Mission to Burnley 2

[Conroysleftfoot]

Now that we have sold Zaroury will Pace be terminating our contract with the gambling company shirt sponsor.

[BurnleyFC]

Now that we have sold Zaroury will Pace be terminating our contract with the gambling company shirt sponsor.

What have I missed?

What’s Zaroury got to do with our shirt sponsor?

[IanMcL]

It feels like stock trading at the minute and just like in stock trading, over time, passive index funds/the market always beat out actively managed funds.

Spot on!

This is just a throughput of commodities, with a surplus to cover debts.

The difficulty is that the commodities are very similar and not Grade A. OK for Championship yoyo and nothing more.

As the man in the documentary said, keep a nucleus of Grade A and strengthen with other Grade As for the Prem.

The alternative was Kompany world. Discard the team which gained the promotion and understand the plays. 12/38 games lost while the new bunch meet their new colleagues and sort the idiosyncrasies! Then you are dead.

[Conroysleftfoot]

What have I missed?

What’s Zaroury got to do with our shirt sponsor?

During a meeting with the FAB Pace was asked why we had another gambling company as shirt sponsor. He said it was down purely to money and would we rather have them as a sponsor or sell Zaroury.

[gawthorpe_view]

During a meeting with the FAB Pace was asked why we had another gambling company as shirt sponsor. He said it was down purely to money and would we rather have them as a sponsor or sell Zaroury.

So now we have a gambling company as our shirt sponsor and Zaroury has been sold anyway.
Just one of many quotes that will come back and haunt the directors.

(Not a dig at CLF by the way, thanks for the quote!).

[morninbob]

Back on tonight, don't know if it's the first episode again.

[Andingle]

On Sky Showcase (106) at 9pm tonight , Season 2 Ep1

[CleggHall]

Yes you can now get all 4 episodes.
Have just watched the 1st 2, Kompany’s language apart they tell a revealing behind scenes story. Kompany’s treatment of JBG is appalling, no way to treat an experienced pro. We are well shut of him.

[wilks_bfc]

Don’t have Sky Sports, so had to wait until today when available on Sky Documentary

Just watched the first 2 episodes and it’s a whole new perspective after the last few weeks

[superdimitri]

Yup, it's out now and available to rip if someone with Now TV would be so kind.

[Corway]

Watched for second time no 1. Fascinating and Amazing insights to back room staff, the transfer window, Charlie Taylor saying goodbyes, Lyles mental torment. Manager team talks Board meetings and Paces local interactions.

[claret2018]

I thought Pace came across very well if a little naive, but Kompany doesn’t seem like a very inspiring manager.

[Oshkoshclaret]

I think season 2 has seriously damaged Pace’s reputation.

[rincon]

Personally, I thought Pace came across very well and seemed genuinely upset when Vincent left like that. I wouldn't want to turn the clock back anyway. Potentially we're in a very good place right now, after things settle.

[Burnley1989]

Watched the first one and genuinely cant be arsed watching another, I found myself getting wound up with it all, knowing what was to come

[Guller Bull]

Do we need to keep doing this re Alan Pace?

He's not the best or the worst chairman in the world.
He probably nowhere near the best or worst chairman that we have ever had.

[BleedingClaret]

Yes you can now get all 4 episodes.
Have just watched the 1st 2, Kompany’s language apart they tell a revealing behind scenes story. Kompany’s treatment of JBG is appalling, no way to treat an experienced pro. We are well shut of him.

It goes someway to explaining why when we turned up at Brentford, the start of what we thought were winnable games, with Bournemouth away and Palace home to come and a run of tougher games behind us, we as fans were shocked at how flat the team was.
After half an hour I said we're playing like a relegation team.
I don't like the phrase, lost the dressing room, but it seems that had happened after that VK's rant at JBG.
On going from that, when you watch the dressing room scenes it seemed that the likes of Cullen & O'Shea we're trying to get a reaction whilst Amdouni for example just kept glancing at his phone.
A dressing room mix of half true footballers with desire to play and half show pony mercenaries who knew they'd go at seasons end, with relegation making that easier for them to leave.

