Trafford

[BurnleyFC]

He’ll be very good in this league and was excellent today.

[taio]

He caught a ball this week long may it continue

You are pathetic

[Commy]

He looked so confident. Possibly because we actually were defending instead of leaving loads of grass between him and the defence.

[TheOriginalLongsider]

He played very well today. Would like him to stop waiting until a n attacker is alarmingly close before passing the ball though.

[ecc]

Interesting comparison between the two one-on-ones:

JT "made himself big" when Joseph was through which possibly explained in part why he missed whereas Meslier didn't move at all when Luca shot.

SP mentioned JT in the post-match interview mentioning his "difficult year". He's clearly working hard on the lad's confidence.

[Rileybobs]

He was fantastic yesterday. A few longkicks that went straight into touch were the only blemish, and considering we barely competed for long balls, conceding possession in this way was completely harmless and irrelevant.

Unsurprisingly aome of the resident muppets have shown themselves up as usual.

[ecc]

I really do think we need to do like SP and have a clean slate approach with our players. Last season's Muric/Trafford "debates" were way beyond tedious.

The lad is here, Muric isn't. Yesterday was a big test for him and he came good. Let's get behind the lad.

[taio]

He looked far more confident yesterday. He's only young so he will continue to learn. He played really well yesterday. His take from the cross late on was excellent, strong and, again, confident.

[Rileybobs]

Quite telling that Cullen (I think) pushed Trafford forward to orchestrate the first fist pump celebration with the Burnley fans after the final whistle.

[Cirrus_Minor]

Trafford was hung out to dry last season in front of a defence that didn't know how to defend. He clearly needed to be 'rested' and his confidence must have suffered. He was outstanding yesterday and has shown that he can command his area. Bodes well for the future.

[Big Vinny K]

The way Trafford was (and still is) being treated by some of our supporters is beyond embarrassing.

Watching the Premier League games this season and the Football League highlights there has been a hell of a lot dubious goalkeeping - much if it from far more experienced keepers than Trafford.

The way some of our supporters talk about him you’d think he made howlers last season like the ones Pickford and Muric made a couple of weeks ago.

Great game yesterday. He’s still very young and developing so let’s not expect him to go through the season without making mistakes.

[alwaysaclaret]

He was fantastic yesterday. A few longkicks that went straight into touch were the only blemish, and considering we barely competed for long balls, conceding possession in this way was completely harmless and irrelevant.

Unsurprisingly aome of the resident muppets have shown themselves up as usual.

I've been one of he's huge critics, however he looked different yesterday, persona wise, looked like he'd somehow turned a corner. Back to the muric/Trafford thing I was was a big advocate of muric, simply because he was the better all round keeper, nothing about favouring either for any other reason, yes muric is clearly a bit of a clown perhaps of grobbelar standards you could say but nevertheless the better all round keeper imo. Trafford had he's first decent game yesterday imo, long may it continue and if he carries on in the same vein I'm right behind him. He's season starts here, but one thing to remember yesterday is just one game, but fair play to the lad.

[Ric_C]

Had his best game for us yesterday. Hope he continues to grow in terms of commanding his area. Tbh a lot of the debates last season were around the fact that VK wanting to play out from the back and not change his style, and we could all see that Muric was 100% better suited to that style of setup.

[Fretters]

I think we've seen a big shift in Trafford's mentality lately. Running up to celebrate a goal at Luton, going to organise a free kick against Blackburn (bizarre, but I loved it) and the grin (with tongue sticking out) he pulled after the late claim at Leeds all show he's growing in confidence and is a big part of the dressing room.

Long may it continue!

[superdimitri]

With the new manager and goalkeeping coach he's probably had more training sessions focusing on goalkeeping duties. Past two seasons he was probably coached heavily on distribution.

I actually don't think he's naturally that great with his feet, other areas of his game have the potential to improve more.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

It’sa real shame that not many people can have a rational debate on this subject without throwing insults and calling names. Really shows up the intelligence of certain individuals on this forum. Telling people to shut up because your opinion doesn’t match with yours is plain dumb.

If your any goal keeper behind 7 players playing counter attack your not going to be called into action much.

A one on one save and a dive for the camera followed by a catch at the end. To give a 9/10 for that is really poor shows your understanding of the game is very low.

He’s in the shop window so hopefully sold in January.

[Benson]

It’sa real shame that not many people can have a rational debate on this subject without throwing insults and calling names. Really shows up the intelligence of certain individuals on this forum. Telling people to shut up because your opinion doesn’t match with yours is plain dumb.

If your any goal keeper behind 7 players playing counter attack your not going to be called into action much.

