Alan Pace

[Devils_Advocate]

Legend who saved this club. Gets a lot of stick on here just could he binned some crappy player portraits but is a top man who loves this town and football team

[Leisure]

Legend who saved this club. Gets a lot of stick on here just could he binned some crappy player portraits but is a top man who loves this town and football team

Hilariously boring!

[burnleymik]

It's been a rollercoaster of a learning curve from the new owners, but there are definitely signs they are learning. I imagine they have had their eyes opened with how Agents and their lackies work, including contracts. They clearly learned from the amount of control they gave VK.

Their biggest problem has been naivety and football is a ruthless business that doesn't take any prisoners.

[Burnley87]

I find the comments giving Kompany 100m was irresponsible. The same manager who was a god to most Burnley fans 12 month ago

I’m not particularly keen on the massive turnover of players but done right making money on players and premier league football gives us the best chance of competing at the top of English football

Two of which since He has been at burnley Alan Pace has managed to do successfully. I’m sure he will learn and get better

[FCBurnley]

Shake hands with him then count your fingers

[FCBurnley]

The message from The Chairman is nauseous and simply him trying to cover his back. Lose today and it will be 100% on him

[BurnleyFC]

The transfer window was incredibly strange, unprecedented really.

We’ve let players go that I think we could and should have kept - Zaroury, O’Shea, Al-Dakhil. We’ve made some good, astute signings - Worrall, Mejbri and some that I find a bit strange considering the financial outlay - Humphreys.

The loan offer for Whittaker was a joke. By all accounts Flemming is a very good player and should prove to be a good buy but we hadn’t even contacted him up until yesterday. I think Pace was probably flapping big time by that point.

[warksclaret]

No clubs owners are perfect, and no transfer window is exactly to fan's likings. However I know I woke up this morning in a better mood than I have done since beating Bristol City 2 weeks ago. We have also rid of a number of very bad apples including our last manager and a number of players who could not get out of our club quick enough. Pace whether you like him or not ensured we brought in a good balance of players.What really pleased me was seeing the photo of him waiting to greet Fleming as the helicopter landed. He still has a lot to learn about our game, but he does seem to care

[Chester Perry]

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... ugust-2024

Programme notes, worth a read.

There is a piece in this weeks issue of the London Clarets magazine (Something to write home about No 270) detailing the talk and subsequent question and answer session with Matt Williams at their AGM. It should be read along side this, the key standout being that Matt talks about being reflective and applying the lessons learnt and acknowledging of mistakes and errors in judgement and operation - it carries the title "we need to get the basics right".

The programme notes are spin - as is much that comes out from the chairman, what comes from Williams is much more honest. I know which one I would argue gets the club, town and game.

I am not saying that Pace and Co do not have a passion for what they are doing or that there may indeed be a crossover in the targets of financial gain and club development, but the humility in approach and understanding of one compared to the wilful headstrong approach that on occasion appears to veer into arrogant hubris or complete misunderstanding of situations, particularly when it comes to supporters, is clearly apparent.

For those who do not subscribe - I understand that on occasion issues are available at games and that there is a copy of every issue sent to the Burnley Library Project - Clarets Collected.

[billyhamilton82]

The message from The Chairman is nauseous and simply him trying to cover his back. Lose today and it will be 100% on him

FC Burnley and Burnley FC basically saying the same thing.

The loan offer for Whittaker was a joke.

Millwall accepted a similar offer but less, so obviously not that funny.

"By all accounts Flemming is a very good player and should prove to be a good buy but we hadn’t even contacted him up until yesterday I think Pace was probably flapping big time by that point.

Really? How do you know that?

[Foshiznik]

There is a piece in this weeks issue of the London Clarets magazine (Something to write home about No 270) detailing the talk and subsequent question and answer session with Matt Williams at their AGM. It should be read along side this, the key standout being that Matt talks about being reflective and applying the lessons learnt and acknowledging of mistakes and errors in judgement and operation - it carries the title "we need to get the basics right".