[It Is What It Is]

MTB 3 ...anyone?

[ŽižkovClaret]

MTB 3 ...anyone?

Not sure its as attractive a prospect. We seem to be taking a more conventional approach now, and maybe courting the media isnt quite so high on the priority list now.

Has anyone spotted cameras aside from the usual TV ones?

[Venkys4eva]

During a meeting with the FAB Pace was asked why we had another gambling company as shirt sponsor. He said it was down purely to money and would we rather have them as a sponsor or sell Zaroury.

Seriously who cares if a gambling company is the shirt sponser? Not me! Get over it or just dont buy one

[jrgbfc]

Watched one episode, struck me how quick the players were on their phones, i always thoight phones in the dressing room would be a big no no.

[ŽižkovClaret]

Watched one episode, struck me how quick the players were on their phones, i always thoight phones in the dressing room would be a big no no.

Wouldnt have bloody happened in the 70s! Games gone!

[123EasyasBFC]

After re watching season 2 I have changed my opinion on Lee Mooney completely, yes he might be good at his job but the way he speaks with so much conviction but without actually saying anything of much importance. Strikes me as a bloke who would 100% always pass the blame onto someone else

[ŽižkovClaret]

After re watching season 2 I have changed my opinion on Lee Mooney completely, yes he might be good at his job but the way he speaks with so much conviction but without actually saying anything of much importance. Strikes me as a bloke who would 100% always pass the blame onto someone else

TBF to him, we usually saw him in the context of board meetings. You have to paint things at a very high level there, and i suspect there would have been accompanying material with a lot more flesh on the bones.

[GetIntoEm]

I didn't think he came across great, but obviously knows his stuff.

Clear to see however in the later episodes that the dressing room had gone. Nothing left in them.

[ŽižkovClaret]

I didn't think he came across great, but obviously knows his stuff.

Clear to see however in the later episodes that the dressing room had gone. Nothing left in them.

Its almost as if being sworn at in a borderline sociopathic manner wasn't the best motivational technique.......

Who knew?

[GetIntoEm]

Its almost as if being sworn at in a borderline sociopathic manner wasn't the best motivational technique.......

Who knew?

I don't expect that is too much different from a lot of training grounds, I think the way he kept going at Johann was out of order tho. He'd made his point.

Contrary to what some people said I thought pace came across ok, certainly passionate, but clearly pulling all the strings regardless of people in senior positions

[exilecanada]

I haven't seen any 'Mission to Burnley' episodes as they don't seem to available anywhere in my neck of the woods. However regarding Kompany's ranting and raving at players, shortly after he was hired at Burnley a video surfaced showing Kompany swearing at Anderlecht players in the dressing room. So, maybe we shouldn't have been surprised at his behavior towards players. It's possibly his 'go to' way of motivating his players

[kipp]

All 8 Episodes are here for Anyone who wants to watch
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ii0zqF4orR

[Buxtonclaret]

I haven't seen any 'Mission to Burnley' episodes as they don't seem to available anywhere in my neck of the woods. However regarding Kompany's ranting and raving at players, shortly after he was hired at Burnley a video surfaced showing Kompany swearing at Anderlecht players in the dressing room. So, maybe we shouldn't have been surprised at his behavior towards players. It's possibly his 'go to' way of motivating his players

Big (ish) fish in a couple of small (ish) pools.
Be interesting if he follows a similar a strategy with his latest squad.

[Jellybean]

All 8 Episodes are here for Anyone who wants to watch
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ii0zqF4orR

Brilliant thank you for this

[NewClaret]

MTB 3 ...anyone?

My son is at Burnley college and Scott Parker is opening their new 4G pitch today and the MtB crew are filming it, so we know they are still filming.

The latest was that Sky are yet to decide on series 3 so let’s hope there’s been a decent number of downloads to encourage them. Decision in September.

