Prediabetes

[Steve1956]

Just been diagnosed with this condition...looked into it and it seems a minefield of information...any fellow Clarets have experience of this disease and any tips on reverseing it.....it's quite frightening really....but with the right diet and losing weight looks like it can be reversed
Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated

[ISpeds00]

I've heard about this within the family
If you dont mind me asking, are you overweight by a lot?

[Steve1956]

I've heard about this within the family
If you dont mind me asking, are you overweight by a lot?

No about a stone,unfortunately it's around my middle which apparently is the worse place for it.

[Jakubclaret]

Cut carbs hello keto. It goes without saying cut back on sugar & eating more cruciferous vegetables & turmeric/cinammon/methi seeds can help & exercise more. Evidence points to weigh loss aiding reversal anything to help insulin sensitivity.

[Steve1956]

Cut carbs hello keto. It goes without saying cut back on sugar & eating more cruciferous vegetables & turmeric/cinammon/methi seeds can help & exercise more. Evidence points to weigh loss aiding reversal anything to help insulin sensitivity.

We went to Tesco today shopping for no added sugar products its is a nightmare.

[Quickenthetempo]

We went to Tesco today shopping for no added sugar products its is a nightmare.

Double check all food products you buy. Low sugar can mean far more fat put in.

[Jakubclaret]

We went to Tesco today shopping for no added sugar products its is a nightmare.

I find the labelling easy. It can be a nightmare carb counting. It's more of a lifestyle disorder diabetes altogether it can be hereditary predisposed. Generally speaking from now just be cautious & cut back on starchy stuff, fructose is ok don't go overboard on mangos. Find out what's good for the pancreas.

[clarethomer]

Double check all food products you buy. Low sugar can mean far more fat put in.

Which is not a bad thing for this poster.

Keto, Carnivore diet etc has been known to be a good diet if pre-diabetic.

[Sutton-Claret]

Search 'Eddie Abbew' on Youtube... he talks a lot of sense about diet and foods to avoid.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ddie+abbew

[Acting Claret]

Best treat is sugar free jelly.
Excerise is also a biggie.
Cut down on alcohol if you drink that. The calories and sugar are an eye opener.

[Casper2]

I’ve been pre diabetic for about 20 years , pm me if you would like more info

[Quickenthetempo]

The best advice I can give you is purchase a libre 3 blood monitor with the app.
It will monitor your blood sugar levels for two weeks constantly.

The first week eat all the foods you like and see how your body reacts to them. You will be surprised.

2nd week use it to form a balanced diet etc..

Learn about carb counting and diet, keep walking or exercising.

[Quickenthetempo]

Which is not a bad thing for this poster.

Keto, Carnivore diet etc has been known to be a good diet if pre-diabetic.

The first thing dieticians warn us diabetics about is buying diabetic jams/chocolate and such.

[ISpeds00]

Try do 10k steps a day
Change dairy milk to oat/almond
Add in vitamins - Multi, Tumeric
Try eat fresh as much as you can - butchers chicken etc (Not as dear as people think using butchers for meals)

[ecc]

Just been diagnosed with this condition...looked into it and it seems a minefield of information...any fellow Clarets have experience of this disease and any tips on reverseing it.....it's quite frightening really....but with the right diet and losing weight looks like it can be reversed
Any help or advice will be greatly appreciated

Great to see the positive facet of this board come straight to the fore when needed.

A chap asks for advice concerning a health issue, a number of members have provided different tips and pointers.

This is what makes UTC a special place.

Good luck, Steve.

[Jakubclaret]

You can go overboard carb counting & researching about GI of everything. Generally speaking if you are borderline not on any medication just knock alcohol on the head & sweets & exercise more & chances are you'll be fine without metformin etc for T2. When you diagnosed in or out of range it serves as a wake up call.

[clarethomer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJM_0X ... umentaries

Worth a watch.

The follow up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoPisYH ... asVentures

[mdd2]

Get the book by Prof Taylor Reversing type 2 diabetes available on Amazon

[Steve1956]

Get the book by Prof Taylor Reversing type 2 diabetes available on Amazon

That book gets some great reviews...purchased thankyou.

