Browny: be patient

[claretonthecoast1882]

I’m more interested in what you think.

I think he is an important player for us especially at this level. 7 goals in his previous season at this level and 3 in 6 this season. He also got 4 in the Prem last season.

You may think they are all tap ins, they aren't.

[quoonbeatz]

We won the game , so obviously the moans and groans worked and motivated the players .

Could’ve won 5-1 with a bit of support though.

[Goody1975]

Beyer didn't make his debut until the 9th game of the season.

We may have beaten the press but I also saw us many times play backwards and sideways passes from decent attacking positions rather than a more positive, but riskier option. I think where we are now and where we were then is very comparable.

Exactly, the fans were getting equally frustrated two years ago, mainly due to Charlie Taylor not being 100% confident with his centre half role and the ball being continually being played square.

The problem with not being willing to step into midfield by carrying the ball, is that teams will plan their tactics accordingly, they will mark the men able to receive the ball but leave Worrall and Esteve to retain possession, they are no threat doing what they did on Saturday.

They need time, but we look better suited to counter attacking football rather than the possession based game we played under Kompany.

[Stonehouse]

Totally agree -

In a similar fashion, I vividly recall the Newcastle game at home towards the end of the 2021-2022 season. We desperately needed a win to avoid relegation. As soon as we fell behind by a goal, so many fans had their heads in their hands and went completely silent; with some even giving me strange looks when I tried to lift the atmosphere.

Not sure how being silent or groaning in crunch moments does anything to help the team (well, we know it infact does the opposite) - I find it really strange behaviour!

Some of it probably comes from having so many beatings last season fans new that as soon as we conceded a goal we’d lose .i think the onus is on the players to lift the fans .

[claretonthecoast1882]

You can certainly tell which ones used to chant Ian Moore Moore Moore.

Love runners

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I think he is an important player for us especially at this level. 7 goals in his previous season at this level and 3 in 6 this season. He also got 4 in the Prem last season.

You may think they are all tap ins, they aren't.

He can do it at this level that’s not in doubt. As we know the level is a chasm to the prem.

If we get promoted we need to replace him that’s why we keep getting relegated. Hendrick got dogs abuse but we never got relegated with him playing central midfield. Two relegations now for Josh.

[Scampi]

Sat in Longside Lower NL8, didn't seem to me that the amount of frustrated moans/groans was any worse than will have been heard at any football match ever played? Just as many "Come on Burnley's" as any widespread grumbling. And the only obvious bit of moaning was at the ref when he allowed Portsmouth to take 10 minutes out of the game around 70 with their time-wasting, pretend injuries and deliberately slow subs.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Graham Branch

How anyone survived watching him play left back I will never know.

[claretonthecoast1882]

He can do it at this level that’s not in doubt. As we know the level is a chasm to the prem.

If we get promoted we need to replace him that’s why we keep getting relegated. Hendrick got dogs abuse but we never got relegated with him playing central midfield. Two relegations now for Josh.

Well he has just gone from running around scoring a top to anonymous to being capable all at this level in about 5 minutes.

He could be in the next England squad with this rate of progression

[Colburn_Claret]

I agree, I saw openings too .... we have a better view at times ...

Also - he missed a couple of passes to LK and the groans kicked in.... which makes players stop trying those passes ....

so it's a tough one

I've read lots of posts on this and other threads about Worral and his passing. Whilst I agree he missed a few opportunities to set Koleosho away, he also played 3 or 4 sublime cross field passes to Anthony, and then Sarmiento. It makes the criticism ironic, especially as Steve who I like a lot, neither carried the ball forward or made those kind of passes.
Pre conceived perceptions taking the place of reality. We don't need to keep making scape goats of players.

[Goliath]

How anyone survived watching him play left back I will never know.

He was even worse at centre back.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Well he has just gone from running around scoring a top to anonymous to being capable all at this level in about 5 minutes.

He could be in the next England squad with this rate of progression

No i’ll stuck to my guns, anonymous apart from the odd goal at this level.

Prem , anonymous and loses ball high up field usually leading to a goal against.

Is a fun little game to play honestly try it. Watch him closely seems no one else does.

[beddie]

He’s every right to have a go but I thought maybe some of what he was hearing was directed more at the appalling official in the middle.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

He was even worse at centre back.

Who took his place in the team he was awful.

[The Shire Claret]

I've read lots of posts on this and other threads about Worral and his passing. Whilst I agree he missed a few opportunities to set Koleosho away, he also played 3 or 4 sublime cross field passes to Anthony, and then Sarmiento. It makes the criticism ironic, especially as Steve who I like a lot, neither carried the ball forward or made those kind of passes.
Pre conceived perceptions taking the place of reality. We don't need to keep making scape goats of players.