From what I’ve seen, the trailer makes it look really **** on Sky Sports. Just Pace saying we have a plan and Kompany saying he gave it everything. I think it’d have drawn far more in if it had featured one of Kompany’s rants or the Lyle/Cork argument.

I guess my point is that I think we could have pushed it far more at both City and Bayern fans who presumably would be interested in seeing Kompany’s management style.

[BurnleyFC]

All 8 Episodes are here for Anyone who wants to watch
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ii0zqF4orR

Excellent, thank you!

[The Shire Claret]

I think season 2 has seriously damaged Pace’s reputation.

Funny how people perceive things

I just finished it and thought it made him look good

In his way (not our way as fans) it’s obvious he does want what’s best for the club

I’d rather have someone like pace than a good few others

[NewClaret]

Funny how people perceive things

I just finished it and thought it made him look good

In his way (not our way as fans) it’s obvious he does want what’s best for the club

I’d rather have someone like pace than a good few others

Felt exactly the same, I thought he came across brilliantly.

If I were watching that as a fan of another club, I could see myself as being very impressed.

[superdimitri]

All 8 Episodes are here for Anyone who wants to watch
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/ ... Ii0zqF4orR

How did you bypass the widevine protection on NowTV?
Been trying to do the same for some time so would like to know how you ended up doing it. I ended up giving up after finding you needed a script which was taken down my Sky in the past.

[kipp]

How did you bypass the widevine protection on NowTV?
Been trying to do the same for some time so would like to know how you ended up doing it. I ended up giving up after finding you needed a script which was taken down my Sky in the past.

Sorry I did not rip these myself They where just downloaded

[superdimitri]

Some unpopular opinions I'm sure:

After reading people's posts here I was expecting Kompany to come across terribly but aside from the Gudmundson incident I didn't really get that vibe.
I also think it's pretty normal for there to be fights like that which are usually behind the scenes. He lost it under pressure and he shouldn't have, but it happens. There's been a lot worse.

I'd be more concerned if he showed no passion and anger given the way we were playing at the time. It just wasn't good enough and we didn't work hard enough but he should have taken Gudmundson aside rather than yell in front of everyone.

Kompany's relationship with Foster and Pace tells you his heart is in the right place.

One issue I did think he had was with treating people equally. If you're going to yell at gudmundson for complaining you have to yell at everyone. I also think he needs to admit to mistakes he makes rather than only putting it on the players.

I could see what he tries to do with his motivational speeches but he could have done with being a bit more personable with the players one on one.

I think he did his best and worked hard like he said but two sentences in the last episode summed it up for me.

Brownhill: We were just on the wrong end of results. Very true, very fine margins and some poor refereeing.

Checkets: (not verbatim) The squad have been signed for their personal ambition and not for the team. The players don't want to be here aside from their own personal gain. For success we need a core of players who will be with the club for 5 years.

I think anyone and their dog could repeat what Williams says about needing experience and I think the entire recruitment team aside from him seemed to be a bit of a joke. Mooney for example just rambles on about what he thinks we need but liked to label us as a club with our only success coming in the premier League era. Very strange. Given the criticism towards our owners it was obvious to me it was the likes of Ball and Mooney that really don't get the club.

Thought Pace came across really well. Cares a lot about the club, misguided when it comes to the atmosphere because he doesn't really understand the differences in crowds here but his heart is in the right place. As a boss he seemed to direct and work with everyone very well.

I think credit has to go to the club for allowing such a candid insight. Not sure they would have shown the Gudmundson incident if Kompany was still here but they kept the Foster and Cork flight in.

[Acting Claret]

Kompany comes across as a big bully. Going at a much smaller man in such an aggressive way.

[ClaretTony]

Watched one episode, struck me how quick the players were on their phones, i always thoight phones in the dressing room would be a big no no.

It wouldn't have happened up to just over two years ago and I suspect it doesn't happen now.

[dvalley69]

I've loved these 2 seasons. What a fantastic insight into how our club's run from a business and footballing perspective.

That speech by Checketts at the start of Ep.4 in Season 2 sums the whole thing up perfectly. And with what's just gone on this summer then it feels like a total restart. It's gonna be fascinating to see how the next phase under ALK unfolds.