[Steve1956]

The first thing dieticians warn us diabetics about is buying diabetic jams/chocolate and such.

I spoke to the practice nurse over the Phone the first thing she warned me about was Honey..I love honey .....and I will miss it

[Steve1956]

I’ve been pre diabetic for about 20 years , pm me if you would like more info

Can you do that on here?

[Casper2]

I thought you could , otherwise message me on
bigbezzer@hotmail.com
Cheers

[ClaretTony]

I can’t offer too much advice because I went beyond prediabetes and have been on medication for over fifteen years now.

Some have mentioned exercise. I can’t stress how much good that can do. I don’t get close to 10,000 steps per day but I do walk as much as I can.

I don’t drink very much alcohol at all now and don’t miss it. I try to eat carefully but, yes, keep off stuff like honey and jam and don’t put sugar in your brew.

Talk to your nurse, the one I had for years was brilliant and so much help.

One word of warning - be careful with sugar free sweets and the like. The sweetener used is a laxative with the inevitable consequences.

[mdd2]

That book gets some great reviews...purchased thankyou.

He works in Newcastle and showed how people with type 2 and pre diabetes are insulin resistant due to fat in the liver which is the main organ where insulin works He also showed fat in the pancreas limiting insulin production
Whist type 2 diabetes in the early years have high insulin levels due to the resistance to its actions there isn’t enough to stop high blood sugars
Losing around 10% of body weight loses fat from liver and lowers insulin resistance and can abolish type 2 diabetes for a time
Secret is to lose that excess weight and keep it off
Easier said than done

[Big Vinny K]

My other half was a practice nurse for many years up until recently and specialised in diabetes.
Her advice was :
1. Listen to your practice nurse !!
2. Stop or cut down alcohol
3. Reduce carbs and increase protein
4. Reduce sugar
5. Increase exercise
6. Stop smoking

[dvalley69]

What it does mean is you can explore lots of different cuisines and start cooking lots of quick, fresh things with veg: chinese stir frys, broths and soups, curries, fish dishes, middle eastern stuff with legumes (beans, chickpeas, lentils, etc), salads, etc. Obviously, most of these things can come with starchy foods, but by making decent-sized portions then you can cut out/down things like rice, noodles, pitta break, naan, etc, and still feel full. Italian is a bit of a bugger with pasta and pizza, but once in a while as a treat why not.

[mdd2]

But firstly and foremost lose weight if you are overweight as most type2 are

[mdd2]

Interesting read is The Pioppi Diet
Tow Watson ex Labour MP reversed his diabetes and apparently read it which helped his weight loss

[blsclaret]

Just eat healthy stuff like we had to in the 1960s, had no choice then. Even in 1970s was fresh from local shops.
No additives then, just common sense, and lack of money, lack of convenience choice.
I know you walk Elie, do a bit more.
Just use yer noggin.

Don't panic, choose the right food.
Good luck.

[mdd2]

The Pioppi book claims that in western developed countries since the end of WW2 the excess weight gain has largely come from carbohydrates I think around 90% as we shifted from fat-"bad for the arteries" to carbs and the resultant massive increase in diabetes "bad for the arteries and other things, like eyes & kidneys".

[Jakubclaret]

It depends to what extent you want to help yourself. It can be worthwhile researching pancreatic beta cell regeneration. Instead of treating diabetes or trying to manage it tackle the cause.

[dvalley69]

It depends to what extent you want to help yourself. It can be worthwhile researching pancreatic beta cell regeneration. Instead of treating diabetes or trying to manage it tackle the cause.

By any chance, is this an option for Type 1 diabetics?

[CrosspoolClarets]

Spend a few hundred quid on a Zoe subscription which also gets you to wear a blood sugar sensor for a week. Loads of really good tips for controlling blood sugar. A 4 month subscription should get through the entire course. I was pre-pre so wasn’t quite that bad but felt ai needed to take action.

