The Fans

[NewClaret]

There's a bit of difference between the two though, isn't there?

Wanting game management against some of the big Premier league teams who are much better than us is understandable.

Being disappointed in getting game management against a Plymouth team whose squad is way below ours is also understandable.

Its like comparing apples and oranges.

Game management is a learned skill (or strength of character), so why would anyone think it’s anything other than very wise to learn and develop a skill/strength of character in the Championship if we know we will need it in the Premier League, assuming that’s where we all aspire to be?

Not that I like it in either league. It just seems utterly bizarre to me that the same people complaining about Kompany’s style or lack of willingness to adapt his attacking principles are also complaining about Parker developing his teams game management abilities.

[Quickenthetempo]

Scott Parker is lucky that Rocky is no longer with us.

Attack attack attack would be ringing around his ears.

[Mattster]

Slightly off topic but I wonder what the response will be to those who point it out when our 2022/23 points total after x games inevitably is higher than this season's. It will happen.

It's trotted out almost every other post that we're currently ahead,.

[RVclaret]

Scott Parker is lucky there are enough fans with more than 1 brain cell who can understand the context of the difficult hand he was dealt (restarting pre-season 3 games in) & how well we are doing with such a young squad, with injuries left right and centre.

[Mattster]

Scott Parker is lucky there are enough fans with more than 1 brain cell who can understand the context of the difficult hand he was dealt (restarting pre-season 3 games in) & how well we are doing with such a young squad, with injuries left right and centre.

Here's your weekly reminder that 8 of the starting 11 in our most recent game were with us the whole of preseason. With 7 of them starting against Luton.

[RVclaret]

Here's your weekly reminder that 8 of the starting 11 in our most recent game were with us the whole of preseason. With 7 of them starting against Luton.

Here’s your reminder most goal scorers (78%) from that game and Cardiff are no longer at the club & a key replacement attacking signing has been injured. May as well add our back 4 in the last 2 games has consisted of a left footed left centre back (who Swansea fans didn’t rate) at right back and a 21 yr old right back with barely any football at centre back - back 5 combined average age of 21.6, probably our youngest ever.

[NewClaret]

Here’s your reminder most goal scorers (78%) from that game and Cardiff are no longer at the club & a key replacement attacking signing has been injured. May as well add our back 4 in the last 2 games has consisted of a left footed left centre back (who Swansea fans didn’t rate) at right back and a 21 yr old right back with barely any football at centre back - back 5 combined average age of 21.6, probably our youngest ever.

The back line age point is incredible.

[Mattster]

Here’s your reminder most goal scorers (78%) from that game and Cardiff are no longer at the club & a key replacement attacking signing has been injured. May as well add our back 4 in the last 2 games has consisted of a left footed left centre back (who Swansea fans didn’t rate) at right back and a 21 yr old right back with barely any football at centre back - back 5 combined average age of 21.6, probably our youngest ever.

3 players in our most recent starting lineup weren't with us throughout preseason.

3.

That is not a case of having to "restart preseason 3 games in", however you want to dress it up.

6 of Plymouth's starting lineup on Tuesday started their opening game. That's fewer than our 7/11.

[Big Vinny K]

Slightly off topic but I wonder what the response will be to those who point it out when our 2022/23 points total after x games inevitably is higher than this season's. It will happen.

It's trotted out almost every other post that we're currently ahead,.

It’s only being pointed out to people like you in the context of we are not doing too bad in terms of points given what has happened at the club and the fact that we are not playing that well either.

I don’t know any supporters who are saying we are playing brilliantly or making comparisons to the last promotion team. The difference between most fans and yourself though is they are prepared to give the manager and the team some time to work together.

[RVclaret]

3 players in our most recent starting lineup weren't with us throughout preseason.

3.

That is not a case of having to "restart preseason 3 games in", however you want to dress it up.

6 of Plymouth's starting lineup on Tuesday started their opening game. That's fewer than our 7/11.

