult to find players that will want to stay long term but are also good enough to challenge at the top.

Our team looks short of technical ability to me because they are the ones that are most in demand. For me we need to be looking at players like zaroury/benson who can create and beat men 1 v 1. Is it that important other they are here that long? I'm not sure it is. If we can keep Brownhill then we have a few leaders in him, Worrall, Rodriguez, Cullen and possibly Ekdal. I think that's enough to carry the dressing room, it's the actual quality we are missing now.

[thomaspaine]

Agreeing to pay more for Anthony than we received for Zaroury is just terrible business, no matter how you spin it

Firstly confirmed exact figures for the two players you mentioned haven’t been released as yet. Secondly whatever the small differential in price is I don’t believe it’s bad business …..

[Conroy92]

Maybe its because my understanding from a financial aspect has been poor, but it feels like an iceberg has hit that I was not too aware of.
Can someone with some financial understanding, Chester Perry or someone, please explain to me if this is all as bad as it looks?

[Goliath]

To be honest. Anyone who thinks Cork is now better than Brownhill probably needs to give there head a bit of a wobble.

Football isn't that black and white and anyone who gives an opinion as basic as that should probably stick to just watching.

Cork is absolutely streets ahead in a lot of vital aspects of the game ie the technical bits such as making space, receiving under pressure and progressing the ball without ever seemingly being at risk of giving it away. Brownhill can set the tempo with his pressing and energy but he needs a Cork next to him or the game will lack any sort of structure and control in possession.

In a sense they aren't comparable as they play totally different roles.

[brazilianclaret]

I think the board have learned this time, only loan if you have an option.

Doesn't seem to be the case for sarmiento?

[Tricky Trevor]

But when you factor in Humphreys is a loan with 12m if we go up, Anthony 10m if we go up, Hannibal Likely to be similar, in theory we are committing ourselves to 30m of next seasons budget if we go up

We can then move them on if not considered value. Worth the risk if we do go up. No loss if we don’t.

[louieollie]

Agreeing to pay more for Anthony than we received for Zaroury is just terrible business, no matter how you spin it

But is it really? , Zaroury was class in the championship yet wasn't even deemed good enough for the premiership. Where as Anthony has played in the premiership as well as the championship. Maybe it's time to steady the ship with proven players, just a thought .

[Tricky Trevor]

What boils my p1ss is the thought of VK getting improvement money on the sale of players he brought in. Remembering the antics of Harry Redknapp, George Graham & Brian Clough it grates.

[Tricky Trevor]

Jack Cork had lost all his pace 2 years ago and picked up so many yellow cards for that reason. He certainly won’t be any quicker now. Thanks for the memories Jack.

[alwaysaclaret]

Athletic via Adam Leventhal, just tweeted that Trabsonspor have offered 4m euros for Brownhill, on a 4 year deal, with significantly improved terms on his salary.

Brownhill would be absolutely stupid to go, firstly can't imagine him being very fond of the Turkish game and can't imagine him settling at a club like trabsonspor, but he can walk free next year, would also be daft from a club point of view to let him go, but he strikes me as a player that at this stage will honour he's contract and help the cause and be happy with a move to a lower Premier league club next season on better wages.

[warksclaret]

Jack Cork had lost all his pace 2 years ago and picked up so many yellow cards for that reason. He certainly won’t be any quicker now. Thanks for the memories Jack.

If Jack with all his experience still had plenty to offer, why did no club snap him up-after all he was free

[pureclaret]

Alledgedly Manchester United’s Hannibal Mejbri, Brighton & Hove Albion’s Jeremy Sarmiento and Bournemouth’s Jaidon Anthony.

[forzagranata]

Brownhill would be absolutely stupid to go, firstly can't imagine him being very fond of the Turkish game and can't imagine him settling at a club like trabsonspor, but he can walk free next year, would also be daft from a club point of view to let him go, but he strikes me as a player that at this stage will honour he's contract and help the cause and be happy with a move to a lower Premier league club next season on better wages.

He should be offered a new contract, simple as that. We need him and it would cost way more than 4 million to replace him.

Surely we aren't that desperate for 4 million quid?

[AGENT_CLARET]

That should keep a few mattresses dry tonight

[wadeswondergoal]

There’s already a thread about this.

[Blyclaret]

Agreeing to pay more for Anthony than we received for Zaroury is just terrible business, no matter how you spin it

So your SP and Zaroury comes to you and says I don’t want to play for Burnley any more.
What do you do ??

[Chester Perry]

Which had us on the last day of the window trying to spend over £30m to bring Maatson in. I think the board have learned this time, only loan if you have an option. Obligation based loans will be because we want to buy them now, but don't want to run foul of PSR.