One example tip - eat fats before sugars (e.g. olives as a starter). The body digests them first and it helps your blood sugar response, some of this stuff isn’t obvious,

I wouldn’t rely on a GP but it can be reversed, no doubt.

[Jakubclaret]

By any chance, is this an option for Type 1 diabetics?

Seen as T2 is far more common its probably beneficial.

[mdd2]

Type 1 is a different disease in so far as it is not insulin resistance but insulin deficiency
Type 2 diabetics will have higher insulin levels than non diabetics who are not overweight
A type 1 diabetic has no insulin
A normal weight non diabetic has x amount of insulin an obese type 2 diabetic has 2x insulin and the equivalent non diabetic obese person has the highest insulin as a way of explaining insulin resistance

[dvalley69]

Seen as T2 is far more common its probably beneficial.

It would also be pretty beneficial for Type 1s, too! But is it a viable option is my question?

[Jakubclaret]

It would also be pretty beneficial for Type 1s, too! But is it a viable option is my question?

You know as well as I do that's a silly proposal but by all means carry on trying to catch me out. Thing is if I really wanted to bullsh1t all the information is on the Internet so you could take a look yourself.

[dvalley69]

It depends to what extent you want to help yourself. It can be worthwhile researching pancreatic beta cell regeneration. Instead of treating diabetes or trying to manage it tackle the cause.

Not trying to catch you out. Seeing as your original message mentioned beta cell regeneration then is it not possible for Type 1s to get beta cell regenerative work? Geniune question... I have friends who are Type 1. I don't know the whole ins and outs, but was wondering, that's all.

[Jakubclaret]

Not trying to catch you out. Seeing as your original message mentioned beta cell regeneration then is it not possible for Type 1s to get beta cell regenerative work? Geniune question... I have friends who are Type 1. I don't know the whole ins and outs, but was wondering, that's all.

More research is needed which is happening every day & progress is being made in understanding the disease.

[Suratclaret]

Hopefully you can stop pre diabetes developing into actual diabetes but you will almost certainly need to make lifestyle changes.
If you smoke…stop
If you drink…stop other than an occasional drink.
Don’t miss any meals.
Exercise daily…brisk walking is ideal. You don’t need to spend a fortune on gym membership.
Stop snacking between meals.
Look out for foods that are low GI and/or low GL
Follow the advise of specialist nurses/doctors.
The Diabetes UK website is very good…much advice there. I use it often as where I live there aren’t any specialist nurses or doctors.
Have your eyes tested.
Good luck!

[Suratclaret]

Hopefully you can stop pre diabetes developing into actual diabetes but you will almost certainly need to make lifestyle changes.
If you smoke…stop
If you drink…stop other than an occasional drink.
Don’t miss any meals.
Exercise daily…brisk walking is ideal. You don’t need to spend a fortune on gym membership.
Stop snacking between meals.
Look out for foods that are low GI and/or low GL
Follow the advise of specialist nurses/doctors.
The Diabetes UK website is very good…much advice there. I use it often as where I live there aren’t any specialist nurses or doctors.
Have your eyes tested.
Good luck!

[Quicknick]

Good luck with it, Steve.

[mikeS]

Steve, if you live in Burnley the council organise the Up and Active programme. St Peter's and Padiham pool run it. 12 week blocks at a reduced rate at the gym. There's a trained coach there at the sessions to help you out, assess what you're like at the start and and at the end of the 12 week to see how you've improved.
Well worth going mate.

[ClaretTony]

Have your eyes tested.

Thanks for that reminder - I need to make an appointment. Before the NHS took over the eye screening in this area, you got an appointment letter without doing anything. Now you have to call to make an appointment which I've just done but it's another two months.

[Quickenthetempo]

Some great advice on here so far.

But I can't stress how good a continuous blood monitor will be for you.
It's only the last 3 years of over 30 being a diabetic I have got some sort of control.

By learning about blood sugar spikes and which foods send you sky rocketing.

Some might be worrying about nothing.