That 11 has never played together before, 2 new attacking players in the 11, Koleosho now playing in a different role, back 4 that has players out of position, 2 subs who came on replacing ‘already here players’ were new, making it half an 11 of new players on the pitch, you want me to keep going or can we agree with Parker when he says it’s been a challenge to restart things with a new group several games in?

[HitchinClaret]

I agree with it all, just need a bit of patience.

I'd just like our 1-0 wins to be a bit prettier, a bit more exciting, a bit more 'bums off seats' type wins. Bit boring at the moment, but I'm very happy overall with the points to date, certainly better than the dread of being smashed week in week out last year.

[Bosscat]

I agree with it all, just need a bit of patience.

I'd just like our 1-0 wins to be a bit prettier, a bit more exciting, a bit more 'bums off seats' type wins. Bit boring at the moment, but I'm very happy overall with the points to date, certainly better than the dread of being smashed week in week out last year.

Sums it up perfectly ...

[Mattster]

That 11 has never played together before, 2 new attacking players in the 11, Koleosho now playing in a different role, back 4 that has players out of position, 2 subs who came on replacing ‘already here players’ were new, making it half an 11 of new players on the pitch, you want me to keep going or can we agree with Parker when he says it’s been a challenge to restart things with a new group several games in?

The only players that are being played out of position are being played out of position by the choice of the manager.

"That 11 has never played together before" - it's 1 player different from the starting lineups against Oxford and Portsmouth. The only change from the Oxford game was, again, at the managers choice.

Oh no, we're 2 of the 4 subs new signings (who had been with the club a month)!?! That's unheard of in football

[Big Vinny K]

What an absolute pr-ick you are.

That feels so much better sometimes than rationale debate !!

[RVclaret]

Was going to reply with some rationale until I saw the above post which gets to the crux of things better.

[daveisaclaret]

It's probably noteworthy that in summer when Mattster predicted our season would go like this he was abused for being wrong and now he's posting that it's going like this he's being abused because it's actually inevitable.

[RVclaret]

It's probably noteworthy that in summer when Mattster predicted our season would go like this he was abused for being wrong and now he's posting that it's going like this he's being abused because it's actually inevitable.

Mattster hasn’t been proven right or wrong or anything 8 games into a season of which we had to restart pre-season due to mid-season chaos. Good riddle though.

[Mattster]

What an absolute pr-ick you are.

That feels so much better sometimes than rationale debate !!

Was going to reply with some rationale until I saw the above post which gets to the crux of things better.

Ah, name calling. The last resort of those who can't reason.

Is there any single point I've made in my last few posts that isn't fact?

[Stonehouse]

Although 7 of Tuesday nights team were here in preseason I should imagine Parker was building his starting 11 to include O’Shea Odebert JBG and possibly even Berge and Weghorst and to suddenly be with out those 4 would have blown a huge hole in his plans.

[Mattster]

Although 7 of Tuesday nights team were here in preseason I should imagine Parker was building his starting 11 to include O’Shea Odebert JBG and possibly even Berge and Weghorst and to suddenly be with out those 4 would have blown a huge hole in his plans.

8. Not 7. 8 were here throughout preseason.

7 of whom were in the opening day starting 11.

[Anonymous Claret]

Mattster hasn’t been proven right or wrong or anything 8 games into a season of which we had to restart pre-season due to mid-season chaos. Good riddle though.

It's pointless replying to the poster you responded to because like Mattster he has an agenda against Parker.There are others too like these two who it appears to me would rather see Parker fail than see the supposed club that they support succeed just so they can say that they were right all along. It's quite sad really.
They seem to forget that the team that scored 9 goals in the first 2 games lost 3 of their best players from those starting line ups for the best part of £60,000,000 and replaced them with cheaper options.
When we appointed Kompany I hoped that come Christmas time we would be around the play offs and then kick on once the team gelled. That season exceeded my expectations.
I feel the same about this season. Once the team has become familiar with each other and some of our long term injuries maybe return later in the year I expect us to be very strong. I liked Kompany and I like Parker even though he was far from my first choice.
We have had a tougher start than Kompany's season, have more points yet 'fans' still want to have a go at our style of play because we are not playing like Man City or Barcelona.