The programme notes are spin - as is much that comes out from the chairman, what comes from Williams is much more honest. I know which one I would argue gets the club, town and game.

I am not saying that Pace and Co do not have a passion for what they are doing or that there may indeed be a crossover in the targets of financial gain and club development, but the humility in approach and understanding of one compared to the wilful headstrong approach that on occasion appears to veer into arrogant hubris or complete misunderstanding of situations, particularly when it comes to supporters, is clearly apparent.

For those who do not subscribe - I understand that on occasion issues are available at games and that there is a copy of every issue sent to the Burnley Library Project - Clarets Collected.

Is there an online version to purchase?

[RVclaret]

FC Burnley and Burnley FC basically saying the same thing.

The loan offer for Whittaker was a joke.

Millwall accepted a similar offer but less, so obviously not that funny.

"By all accounts Flemming is a very good player and should prove to be a good buy but we hadn’t even contacted him up until yesterday I think Pace was probably flapping big time by that point.

Really? How do you know that?

Flemming even said himself he was contacted before yesterday.

[Chester Perry]

Is there an online version to purchase?

No - they have looked into it a few times but the cost of using some of the photos they do destroys the the financial viability - they have sometimes put an article out on twitter/x though I no longer know if they still do

[AfloatinClaret]

Since when did supporters seemingly become more interested in the financial performance of the club ahead of its on-pitch success? If we don’t finish in the top two this season this transfer window will have been a failure. It’s too early to make a judgement until then.

It'll certainly be too early to make a judgement based on the Blackburn game today. Our new side will beat Blackburn and probably most everyone else oncee they've played/trained to gether for 6 weeks, but today? I'm hopeful and have predicted a win (but I always do that) but I think it's far from a certainty this afternoon; for the any team, I think that today's going to be the best chance of beating Burnley there's going to be for the remainder of this season

[RVclaret]

There is a piece in this weeks issue of the London Clarets magazine (Something to write home about No 270) detailing the talk and subsequent question and answer session with Matt Williams at their AGM. It should be read along side this, the key standout being that Matt talks about being reflective and applying the lessons learnt and acknowledging of mistakes and errors in judgement and operation - it carries the title "we need to get the basics right".

The programme notes are spin - as is much that comes out from the chairman, what comes from Williams is much more honest. I know which one I would argue gets the club, town and game.

I am not saying that Pace and Co do not have a passion for what they are doing or that there may indeed be a crossover in the targets of financial gain and club development, but the humility in approach and understanding of one compared to the wilful headstrong approach that on occasion appears to veer into arrogant hubris or complete misunderstanding of situations, particularly when it comes to supporters, is clearly apparent.

For those who do not subscribe - I understand that on occasion issues are available at games and that there is a copy of every issue sent to the Burnley Library Project - Clarets Collected.

A q&a at an AGM is highly different to programme notes pre-Blackburn game.

[billyhamilton82]

There is a piece in this weeks issue of the London Clarets magazine (Something to write home about No 270) detailing the talk and subsequent question and answer session with Matt Williams at their AGM. It should be read along side this, the key standout being that Matt talks about being reflective and applying the lessons learnt and acknowledging of mistakes and errors in judgement and operation - it carries the title "we need to get the basics right".

The programme notes are spin - as is much that comes out from the chairman, what comes from Williams is much more honest. I know which one I would argue gets the club, town and game.

I am not saying that Pace and Co do not have a passion for what they are doing or that there may indeed be a crossover in the targets of financial gain and club development, but the humility in approach and understanding of one compared to the wilful headstrong approach that on occasion appears to veer into arrogant hubris or complete misunderstanding of situations, particularly when it comes to supporters, is clearly apparent.

For those who do not subscribe - I understand that on occasion issues are available at games and that there is a copy of every issue sent to the Burnley Library Project - Clarets Collected.

