Summer 2024 Transfer Window Discussion - Rumours and Links welcome

[Steddyman]

Someone asked Nixon if we had any more incomings, and he said yes if we have outgoings.

Why on earth would Pace think we are ok with Jay and Foster in attack? It would be criminal to start the season with those two up front.

[boatshed bill]

To the fans of Burnley FC they have far more invested in the club than simply money, and to see the owners selling off players and not strengthening the team in key areas for the coming season is more than heartbreaking.

I totally agree.
But it's all the same, pursuit of success (finacial PL success) that some fans seem to feel that their emotional input deserves.

[MrEyres]

Yes it’s heartbreaking for everyone after the Luton and Cardiff games.

However the directors can have no complaints when offering no explanation to fans . Especially after the statements last season about not being the end and building.

This isn’t building it’s a demolition job .

[summitclaret]

Are some people thick? We have a good cf in Foster, one who got no service. What did he do wrong tonight? What do people think slagging off does for his mh and therefore to our cause?

[Hedontplayforyou]

Someone asked Nixon if we had any more incomings, and he said yes if we have outgoings.

Why on earth would Pace think we are ok with Jay and Foster in attack? It would be criminal to start the season with those two up front.

Attacking options of

Jay
Foster (toys out pram seemingly )
Hountondji - level unknown
Anthony

Is absolutely Miles away

Even if we add benson and Koleosho to that it’s still short, Sarmiento would have been a good addition as he can fill all three roles behind the striker unfortunately that seems dead

[NewClaret]

Someone asked Nixon if we had any more incomings, and he said yes if we have outgoings.

Why on earth would Pace think we are ok with Jay and Foster in attack? It would be criminal to start the season with those two up front.

It’s completely baffling me why we let Obafemi go on loan

[NewClaret]

No, but it wouldn't surprise me

This needs to be a jokes free zone from now until Friday night

My nerves are shot.

[Chester Perry]

Looking at AP’s history on the gov website it all makes sense…

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

Liquidation a common theme

that is far from the full story - a story that has been discussed and examined at length on the takeover thread

you also need to understand that because of failings in Companies House registrations - there should be an ID No for individuals, there are three different groupings for Alan Pace that give you a complete picture of his registrations.

This one covers his associations with the club and the latest entity to hold the majority of shares in the club

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

and this one is effectively from a previous period in his life in the UK

https://find-and-update.company-informa ... pointments

again the above have long been known and dissected on the takeover thread.

as for the recent notices of liquidation, there are still issues there that need resolving and from what I have heard it appears that there is still an ongoing investigation at Companies House into the lack of filings from Kettering Capital and Calder Vale Holdings - certainly the case in late June of this year according to submissions on behalf of Companies House at an appeal over a Freedom of Information request re Companies House and the removal of first Gazette Notices against those entities.

[dsr]

What are you trying to prove?

You have made many assumptions there that only hold water if best practices are being followed. Mission to Burnley indicates that they weren’t

I have been I involved with many businesses far more sophisticated than BFC whohave no clue wat is happening accounts are prepared for them

Their business is money. Their entire reason for being here is to make money. No way on earth are they forgetting to pay attention to how the money is getting on.

Some businessmen drive by the seat of their pants and forget to keep an eye on the balance sheet. It often ends badly. This lot are the other way round - as long as the money is right, the state of the business is scarcely relevant. They might forget to look at the league table, but they won't forget to look at the management accounts.

[Shaggy]

Are some people thick? We have a good cf in Foster, one who got no service. What did he do wrong tonight? What do people think slagging off does for his mh and therefore to our cause?

He’s utter shite let’s have it right.

Couldn’t score in a barrel of Fanny’s the lad.

[Commy]

Wasn't he playing really well before he had his problems? He ran Villa's defenders ragged and showed in that spell of games that he was a good player. He might still be struggling and needs a bit of patience. Fans slagging him off on social media won't help.

[whiffa]

At what point do we as fans start considering protests on Harry Potts Way? If we sell Esteve there's going to be uproar if we don't get some decent incomings before Saturday.

[MrEyres]

@Chester Perry and anybody else I worried with my findings on the gov website re Mr Pace my apologies . I didn’t realise was already discussed and not the full picture.

I will say that as a life long fan since the 90’s that I have never been as worried. So much so that I can’t bring myself to take my 3 year old on Saturday in case it turns ugly.

Never thought I would feel that way but family first and what AP said on our last encounter with Rovrrs about fans being important following the ticket fiasco away , doesn’t ring just hollow but a blatant twisting of the circs under a fluke (long term poor) managerial appointment in VK.

Devestating.

