Everton...Another Season of Struggle?

[jrgbfc]

I find it hard to believe they can't find an alternative to Ashley Young.

[KRBFC]

Expensive squad maybe but who would you pick at right back instead of him?
There's a lot going on at Everton that I wouldn't be blaming Dyche for.

He signed the 39 year old full back.

You can’t use lack of funds as an excuse either, he spent £45m on 2 forwards (who he doesn’t even use btw) in the same window.

[Newcastleclaret93]

He signed the 39 year old full back.

You can’t use lack of funds as an excuse either, he spent £45m on 2 forwards (who he doesn’t even use btw) in the same window.

Beto played 30 times last season and Chermitti was a 19 year old striker did you really expect him to play more than 15 games (he had 14 apps for Everton last season).

[CoolClaret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phtG-ePWiE4

[Commy]

Is Young a left back? Look how we have struggled to find one and we are looking in a lesser pool than Everton. Decent left backs are like rocking horse **** at the minute.

[ŽižkovClaret]

If they had money i wonder if they may have looked at Trippier, but they don't so they didn't.

Just what must the RB's in their u23s and such be thinking?

[KRBFC]

Beto played 30 times last season and Chermitti was a 19 year old striker did you really expect him to play more than 15 games (he had 14 apps for Everton last season).

How many starts….

[KRBFC]

£30m on a striker that played 940 minutes last season. I believe 9 starts all season long.

Chermitti cost £15m and played less than 200 minutes last season.

Is that a good allocation of funds when you’re relying on a 38-39 year old at full back?

[Bigvince]

How many starts….

Started 9 in league, 943 minutes in total

[Plissken]

To be fair, it takes at least a season for a player to get Dyche fit.

[Big Vinny K]

What’s the debate here ?
That Dyche has spent money and not improved the team ?

In the last 2 seasons Everton have spent around £80m on players and sold players for around £150m to £160m. Sounds like he’s having to operate under pretty similar conditions and restraints that he was under Burnley in terms of transfer spend.
I’m sure the wages budget dwarfs what he had at Burnley but whilst I have not bothered checking the recent wage bill at Everton I would be surprised if the wage bill had gone up under his tenure (based on the squad of players he has now).

The other thing to bear in mind is how much Everton have blown on the wages for their managers. Dyche must be one of the lowest paid manager they have had in the last decade. As much as a few Everton fans think they are a massive club I’m not sure many realise what a perilous financial position they are in. How can they expect to be in anything other than a relegation battle under these constraints I’m not sure. Is there any other team in the league who are operating like Everton at the moment ?

[ClaretOfMancunia]

Think Dyche performed minor miracles keeping them up the last two seasons. Toffees need to be thankful for that at least.

Seems they're currently upset that he's not playing their new signings... Similar to the grumblings we'd have when he did the same here.

[SirBob]

Young or Pires? There are definitely some cheap options out there that even Everton should be able to afford

[Tall Paul]

They've got a 22 year old full back but he's injured.

[martin_p]

£30m on a striker that played 940 minutes last season. I believe 9 starts all season long.

Chermitti cost £15m and played less than 200 minutes last season.

Is that a good allocation of funds when you’re relying on a 38-39 year old at full back?

£15m is tuppence ha’penny in the Premier League. You certainly don’t get a starting eleven striker for that.

[Commy]

Young or Pires? There are definitely some cheap options out there that even Everton should be able to afford

Unless players have come through the youths, Everton fans expect the finished article. They wouldn't allow Pires to learn and would be on his back from day one if he made a defensive mistake.

[bumba]

He signed the 39 year old full back.

You can’t use lack of funds as an excuse either, he spent £45m on 2 forwards (who he doesn’t even use btw) in the same window.

Patterson has a long term injury or he may have stepped up this season

[steve1264b]

Everton fans astound me. Yes one of the biggest and most successful clubs in history.

But lets be honest even under Moyes they were below budget for a big club.

Current owner has spent a fortune, but badly. They have a disjointed low talent squad. What do they expect?

Dyche was probably the only manager who could have kept them up last yeat, this year was always going to be a struggle.

[KRBFC]

£15m is tuppence ha’penny in the Premier League. You certainly don’t get a starting eleven striker for that.

Tell that to those whining about Amdouni, Trafford and Tresor then….

[Stayingup]

There a lot of things I disagree with you on but not this.

He won’t last the season

Seeing as you said in your infinte wisdom, that when he left Burnley, he would NEVER get another job (haha ludicrous comment) I am going to have a bet that he does last the season.

[Shaggy]

Seeing as you said in your infinte wisdom, that when he left Burnley, he would NEVER get another job (haha ludicrous comment) I am going to have a bet that he does last the season.

Seeing as that is totally made up.