How can you compare the two?

I acknowlededge that Matt Williams comes over well in the talk, but how can you compare what is essentially programme notes to and in depth discussion about our strategy?

"but the humility in approach and understanding of one compared to the wilful headstrong approach that on occasion appears to veer into arrogant hubris or complete misunderstanding of situations, particularly when it comes to supporters, is clearly apparent."

To take that level of understanding and make a character judgement based on some programme notes is difficult for me to comprehend.

I'm not trying to be clever or judgemental, I just can't understand the negativity based on what most feel to be a positive statement.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

We’ve generated £100 million in sales this summer I believe
We’ve still got a number of players on the books that will generate profit when sold

We’ve spent £50 million ish

Wouldn’t be doable without the recent transfer windows we’ve had under Kompany

I get that but this strategy is very risky as one wrong window and we are in big trouble.

He’s let Kompany buy lot of duds as well so if we get our money back from Trafford Amdouni and Tresor we will have done well. Not convinced Ramsey is going to recoup either.

That’s nearly £43-45m tied up in fees discounting Amdouni who it looks like we’re have got away with if the £20m obligation to buy for Benfica is to be believed.

So it seems roughly that these sales have broken even on the expenditure. We’ll never know exact as they don’t tell us the true figures.

This huge turnover of players is just not sustainable and I hope once they’ve paid off the debt in total that the strategy changes ( if their still here by then).

[greeny364]

They’re learning, they’re trying. They’ll get better at it.

Chill

I prefer this to watching a slow death under MG and absolutely nothing arriving on the talent conveyor belt.

All we got from him was ‘computer says no’

Yep, it is, at the very least, better than all those dreary windows we used to get

[BurnleyFC]

FC Burnley and Burnley FC basically saying the same thing.

The loan offer for Whittaker was a joke.

Millwall accepted a similar offer but less, so obviously not that funny.

"By all accounts Flemming is a very good player and should prove to be a good buy but we hadn’t even contacted him up until yesterday I think Pace was probably flapping big time by that point.

Really? How do you know that?

If you’re trying to insinuate we’re the same poster, you are sadly mistaken.

And Flemming literally said himself he hadn’t been contacted until yesterday! It’s a direct quote from him.

I still fear we’ll be light up top this season. We were toothless today albeit with a side cobbled together at the last minute.

[HurstGrangeClaret]

The anti Pace sentiment on this board is staggering. Yes he’s made mistakes but who in life hasn’t. He’s backed our manager,like he backed our old manager, even though VK was obviously given far too much latitude.
How about seeing how things go on the pitch and then come to judgement. After all, there are 42 games to go.

[forzagranata]

Those who find questioning of Pace's decision-making and role at the club to be out of order should go on twitter - there is a kind of 'cult of Don Pace' on there with people sending him messages of adoration and making little 'Godfather' designs featuring his image. Some of which even appears to be produced by real people.

[Papabendi]

And Flemming literally said himself he hadn’t been contacted until yesterday! It’s a direct quote from him.

This would hang together better if he hadn't previously been a target, which he has been. Nothing wrong with going through the list of targets as and when necessary and don't be surprised to see us go back for Whittaker in January.

[beeholeclaret]

The message from The Chairman is nauseous and simply him trying to cover his back. Lose today and it will be 100% on him

This reads like you were almost hoping we would get beat just to prove that your agenda is correct!

[Papabendi]

I am not sure what the fuss is about re Pace's notes. He is essentially saying that there were too many players who didn't want to be here, and as a result we can see how the strategy has changed regarding recruitment.

This is the usual - outrage if he had said little and outrage if he says something

[Clovius Boofus]

Over the last couple of weeks before the window closed - there was genuine concern about where we were going, however, there were also those who were reveling in it. They were posting for hours on end, spreading their own special brand of negativity as well as any BS they could find on Twitter etc.

