The Fans

[Row x]

I was that bored for the last 20 minutes I actually found myself wanting a Plymouth goal just for some entertainment.

The second half was the dullest I’ve seen in a very long time.

You wanted Plymouth to score?
Really? Or just for effect on here?

[Row x]

As soon as we had the free kick as the 6 minute injury time started and kept it in the corner, I just walked out.
I've not got any time for it. Nevermind against lesser opposition at home.

Perhaps we should have tried playing entertaining football, and run the risk of giving a goal away, or do what we did and win the game

[CaptainKirk]

Perhaps we should have tried playing entertaining football, and run the risk of giving a goal away, or do what we did and win the game

I wonder how many years John Barnes lay awake at night trying to work out why he didn’t head for the corner flag in 1989 at Anfield against Arsenal with the Title in his pocket?

[GDK]

The 6 minutes by the corner flag was far more enjoyable than the last 6 minutes against West Ham last season for example.

No problem at all with game management like that, irrespective of the opposition. All part of regaining the winning mentality that we had completely lost under Kompany.

[Quickenthetempo]

Perhaps we should have tried playing entertaining football, and run the risk of giving a goal away, or do what we did and win the game

If they want my custom yes. If that's his intention to bore teams to death then I will watch the games on teletext.

When you are by far the better team and have far more finances it is more likely you will score than the opposition.

[Row x]

If they want my custom yes. If that's his intention to bore teams to death then I will watch the games on teletext.

When you are by far the better team and have far more finances it is more likely you will score than the opposition.

Let me know where you are, and I'll bring you the teletext TV

[FeedTheArf]

You wanted Plymouth to score?
Really? Or just for effect on here?

Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t on my seat shouting Green Army, but they had a half decent shot and I thought to myself if that went in at least we’d, hopefully, have some entertainment and attacking intent.

Passing between the centre backs isn’t my idea of enjoyment.

[Quickenthetempo]

Let me know where you are, and I'll bring you the teletext TV

Is the remote still working?

[Row x]

Is the remote still working?

Only if you attach it to the TV by the lead

[Row x]

Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t on my seat shouting Green Army, but they had a half decent shot and I thought to myself if that went in at least we’d, hopefully, have some entertainment and attacking intent.

Passing between the centre backs isn’t my idea of enjoyment.

It might be an age thing, I don't know, but I don't understand anyone wanting the other team to score, especially at only 1.0

[NewClaret]

The 6 minutes by the corner flag was far more enjoyable than the last 6 minutes against West Ham last season for example.

No problem at all with game management like that, irrespective of the opposition. All part of regaining the winning mentality that we had completely lost under Kompany.

That was pretty much my thoughts.

It amazes me how many on here hated on Kompany for being too open and idealistic and are now hating on Parker for grinding out wins in an unstylish way with good game management.

[Tinribs]

It is the most boring football since - Kompany early days. Before that Cotterill.

By the time something good happens, we are all in a stupor!

I was more bored last season when we were 3-0 down most games with half an hour to go

[Stonehouse]

It might be an age thing, I don't know, but I don't understand anyone wanting the other team to score, especially at only 1.0

Good old Row X being his usual argumentative self

[KRBFC]

I think this slow ponderous stuff is even more boring than the defend and knock it long Dyche stuff.

This style has absolutely no chance of working in the PL, creating very little and slowly knocking it around the back is a recipe for disaster at a higher level.

If we can’t create opportunities against shite like Oxford and Plymouth then god help us up a level.

[Loyalclaret]

Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t on my seat shouting Green Army, but they had a half decent shot and I thought to myself if that went in at least we’d, hopefully, have some entertainment and attacking intent.

Passing between the centre backs isn’t my idea of enjoyment.

You werent on your own, lad infront of me said the same thing.

[bumba]

I think this slow ponderous stuff is even more boring than the defend and knock it long Dyche stuff.

