Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[ksrclaret]

I'm trying to recall what LC said a week or so ago now, but I'm sure he said that Vitinho just had couple of clubs in Brazil after him. There wasn't any mention of European interest in him.

If he's said he wants to stay in Europe, I think he probably means with Burnley. I hope so anyway, despite his showing at Sunderland.

[boatshed bill]

Not ideal, but Zaroury wanted out and we have a similar player who is hungry and wants to impress rather than a sulking one who wants leave. No brainer for me.

With all due respect, Ziggy, wanting out doesn't mean the player is sulking. This implies inside knowledge of the player's personality.

[CoolClaret]

Seen a few comments having a pop at Koleosho and Foster for not showing more loyalty. IF they actually want to go and we haven’t now just reached the **** stirring phase of a crisis, I think this is unfair.

Hopefully it’s a basic practice for your employer to show patience and understanding when injury or illness prevents you from doing your job. It shouldn’t prevent you from trying to better yourself when you recover.

Difference being you don't get thousands of pounds a week on the sick, you get f**k all.

[NewClaret]

Not ideal, but Zaroury wanted out and we have a similar player who is hungry and wants to impress rather than a sulking one who wants leave. No brainer for me.

Will a loan really be in any way committed to this club?

I appreciate Zaroury likely wanted out which is because he was mismanaged as well. It’s collective chickens coming home to roost here that are so frustrating, but I’m not sure expensive loans are the answer either.

It feels like one expensive mistake compounded by another to me.

[colne-claret]

All gone quiet on Benson leaving.

[Inchysince1993]

As toxic as things are right now, we can only hope we bring in those already rumoured along with a few more. Eventually this squad has Ramsey, Redmond, Beyer and Ekdal who will certainly help. We have Worrall too now.

Whoever is here Saturday morning, the Derby is a great chance for this team to start afresh and forge some team spirit. Blackburn aren't that great a side and with a few glowing debuts we can achieve a team morale by 3pm Saturday that not even a full pre season might have.

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[Hedontplayforyou]

Sarmiento starting

[boatshed bill]

Difference being you don't get thousands of pounds a week on the sick, you get f**k all.

Depends on your contract.

[stateofthenation]

Amdouni signed for Benfica for loan and €15m obligation to buy, we paid €18m for him, so it's not even about profit anymore, just whatever we can get for people.

Its safe to say there isn’t a strategy involved in this…

… certainly not one a football club would ever execute… let alone expect any success from.

[GetIntoEm]

Just waiting for Benson to bang one in Saturday and folk will be back to whacking their dog off

[SirBob]

Will a loan really be in any way committed to this club?

I appreciate Zaroury likely wanted out which is because he was mismanaged as well. It’s collective chickens coming home to roost here that are so frustrating, but I’m not sure expensive loans are the answer either.

It feels like one expensive mistake compounded by another to me.

Players perform when they are happy, as we saw in the promotion season with the likes of Tella etc

Loan fees are normal in football, we likely pay loan fees for every one we’ve signed and receive one for everyone we send out, unless it’s just some kid going to Accrington for first team experience.

A loan fee with the option to buy if promoted is clearly a good option for us. Or we could just bang out 10million now, not get promoted and be financially ruined next summer

[wilks_bfc]

I've obviously missed something in the pages I’ve not read
What’s all this about Foster?

[boatshed bill]

Will a loan really be in any way committed to this club?

I appreciate Zaroury likely wanted out which is because he was mismanaged as well. It’s collective chickens coming home to roost here that are so frustrating, but I’m not sure expensive loans are the answer either.

It feels like one expensive mistake compounded by another to me.

I'm not sure if he was mismanaged, but Zaroury definitely needed a move, likely in the hope of recovering his best form.

[Enola Gay]

Absolute insanity to start afresh again. If Brownhill goes, the club captain, what does that say

It the publicised rumours are true it says to me that a player who'll be 29 soon has been offered probably his last long-term contract on a significantly increased wage and has decided to chance it.

In other words the kind of thing that happens at binload of clubs in every window, but looks worse because of the background noise surrounding the club. If it had happened this time last summer we'd be Googling 'all the best' in Turkish.

