How long left for ALK?

[dermotdermot]

We had no debt whatsoever until they took over basically buying the club with our money. Face it, lads, we’ve been taken to the cleaners. Shafted buy a cheap bunch of crooks.

[123EasyasBFC]

We had no debt whatsoever until they took over basically buying the club with our money. Face it, lads, we’ve been taken to the cleaners. Shafted buy a cheap bunch of crooks.

Tbf how did you think Garlick was going to carry on, we had an aging squad and lots of players out of contract, at some point Garlick would of had to take a loan on the tv to reinvest in the squad to stay in the premier league especially

[Newcastleclaret93]

Tbf how did you think Garlick was going to carry on, we had an aging squad and lots of players out of contract, at some point Garlick would of had to take a loan on the tv to reinvest in the squad to stay in the premier league especially

I really don’t think they would have had to. Sooner or later we were going to lose our big spenders and start over. Remember we had a decent sum in the bank at that point that could have been invested.

We didn’t need 9-10 player we needed 4 or 5

[Row x]

I really don’t think they would have had to. Sooner or later we were going to lose our big spenders and start over. Remember we had a decent sum in the bank at that point that could have been invested.

We didn’t need 9-10 player we needed 4 or 5

There certainly was money in the bank, it's just that the then owners didn't want to spend it.

[123EasyasBFC]

I really don’t think they would have had to. Sooner or later we were going to lose our big spenders and start over. Remember we had a decent sum in the bank at that point that could have been invested.

We didn’t need 9-10 player we needed 4 or 5

The season we went down, had we stayed up we needed a rb, cb, lb, 2 wingers, 2 CMs and a striker, we couldn’t of done all that being a debt free club. People can’t use we sold 70m players as an argument because had we stayed up likes of pope, Collins, McNeil and cornet could of easily stayed at the club

[Cooclaret]

We had no debt whatsoever until they took over basically buying the club with our money. Face it, lads, we’ve been taken to the cleaners. Shafted buy a cheap bunch of crooks.

Don’t listen to Radiohead, it’ll push you over the edge…

Christ on a bike, get a grip man.

[JR1882]

There certainly was money in the bank, it's just that the then owners didn't want to spend it.

Because he was fattening the pig ready to walk away with it.

[Newcastleclaret93]

The season we went down, had we stayed up we needed a rb, cb, lb, 2 wingers, 2 CMs and a striker, we couldn’t of done all that being a debt free club. People can’t use we sold 70m players as an argument because had we stayed up likes of pope, Collins, McNeil and cornet could of easily stayed at the club

Tbf that was 18 months after the takeover (where IMO the new owners invested poorly and sold badly).

I think under Garlick we would have retained Wood and purchased a few around them.

Impossible to judge but I think in hindsight we would have still have Dyche and still be in the prem.

[Row x]

Because he was fattening the pig ready to walk away with it.

But that was ok because he was local.

[bfc8]

2020 takeover was £170m for 84%, valued club at £202m.
Financed largely by banks plus bfc's own cash.
Since then think owners have increased the 84% to maybe 90% plus.

So question is how much would a new buyer need to offer to get a deal, and how much would be 'profit' to ALK after banks and bfc repaid, if indeed the latter was done.

[123EasyasBFC]

Tbf that was 18 months after the takeover (where IMO the new owners invested poorly and sold badly).

I think under Garlick we would have retained Wood and purchased a few around them.

Impossible to judge but I think in hindsight we would have still have Dyche and still be in the prem.

They came in the January and we didn’t invest, they invested in the summer but not enough, but Garlick would of had to invest in summer 21 on 5 or 6 players and then again in 22 on another 5 or 6 players.

Wood was a release clause so Garlick wouldn’t have kept him either.

The way the premier league has gone we would have had to invest heavily which would have meant taking loans

[Clovius Boofus]

We had no debt whatsoever until they took over basically buying the club with our money. Face it, lads, we’ve been taken to the cleaners. Shafted buy a cheap bunch of crooks.