[Mattster]

It's pointless replying to the poster you responded to because like Mattster he has an agenda against Parker.

I'm not even being negative about Parker here, I'm just challenging (with inarguable facts) the nonsense some people are inventing to talk him up further. It's unnecessary to make things up or hyperbolise, his points total so far is unquestionably good.

Whether you think the points total reflects the performances (or even care) is personal opinion which I haven't posted in this thread and wouldn't start throwing insults at people for holding a different one even if I had.

[daveisaclaret]

It's pointless replying to the poster you responded to because like Mattster he has an agenda against Parker.There are others too like these two who it appears to me would rather see Parker fail than see the supposed club that they support succeed just so they can say that they were right all along. It's quite sad really.

This is silly and absurd, not only because it's stupid to say some people want to see Parker fail but also because I think we are going to win the league.

[boyyanno]

I'm not even being negative about Parker here, I'm just challenging (with inarguable facts) the nonsense some people are inventing to talk him up further. It's unnecessary to make things up or hyperbolise, his points total so far is unquestionably good.

Whether you think the points total reflects the performances (or even care) is personal opinion which I haven't posted in this thread and wouldn't start throwing insults at people for holding a different one even if I had.

That isn't what you're doing though.

It's pretty common knowledge we had a lot of upheaval this window, a disrupted pre-season as a result and we've got injuries in a newly forming squad/group.

You've basically just responded to that opinion by saying we had 8 players from the starting 11 that were here in pre-season or some other irrelevant (but factually correct) nonsense, as if that disproves it- which it obviously doesn't.

In the summer we had 15 in, 20 out, replaced the manager and a significant portion of back room staff to boot. How on earth does your statistic mitigate any of that?

[Big Vinny K]

Egan Riley was one of those players he is referring to that was with us pre season

Most fans were surprised he was still at the club given he hardly made the bench in the previous 2 years let alone got his boots dirty.

Yet now he finds himself starting most games this season. Even the biggest idiot (and this fan is up there in that list) can see that this is not something that the club, manager, players or fans would have planned for this season or wanted….

[Quickenthetempo]

I think injuries are Scott Parkers get out clause rather than not having enough time with the squad.

He has had full weeks on the training ground with not many midweek games yet and an international break to work with most.
He has them playing how he wants, it's just a bit too cautios for mine and a few other fans liking.

Better players coming back could be more creative and clinical.

[Mattster]

That isn't what you're doing though.

It's pretty common knowledge we had a lot of upheaval this window, a disrupted pre-season as a result and we've got injuries in a newly forming squad/group.

You've basically just responded to that opinion by saying we had 8 players from the starting 11 that were here in pre-season or some other irrelevant (but factually correct) nonsense, as if that disproves it- which it obviously doesn't.

In the summer we had 15 in, 20 out, replaced the manager and a significant portion of back room staff to boot. How on earth does your statistic mitigate any of that?

I'm not questioning that the preseason was a lot of change, (though changing the manager somewhat mitigates that as they're all new and he hasn't worked with a number of the outgoings at all). I'm saying there wasn't effectively a whole new preseason 3 games into the season - as we can see from our last 3 games in which only 3 players in the starting lineup joined after the season started and 7 of the starting 11 started the game against Luton*

That's not a whole new preseason, is it?

*which everyone points to as Parker's ideal lineup/performance.

[Mattster]

Egan Riley was one of those players he is referring to that was with us pre season

Most fans were surprised he was still at the club given he hardly made the bench in the previous 2 years let alone got his boots dirty.

Yet now he finds himself starting most games this season. Even the biggest idiot (and this fan is up there in that list) can see that this is not something that the club, manager, players or fans would have planned for this season or wanted….

Parker could choose John Egan who has been training with us for months. He could choose Sambo and play Humphreys at centre back. Parker continues to pick Egan-Riley.

Say Roberts is back this weekend, even if he replaces Egan-Riley and Humphreys moves to centre back* then guess what? We'd still be playing a lineup where 8 of the 11 had a full preseason with Parker. The only difference would be then it'll be 8 of the 11 from the Luton game too.