The order of your food might be a problem.
Protein first then sweet will help with spikes.
But if I had tomato soup with a slice of bread for a starter it would sky rocket, any slow releasing carbs for main will keep it there for longer.

Everyone is different though.

[mdd2]

Hopefully you can stop pre diabetes developing into actual diabetes but you will almost certainly need to make lifestyle changes.
If you smoke…stop
If you drink…stop other than an occasional drink.
Don’t miss any meals.
Exercise daily…brisk walking is ideal. You don’t need to spend a fortune on gym membership.
Stop snacking between meals.
Look out for foods that are low GI and/or low GL
Follow the advise of specialist nurses/doctors.
The Diabetes UK website is very good…much advice there. I use it often as where I live there aren’t any specialist nurses or doctors.
Have your eyes tested.
Good luck!

I think what you do by adopting your measures in those destined to become diabetic if they remain obese is you delay the time when a person develops type 2 and that delay maybe until this year, next year, sometime, never; and dieting is daily, not 5 days a week. Just indulging for one day can remove the benefits of 5 days dieting.It is easy to store excess calories as fat but virtually impossible to shed more than 1000 calories/day without severe calorie restriction and 1000 cals lost as fat is about 155g/day or about 2pounds per week if my maths is correct

[Rowls]

You're going to be bombarded with advice Steve.

I'll keep mine as simple as possible:

Only eat the food you can cook from scratch in your own kitchen.

If it comes in a packet or wrapper don't eat it.

[Rowls]

And, yes, daily exercise is greatly beneficial for your health too.

Aim to break sweat at least once a day as a minimum.

[mdd2]

What Rowls says provided you not making eton mess and other carb rich puddings

[Rowls]

We went to Tesco today shopping for no added sugar products its is a nightmare.

This is the essence of the health problem we have in this country.

The major reason we have bad diets is because we all shop in big supermarkets that are designed to make us buy processed mushy, low quality food.

We suffer bad health because we eat so much pressure cessed, mushy food. And when we suffer the consequences of this diet, what is the solution? The solution presented to us is ... Yet more processed, mushy food but with or without some specific element.

"No added sugar"
"Low fat"
"No preservatives"
"Now with added protein"

These are all false solutions. It's obvious when you take a step back.

The solution to the problems caused by eating processed food is clearly not "try a different kind of processed food". It's obvious if you look at it from the outside. The problem is that it's tricky to realise that when we're inside of society pushing this stuff on us.

It's the equivalent of "low tar" cigarettes. Loads of people used to switch to "low tar".

"Sugar free", "low fat", "added protein", so-called health drinks etc etc - these are all the food industries equivalent of low tar cigarettes.

The best solution is to get out of the aisles where food is processed or comes in packets and wrappers and focus entirely on the food which is recognizable in it's natural state.

Then make sure you cook twice a day. If you get in the habit, it's both enjoyable and great for you.

Take, for example, frozen veg.

Frozen veg is a modern miracle. Society should be singing songs of praise every day about frozen vegetables!

Honestly, it's unbelievable. It's cheap as hell and it's brilliant for you and it tastes as good as fresh AND has the same (sometimes even better) nutritional content.

You can easily load up a plate with 5-6 portions of veg and ping in the microwave for 5 minutes. FIVE minutes from freezer to plate to gob to stomach! We are living in a world of abundance where it's never been easier to be healthy - but only if we take the right opportunities and make the right choices.

Do that with frozen veg for two meals a day and you're getting tonnes of vitamins, fibre and goodness into your diet. Fills you up and does you good.

You'll stop even wanting mushy, processed, artificial crud from packets.

Here's a guy who's schtick is explaining the dangers of ultra processed food:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... JuGX60RU9x

I don't agree with everything he says but the basic premise -the modern diet is crap because we eat so much of this junk- is spot on.

He claims that UPF is "addictive" but also tells the story of how he quit it overnight when he realised how awful it is, which is very informative. It's isn't "addictive", it's just easy, convenient and pushed onto us.

It's easy enough to change your diet - if you want to and as long as you can cook from scratch. You just need to want to change, plan accordingly and cook your own food.