The pervious 'custodians' share some culpability as well as the current bunch.

[beeholeclaret]

The pervious 'custodians' share some culpability as well as the current bunch.

They’ve been accused of some things but not sure about this aspect?

[FeedTheArf]

Tbf how did you think Garlick was going to carry on, we had an aging squad and lots of players out of contract, at some point Garlick would of had to take a loan on the tv to reinvest in the squad to stay in the premier league especially

I’d have had no problem with taking on loans for the betterment of BFC. Where I have a problem is the club taking on loans so ALK can buy shares.

Where’s the benefit to the club? We probably did need modernising to a degree but you could pay a top CEO £1m a year and still come out about £90m ahead.

[JR1882]

What’s obvious in the last few days is just how talented & coveted last seasons side was. Backing Vinnie is now proving to be a huge error of judgement and he should have been potted towards the end of last season when we had a fighting chance still. There won’t be another season where it’s that easy to stay up, only 32 points needed.

He’s thrown their loyalty back in their faces and left us with a squad of players some of whom we can’t afford & others who want out.

[123EasyasBFC]

What’s obvious in the last few days is just how talented & coveted last seasons side was. Backing Vinnie is now proving to be a huge error of judgement and he should have been potted towards the end of last season when we had a fighting chance still. There won’t be another season where it’s that easy to stay up, only 32 points needed.

He’s thrown their loyalty back in their faces and left us with a squad of players some of whom we can’t afford & others who want out.

Correct should of been sacked after West Ham at home

[Big Vinny K]

Tbf how did you think Garlick was going to carry on, we had an aging squad and lots of players out of contract, at some point Garlick would of had to take a loan on the tv to reinvest in the squad to stay in the premier league especially

Why would he ?
He never took any loans for the rest of his tenure and managed to keep us in the PL for longer than any other owner for decades.
His decisions and actions would have been different if he had not decided to sell.
I know there is an element of conjecture in that but it’s an opinion based on his decisions and actions in the previous decade or so.

It’s been discussed on this board a lot that denying Dyche transfer spend and building up significant cash balances was to help facilitate the sale of the club. Garlick just would not have done that if he would have been staying.

[Cooclaret]

Good to see some common sense has returned to the board, and some have started to grasp the concept of libel!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Season tickets posted to old addresses on the club's records
An employee alledgedly whatsapping confidential info about 1st team squad players to the U21 squad, okay he may have been dealt with but who the hell appointed him
The estate agent trying to be a customer service director
Can't even organise simple catering on a match day
The list goes on and on
Now it seems the new head coach is having the rug pulled from under his feet with valued players being flogged to keep the money lenders happy

Well if you are happy with the direction of the club after last seasons' fiasco then good for you........

PS not even interested in the first 3 results as it is early days but to be in a situation where 14 players out of a 31 man squad unavailable with 2 goalkeepers on the bench and a smattering of U21's is ridiculous on matchday 3 IMO!!

The ticket office has been shite for years, we all know it
It hasn’t suddenly happened
Also, alk employ someone to sort it
They’ll sack that person if it turns out they failed

We got relegated, it ain’t the first time and won’t be the last
They trusted the manager, we’re not a club who historically chop and change managers every year
It didn’t work out, he’s gone and we got paid for him, we’ve got a new guy in quick

The squad - we’ve had departures and also injuries/illnesses
Again, it happens all over football

The list goes on because you lot are absolutely fcking determined to drag up every little niggle after we’ve lost our first league game of the season

It’s going to be a long season on here if we don’t win every game by the looks of it

Can’t sodding wait

[Stonehouse]

The ticket office has been shite for years, we all know it
It hasn’t suddenly happened
Also, alk employ someone to sort it
They’ll sack that person if it turns out they failed

We got relegated, it ain’t the first time and won’t be the last
They trusted the manager, we’re not a club who historically chop and change managers every year
It didn’t work out, he’s gone and we got paid for him, we’ve got a new guy in quick

The squad - we’ve had departures and also injuries/illnesses
Again, it happens all over football

The list goes on because you lot are absolutely fcking determined to drag up every little niggle after we’ve lost our first league game of the season

It’s going to be a long season on here if we don’t win every game by the looks of it

Can’t sodding wait

Sorry might be nit picking but I don’t think we got a new guy in quickly at all .actually it was around 5 weeks .