*I think more likely Roberts just comes in for Humphreys

[The Shire Claret]

I'm not questioning that the preseason was a lot of change, (though changing the manager somewhat mitigates that as they're all new and he hasn't worked with a number of the outgoings at all). I'm saying there wasn't effectively a whole new preseason 3 games into the season - as we can see from our last 3 games in which only 3 players in the starting lineup joined after the season started and 7 of the starting 11 started the game against Luton*

That's not a whole new preseason, is it?

*which everyone points to as Parker's ideal lineup/performance.

So if you’re not speaking negatively about Parker … what point are you making ?

I’m struggling to see one ?

Just that the points we acquired 2 years ago will overtake the points we acquire this season ?

Not really a bold prediction and won’t deem this season a poor one if it happens ?

There is a vibe that people are wanting to be negative and it does come across that way … we are 8 games in

I think we are similar to that amazing season where we haven’t clicked yet but it’s getting closer …

I do feel like we would have drawn the last game though as we gave some soft goals away in the early stages of VK’s first season


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[Mattster]

So if you’re not speaking negatively about Parker … what point are you making ?

I’m struggling to see one ?

Just that the points we acquired 2 years ago will overtake the points we acquire this season ?

Not really a bold prediction and won’t deem this season a poor one if it happens ?

There is a vibe that people are wanting to be negative and it does come across that way … we are 8 games in

I think we are similar to that amazing season where we haven’t clicked yet but it’s getting closer …

I do feel like we would have drawn the last game though as we gave some soft goals away in the early stages of VK’s first season


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I just find it funny that in every single thread about the team there's a reference to the 22/23 season points total after x amount of games. Even when no one is making any comparison to that season in any way. Often, multiple times in a thread.

I don't see why and was just wondering what the reaction will be when inevitably the points total is in the 22/23 seasons favour and someone points that out.

And then some posters started that whole "total reset 3 games into the season" nonsense and I questioned it only to get called a "pr-ick" and an idiot because some people don't like that pesky things like facts get in the way of posting fantasy.

[The Shire Claret]

I just find it funny that in every single thread about the team there's a reference to the 22/23 season points total after x amount of games. Even when no one is making any comparison to that season in any way. Often, multiple times in a thread.

I don't see why and was just wondering what the reaction will be when inevitably the points total is in the 22/23 seasons favour and someone points that out.

And then some posters started that whole "total reset 3 games into the season" nonsense and I questioned it only to get called a "pr-ick" and an idiot because some people don't like that pesky things like facts get in the way of posting fantasy.

Context is important

A squad isn’t the 3 changes - you’re kinda making out like it was no big deal…

It was an absolute mess of panic when the squad was announced against Sunderland


16 players / friends / a culture out

About the same / strangers etc … people gunning for positions in …

People aren’t robots and it affects things …

VK and Parker are saying exactly the same things … we are ahead of where we thought we would be …. Still early for what we are trying to do

Look at Luton ….

It’s all positive for me and people are Going to compare … it’s human nature …

But like VK deserved time and support

Parker deserves the same respect

[NL Claret]

Not getting involved in the argument or making comparisons etc.

2 years ago my dad , a ST holder in the JHU since it opened thought Kompany’s football was boring.

New managers / head coaches need time and a few transfer windows before being judged.

[Mattster]

Context is important

A squad isn’t the 3 changes - you’re kinda making out like it was no big deal…

It was an absolute mess of panic when the squad was announced against Sunderland


16 players / friends / a culture out

About the same / strangers etc … people gunning for positions in …

People aren’t robots and it affects things …

VK and Parker are saying exactly the same things … we are ahead of where we thought we would be …. Still early for what we are trying to do

Look at Luton ….

It’s all positive for me and people are Going to compare … it’s human nature …

But like VK deserved time and support

Parker deserves the same respect

I'm saying it wasn't a total reset and a whole new preseason after 3 games. That is it.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Mattster made his position clear on Parker from day 1 so no surprise to see him use some stats which allow him to continue this.