It's taught me one thing - whether you're a constructive critic, or a perpetual agenda-driven doomer, spending too much time on here sure isn't healthy.

[Row x]

I am not sure what the fuss is about re Pace's notes. He is essentially saying that there were too many players who didn't want to be here, and as a result we can see how the strategy has changed regarding recruitment.

This is the usual - outrage if he had said little and outrage if he says something

That's how I read it, saying as much as he could that you could read between the lines, without actually saying we had no choice but to sell the majority of the players who left, because they'd made it clear they didn't want to stay.

[Jakubclaret]

That's how I read it, saying as much as he could that you could read between the lines, without actually saying we had no choice but to sell the majority of the players who left, because they'd made it clear they didn't want to stay.

That should be concerning within itself the fact that people didn't want to stay. Regardless of money as a general rule if you are in a good environment which promotes positive headspace people are less likely to leave. So many people leaving surely must reinforce the belief that something within the club culture is wrong & going forwards needs putting right.

[Papabendi]

That should be concerning within itself the fact that people didn't want to stay. Regardless of money as a general rule if you are in a good environment which promotes positive headspace people are less likely to leave. So many people leaving surely must reinforce the belief that something within the club culture is wrong & going forwards needs putting right.

We know what the biggest issue is here. Players signed for Kompany and /or the Premier League

[andyh]

The one point I would make is that Pace is growing into the job. Compare how we got things done on deadline week compared to Garlicks windows and his own early ones. It looks like he understands how to make deals at the business end of the window now.

[AlargeClaret]

That should be concerning within itself the fact that people didn't want to stay. Regardless of money as a general rule if you are in a good environment which promotes positive headspace people are less likely to leave. So many people leaving surely must reinforce the belief that something within the club culture is wrong & going forwards needs putting right.

It’s a good point you make , though ultimately the “ star” players that did go Berge/WO/WW/AMD/OS were always going with a relegation anyway ,and getting great money for VIT and AL Dak was a bonus . Much of the rumoured big money exits Traff/Foster/Kolo/Cullen/Josh B appeared to be more in the fantastical dreams of the money grubbing agents than serious deal possibilities.
Thankfully we seem to have a good base to work from with some very tidy looking signings .

[mdd2]

No clubs owners are perfect, and no transfer window is exactly to fan's likings. However I know I woke up this morning in a better mood than I have done since beating Bristol City 2 weeks ago. We have also rid of a number of very bad apples including our last manager and a number of players who could not get out of our club quick enough. Pace whether you like him or not ensured we brought in a good balance of players.What really pleased me was seeing the photo of him waiting to greet Fleming as the helicopter landed. He still has a lot to learn about our game, but he does seem to care

Change your user name to Rip Van Winkle as that was one hell of a sleep.

[BurnleyFC]

Change your user name to Rip Van Winkle as that was one hell of a sleep.

[Quicknick]

Change your user name to Rip Van Winkle as that was one hell of a sleep.

Bristol City = Cardiff City?

Edit: that was replying to warks.

[Row x]

That should be concerning within itself the fact that people didn't want to stay. Regardless of money as a general rule if you are in a good environment which promotes positive headspace people are less likely to leave. So many people leaving surely must reinforce the belief that something within the club culture is wrong & going forwards needs putting right.

Rubbish
Two things happened which made the players want to leave

Relegation

Manager leaving

[HurstGrangeClaret]

I have no interest about what is said about AP on twitter. He has clearly shown by the end of this transfer window that his understanding of football/BFC is improving and he is in it for the long run.
We need to back him, SP and our team.