[dsr]

Sorry might be nit picking but I don’t think we got a new guy in quickly at all .actually it was around 5 weeks .

Though of course it's scarcely relevant how quickly they get in the new manager if all he is doing is pre-season for other club's players. If this year's players aren't coming till August, we don't need a manager in July.

[beeholeclaret]

Sorry might be nit picking but I don’t think we got a new guy in quickly at all .actually it was around 5 weeks .

It would've been a bit quicker but VK didn’t give us much notice by the sound of it!

Pep and Klopp didn’t get their applications in to AP straightaway.

Difficult to see how they could’ve done it differently.

Most football clubs go through difficulties. For example Ipswich are flying at moment but friend of mine supports them and they’ve had massive problems and stress for years.

Got to hope they can stabilise things over next few weeks.

[aggi]

You mustn't buy tickets then! It's practically a fiasco in one form or another every away game! Yesterday there were around 200 Burnley fans queuing in the Ticket Office at Sunderland collecting reprints for tickets which never arrived. Now that's a fiasco! Plus season tickets being sent to people's old addresses, that's another fiasco!

Ah yes, that has been quite the shambles and steps taken to rectify it seem minimal. It's the kind of thing that happens though, not sure if I'd be putting it in the owner getting deposed category.

[CoolClaret]

Ah yes, that has been quite the shambles and steps taken to rectify it seem minimal. It's the kind of thing that happens though, not sure if I'd be putting it in the owner getting deposed category.

Never used to happen though did it?

[aggi]

Never used to happen though did it?

Problems with the ticket office have happened for years. This has been a bit of a fiasco but it's not like it was operating great before.

No idea what prompted the move to Ticketmaster but given that lots of clubs that were on our old system have moved to them then I'd say it wasn't driven by Pace.

[dandeclaret]

What’s obvious in the last few days is just how talented & coveted last seasons side was. Backing Vinnie is now proving to be a huge error of judgement and he should have been potted towards the end of last season when we had a fighting chance still. There won’t be another season where it’s that easy to stay up, only 32 points needed.

He’s thrown their loyalty back in their faces and left us with a squad of players some of whom we can’t afford & others who want out.

Talented individuals...... not a talented team. I'm amazed, having watched Sean Dyche teams for so long, how many people still haven't grasped this. You can have all the talented individuals you like, but without balance, a team framework, a structure, a mix of experience and youth, and common values, you've no team, and therefore no chance of winning games on a frequent enough basis.

These individuals, may fit into another team, where the coach creates an environment for the best to be got from them. That wasn't last year's, naive, all change, development football setup, pioneered by Kompany and Mooney.

[claret wizard]

Correct should of been sacked after West Ham at home

You do know that this would have cost us millions in contract payments? With no guarantee we stay up, but with a manager who’d managed the 5th best ever season by any team in tge league we were going into. Massive dose of hindsight in lots of comments on here. You would have struggled to find 5% of people who wanted VK out last season.

[Jakubclaret]

Think they'll hang on until promotion becomes unlikely so far they have never experienced back to back seasons in the championship when the financially reality impacts more. Even after just a season we are seeing all this & that's after being compensated for our highest earner. It's not sustainable the season after next if we are still stuck in the championship with all the financial obligations.

[Paul Waine]

Has anyone picked 10 years, yet? Put me down for any date after January 2031.

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[ClaretTony]

Problems with the ticket office have happened for years. This has been a bit of a fiasco but it's not like it was operating great before.

No idea what prompted the move to Ticketmaster but given that lots of clubs that were on our old system have moved to them then I'd say it wasn't driven by Pace.