There is a poster on twitter called Matt who often posts dumb stuff for attention about Burnley & Parker, if it is a different person then the warning is probably to future parents don't call your kid Matt, if it is the same person then he probably best ignored and not given the attention craved.

[RVclaret]

Mattster made his position clear on Parker from day 1 so no surprise to see him use some stats which allow him to continue this.

There is a poster on twitter called Matt who often posts dumb stuff for attention about Burnley & Parker, if it is a different person then the warning is probably to future parents don't call your kid Matt, if it is the same person then he probably best ignored and not given the attention craved.

Same person. Looking at some tweets it’s interesting to see he acknowledged the upheaval at the time and the relative chaos, what’s changed?

‘Odobert, Berge + Zaroury gone. O'Shea, Amdouni, Koleosho, Benson heading out. Parker's tactics of passing it sideways across the defence continue when behind against 10 men. Dressing room unrest. Truckload of injuries...

What's there to be negative about, eh?’

‘Foster to Brentford one to watch too
Because Odobert, Berge, Koleosho, Amdouni, O'Shea, Muric, Zaroury, Benson, Al-Dakhil, and Twine (and the rest) just wasn't enough’

‘Feel better about it now than I did during. However, I still think we went too far and should have shut the door on key players after Berge. O'Shea was where we crossed the line and it went to pieces - the 5 points dropped since then as a result could be huge.’

[Mattster]

Same person. Looking at some tweets it’s interesting to see he acknowledged the upheaval at the time and the relative chaos, what’s changed?

‘Odobert, Berge + Zaroury gone. O'Shea, Amdouni, Koleosho, Benson heading out. Parker's tactics of passing it sideways across the defence continue when behind against 10 men. Dressing room unrest. Truckload of injuries...

What's there to be negative about, eh?’

‘Foster to Brentford one to watch too
Because Odobert, Berge, Koleosho, Amdouni, O'Shea, Muric, Zaroury, Benson, Al-Dakhil, and Twine (and the rest) just wasn't enough’

‘Feel better about it now than I did during. However, I still think we went too far and should have shut the door on key players after Berge. O'Shea was where we crossed the line and it went to pieces - the 5 points dropped since then as a result could be huge.’

Any of those tweets say anything about restarting preseason 3 games in? No? So what's the relevance?

Bit weird stalking me across platforms though, mate.

[Big Vinny K]

Any of those tweets say anything about restarting preseason 3 games in? No? So what's the relevance?

Bit weird stalking me across platforms though, mate.

Why do you think anybody is “stalking” you just because they notice you aren’t been as much as a negative idiot on Twitter as you are on here ?

All this “factual” stuff you keep on defending yourself with is purely semantics.

It’s clear to everyone that you are saying that losing all the players we did is no excuse for the performances. Dress it up however you want but that is what you are trying to defend on here….and I don’t know one supporter who agrees with you.

[RVclaret]

Any of those tweets say anything about restarting preseason 3 games in? No? So what's the relevance?

Bit weird stalking me across platforms though, mate.

You acknowledged the mess we were in for a short time, and now act like it was hardly anything. Like you said, training ground unrest and bucket load of injuries, combined with all those leaving and new ones in, and an international break, means the manager simply hasn’t had the time on the training ground - we had 8 players on the pitch v Leeds who didn’t start v Sunderland, effectively a new team and pre-season.

And stalking, lol, when you’re the only one coming out with (on these platforms, opening yourself to attention and comment) dumb sideways pass statistics, constantly berating Parker and have the same name / use the same language it’s not rocket science.

[TsarBomba]

Another really good press conference by Parker.

I would love it if he was with us for 3/4+ years. Done a remarkable job so far.

[ClaretPete001]

I think Scott Parker is doing fine. Hard to say you would do any different given the injury situation other than perhaps try and play Kolosheo through the middle as we did with Odobert.

Alan Pace banging is drum is the source of much negativity towards the fans. He created a high risk scenario, which creates the anxiety that means we do need to succeed constantly. Great leaders act to reduce negativity not cause it.