[agreenwood]

Difference being you don't get thousands of pounds a week on the sick, you get f**k all.

So get a guy has recovered from mental health issues, how long is reasonable for him to stay with us until he’s repaid his debt of loyalty?

Obviously completely hypothetical at this stage of course, as there’s no actual evidence he wants to leave.

[claretskeith]

All gone quiet on Benson leaving.

Thank the bloody lord.

[RVclaret]

Sounds like Luton are losing a few of their key players too. Ogbene set to join Ipswich and Kaminski to Leicester. Ipswich been linked with Chong too. Not quite in the everyone situation like us though.

[Ziggy Stardust]

With all due respect, Ziggy, wanting out doesn't mean the player is sulking. This implies inside knowledge of the player's personality.

That's fair. I just assumed he would be sulking if he didn't get his move. Perhaps this just modern football these days and we are all dinosaurs?

[Row x]

Will a loan really be in any way committed to this club?

I appreciate Zaroury likely wanted out which is because he was mismanaged as well. It’s collective chickens coming home to roost here that are so frustrating, but I’m not sure expensive loans are the answer either.

It feels like one expensive mistake compounded by another to me.

Tella, Maatsen, THB all seemed pretty committed to me

[ClaretAL]

Some of these players are an absolute disgrace.

This is my feeling in all of this

[GetIntoEm]

Difference being you don't get thousands of pounds a week on the sick, you get f**k all.

I'd expect still to get paid in full if I was off work with mental health issues. Absolutely

[Stonehouse]

Sarmiento starting

Why the hell would he be starting?some of our lot wouldn’t play if there was a whiff of a transfer in the Sunday Sport I think that it dead in the water.

[GetIntoEm]

This is my feeling in all of this

Who's a disgrace? Come on, can you really expect people to turn down top level clubs and triple their money just for the love of Burnley and to keep a message board quiet and content?

[MartynHesketh]

I'm not usually one to post on forums but genuinely feel like I need too.

Is anyone at the point now where they're genuinely concerned about the football club? I can only imagine what the atmosphere must be like around the place?

Also if you was a footballer looking in the club with everything going on right now would you want to come & play for it? I just worry that we look a mess & we're operating like one too & it's being aired for all to see.

I might be worrying for nothing but I am at the point now where I am genuinely concerned about what's going on.

[bpgburn]

Obligation or option?

He’s a player I really don’t rate.

willsclarets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 26, 2024 6:41 pm
Do you really know enough to say they are huge downgrades? Anthony produced as much as Benson or Zaroury in bournemouth's promotion season. Wasn't as good last year, but then neither was Zaroury. You could argue Zaroury is better, but massively so? I don't think anything really backs that up.

Post by NewClaret » Mon Aug 26, 2024 6:46 pm
No I don’t. It’s just an opinion...

You don't rate him? That's your opinion even though it's based on not even knowing enough about him. How about getting behind the lad as a possible signing instead of writing him off at every opportunity with nothing to back it up.

[Goalposts]

Eden hazard - just when you thought it couldn’t get any sillier…. Wont happen he retired last month but just where some people heads are at.

[Blyclaret]

Thank the bloody lord.

So Benson is our saviour. We are sorted so.

[TsarBomba]

Its safe to say there isn’t a strategy involved in this…

… certainly not one a football club would ever execute… let alone expect any success from.

What we’re seeing now is the result of Pace giving Kompany and his analytics company complete free rein to do what he/they wanted for 2 years.

There’s no project here, no process. What we’re seeing is unprecedented. It’s criminal mismanagement of the football club coming home to roost.

[Vegas Claret]

So get a guy has recovered from mental health issues, how long is reasonable for him to stay with us until he’s repaid his debt of loyalty?

Obviously completely hypothetical at this stage of course, as there’s no actual evidence he wants to leave.

where do you sit on people refusing to do their job once they are able to do so ?

[mdd2]

We still have a squad of 26 over 21 and three under 21 with apparently some more to leave and if there are 3 incomings that may push us up to 28 over 21 and 4 under 21-so we still need to trim the squad unless Byer, Ekdal, Redmond and Ramsay are out until January. Now i know we are expecting Amdouni and Weghorst to leave and maybe Trafford but we are not yet looking at a slim squad even if the quality has been drastically slimmed down

[jojomk1]

Who's a disgrace? Come on, can you really expect people to turn down top level clubs and triple their money just for the love of Burnley and to keep a message board quiet and content?