[Commy]

I can understand selling players for big money but why sell Twine for under £4m when we were selling all our no. 10s. That won't even pay Matt's phone bill after this window so why do it. It really does feel like Pace has decided to get rid of Kompany completely.

[Vegas Claret]

I can understand selling players for big money but why sell Twine for under £4m when we were selling all our no. 10s. That won't even pay Matt's phone bill after this window so why do it. It really does feel like Pace has decided to get rid of Kompany completely.

there is no plan and that's why people are getting mad

[Gp8419]

Are some people thick? We have a good cf in Foster, one who got no service. What did he do wrong tonight? What do people think slagging off does for his mh and therefore to our cause?

Call me thick but anybody that refuses to turn up for training for two days and also tgen doesn’t even have the decency to acknowledge his supporters at the end can do one! Would rather play a thick idiot like you up front.

[Chester Perry]

@Chester Perry and anybody else I worried with my findings on the gov website re Mr Pace my apologies . I didn’t realise was already discussed and not the full picture.

I will say that as a life long fan since the 90’s that I have never been as worried. So much so that I can’t bring myself to take my 3 year old on Saturday in case it turns ugly.

Never thought I would feel that way but family first and what AP said on our last encounter with Rovrrs about fans being important following the ticket fiasco away , doesn’t ring just hollow but a blatant twisting of the circs under a fluke (long term poor) managerial appointment in VK.

Devestating.

It is fair to say that many have not looked into the club ownership under Pace, even while it has constantly been the subject of extensive, examination, investigation, discussion and debate among a few herein from the get-go. It is also fair to say that Pace and his group (which we refer to as ALK/VSL as a result of it's complex structure) prefer it that way.

It is events such as this last couple of weeks that have started to see many more ask questions and be met with the issue that has always been apparent to the few, the information, where possible is hidden or obscured and communication whenever given is often vague and open to interpretation - I can only say that, that appears to be by design.

I have long argued that it is in the interests of all fans to examine the way their club is run and operated together so that they can have an informed opinion (good/bad/accepting or otherwise) of those who purport to call themselves stewards and custodians of our club. So I encourage you to look further - perhaps start with the takeover thread, but form your own opinion and where you think necessary challenge views and understandings expressed therein (though make sure you have checked others haven't made the same challenges also - there are a few of us that have been over much of this ground a number of times).

[Blyclaret]

Just remembered this. We gave that ****** Foster a contract extension as well.
And I think it was around the time he was flipping his lid too
No loyalty.

[Commy]

Call me thick but anybody that refuses to turn up for training for two days and also tgen doesn’t even have the decency to acknowledge his supporters at the end can do one! Would rather play a thick idiot like you up front.

Didn't someone say that it was a rumour and he was training? Parker said he wouldn't play anyone who didn't want to be here, which is why the team sheet was so bad at Sunderland. Surely he wouldn't have been in the team tonight if he hadn't trained or didn't want to play. Also, after the nasty comments on Twitter, which he will no doubt have been told about, he might not have felt like he wanted to go to the supporters. I know it is only a few people but they should know better with his condition. It wouldn't take much to send him back to a dark place.

[Commy]

He might already be suffering as his mental security has gone with Kompany and all his team mates leaving. If anyone needs our support it is him. Maybe if we made him feel wanted instead of calling him useless we might see a better player.

[Blyclaret]

I say get rid .. he’s not the answer to our goal scoring issues.

[MrEyres]

@BlyClaret mental health affects a lot of folk, appreciate that emotions aren’t great right now but maybe a different terminology maybe more appropriate.

Don’t think u want to upset anyone, you’re not on your own being angry at the state of where we are, I’m livid personally but referencing Lyles health probs isn’t for the best.

[KRBFC]

Are some people thick? We have a good cf in Foster, one who got no service. What did he do wrong tonight? What do people think slagging off does for his mh and therefore to our cause?

I’m certainly not thick, I just disagree with you.

The club forked out a large fee, the club and fans stuck by him through his mental health battle (he was fully paid), we gave him a shot in the PL and likely a huge salary increase changing his families lives and what do we get in return for this?

18 months of poor performances bar the odd flash of something, barely any goals, part of an abysmal group last season, a player who can’t even be arsed to get himself properly in shape and apparently a player who wants out, refused to train and couldn’t even be arsed to go and clap the fans who paid to watch another lazy Lyle master class in how to not trouble a defence as a forward.

the same fans who have been incredibly patient with him here and made all the excuses under the sun to defend his poor performances, even lying to themselves in believing he’s a good player. No acknowledgment for them?

[KRBFC]

Wasn't he playing really well before he had his problems? He ran Villa's defenders ragged and showed in that spell of games that he was a good player. He might still be struggling and needs a bit of patience. Fans slagging him off on social media won't help.