I was in the ticket office last Friday and the bloke behind the counter was dealing with someone who hadn’t received his Sunderland tickets. He told him it’s not a concern and that there are over 100 reprints every game. At Sunderland it was over double that.

Ticket offices will always have problems but this is a recent issue. You used to get your tickets when you ordered them, if purchased online they often came on the following day. You don’t even get tickets when you buy over the counter now. You are waiting for them to send them out, often far too late.

I’ve never known anything quite like this with ticketing.

As for Ticketmaster. A lot of clubs who used Talent like us have switched this summer. I’m not sure why but this one isn’t a Burnley issue.

[brexit]

Talented individuals...... not a talented team. I'm amazed, having watched Sean Dyche teams for so long, how many people still haven't grasped this. You can have all the talented individuals you like, but without balance, a team framework, a structure, a mix of experience and youth, and common values, you've no team, and therefore no chance of winning games on a frequent enough basis.

These individuals, may fit into another team, where the coach creates an environment for the best to be got from them. That wasn't last year's, naive, all change, development football setup, pioneered by Kompany and Mooney.

And Dyche is taking Everton to a new level.

[Clarets4me]

It would've been a bit quicker but VK didn’t give us much notice by the sound of it!

Pep and Klopp didn’t get their applications in to AP straightaway. Difficult to see how they could’ve done it differently.

Most football clubs go through difficulties. For example Ipswich are flying at moment but friend of mine supports them and they’ve had massive problems and stress for years. Got to hope they can stabilise things over next few weeks.

I was watching Sky's Saturday coverage, when I saw that Sammi Szmodics had given the " Tractor Boys" a 7th minute lead at City ...

The first thing that sprang to mind was David Narey's story from when his wonder strike from outside the box gave Scotland an early lead against Brazil, at the Spain '82 World Cup ! Gordon Strachan wandered up to him, shook his hand, and muttered, " Christ Davey, you've really p***ed them off now ! "

Sure enough, 9 minutes later, Ipswich are trailing 3-1 ...

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2XX6ohrKWdc

[Cooclaret]

You do know that this would have cost us millions in contract payments? With no guarantee we stay up, but with a manager who’d managed the 5th best ever season by any team in tge league we were going into. Massive dose of hindsight in lots of comments on here. You would have struggled to find 5% of people who wanted VK out last season.

I was one, in October.

[Row x]

I was one, in October.

Congratulations

[Cooclaret]

Congratulations

Finally, some recognition

[Stayingup]

How long indeed. How long does it take to asset strip a club like Burnlay?

[ClaretAndJew]

We’re being fed and fattened like foie gras.

[Quickenthetempo]

The ticket office has been shite for years, we all know it
It hasn’t suddenly happened
Also, alk employ someone to sort it
They’ll sack that person if it turns out they failed

We got relegated, it ain’t the first time and won’t be the last
They trusted the manager, we’re not a club who historically chop and change managers every year
It didn’t work out, he’s gone and we got paid for him, we’ve got a new guy in quick

The squad - we’ve had departures and also injuries/illnesses
Again, it happens all over football

The list goes on because you lot are absolutely fcking determined to drag up every little niggle after we’ve lost our first league game of the season

It’s going to be a long season on here if we don’t win every game by the looks of it

Can’t sodding wait

I thought you might have popped up to hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong about the new owners and your predictions?

[Row x]

How long indeed. How long does it take to asset strip a club like Burnlay?

What league do they play in?

Being serious, how much do you think they could sell it for if they did in fact strip all the assets, or more pertinent who would buy it?

[alwaysaclaret]

Hopefully not long now, get back to normality eh

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I thought you might have popped up to hold your hands up and admit you got it wrong about the new owners and your predictions?

Why?