[NewClaret]

Kompany comes across as a big bully. Going at a much smaller man in such an aggressive way.

In that particular moment, I agree he came across as a bully. Losing your temper like that in any other work setting is a dismissal event.

Superdemitri’s point was he doesn’t come across that way generally, which I also agree with.

And I think it’s worth revisiting that JBG/VK were seen embracing and such throughout the season so it was probably apologised for. Plus there’s a very real possibility the whole thing was manufactured to some extent or others for the cameras they knew were filming. You’d be a bit stupid to do that when you knew they were there, otherwise.

I agree with all of superdimitri’s post bar the points about Ball/Mooney.

On Ball, his only real involvement was drummergate and it was clear he was following Alan’s orders - which I don’t mind because we all have a boss and I’m sure if we’re all honest we get on with what they ask of us at work - but also that he was consulting widely. What wasn’t shown, and should’ve been, is him giving that feedback to Alan and him changing his mind. The whole storyline was left hanging. Either way it didn’t happen, so I really can’t see how anyone can draw any conclusion other than he/Alan did the right thing and knocked the idea on the head.

On Mooney, I thought he came across well generally, although I’d agree his analysis at some points sounded very much like he was ignoring our historic PL success and that of the club historically. I’d like to hope the embarrassment of last season has since been reflected upon by all departments at the club and he’d choose different words if he were to do the same interviews again.

[NewClaret]

I've loved these 2 seasons. What a fantastic insight into how our club's run from a business and footballing perspective.

That speech by Checketts at the start of Ep.4 in Season 2 sums the whole thing up perfectly. And with what's just gone on this summer then it feels like a total restart. It's gonna be fascinating to see how the next phase under ALK unfolds.

I agree. We’re so lucky to have this. I really hope it does well and we get a MtB3.

Just would love to see Sky and the club push it some more. Thats a great series and being realistic with the Kompany effect the most likely to pull a different audience in to the club and the series more generally, so they should push it I think.

[Steve1956]

Pace's giggle?
Is it for real?

[mdd2]

I think he has that unfortunate giggle and of course his voice is almost the antithesis of Sean Dyche's
I have been surprised by Mission2 and again enjoyed it. Certainly showed how glum the lads are when defeated and Lyle really got emotional about things and as far as Jack Cork was concerned overstepped the mark.
Into the boardroom and i though Dave Checketts assessment of the club philosophy was spot on and i couldn't disagree with his critique of it.
Sorry if already posted but not read all of this. If not mentioned i wonder what other UTC people think; particularly interested in those supporters who like me have been watching us for donkeys years.
I see Checketts quoted a few posts back

[superdimitri]

When Kompany joined his mantra was all about developing individuals which fit perfectly into ALK wanting to making money out of specific talents and buying low and selling for profit.

In the documentary however it seemed he didn't really focus on individuals at all.

It seems like he never really learned how to manage a situation where you aren't winning and he couldn't really relate to a lot of our players who are nowhere near as talented as ones he worked with at Manchester City.

His entire style of play was about scoring goals from the very first moment you win the ball which I'm certain he's picked up from Guardiola. To play that way you rely on players quality to make up for the shortcomings in such an attacking tactic.

I expect he will do well at the top level with top players but it may get nasty if he's not lucky in the Champions League with Bayern.

He also seemed far too arrogant. I really felt that in the scene when he was almost mocking us for chasing a player who was also being scouted by AC Milan.

I'm honestly a big believer that some managers can be the best in the world yet not cope with managing the underdog.

[helmclaret]

The thing with VK is he is still very young.

Like SP, he will have learnt a lot from his first few appointments. VK was clearly trying to implement methods that he had seen work in his career to date. You can’t really blame him for having that single minded approach after the incredible Championship season.

[Big Vinny K]

When Kompany joined his mantra was all about developing individuals which fit perfectly into ALK wanting to making money out of specific talents and buying low and selling for profit.

In the documentary however it seemed he didn't really focus on individuals at all.