The fact Villa park gets brought up so much regarding Foster is telling, he’s been here for 18 months yet we can only keep referencing 1 game?

[MrEyres]

Btw @Blyclaret I agree get shut

[Vegas Claret]

I’m certainly not thick, I just disagree with you.

The club forked out a large fee, the club and fans stuck by him through his mental health battle (he was fully paid), we gave him a shot in the PL and likely a huge salary increase changing his families lives and what do we get in return for this?

18 months of poor performances bar the odd flash of something, barely any goals, part of an abysmal group last season, a player who can’t even be arsed to get himself properly in shape and apparently a player who wants out, refused to train and couldn’t even be arsed to go and clap the fans who paid to watch another lazy Lyle master class in how to not trouble a defence as a forward.

the same fans who have been incredibly patient with him here and made all the excuses under the sun to defend his poor performances, even lying to themselves in believing he’s a good player. No acknowledgment for them?

It's very fair to say the supporters deserve far more respect from him that's for sure

[KRBFC]

It's very fair to say the supporters deserve far more respect from him that's for sure

Some seem to think I have an agenda against foster, I don’t, I waited well over a year to make judgement on his ability and gave him a fair shot.

I just point it out so much because fans bent over backwards to defend him (and some still do) and I hate how that same courtesy and patience wasn’t shown towards the likes of Amdouni, who I think could’ve been a real favourite here.

[Vegas Claret]

Some seem to think I have an agenda against foster, I don’t, I waited well over a year to make judgement on his ability and gave him a fair shot.

I just point it out so much because fans bent over backwards to defend him (and some still do) and I hate how that same courtesy and patience wasn’t shown towards the likes of Amdouni, who I think could’ve been a real favourite here.

Foster either does something like he did at Luton or looks like a league two player, sadly we see more of the later. I have no faith that he would score enough goals unfortunately. If we can sell him for a profit I would.

[fidelcastro]

Foster either does something like he did at Luton or looks like a league two player, sadly we see more of the later. I have no faith that he would score enough goals unfortunately. If we can sell him for a profit I would.

That's fair enough, if we bring in a replacement who actually can score goals.

[Commy]

Leeds looking at another winger so they won't be taking Benson. Down to Norwich and Sunderland now if rumours are to be believed. He might still be here on Saturday.

[Swizzlestick]

Luton having a similar window to us - Mengi on the way out https://x.com/oakroadhatter/status/1828 ... FkUQjfRnLA

[mybloodisclaret]

I’m willing to accept that we’ve engineered a lot of this ourselves, but I also think we’ve got a massive problem with the agents representing our players.

They are running amok and feeding the transfer gurus on social media.

Nail on head AG. I was speaking to someone at Molyneux this evening who is connected to a player and that is a long the lines of what he said. Agents doing all they can to get money in.

I swear I am not lying. Take it or leave it I guess, and no it wasn't Kiko, it was a chance conversation that just popped up and began.

I don't believe all this upheaval is down to AP and the board trying to cash in or do an asset grab / strip, (which is a pretty shameful thing to suggest in any event) they have just had offer after offer that have been very difficult to turn down, we do have debts to service which we all know, but we aren't bankrupt. The deals are difficult to turn down especially when the player is already fully aware that they are getting 10 / 20 k per week extra, and the buying clubs know the details of their contracts to get them out of BFC.

[Grimsdale]

Vitinho to Botafogo pretty much confirmed:

[Vegas Claret]

done

[Gp8419]

Leeds looking at another winger so they won't be taking Benson. Down to Norwich and Sunderland now if rumours are to be believed. He might still be here on Saturday.

No chance Parker said after Sunderland he will be leaving,it will probably go through late on to somewhere.

[Vegas Claret]

No chance Parker said after Sunderland he will be leaving,it will probably go through late on to somewhere.

we'll probably loan him to someone for 6 quid

[Jakubclaret]

Nail on head AG. I was speaking to someone at Molyneux this evening who is connected to a player and that is a long the lines of what he said. Agents doing all they can to get money in.

I swear I am not lying. Take it or leave it I guess, and no it wasn't Kiko, it was a chance conversation that just popped up and began.

I don't believe all this upheaval is down to AP and the board trying to cash in or do an asset grab / strip, (which is a pretty shameful thing to suggest in any event) they have just had offer after offer that have been very difficult to turn down, we do have debts to service which we all know, but we aren't bankrupt. The deals are difficult to turn down especially when the player is already fully aware that they are getting 10 / 20 k per week extra, and the buying clubs know the details of their contracts to get them out of BFC.

If that's the case it shouldn't present a problem putting back what's taken.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

If that's the case it shouldn't present a problem putting back what's taken.