What I actually said was he will never do a better job than he done at Burnley. We were his peak. He is not fashionable or tactically astute. Hes a pound shop Fat Sam.

[IanMcL]

A take over will end his reign.

[martin_p]

Tell that to those whining about Amdouni, Trafford and Tresor then….

Don’t have to, the evidence of last season is there for all to see.

[jlup1980]

I couldn't believe how poor their starting 11 was on Saturday. It's as poor as any team he put out for us. His comment about the fans is bang on as well, and you could see his frustration (unusual for Dyche). They walk out as soon as a game is lost. They're the most fickle fan base in the country by a mile.

[theduke]

A bit of a knee jerk. They didn't get battered really they just got hit on the counter twice. Everton could have scored a fair few.

Plus they were missing a few key players. They'll be fine this season they got 46 points last year and their squad is better now

[aggi]

Looks like a takeover is finally going to go through with the Friedkin Group. There's a lot of money there but I'd be surprised if they were going to throw a lot of it at Everton. Can suspect there will be a few more years of sensible spending until the ground gets up and earning.

[Tricky Trevor]

Looks like a takeover is finally going to go through with the Friedkin Group. There's a lot of money there but I'd be surprised if they were going to throw a lot of it at Everton. Can suspect there will be a few more years of sensible spending until the ground gets up and earning.

I don’t know the Friedkin group but the fella Textor has been mentioned recently. Is he involved with Friedkin? Cheers.

[pushpinpussy]

I would put my mortgage on Dyche keeping Everton up. He will do the usual and go on a 3-4 game winning run. Love the man.

[LeadBelly]

I don’t know the Friedkin group but the fella Textor has been mentioned recently. Is he involved with Friedkin? Cheers.

The (Friedkin Group) deal needs approval yet - from Premier League, the Football Association, and the Financial Conduct Authority. The guy is well rich though and would've been at least partly investigated re his previous attempt to buy Everton; doubt threll be a problem.

Friedkin currently owns Roma (bought for £591million a few years ago) and already has some financial involvement in Everton (£100 million?) relating to a loan they made when previously looking to take over

Friedkin's money comes from car sales - with the rights to distribute Toyota vehicles in Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Oklahoma. The guy is worth around £4-5 billion.

I dont really follow Italian footy so no idea if they're doing a good job at Roma.

[ElectroClaret]

Isn't this Textor bloke still involved with Palace?

[aggi]

I don’t know the Friedkin group but the fella Textor has been mentioned recently. Is he involved with Friedkin? Cheers.

No, looks like his attempted takeover will likely fall through as he can't sell the Palace shares.

[ElectroClaret]

SSN reporting a deal been done.

Statement from the Friedkin Group....
"We are pleased to have reached an agreement to become custodians of this iconic football club.
We look forward to providing stability to the club and sharing our vision for it's future, including the completion of the new Everton Stadium at Bramley -Moore dock."

Looks like it's a goer.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

They will be wanting some sexy football soon if this goes through.

Can Dyche deliver this? the natives are getting restless.

[ecc]

Three full-backs out plus Branthwaite. Doesn't help when the squad is weak.

[Stonehouse]

Unless players have come through the youths, Everton fans expect the finished article. They wouldn't allow Pires to learn and would be on his back from day one if he made a defensive mistake.

You mean a bit like some on this board who gave him 4 on Saturday?

[Notsosuperstevedavis]

But anyone can do that.

Give me a Nick Pope over (anyone) etc etc

What a nonsense argument.

Im sorry. I barely agree with KRBFC at any point in time but he’s spot on here.

Saying Koleosho was 10 when we signed Lennon is being quite obtuse in my eyes.

The point he’s making is that you mix youth with experience to recycle the team.

When you have a planet of footballers to choose from and an ageing squad. How do you settle on Dale Stephens and Ashley Young?

At that time. We needed young exciting players to rejuvenate the squad. Not players older than oldies we had.

It was so short term its beyond comprehension

[GodIsADeeJay81]

They will be wanting some sexy football soon if this goes through.

Can Dyche deliver this? the natives are getting restless.

Given time and resources Dyche has proven he can provide a good style of football

He isn’t getting the resources, injuries are hitting the squad and he may not get the time

[theduke]

The (Friedkin Group) deal needs approval yet - from Premier League, the Football Association, and the Financial Conduct Authority. The guy is well rich though and would've been at least partly investigated re his previous attempt to buy Everton; doubt threll be a problem.

Friedkin currently owns Roma (bought for £591million a few years ago) and already has some financial involvement in Everton (£100 million?) relating to a loan they made when previously looking to take over

Friedkin's money comes from car sales - with the rights to distribute Toyota vehicles in Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi and Oklahoma. The guy is worth around £4-5 billion.

I dont really follow Italian footy so no idea if they're doing a good job at Roma.