Exactly, but it's very difficult to sometimes see this when wearing claret and blue glasses

The Board certainly let VK have carte blanche in terms of signings last year although the recruitment team should also shoulder a good proportion of the blame

Pace and co are now like rabbits in headlights trying to fumble through the mess that they helped to create

The players are looking after themselves and maybe want to get away from this shambles whilst they can - who can blame them

[kentonclaret]

What we’re seeing now is the result of Pace giving Kompany and his analytics company complete free rein to do what he/they wanted for 2 years.

There’s no project here, no process. What we’re seeing is unprecedented. It’s criminal mismanagement of the football club coming home to roost.

All the talk at the start of this window of keeping a strong core of 5/6 players and building the rest of the team around them now not even mentioned.

[123EasyasBFC]

Some imminent Hannibal announcement, whoever it was that said that it was coming

[agreenwood]

where do you sit on people refusing to do their job once they are able to do so ?

I think it’s really poor, but what can you do? A football club can’t sack them because you’d completely lose their value. Fining them probably exacerbates the situation, as does consigning them to the U21s. It’s unique conundrum exclusive to a small number of professions.

Is that what we’re talking about with Foster or Koleosho? I’ve seen nothing but suggest either are holding out.

[Ziggy Stardust]

We still have a squad of 26 over 21 and three under 21 with apparently some more to leave and if there are 3 incomings that may push us up to 28 over 21 and 4 under 21-so we still need to trim the squad unless Byer, Ekdal, Redmond and Ramsay are out until January. Now i know we are expecting Amdouni and Weghorst to leave and maybe Trafford but we are not yet looking at a slim squad even if the quality has been drastically slimmed down

Some might call it a normal sized squad.

[Claretnick]

That would be great if they hadn’t been playing in Bournemouth today

My apologies, I did not know they were playing today. Got out of work and was skim reading all of the new pages since this morning on this thread

[Big Vinny K]

Difference being you don't get thousands of pounds a week on the sick, you get f**k all.

I know it’s a pretty shitty time but that really is a stupid thing to say.
You think money really matters to people irrespective of what they are going through

[Enola Gay]

We still have a squad of 26 over 21 and three under 21 with apparently some more to leave and if there are 3 incomings that may push us up to 28 over 21 and 4 under 21-so we still need to trim the squad unless Byer, Ekdal, Redmond and Ramsay are out until January. Now i know we are expecting Amdouni and Weghorst to leave and maybe Trafford but we are not yet looking at a slim squad even if the quality has been drastically slimmed down

Now, those four back in the squad and it looks a lot rosier.

[Row x]

All the talk at the start of this window of keeping a strong core of 5/6 players and building the rest of the team around them now not even mentioned.

Wasn't that Kompany in the documentary?

Not relevant now he's gone

[Newcastleclaret93]

Exactly, but it's very difficult to sometimes see this when wearing claret and blue glasses

The Board certainly let VK have carte blanche in terms of signings last year although the recruitment team should also shoulder a good proportion of the blame

Pace and co are now like rabbits in headlights trying to fumble through the mess that they helped to create

The players are looking after themselves and maybe want to get away from this shambles whilst they can - who can blame them

It’s all about character.

Esteve is the perfect example of this. Arguably our best performer in the premier league and he seems to be the most committed.

Some players have it and some don’t. Unfortunately VK preferred the European mercenary type players.

It is not normal to lose practically your entire starting eleven in one window. So let’s try not to normalise this as standard practise and fans are being overly sensitive.

[spt_claret]

Seen a few comments having a pop at Koleosho and Foster for not showing more loyalty. IF they actually want to go and we haven’t now just reached the **** stirring phase of a crisis, I think this is unfair.

Hopefully it’s a basic practice for your employer to show patience and understanding when injury or illness prevents you from doing your job. It shouldn’t prevent you from trying to better yourself when you recover.