100% agree

again its to the original topic

Build and encourage the players

not know them down at any given opportunity

UTC

[The Shire Claret]

100% agree

again its to the original topic

Build and encourage the players

not know them down at any given opportunity

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'Throw' *

[CrosspoolClarets]

At times it reminded me of City yesterday, pass, pass, pass, pass. What City needed to do was put the defenders in the box and people like Foden at the back because he’d have been camped outside Arsenal’s box taking long shots. Either that or get around the back which they belatedly did with Grealish and it rescued a point. So even the best sides struggle.

The moans around me were when we were doing all that passing back. I understand what Brownhill says but the tempo needed to be as high as it was in the first half just before they ironically scored. At that tempo Pompey were set to fold. But pumping long balls in, no point doing that. It’ll come, I have more concerns with VK’s style as regards tempo. We forget that wasn’t all entertaining even in this league.

[AGENT_CLARET]

He needs to stay quiet and practice practice practice his free kicks and corners

[Colburn_Claret]

He needs to stay quiet and practice practice practice his free kicks and corners

Rubbish

He has every right to speak his mind, and I'm certain he's echoing what the rest of the team are saying, not just stating a personal opinion.
People who refuse to listen aren't helping.

[TPClaret]

Rubbish

He has every right to speak his mind, and I'm certain he's echoing what the rest of the team are saying, not just stating a personal opinion.
People who refuse to listen aren't helping.

Love it how fans moan about players but as soon as a player says something about the fans, some are whinging about it

[NewClaret]

I've read lots of posts on this and other threads about Worral and his passing. Whilst I agree he missed a few opportunities to set Koleosho away, he also played 3 or 4 sublime cross field passes to Anthony, and then Sarmiento. It makes the criticism ironic, especially as Steve who I like a lot, neither carried the ball forward or made those kind of passes.
Pre conceived perceptions taking the place of reality. We don't need to keep making scape goats of players.

The point about Worrall playing some great diagonal balls is true and in my slight criticism of him elsewhere I have failed to acknowledge that.

Which sort of shows he can play great passes so he should just back himself a bit more often.

I dare say the Koleosho run and no pass are actually a training move to perhaps get them out of shape though?

Watched the link above up to the Blackpool goals (will watch the rest later). I wasn’t THBs biggest fan and thought his passing was a bit overrated but in that game he played two beautiful straight balls to set up goals. Worrall has that in him too.

Genuinely think we’re not that far off:

- CBs (both) mix it up a bit
- Move the ball a bit faster
- Koleosho back himself and take his man on more

3 very achievable things without too much training needed to implement them and we’d see a marked improvement.

[ashtonlongsider]

I've no problem whatsoever with JB's post match comments. It's a statement from the captain/leader and as such i'd imagine he's airing the thoughts of the dressing room. What's more he's absolutely spot on. Were all in it together and need to pull in the same direction.

[NewClaret]

I've no problem whatsoever with JB's post match comments. It's a statement from the captain/leader and as such i'd imagine he's airing the thoughts of the dressing room. What's more he's absolutely spot on. Were all in it together and need to pull in the same direction.

Good point. Feel this is such a vital season for the long term direction of the club that it’s probably important we as fans get over ourselves a bit and get behind the team, particularly in this challenging forming stage. We do all need to pull in the same direction.

No issue whatsoever what Brownhill said as captain. Sometimes we need a talking to as well

[Clovius Boofus]

I'm Burnley till there's a bad pass.

[Vegas Claret]

He's spot on

[The Shire Claret]

I'm Burnley till there's a bad pass.

Accurate for some

[Big Vinny K]

If you watch him closely he doesn’t really do anything but arrive late for a tap in at this level.

If /when we get promoted you won’t notice him for 90 minutes i can guarantee you apart from losing the ball in dangerous positions. It’s a fun little game try it.

Which of the goals he has scored were “tap ins” ?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Rubbish

He has every right to speak his mind, and I'm certain he's echoing what the rest of the team are saying, not just stating a personal opinion.
People who refuse to listen aren't helping.

So have the paying customer

[CoolClaret]

Some of it probably comes from having so many beatings last season fans new that as soon as we conceded a goal we’d lose .i think the onus is on the players to lift the fans .

It needs to go both ways for me.

The frustrating aspect is fans losing all objectivity/nuance and not putting context into the current situation that SP & the team find themselves in.

Again, 13 points after 6 games with the obstacles that Parker has had to overcome in his short time as Burnley manager is a fantastic return.

[The Shire Claret]

People booing at HT was a pretty good example for me of what he's on about

Just beat Leeds away ... massive result - good points tally

Hit on the break having the most of it against a stubborn team... to get booed

It's a bit much

[Goody1975]

People booing at HT was a pretty good example for me of what he's on about

Just beat Leeds away ... massive result - good points tally

Hit on the break having the most of it against a stubborn team... to get booed

It's a bit much

Could they have been booing the referee?