This style has absolutely no chance of working in the PL, creating very little and slowly knocking it around the back is a recipe for disaster at a higher level.

If we can’t create opportunities against shite like Oxford and Plymouth then god help us up a level.

Created good opportunities in both games and could easily have won both by 3/4 goals which is more than can be said for last season.
The 1st half football yesterday was good, the knocking it around slowly at the back is what we've done for the past two seasons

[bumba]

I did, but at least there were plenty of opposition goals last year to break up the dullness!

If we’re holding it in the corner with 10 minutes to go against Plymouth at home then the crowd will act accordingly.

How many games did we throw away at the beginning of the last championship season through messing around with it? People then were saying why didn't we hold out and seal the win.
We got the job done.

[Clovius Boofus]

State of this thread. Anyone would think we were second from the bottom.

[kentonclaret]

Created good opportunities in both games and could easily have won both by 3/4 goals which is more than can be said for last season.
The 1st half football yesterday was good, the knocking it around slowly at the back is what we've done for the past two seasons

Claiming that we could have beaten Oxford by 3 or 4 goals when we only had a single shot on target is stretching it just a bit.

[Dark Cloud]

Whilst it may be fair comment to say playing like we're doing at the moment won't get us very far in the PL should we end up there next season, I also think surely it's fair comment to suggest SP knows this as well as anyone and will in theory recruit and adjust accordingly if indeed we are promoted. I THINK right now we're taking a pragmatic approach in saying it's a pretty poor division and if you work hard, are incredibly fit, have a modicum of talent and organisation and are extremely difficult to score against there's a good chance you'll be very close to the top. What comes after a promotion is then the key (a key Kompany unfortunately misplaced incidentally!)

[bumba]

Claiming that we could have beaten Oxford by 3 or 4 goals when we only had a single shot on target is stretching it just a bit.

Shots on target don't define good chances, Koleosho should have buried his chance last night but put it way over the bar. It wasn't a shot on target but goes down as a sitter.
We had several similar opportunities against Oxford

[RVclaret]

Claiming that we could have beaten Oxford by 3 or 4 goals when we only had a single shot on target is stretching it just a bit.

Im always a bit bemused by this. If we missed 20 open nets from 6 yards, with the ball going over the bar, there wouldn’t be a shot on target right? Would it be a stretch saying we should have won and scored 3 or more?

….let me introduce you to something called xG.

[Elizabeth]

We are not creating enough clear chances whether they are going over the bar or not. Last night in the first half we got into umpteen dangerous positions around both sides of their defence but whether the ball was put in on the ground or in the air we looked impotent. That has to change.
While we are getting away with 1-0 wins against teams at the bottom that will be accepted by many but it is no way good enough.

[dvalley69]

We are not creating enough clear chances whether they are going over the bar or not. Last night in the first half we got into umpteen dangerous positions around both sides of their defence but whether the ball was put in on the ground or in the air we looked impotent. That has to change.
While we are getting away with 1-0 wins against teams at the bottom that will be accepted by many but it is no way good enough.

Didn't realise Leeds were at the bottom! Winning 1-0 isn't good enough now! It really beggars belief what some people are saying!

[Row x]

Didn't realise Leeds were at the bottom! Winning 1-0 isn't good enough now! It really beggars belief what some people are saying!

It's beyond belief, it's pathetic and embarrassing

[Elizabeth]

Didn't realise Leeds were at the bottom! Winning 1-0 isn't good enough now! It really beggars belief what some people are saying!

You know I was talking about last night or should have

[Elizabeth]

It's beyond belief, it's pathetic and embarrassing

You do like being dramatic don't you

[AGENT_CLARET]

How many games did we throw away at the beginning of the last championship season through messing around with it? People then were saying why didn't we hold out and seal the win.
We got the job done.