Spot on. 48 hours left and all quiet at the moment is not encouraging. Having said that Parker basically guaranteed there would be incomings, it's just a case of what level these replacements are. The only one I've been excited about is Whittaker.

[Pearcey]

Sad to see Vitinho go but when we had a full squad he should’ve never been starting for me. His versatility is his main strength. We have Roberts and Sambo and Pires and Humphreys. Just a shame we’re short of wingers, which to be honest, is very hard to believe after the last 2 years!

[Newcastleclaret93]

Some seem to think I have an agenda against foster, I don’t, I waited well over a year to make judgement on his ability and gave him a fair shot.

I just point it out so much because fans bent over backwards to defend him (and some still do) and I hate how that same courtesy and patience wasn’t shown towards the likes of Amdouni, who I think could’ve been a real favourite here.

Yet foster got more goals and assists last season than Weghorst has in two seperate premier league stints.

You consistently say he is great

[willsclarets]

The players who have gone and the prices they have gone for, is not the problem in and of itself. But you can't let all of them go at once without setting up adequate replacements.

It's turned into a firesale because we haven't had the common sense to say "yep that deal can be done, but it's contingent on us getting x player. You'll gave to wait" I don't think Benfica disappear if they have to wait a week. And guess what, if they have to wait till January so be it. He's our player, and I think he would be professional enough to give us 5 months knowing we're trying to facilitate his transfer.

Once you establish a norm of immediately accepting a bid, the agents cotton on. The players cotton on. I don't deny there's been some shady work by agents, but we've made it so so easy for this to unfold.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Foster either does something like he did at Luton or looks like a league two player, sadly we see more of the later. I have no faith that he would score enough goals unfortunately. If we can sell him for a profit I would.

This is the logic I don’t understand at all.

Why sell him? We know he won’t be replaced by anyone remotely as good and the club won’t see the benefit. You effectively just saying let’s just get rid of a first team starter and not replace them.

[123EasyasBFC]

Massive two days

We need at least 1 right winger but 2 if benson leaves
We have a left winger coming in Anthony but need another if koleosho leaves
Josh Laurent looks to be the squad player cm that we need
Also need a striker but maybe 2 strikers if foster leaves

Massive ask for a club known for struggling over the years to get deals done

[Newcastleclaret93]

Massive two days

We need at least 1 right winger but 2 if benson leaves
We have a left winger coming in Anthony but need another if koleosho leaves
Josh Laurent looks to be the squad player cm that we need
Also need a striker but maybe 2 strikers if foster leaves

Massive ask for a club known for struggling over the years to get deals done

Is Anthony definitely happening though? Looks to have gone deadly quiet that one

[123EasyasBFC]

Is Anthony definitely happening though? Looks to have gone deadly quiet that one

By all accounts he was training yesterday and the deal is done but never know till it’s official.

If we are getting 8m for Vitinho after all the other sales and we still can’t afford a perm deal for Morgan Whittaker then something is wrong

[Newcastleclaret93]

By all accounts he was training yesterday and the deal is done but never know till it’s official.

If we are getting 8m for Vitinho after all the other sales and we still can’t afford a perm deal for Morgan Whittaker then something is wrong

At this point I would just take a couple of out and out wingers.

Looks like Koleosho will staying unless someone comes in last minute

[burnleymik]

I really hope they have some genuine targets lined up for bids, especially in attacking areas. They need to pull some rabbits out of hats here to redeem themselves.

[123EasyasBFC]

At this point I would just take a couple of out and out wingers.

Looks like Koleosho will staying unless someone comes in last minute

Just hope there are genuine targets, the Whittaker link to me strikes as going back to the days were we had links to players and dyche and Garlick would say ‘we tried but couldn’t quite get it over the line’ and we left the window feeling short, usually in wide positions

[RVclaret]

On Vitinho, a poster came on here before Sunderland and suggested he’d refused to play. While he was wrong, in terms of the team sheet, he was correct about everything else (4 21s in the team, major changes, no O’Shea etc), which leads me to believe there may have been some truths in Vitinho - he played like he didn’t want to be there and was properly sulking. It’s far from ideal at this stage obviously but I think I’m at a point of wanting players who aren’t giving up on the club.

As for Esteve, all the noises from the player are that he’s happy here - so I think that one will be a test of the ‘is Pace desperate for the cash?’ because I find it hard to see Esteve being a type to push for a move right now. The offer looks a joke anyway and I’d expect we’d be looking for £25-30m at this stage for him.

Huge 2 days ahead, we really could do with a positive start. Despite the doom and gloom we are really finely balanced between having a top 2 competitive squad or play offs at best squad.

[ClaretAL]

Agreed RV. We do have strength in CB roles and its hard to choose Humphreys, Esteve, Worral and also McNally and EJ are not bad either.