Remember, he took dogs abuse when leaving the field at full time in a game we had won.

[AGENT_CLARET]

People booing at HT was a pretty good example for me of what he's on about

Just beat Leeds away ... massive result - good points tally

Hit on the break having the most of it against a stubborn team... to get booed

It's a bit much

The booing at Ht was 100% directed at the Ref

[Culmclaret]

As far as I could see/hear there was no booing of our team. Some frustrated noises in the second half but that was just as much urging the team on. I can sort of see what Brownhill was saying but I think he is being a bit of a sensitive flower tbh.

[Swizzlestick]

People booing at HT was a pretty good example for me of what he's on about

Just beat Leeds away ... massive result - good points tally

Hit on the break having the most of it against a stubborn team... to get booed

It's a bit much

The booing was clearly aimed at the ref and I’d be a bit concerned if that wasn’t pretty obvious.

[willsclarets]

The atmosphere is always pretty flat at home unless we're playing brilliantly well, when I've been on at least. There's very little in the way of the crowd lifting the team, the team always has to lift the crowd unfortunately. I totally get where Browny is coming from. Even when we won, the ratings on here in some cases were spectacularly harsh for Saturday.

Having been relegated and playing a team promoted perhaps the expectations we would blow them away were rife. But football doesn't work like that, especially given we are to a degree, a new team. But I don't think it's just Burnley, and I think it's a broader issue with "the product"

When I first went to watch football, it was purely about supporting the team. Now, with prices so high and the 'experience' being in focus more than anything, people naturally sit there wanting to be entertained. It's an entertainment product. It switches the dynamic somewhat, between the fans supporting the team and the team entertaining the customers.

[KRBFC]

If he put as much effort into his game that he does to his haircut and eyebrows the guy would be a world beater.

I can’t remember a poorer captain for Burnley. Best he keeps away from statements and just continues to be anonymous running around.

Are you really a BFC fan? You haven’t offered a single positive thing since posting here, just relentlessly slag off our players even after they’ve played well.

He just scored the winning goal……

He might not be PL level based on what we’ve seen but he’s very capable at this level (just not on set pieces).

[bobinho]

Sometimes, the onus should be on the individual to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The time for that is in and around the box. Sarmiento showed that on Saturday. Get a shooting chance, then ffs shoot!!! All this “let’s walk it in” is soooo feckin tiresome it’s unreal.
There have been undoubted improvements to the game and how it’s played in the last 10/12 years, but it certainly hasn’t helped the overall spectacle, or the effectiveness of sides who are close to the same technical ability of their opponents.
The sideways passing at the back, waiting for the attacker to get so close before releasing the ball…. Risking losing possession in a dangerous area - mate pointed out Worral is terrible for it, and he’s right. Trafford feigning the wide ball then feeding it straight thru the middle on the floor to a player who has someone right up his arse. Not playing the thru ball thru the middle (koleosho making beautiful defence splitting runs) in favour of feeding it out wide, only for it then to end up with Trafford three touches later. Burnley throw ins inline with the oppositions 18 yard line ending up with our keeper. Playing xG football is frustrating to watch. We won on Saturday, and we won ugly, and that’s great, but there are going to be **** loads of games like that when we don’t.
That's why people get frustrated and that’s why you can sense it Josh.

So thanks for letting us know what you want from us Josh, and because you’ve bothered your arse, I’ll bother mine.

When you are wearing that shirt, and in particular that armband, when you can see that the referee is as weak as rats ****, and the opposition is taking the ****, and you can SEE the frustration building in one of your own players (let’s say Flemming, for example) and he’s about to take matters into his own hands, I’d like you, as the captain, to DOMINATE the moment, take control and get amongst it. Make the ref feel like he owes us something, show him that his own inaction and failure to deal with blatant cheating has contributed to the situation he now has to deal with. On Saturday you failed in your duty. Please get better.

All meant in the same spirit you meant when explaining how we aren’t quite where we need to be.

[taio]

Reasonable points made by Brownhill.

[Rileybobs]

Sometimes, the onus should be on the individual to take the game by the scruff of the neck. The time for that is in and around the box. Sarmiento showed that on Saturday. Get a shooting chance, then ffs shoot!!! All this “let’s walk it in” is soooo feckin tiresome it’s unreal.
There have been undoubted improvements to the game and how it’s played in the last 10/12 years, but it certainly hasn’t helped the overall spectacle, or the effectiveness of sides who are close to the same technical ability of their opponents.
The sideways passing at the back, waiting for the attacker to get so close before releasing the ball…. Risking losing possession in a dangerous area - mate pointed out Worral is terrible for it, and he’s right. Trafford feigning the wide ball then feeding it straight thru the middle on the floor to a player who has someone right up his arse. Not playing the thru ball thru the middle (koleosho making beautiful defence splitting runs) in favour of feeding it out wide, only for it then to end up with Trafford three touches later. Burnley throw ins inline with the oppositions 18 yard line ending up with our keeper. Playing xG football is frustrating to watch. We won on Saturday, and we won ugly, and that’s great, but there are going to be **** loads of games like that when we don’t.
That's why people get frustrated and that’s why you can sense it Josh.