Trouble is we were holding out to seal the win straight after Brownhill slotted home the pen

[Row x]

You know I was talking about last night or should have

Yet you said "teams" so it's understandable that the poster thought you meant more than one team

[Row x]

Trouble is we were holding out to seal the win straight after Brownhill slotted home the pen

Not quite, but even if we did, it worked, we won, and I've always thought that was the objective, anything else is a bonus.

[Elizabeth]

Yet you said "teams" so it's understandable that the poster thought you meant more than one team

No it’s not if you read what I said properly.

If you want an argument go and pick one with the many other posters you are always looking for arguments with. I’m not interested

[Ric_C]

I was that bored for the last 20 minutes I actually found myself wanting a Plymouth goal just for some entertainment.

The second half was the dullest I’ve seen in a very long time.

You are therefore a "fan" and not a "supporter"

It's fair enough, but you need to own it, if that is your way of thinking

[bumba]

Trouble is we were holding out to seal the win straight after Brownhill slotted home the pen

We wasn't going to play for a draw once we'd gone 1 up was we?

[mdd2]

Dull first half? Really? Thought it was near complete dominance with some really nice footballing moves.

We played well in first half the main problem our inability to pass to one of our players in their box once we got near or in it
Several times we managed to pass or hit one of their defenders or the cross was too near their keeper
I agree second half was dull

[KRBFC]

Created good opportunities in both games and could easily have won both by 3/4 goals which is more than can be said for last season.
The 1st half football yesterday was good, the knocking it around slowly at the back is what we've done for the past two seasons

Funny how the biggest Kompany haters are suddenly riding the nuts of Parkerball. Like there’s even a comparison between the two, respectfully Parker will get absolutely nowhere close to replicating the 101 point title winning season footy.

[Stonehouse]

No it’s not if you read what I said properly.

If you want an argument go and pick one with the many other posters you are always looking for arguments with. I’m not interested

Seems to have some of Nori’s traits just wants to argue with everyone .I wonder if they’re related .

[Tinribs]

Funny how the biggest Kompany haters are suddenly riding the nuts of Parkerball. Like there’s even a comparison between the two, respectfully Parker will get absolutely nowhere close to replicating the 101 point title winning season footy.

Let’s hope when he takes us up he doesn’t replicate the utter shite Kompany served up in the Prem

[Juan Tanamera]

Funny how the biggest Kompany haters are suddenly riding the nuts of Parkerball. Like there’s even a comparison between the two, respectfully Parker will get absolutely nowhere close to replicating the 101 point title winning season footy.

We're already two points ahead of the same stage from two seasons ago.
Perhaps when you say Parker will get nowhere close to replicating the 101 points title winning season you possibly meant Parker could surpass it.

[bumba]

Funny how the biggest Kompany haters are suddenly riding the nuts of Parkerball. Like there’s even a comparison between the two, respectfully Parker will get absolutely nowhere close to replicating the 101 point title winning season footy.

Where do you get the Kompany hater from?
7 good months that were enjoyable and then some of the worst dross I've ever seen.
I wasn't deluded like yourself about VK, I watched Bayern last night and it's clearly his system that causes issues regardless of players ability because they struggled but with much better players available, I couldn't see any good football from Bayern certainly nowhere close to years gone by.
Parker is off to a better start he deserves the backing VK got in his first season.

[Stalbansclaret]

I’m really bemused by this thread. It’s ridiculous.
We have a new team and have effectively endured a period of turmoil yet after 8 games we are second in the league.
For those who seem to have found Tuesday night so stultifyingly boring you can’t have been watching us for many years or you have a very short memory. It’s the nature of football that we’re not going to play brilliantly all the time …it’s an ongoing evolution and any game where we end up with 3 points in the bag is fine by me.
Sit back and enjoy watching the story develop …. Though ideally without wanting the opposition to score to provide you with more “entertainment”.

[cmobfc]

We got into great areas in the first half, playing some lovely football in the process, but at the minute we aren't executing the final pass or shot as well as we should.