It seems like he never really learned how to manage a situation where you aren't winning and he couldn't really relate to a lot of our players who are nowhere near as talented as ones he worked with at Manchester City.

His entire style of play was about scoring goals from the very first moment you win the ball which I'm certain he's picked up from Guardiola. To play that way you rely on players quality to make up for the shortcomings in such an attacking tactic.

I expect he will do well at the top level with top players but it may get nasty if he's not lucky in the Champions League with Bayern.

He also seemed far too arrogant. I really felt that in the scene when he was almost mocking us for chasing a player who was also being scouted by AC Milan.

I'm honestly a big believer that some managers can be the best in the world yet not cope with managing the underdog.

I agree with a lot of this.

I know he talks about his tough times in football before he came to Man City - which no doubt helped him be the leader he was on the pitch at City. But then for the rest of his career he is all of a sudden at the richest club in the world surrounded by the best players, coaches and facilities.
……and most importantly a limitless budget which can be used for when the manager gets it wrong with his signings. Which Pep did plenty of times. You buy a keeper for £30m (Bravo) and the defence is all over the place conceding goals. They just bag that keeper off and get another expensive keeper. Your bench is full of £50m plus players. You have world class players covering every position etc etc

If you spend a decade of your career in this environment then that has got to impact you - some of this will be in a positive way but I guess a lot of negatives too. Whilst Pep is clearly a great manager when things are going wrong being able to spend £100m or £200m every transfer window is a much quicker solution to redressing things than what most other managers have to do. From VK’s point of view what could he possibly have learned from Pep in this respect ?

The bar at Bayern is extremely high. Don’t think they will put up with not winning the league for much longer. But he may have got lucky with Bayer Lev being in Champions League. Bayern have a few players coming to the end of the career so it will be testing for VK to get the right players in.

Heard from a very good source last week an interesting thing about VK. We heard himself and others say about VK’s work ethic and how much time he spends at the club. That is completely correct according to the person who saw this at first hand who was talking to me. But he said that it goes beyond hard work for VK…..he rarely sees his wife and kids and his whole life revolves around football and this is how he has always been. If this is the case then not sure that this is the correct balance in life…..Dyche often talked about how spending time with his family and getting away from football was key to him in dealing with the pressure. When you look at VK if he has that similar obsession and intensity of someone like Pep without the success on the pitch then that’s probably not the best environment for the players and people around him.

[NewClaret]

Heard from a very good source last week an interesting thing about VK. We heard himself and others say about VK’s work ethic and how much time he spends at the club. That is completely correct according to the person who saw this at first hand who was talking to me. But he said that it goes beyond hard work for VK…..he rarely sees his wife and kids and his whole life revolves around football and this is how he has always been. If this is the case then not sure that this is the correct balance in life…..Dyche often talked about how spending time with his family and getting away from football was key to him in dealing with the pressure. When you look at VK if he has that similar obsession and intensity of someone like Pep without the success on the pitch then that’s probably not the best environment for the players and people around him.

That’s a really good point and one I can completely believe is true because he himself said in many interviews how he sacrificed his home life for the club. He said something like “big dreams aren’t achieved on a budget work ethic/without sacrifices” or something like that.

If you look at the JBG incident, assuming it’s real, maybe he was tired or his frustration was exaggerated because he’d been sacrificing seeing his family to prepare for training sessions and JBG walks in with a cob on. You can sort of see it.

Dyche also spoke about the importance of balance and rightly so.There’s probably no right or wrong way, it’s what works for the individuals.

I do believe Kompany when he said he gave it everything though, and in amongst him becoming public enemy number one I think we shouldn’t overlook that. He made mistakes, but lacking effort was not one of them.

[bfc-njr-2017]

ALL 4 EPISODES OF MISSION TO BURNLEY ON YOUTUBE.

EP 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5g4hMYDFc
EP 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfsKRThTwOU
EP 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LncngxwwI_Y
EP 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-Mm005R6m0

PLAYLIST: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... ISVCy5FxKU