So thanks for letting us know what you want from us Josh, and because you’ve bothered your arse, I’ll bother mine.

When you are wearing that shirt, and in particular that armband, when you can see that the referee is as weak as rats ****, and the opposition is taking the ****, and you can SEE the frustration building in one of your own players (let’s say Flemming, for example) and he’s about to take matters into his own hands, I’d like you, as the captain, to DOMINATE the moment, take control and get amongst it. Make the ref feel like he owes us something, show him that his own inaction and failure to deal with blatant cheating has contributed to the situation he now has to deal with. On Saturday you failed in your duty. Please get better.

All meant in the same spirit you meant when explaining how we aren’t quite where we need to be.

Looks like Josh hit a nerve.

[Sharbtastic]

When one of the loudest cheers of the day is a sarcastic one for our own centre back playing a 25 yard pass I think Brownhill is probably right to have a bit of a moan about the fans.

[The Shire Claret]

The booing was clearly aimed at the ref and I’d be a bit concerned if that wasn’t pretty obvious.

I might have been influenced that the boo’s were at the players as when the whistle went I heard some boos and someone screaming we were absolutely crap lol

[The Shire Claret]

The booing at Ht was 100% directed at the Ref

I might have been influenced that the boo’s were at the players as when the whistle went I heard some boos and someone screaming we were absolutely crap lol

[bobinho]

Looks like Josh hit a nerve.

No he didn’t. He’s made his feelings clear, and that’s fine - I have no problem with that. Nice of him to take the time to explain where we fans can improve our performance when our team are struggling at home against a newly promoted side who are almost the bottom of the league.

But during the game, at the time the Portsmouth players were wasting time and dictating how the game should be reffed, his failure to act like a captain irked me somewhat.

So, looks like we can all improve a little wouldn't you say?

Anyway, excellent counter argument.

[Mattster]

Playing xG football is frustrating to watch.

We are not playing xG football (if there is such a thing). Our xG is s**te.

[Big Vinny K]

No he didn’t. He’s made his feelings clear, and that’s fine - I have no problem with that. Nice of him to take the time to explain where we fans can improve our performance when our team are struggling at home against a newly promoted side who are almost the bottom of the league.

But during the game, at the time the Portsmouth players were wasting time and dictating how the game should be reffed, his failure to act like a captain irked me somewhat.

So, looks like we can all improve a little wouldn't you say?

Anyway, excellent counter argument.

Portsmouth were unbeaten in their last 13 away games….including drawing away at Leeds. They maybe near the bottom of the league but for much of the game on Saturday they played really well.

The time wasting was frustrating for everyone but completely understandable from a team trying to get their first win. It was up to the referee to sort this out - but he was an awful referee and we are going to see an awful lot of them in this league. What exactly did you expect Brownhill to do ? Do you not think Brownhill and other players were speaking to the referee about the time wasting ? Crap referees let things go…..he let the time wasting go. He let other things go too. Flemming was lucky to stay on the pitch.

‘Failure to act like a captain”……he scored the winning goal. For most fans that’s more than enough.

[Colburn_Claret]

So have the paying customer

So you either believe that he's lying, or you don't give a toss if the crowd undermines the performance of the team.

Sad.

[Nonayforever]

The line I picked up on that Josh mentioned and doesn't seem to have been discussed is the mention of the ball being kicked forward and going out for a throw in , which he said "would be frustrating '.
I think that exemplifies the fans frustration as we are totally useless at throw ins.
Portsmouth were brilliant at them

What is wrong with having possession of the ball near their area. Three quarters of the job has already been done by getting it there.

[AGENT_CLARET]

So you either believe that he's lying, or you don't give a toss if the crowd undermines the performance of the team.

Sad.

Freedom of speech new to you, Brownhill can say whatever he wants 100% he can, but so can the fan's

[HuncoatClaret]

I didn't hear too much moaning at the players, but there is no doubt that we have to move the ball much quicker than we did on Saturday.
The person who seemed to be moaning the most was Koleosho who was pulling his hair out at times through frustration. We have to use his pace as we did with Tella, with the occasional ball over the top or down the line for him to run onto, this is why Tella got so many 1 on 1's

[tarkys_ears]

Ironic that Brownhill is asking for patience.

We've all given him way more patience than he's deserved over the years...