The second half was much poorer but we never really looked troubled by a team who've scored plenty recently.

Injury time was a masterclass by Brownhill (and to a lesser extent Jay and Sarmiento) in killing a game off. It is far more proactive than dropping deep. I cannot believe the criticism of it when we all saw last season what can happen if you don't manage the game properly.

[AGENT_CLARET]

We got into great areas in the first half, playing some lovely football in the process, but at the minute we aren't executing the final pass or shot as well as we should.

The second half was much poorer but we never really looked troubled by a team who've scored plenty recently.

Injury time was a masterclass by Brownhill (and to a lesser extent Jay and Sarmiento) in killing a game off. It is far more proactive than dropping deep. I cannot believe the criticism of it when we all saw last season what can happen if you don't manage the game properly.

Managing the game probably in the Premier league is a different animal to the Championship that 2nd half and added on time was poor

[Murger]

We’re so slow at everything we do. I’m hoping it’s because we’re still a relatively new team, and that gets better as the season goes on.
Otherwise, it’s mind numbing stuff.

[GetIntoEm]

if this message board is indicative of our fan base then the club and the players are right, our fans are poor.

We are picking up results, 2nd in the league, on course for promotion back to the prem yet we have people saying we are absolutely rubbish and wishing for the opposition to score.

I'm glad this place isnt the same as what real fans are saying. Its like Calderstones patient chat.

[quoonbeatz]

Football is generally pretty boring when you’re expected to win most of the time because most people are just waiting around for a goal. It’s way better when you’re the underdog or there’s a bit of needle or there’s a perceived injustice to get people going. It’s why the atmosphere at places like city and liverpool is garbage for most games, for example, and it’s no different for us when we’re the big dogs in the league.

[Quicknick]

It's always been the same at Turf Moor, and everywhere else, in that at some games the atmospere is great, at others it's flat. This is normal.

[pureclaret]

So for me I hate the shielding of a ball at the corner flag with 2 of our players and 2 of there's trying to get it /keep it.
So after last night watching a bit of Villa v Bayern, hers what could have happened corner taken gets to mid goal after a scramble blasted into the net 2 -0 game over. Other option corner taken does not beat first defender heads clear to one of there fast guys who races out of the box gets to just past the half way and flicks the ball over Nauer ops Trafford goal 1-1 game over I feel that although hard to watch perhaps better than a draw.
We got 3 pts we are 2nd in the league with 11 players out

[Goliath]

Football is generally pretty boring when you’re expected to win most of the time because most people are just waiting around for a goal. It’s way better when you’re the underdog or there’s a bit of needle or there’s a perceived injustice to get people going. It’s why the atmosphere at places like city and liverpool is garbage for most games, for example, and it’s no different for us when we’re the big dogs in the league.

Very true. Its why I sometimes miss the Cotterill/Coyle/Stan days which is when I started watching. Those big cup ties against prem opposition or league games against big hitters in the champ used to generate some brilliant atmospheres which we just don't get anymore and I doubt we will for a long time.

Were definitely lost that underdog mentality as a club. Even when we are in the prem it just seems to feel a bit flat nowadays.

[FeedTheArf]

You are therefore a "fan" and not a "supporter"

It's fair enough, but you need to own it, if that is your way of thinking

I think you're probably right. In my youth is was life and death and I'd be gutted all week if we'd lost at the weekend. As I've got older and got more important things in my life, of course I want to see us do well, but it's as much about catching up with people and hopefully having some entertainment as anything else.

[Raconteur]

That was pretty much my thoughts.

It amazes me how many on here hated on Kompany for being too open and idealistic and are now hating on Parker for grinding out wins in an unstylish way with good game management.

There's a bit of difference between the two though, isn't there?

Wanting game management against some of the big Premier league teams who are much better than us is understandable.

Being disappointed in getting game management against a Plymouth team whose squad is way below ours is also understandable.

Its like comparing apples and oranges.