Friedkins worth about $8b on his own wealth but his business turn over nearly $20b annually. They've pumped $1b into Roma and it looks like the deal agreed is that he pays all Evertons debt off.

Everton will now be going into a £750m stadium fully paid off with no debt. The interest on their loans was rumoured to be nearly £50m per season, plus the new stadium is expected to earn them an extra £75m to £80m per season. Expect the stadium to have a Toyota or Lexus name deal.

Just goes to show how important this is for them... from next summer they could be £130m per season better off

[elwaclaret]

Everton fans may be in for a shock, I was watching some interviews from Roma fans and journalists who said yes he puts in plenty of money but they feel like they have lost their club. Little connection to the fan base and little knowledge or interest in the Roman football culture. All in the garden does not sound to be rosey from those snippets.

[theduke]

Italian and English fans are very different though. Not sure it will bother Everton fans, they've literally had a dodgy Russian Gangster and his accountant running the club from Monte Carlo.

Moshiri hasn't been to Goodison in years

[elwaclaret]

Italian and English fans are very different though. Not sure it will bother Everton fans, they've literally had a dodgy Russian Gangster and his accountant running the club from Monte Carlo.

Moshiri hasn't been to Goodison in years

True, but neither did he seem to meddle with the Everton culture. Although he took endless flack Bill Kenright remained in control of keeping Everton, Everton.

[Devils_Advocate]

Everton fans may be in for a shock, I was watching some interviews from Roma fans and journalists who said yes he puts in plenty of money but they feel like they have lost their club. Little connection to the fan base and little knowledge or interest in the Roman football culture. All in the garden does not sound to be rosey from those snippets.

People on here dont realise how lucky we are to have an owner like Mr Pace who loves the club and really gets the town.

[Darnhill Claret]

DA, you're getting repetitive now.

[JR1882]

Love Dychey but it was a feature of his reign here that we paid decent money for players who didn’t feature anywhere near as much as we thought for whatever reason, whilst we backfilled other positions with deadwood & journeymen towards the end. He cried poverty here but for every good buy there was an expensive dud.

Think Everton are in the same position as last season in that they will get more points than the three poor promoted teams.

Very unsure on the buyout, Roma seem to spend good money without getting too far up the league, sounds familiar!

[elwaclaret]

People on here dont realise how lucky we are to have an owner like Mr Pace who loves the club and really gets the town.

Absolutely I saw him just the other day sharing his tripe and black pudding on Scott’s park, washed down with Benni of course.

[Big Vinny K]

He cried poverty here but for every good buy there was an expensive dud.

Is that a serious comment ?

Dyche spent less in the transfer market than any other club in the league over the period he was manager in the premier league.
We got into Europe and finished 7th twice
We had 5 players who cost a total of £15m (all of them put together) who got in the full England squad.
The list goes on and on…

Are you seriously saying for all these fantastic players he brought into the club (many of them for a free or less than £3m) that he signed an expensive dud ?

Did I miss us going into administration ?

[Quickenthetempo]

Friedkins worth about $8b on his own wealth but his business turn over nearly $20b annually. They've pumped $1b into Roma and it looks like the deal agreed is that he pays all Evertons debt off.

Everton will now be going into a £750m stadium fully paid off with no debt. The interest on their loans was rumoured to be nearly £50m per season, plus the new stadium is expected to earn them an extra £75m to £80m per season. Expect the stadium to have a Toyota or Lexus name deal.

Just goes to show how important this is for them... from next summer they could be £130m per season better off

It will be huge for Everton just to get the interest payments paid off. At nearly 1m a week it doesn't bare thinking about.

At our last accounts we were paying 21k a day in interest. That was bad enough.

[ChorltonCharlie]

There were relatively expensive flops under Dyche, but I think part of that has to be understanding football economy. There’s a kind of Premier League tax, and as soon as a PL club is after one of your players, the price goes up. That was the biggest problem Dyche found after finishing 7th. The money he had wasn’t enough to improve on what he already had. I can only see Gibson, Vydra and Weghorst that you’d call a dud. Kompany signed more flops in August 2023 than Dyche did in his 10 years.

[IanMcL]

Friedkins worth about $8b on his own wealth but his business turn over nearly $20b annually. They've pumped $1b into Roma and it looks like the deal agreed is that he pays all Evertons debt off.

Everton will now be going into a £750m stadium fully paid off with no debt. The interest on their loans was rumoured to be nearly £50m per season, plus the new stadium is expected to earn them an extra £75m to £80m per season. Expect the stadium to have a Toyota or Lexus name deal.

Just goes to show how important this is for them... from next summer they could be £130m per season better off

It does spell good fortune for Everton, going forward and would also signal the end of Mr Dyche's saviour against the odds role.

Probably his Christmas present.