The sale will still go through in this financial year - which is important to Man United - the issue for us would be more aligned to cash flow than PSR

[warksclaret]

So your SP and Zaroury comes to you and says I don’t want to play for Burnley any more.
What do you do ??

Exactly-he could not get off to Hull quick enough last year and this season showed the same. Whereas SP knows Anthony, who is willing to commit to our club

[claretburns]

Could be b****** but, Fabio now reporting Hannibal medical and Sacha Tav reporting, all 3, Sarmiento, Hannibal and Anthony.

They get their info from somewhere. Whether it is someone on here who shares the info on X and it gets picked up and shared. This info is then available to our rivals and provides them an opportunity to hijack the deals. We can ill afford that at this time.

I think we can all agree that LongsideClaret has been extremely accurate with the information they have shared... and I am very grateful for their insight. LC quite rightly doesn't always provide their names until its just about done.

Of course there are other sources of info. It was just a view that I pondered.

Is that you Stan?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Agreeing to pay more for Anthony than we received for Zaroury is just terrible business, no matter how you spin it

Zaroury had 4 fantastic month's and that was it, we never saw that Zaroury after the world's Cup

[Corway]

Al Dakhill off to Stuttgart?
Said to closing in on move after an agreement worth in excess of €9 million (£7.6 million) was reached between the two clubs. We paid €5m

[Conroy92]

Football isn't that black and white and anyone who gives an opinion as basic as that should probably stick to just watching.

Cork is absolutely streets ahead in a lot of vital aspects of the game ie the technical bits such as making space, receiving under pressure and progressing the ball without ever seemingly being at risk of giving it away. Brownhill can set the tempo with his pressing and energy but he needs a Cork next to him or the game will lack any sort of structure and control in possession.

In a sense they aren't comparable as they play totally different roles.

He isn't though. He may have been at one time which is the bit you are completely ignoring. You cant make space, receive the ball under pressure well and progress the ball when you don't have the legs to get away from your man or to pick up those positions on the pitch anymore.
People talk about going backwards on here yet you'd have Brownhill and Cork starting next week. Its mental.

[summitclaret]

We sell most of our squad, then get players on loan??

Are we absolutely broke??

Suspect trying hard not to be.

[Corway]

Burnley have received a €4 million (£3.4 million) transfer bid from Turkish outfit Trabzonspor for captain Josh Brownhill. ??
4 year contract and higher salary apparently.

[mybloodisclaret]

Is that you Stan?

No. Although I did like Mr Ternent

[Walton]

Good job no one had a hissy fit yesterday then isn't it

[Chester Perry]

Maybe its because my understanding from a financial aspect has been poor, but it feels like an iceberg has hit that I was not too aware of. Can someone with some financial understanding, Chester Perry or someone, please explain to me if this is all as bad as it looks?

I was asked about this on Saturday - my answers are not overly helpful

are all these sales imperative this summer ?

Depends who is calling the shots -

if it is Kevin Griffin (https://mgginv.com/team/) - then yes

if it is Pace and Co - maybe not

gut feeling ?

probably a combination of things (not helpful I know) -

- there is cost management - big earners leaving/being got off the books, which may in part be down to not having relegation clauses on some of our bigger signings (I think Wout is a example that ALK/VSL have not learned from - Ajax want him but cannot afford his wages and a fee - he will end up walking and we have never earned any of the fee back - his loans just covered some or all his wages from what I can tell without any additional fee.

-we need cash to cover existing commitments/obligations, even for settling accounts on players we have sold, particularly those bough from English clubs. A situation that will be exacerbated if MGG block factoring of incoming transfer fees, which I think they will. Those signed from abroad are not subject to the same constraints, making profitable deals like Odobert better for cashflow, we likely won't finish paying the initial fee for him for another two years.

- It is fair to say some players signed up for a different project

- if I am right about the scale of the loans it means £10m or so in interest (maybe more), we do not know if relegation means an enforced repayment or when that has to be made, with MSD it was July with MGG it could be the same or September or not at all

- buying new players requires upfront monies as down payments and if selling clubs believe our finances are challenged they may demand more up from


I do not expect ALK/VSL to be overly forthcoming on the situation, given how they have so far made it very difficult for us to have a clearer understanding, as always we have to wait for events to unfold and judge on the fragments we are given with what I refer to as deliberately obscured hindsight

I should add that if we made a significant loss last season then PSR will be a big concern when we report on this season to the EFL/PL in December 2025 - it may be that we have to watch that number closely all season - promotion costs the club very significant sums in bonuses and conditional transfer fees.

[Corway]

Trafford and Newcastle
Newcastle’s have a preference for a loan deal with a purchase obligation is a strategic move aimed at balancing their financial commitments while complying with PSR requirements.

[claretskeith]

He should be offered a new contract, simple as that.

I can't say I rate this board, but I'm pretty sure they will have offered him one.