Just my opinion on this but here's my 2 cents:

My previous employer, a rather corporate environment, did very little to reward loyalty or attend to employees with mental health issues. Physical health they were so-so, mental health, it was lip service to comply with laws. Several people eventually left, because the company didn't show much loyalty to its staff.

My current employer, I joined them and was offered a better salary elsewhere 3 weeks later. I turned this down, part for other reasons but in part because I believe loyalty does matter. I've had a number of personal circumstances since joining said employer that have required adjustments to my work patterns or location, they have been exceptionally understanding, they've also funded a qualification that I am midway through. I likely could get a better offer elsewhere if I jumped, and continue said course there, but I don't intend to, because I wish to repay that loyalty.

I understand our club is now owned by Wall Street finance men, Wall Street finance being a world where loyalty, honesty or principles don't tend to matter and the main priority is money. I would have hoped, and honestly thought, that even IF the ownership were of such mentality, then not all the recruitment would be. A spiral of mercenarial attitudes is bad for both business and society.

For all Dyche got stick for his defensive style or slow pace in the transfer market, he was about as loyal and high-integrity as there is in football nowadays. That matters, the proof is in the success it brought us.

[BurnleyFC]

TINNIES

Outstanding

[summitclaret]

We still have a squad of 26 over 21 and three under 21 with apparently some more to leave and if there are 3 incomings that may push us up to 28 over 21 and 4 under 21-so we still need to trim the squad unless Byer, Ekdal, Redmond and Ramsay are out until January. Now i know we are expecting Amdouni and Weghorst to leave and maybe Trafford but we are not yet looking at a slim squad even if the quality has been drastically slimmed down

Trimming unlikely to be an issue. Weggie, Zeki, Kolo and McNally will be defo gone. Probably Benson and hopefully not Brownhill and Foster. Our problem in that scenario is cm, out wide and up top. No pace, guile or goal creation anywhere and minimal goal scorers. That's cataclysmic.

The best we could do is 532 and grind out 50 points.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

Some imminent Hannibal announcement, whoever it was that said that it was coming

I think they wanted to announce all 3 at the same time to try and negate the backlash. If they announce him today it's going to be met with a lot of angry responses, especially with Sarmiento starting at Brighton.

[Big Vinny K]

We still have a squad of 26 over 21 and three under 21 with apparently some more to leave and if there are 3 incomings that may push us up to 28 over 21 and 4 under 21-so we still need to trim the squad unless Byer, Ekdal, Redmond and Ramsay are out until January. Now i know we are expecting Amdouni and Weghorst to leave and maybe Trafford but we are not yet looking at a slim squad even if the quality has been drastically slimmed down

If those 4 are out till January then they are going to have little impact this season. It’s also probably the reason they have not been sold this summer.

If we think this is carnage just wait till January if we are mid table or worse.

[claretskeith]

I think they wanted to announce all 3 at the same time to try and negate the backlash. If they announce him today it's going to be met with a lot of angry responses, especially with Sarmiento starting at Brighton.

I would be banging out 3 one by one.

[ecc]

When do Brad Pitt and Jonah Hill rock up at Turf Moor?

[Commy]

I know it’s a pretty shitty time but that really is a stupid thing to say.
You think money really matters to people irrespective of what they are going through

You obviously have plenty in case of emergencies. I certainly struggled when I was off for 21 months with Cancer and got SSP instead of my wage. Yes, I got other help but I was still over £1k a month down on my wage. Living costs go up as well as you are home all the time and need more heating due to the effects of Chemo. So yes, money does matter.

[123EasyasBFC]

I think they wanted to announce all 3 at the same time to try and negate the backlash. If they announce him today it's going to be met with a lot of angry responses, especially with Sarmiento starting at Brighton.

The way club does announcements they would never do them all at the same time, it’s all about eyes on social media

[Vegas Claret]

I think it’s really poor, but what can you do? A football club can’t sack them because you’d completely lose their value. Fining them probably exacerbates the situation, as does consigning them to the U21s. It’s unique conundrum exclusive to a small number of professions.

Is that what we’re talking about with Foster or Koleosho? I’ve seen nothing but suggest either are holding out.

I was merely asking a question in follow up to some of your earlier posts as we've seen it happen with players before