They’re generating revenue and growing the brand
They’re ensuring we get money for players they’ve recruited
They’re not allowing contracts to run down
They’ve not run for the hills after the 2nd relegation
They’re making sure more players are coming in
They even made sure we got paid good money for Kompany

Yeah the clubs in debt but it’s one of those things and I can live with it

The fact they’re still here and the club is still ticking along seems to wind up the people who want the owners out

[Quickenthetempo]

Why?

They’re generating revenue and growing the brand
They’re ensuring we get money for players they’ve recruited
They’re not allowing contracts to run down
They’ve not run for the hills after the 2nd relegation
They’re making sure more players are coming in
They even made sure we got paid good money for Kompany

Yeah the clubs in debt but it’s one of those things and I can live with it

The fact they’re still here and the club is still ticking along seems to wind up the people who want the owners out

You're a stubborn one Sid, I will give you that.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You're a stubborn one Sid, I will give you that.

I’m not wrong though either

They’re not asset stripping
They’re doing alright with the buy low and sell for more
I’ve said for a long time we need young players to view us as a stepping stone to bigger (or PL) clubs and we should position ourselves as such
This is what’s happening
If we can provide a regular route to clubs higher up than us, then it’s a good thing

We make money that way

[dsr]

I’m not wrong though either

They’re not asset stripping
They’re doing alright with the buy low and sell for more
I’ve said for a long time we need young players to view us as a stepping stone to bigger (or PL) clubs and we should position ourselves as such
This is what’s happening
If we can provide a regular route to clubs higher up than us, then it’s a good thing

We make money that way

If performances and results are a measure of success at all, there's a downward trend. They took over a club on the edge of the PL relegation zone. 1st season was top of the Championship. Second season was hopelessly bottom end of the PL. Third season is what? It isn't looking likely to be top of the Championship. We are drifting down the league.

Money? If we are making money, then let's buy some top players to match the ones we have sold.

[Paul Waine]

If performances and results are a measure of success at all, there's a downward trend. They took over a club on the edge of the PL relegation zone. 1st season was top of the Championship. Second season was hopelessly bottom end of the PL. Third season is what? It isn't looking likely to be top of the Championship. We are drifting down the league.

Money? If we are making money, then let's buy some top players to match the ones we have sold.

I think you've lost (or skipped) a season, dsr. ALK bought the club Dec 2020. 2020/21 season remained in EPL, 17th or thereabouts. 2021/22 relegated. 2022/23 101 points and promoted back to EPL. 2023/24 relegated, again. The club is now at the start of the 2nd Championship season under ALK's ownership.

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[GodIsADeeJay81]

If performances and results are a measure of success at all, there's a downward trend. They took over a club on the edge of the PL relegation zone. 1st season was top of the Championship. Second season was hopelessly bottom end of the PL. Third season is what? It isn't looking likely to be top of the Championship. We are drifting down the league.

Money? If we are making money, then let's buy some top players to match the ones we have sold.

It’s almost like we’ve never been top of the Championship one season and lower end of the PL resulting in relegation before

We’re 3 games into the new season, winning 2 out of said 3 games and you’ve now decided that we’re not going to top the championship and we’re going to drift down the league….

Chuck us the lottery numbers, you appear to be an expert at predictions

[123EasyasBFC]

Wouldn’t be surprised if Pace doesn’t think he’s taken it as far as he can now, let’s build a safe team and sell up next summer

[jrgbfc]

Why?

They’re generating revenue and growing the brand
They’re ensuring we get money for players they’ve recruited
They’re not allowing contracts to run down
They’ve not run for the hills after the 2nd relegation
They’re making sure more players are coming in
They even made sure we got paid good money for Kompany

Yeah the clubs in debt but it’s one of those things and I can live with it

The fact they’re still here and the club is still ticking along seems to wind up the people who want the owners out

You're starting to sound like the fella who carried on playing his violin whilst the Titanic went down.

[ClaretAndJew]

I think the clock is ticking.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

You're starting to sound like the fella who carried on playing his violin whilst the Titanic went down.

Pace would have sold him too if the ship hadn’t sunk.