[Jakubclaret]

Rubbish
Two things happened which made the players want to leave

Relegation

Manager leaving

Happy people don't leave happy environments.
Unhappy people leave unhappy environments.
Yes of course other factors come into play such as Kompany’s departure & relegation & money but generally speaking we've had posts about trafford tweets, somebody else unfollowing the club on Instagram, (can't remember who don't get involved in that jazz) & brownhills comments about uncertainty, lyle going straight down the tunnel, it doesn't suggest a picture of happiness.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Happy people don't leave happy environments.
Unhappy people leave unhappy environments.
Yes of course other factors come into play such as Kompany’s departure & relegation & money but generally speaking we've had posts about trafford tweets, somebody else unfollowing the club on Instagram, (can't remember who don't get involved in that jazz) & brownhills comments about uncertainty, lyle going straight down the tunnel, it doesn't suggest a picture of happiness.

Muric didn’t even want to return for pre season, tells you everything about his head space.

[Row x]

Muric didn’t even want to return for pre season, tells you everything about his head space.

I think there's a lot of space in his head

[Jakubclaret]

Muric didn’t even want to return for pre season, tells you everything about his head space.

& people are supposedly meant to be happy. Some sort of a lunatic institutionalised in a mental asylum might subscribe to that view.

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

People throwing pay rises at players that just failed in the prem being the the main one.

Having taken enough of VK’s boring screaming ‘believe!’ And to what many will have seen as outright bullying….

Throw in 12/18 months of players not playing, the manager leaving and a director sending dossiers on players to the team.

Im not surprised they wanted to leave.


FWIW, I think if we’re misfiring between now and Jan, I can 100% see AP going back for whittaker or another striker.

He wants it as bad as we do. He’s x100 better than MG.

[forzagranata]

The one point I would make is that Pace is growing into the job. Compare how we got things done on deadline week compared to Garlicks windows and his own early ones. It looks like he understands how to make deals at the business end of the window now.

Could be argued that the recruitment people, who had clearly identified targets, including a couple that are clearly Parker inspired choices, pulled Pace out of the mire somewhat after the chaos of this window.

Something tells me that it wasn't Pace who thought Josh Laurent would be a good option in midfield.....

[beddie]

I think all Pace needs to do in order to stay connected to the fans and to make them feel wanted is to periodically talk to them and let them know what’s going on (where he can of course). I read his programme notes yesterday, that’s fine but let’s see it on a more regular basis. He needs to make the “Mission” more all of us rather than just him/them.

[bpgburn]

Happy people don't leave happy environments.
Unhappy people leave unhappy environments.
Yes of course other factors come into play such as Kompany’s departure & relegation & money but generally speaking we've had posts about trafford tweets, somebody else unfollowing the club on Instagram, (can't remember who don't get involved in that jazz) & brownhills comments about uncertainty, lyle going straight down the tunnel, it doesn't suggest a picture of happiness.

I left many a happy environment for better prospects and salary...

[HurstGrangeClaret]

Surely it’s not Pace’s job to identify targets but it is his job to authorise their signings. He did this. What’s to complain about.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Surely it’s not Pace’s job to identify targets but it is his job to authorise their signings. He did this. What’s to complain about.

I cant be sure but maybe its something to do with selling the majority of the team that won the first two games 4-1 and 5-0. Just a wild guess i might be wrong. Guess ill just have to trust the process.

[Row x]

I cant be sure but maybe its something to do with selling the majority of the team that won the first two games 4-1 and 5-0. Just a wild guess i might be wrong. Guess ill just have to trust the process.

Do you really mean the majority of the team, or referring to the "squad"?

[taio]

I cant be sure but maybe its something to do with selling the majority of the team that won the first two games 4-1 and 5-0. Just a wild guess i might be wrong. Guess ill just have to trust the process.

From the starting 11 against Luton three players are no longer here, and for Cardiff it's two.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Do you really mean the majority of the team, or referring to the "squad"?

Yes 7 players that played or got on in those first two games have been sold.

All the goalscorers bar one from the first match sold.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Twine was not getting a game so not too fussed about him tbh.

[Row x]

Yes 7 players that played or got on in those first two games have been sold.

All the goalscorers bar one from the first match sold.

So even if you use the full squad, it's not the majority?