A one on one save and a dive for the camera followed by a catch at the end. To give a 9/10 for that is really poor shows your understanding of the game is very low.

He’s in the shop window so hopefully sold in January.

Dry your eyes mate.

[Holtyclaret]

It’sa real shame that not many people can have a rational debate on this subject without throwing insults and calling names. Really shows up the intelligence of certain individuals on this forum. Telling people to shut up because your opinion doesn’t match with yours is plain dumb.

If your any goal keeper behind 7 players playing counter attack your not going to be called into action much.

A one on one save and a dive for the camera followed by a catch at the end. To give a 9/10 for that is really poor shows your understanding of the game is very low.

He’s in the shop window so hopefully sold in January.

It’ll be next summer, following a good season hopefully that Newcastle (or others) will come back for him. Newcastles hands are tied keeper wise until then.

[GetIntoEm]

It’sa real shame that not many people can have a rational debate on this subject without throwing insults and calling names. Really shows up the intelligence of certain individuals on this forum. Telling people to shut up because your opinion doesn’t match with yours is plain dumb.

If your any goal keeper behind 7 players playing counter attack your not going to be called into action much.

A one on one save and a dive for the camera followed by a catch at the end. To give a 9/10 for that is really poor shows your understanding of the game is very low.

He’s in the shop window so hopefully sold in January.

Id just give it up. There's only one person coming off as "plain dumb"

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Id just give it up. There's only one person coming off as "plain dumb"

Don’t be too hard on yourself.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

It’ll be next summer, following a good season hopefully that Newcastle (or others) will come back for him. Newcastles hands are tied keeper wise until then.

The most disturbing thing is this need to become a shop window to sell players. Hopefully the more the Americans get used to English football the more they will realise it is not needed. Success brings it’s own rewards and player sales happen naturally anyway.

[Holtyclaret]

The most disturbing thing is this need to become a shop window to sell players. Hopefully the more the Americans get used to English football the more they will realise it is not needed. Success brings it’s own rewards and player sales happen naturally anyway.

Not really disturbing just different obviously with the aim of making a better fist of it in time in the big league.

[AfloatinClaret]

...If your any goal keeper behind 7 players playing counter attack your not going to be called into action much.

...To give a 9/10 for that is really poor shows your understanding of the game is very low.

So in essence what you're saying is that JT doesn't warrant much if any credit for our not conceding goals when we were defensively well organised at Leeds but he was primarily to blame for all the goals we conceded when we were defensively inept/naive last season.
That sounds a tad perverse to me, but I guess my understanding of the game is as low as everyone else's... Well excluding your own unimpeachable knowledge obviously.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

So in essence what you're saying is that JT doesn't warrant much if any credit for our not conceding goals when we were defensively well organised at Leeds but he was primarily to blame for all the goals we conceded when we were defensively inept/naive last season.
That sounds a tad perverse to me, but I guess my understanding of the game is as low as everyone else's... Well excluding your own unimpeachable knowledge obviously.

We at no point played with a back 7 last season.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I thought people might find it interesting but recently Cole Palmer had a pick his dream football side on current players, he included the likes of Haaland, stones etc…. But interestingly he picked Trafford as his keeper. He also went onto say that he thinks he’s going to be a top top keeper

[Goliath]

I thought people might find it interesting but recently Cole Palmer had a pick his dream football side on current players, he included the likes of Haaland, stones etc…. But interestingly he picked Trafford as his keeper. He also went onto say that he thinks he’s going to be a top top keeper

He might be right but the issue with this is that a big part of goalkeeping is in the mind. Games for the u21s aren't a great indicator for how Trafford would handle pressure in the big games at the top level or how he would handle making a few mistakes.

[fatboy47]

He'll be far better prepared for the Prem should the opportunity arise again...he could hardly be less ready than 23/4.season.

He'll be an established player at Burnley if it's with us...and if it's with an elite club then his place will have been earned,
unlike 23/4.

He'll also be 2 years older and wiser.

[dsr]

He might be right but the issue with this is that a big part of goalkeeping is in the mind. Games for the u21s aren't a great indicator for how Trafford would handle pressure in the big games at the top level or how he would handle making a few mistakes.

I think to an u21 international, the u21 European Championships are big games. If you're a lower level player, the lower level cup finals are big,

[pushpinpussy]

I thought people might find it interesting but recently Cole Palmer had a pick his dream football side on current players, he included the likes of Haaland, stones etc…. But interestingly he picked Trafford as his keeper. He also went onto say that he thinks he’s going to be a top top keeper

I love the fact that the anti Trafford bullies have gone very quiet this year. Imagine slagging off a young lad all year. I’m glad he’s getting recognition from those in the know.

[Stonehouse]

Some silly media site I read this week pick out the best players in each division and apparently the best rated keeper in the championship is a certain Lawrence Vigouroux and he couldn’t get a game with us ,obviously one man’s meat is another man’s poison,a little bit early to start saying that Trafford is going to be a world beater after last season however the signs are promising let’s leave at that until he’s had some severe tests.

[Burnleyareback2]

I love the fact that the anti Trafford bullies have gone very quiet this year. Imagine slagging off a young lad all year. I’m glad he’s getting recognition from those in the know.

I was never a bully, but Kompany got it wrong by throwing a keeper in at the deep end. Made worse by the signing on fee and made worse that we had found a new hero in the keeper from the year before.

Many players i looked at last year and thought-a good season in the championship will do them a treat.

[Stacks]

Has he really been tested yet?

We have 60-70% possession weekly. Anybody could do a job in our goal including the Ipswich lad with ease. The opposition is so poor and our team is strong…we are so strong that we have made Josh Laurent look like Lionel Messi.

[boatshed bill]

I was never a bully, but Kompany got it wrong by throwing a keeper in at the deep end. Made worse by the signing on fee and made worse that we had found a new hero in the keeper from the year before.

VK would have preferred Verbruggen who was more likely to be PL ready.

[Robbie_painter]

Has he really been tested yet?

We have 60-70% possession weekly. Anybody could do a job in our goal including the Ipswich lad with ease. The opposition is so poor and our team is strong…we are so strong that we have made Josh Laurent look like Lionel Messi.

Fairly sure he got “tested”at Leeds.

[Burnley1989]

Has he really been tested yet?

We have 60-70% possession weekly. Anybody could do a job in our goal including the Ipswich lad with ease. The opposition is so poor and our team is strong…we are so strong that we have made Josh Laurent look like Lionel Messi.

Same could be said for Muric, he turned into Buffon on here after a good year in the championship, finally got a game in the Premier league and low and behold was no better than Trafford.

"Throws grenade and opens popcorn"

[Big Vinny K]

Has he really been tested yet?

We have 60-70% possession weekly. Anybody could do a job in our goal including the Ipswich lad with ease.

That might be a valid statistic to use in your argument if it was true.
For more than half the games we have played this season that’s not the case.

Even if it was true the way we are playing we are not creating that many big chances. The opposition could easily create as many good chances as us in their 30% or 40% of possession.

Trafford is doing a good job this season. If he is not getting peppered with shots every 5 minutes like last season that’s a good thing - and not a reason to have another pop at him

[bumba]

Same could be said for Muric, he turned into Buffon on here after a good year in the championship, finally got a game in the Premier league and low and behold was no better than Trafford.

"Throws grenade and opens popcorn"

Wasn't better than Trafford!?
Results and performances clearly improved, he made a couple of unforgivable mistakes at crucial times but shot stopping wise he made some worldies to keep us in games.
Doesn't really matter anymore but the big problem last season wasn't either keeper it was VK.

[bumba]

Has he really been tested yet?

We have 60-70% possession weekly. Anybody could do a job in our goal including the Ipswich lad with ease. The opposition is so poor and our team is strong…we are so strong that we have made Josh Laurent look like Lionel Messi.

Played really well at Leeds and made a couple of big saves, I agree apart from that game hasn't been tested yet.
Trafford fans are using this season to say they are right about him but it actually proves the fans right last season who said he needed a season in the championship and wasn't ready for the premier league.
I believe he'd still look the same in the premier league this season so us being in the championship dominating most games it'll allow him time to develop at his natural speed.

[Hipper]

VK would have preferred Verbruggen who was more likely to be PL ready.

If I recall, Verbruggen was not brilliant at the start of his Brighton career. And that was in front of a reasonably stable Premier defence.

[Swizzlestick]

Same could be said for Muric, he turned into Buffon on here after a good year in the championship, finally got a game in the Premier league and low and behold was no better than Trafford.

"Throws grenade and opens popcorn"

He was quite clearly better than Trafford, hence why he now has a PL gig and JT doesn’t.

[Row x]

He was quite clearly better than Trafford, hence why he now has a PL gig and JT doesn’t.

And making big mistakes in that PL gig

[Swizzlestick]

And making big mistakes in that PL gig

Yet weirdly still their number one. Maybe his manager sees the bigger picture.

[Row x]

Yet weirdly still their number one. Maybe his manager sees the bigger picture.

Or has little choice, having spent big money, for them, and their number one from last year kicking his heels at burnley

[Swizzlestick]

Or has little choice, having spent big money, for them, and their number one from last year kicking his heels at burnley

And yet they seem to be doing alright for themselves. I think I’ll give McKenna a little more credit.