But in all fairness, I think Pace and Parker have done a job giving us a squad that looks good enough to go up.

The only negative is that we lack firepower, which is something Scott Parker needs to look at in terms of getting midfield players breaking the lines and creating more opportunities.

The fans fill Turf most weeks except when the away team brings 600, which is a good effort in the Championship and debate will always err on the negative because being mindlessly positive all the time is not that interesting. And I think the atmosphere is as good as it ever was when the ground gets going....!

I think talking is best done on the pitch, and the fans find entertainment in what ever way they wish as long as it's not being mindlessly negative on the Turf. I think for the most part given 2 relegations in 3 seasons the fans have not been bad all given back in the day chairman were pilloried at the drop of a hat.

Bit of commonsense and patience all round really.

[Mattster]

Why do you think anybody is “stalking” you just because they notice you aren’t been as much as a negative idiot on Twitter as you are on here ?

All this “factual” stuff you keep on defending yourself with is purely semantics.

I'm sorry, a bit of light doxxing, going back over a month of posts, copy pasting some (irrelevant) tweets onto here and insulting people for holding a different opinion is completely normal behaviour. My bad.

It’s clear to everyone that you are saying that losing all the players we did is no excuse for the performances. Dress it up however you want but that is what you are trying to defend on here….and I don’t know one supporter who agrees with you.

I've been pretty clear all I'm doing is challenging the exaggeration that we had a whole new preseason 3 games in. Feel free to show me where I've said anything different.

[Mattster]

You acknowledged the mess we were in for a short time, and now act like it was hardly anything. Like you said, training ground unrest and bucket load of injuries, combined with all those leaving and new ones in, and an international break, means the manager simply hasn’t had the time on the training ground - we had 8 players on the pitch v Leeds who didn’t start v Sunderland, effectively a new team and pre-season.

And stalking, lol, when you’re the only one coming out with (on these platforms, opening yourself to attention and comment) dumb sideways pass statistics, constantly berating Parker and have the same name / use the same language it’s not rocket science.

A number of the players mentioned in those tweets didn't leave. And the turmoil had an impact on the immediate results (the 5 points dropped specifically mentioned in one of them). However, the changes did not amount to a new preseason by any stretch, it was a short term impact. As evidenced by the incontrovertible facts of how many of our starting lineups across the last 3 games were here throughout (actual, non-fantasy) preseason and started the opening game against Luton.

The stalking jab is not just that you'd make the connection but then go back through over a month of my tweets to then copy/paste onto here like it's some kind of smoking gun. Bit weird.

[boyyanno]

A number of the players mentioned in those tweets didn't leave. And the turmoil had an impact on the immediate results (the 5 points dropped specifically mentioned in one of them). However, the changes did not amount to a new preseason by any stretch, it was a short term impact. As evidenced by the incontrovertible facts of how many of our starting lineups across the last 3 games were here throughout (actual, non-fantasy) preseason and started the opening game against Luton.

The stalking jab is not just that you'd make the connection but then go back through over a month of my tweets to then copy/paste onto here like it's some kind of smoking gun. Bit weird.

Entertain me. Explain how the highlighted passage evidences that it was a short term impact only?

Factually we've had a different manager and a turnaround of approx 40 players and staff in about 2 months- I could do a you and say this proves my point that the impact has been long term- but I'm not a moron- I actually understand what a subjective opinion is.

[Mattster]

Entertain me. Explain how the highlighted passage evidences that it was a short term impact only?

Factually we've had a different manager and a turnaround of approx 40 players and staff in about 2 months- I could do a you and say this proves my point that the impact has been long term- but I'm not a moron- I actually understand what a subjective opinion is.

The tweets being referenced are from the final day (possibly days) of the transfer window and refer to 5 points dropped as a result of the turmoil from those last few days (Sunderland, Rovers).

I don't know how many times I have to state all I'm challenging here is RVClarets' ridiculous exaggeration that we had to have a whole new preseason 3 games into the season. Nowhere have I said there wasn't a lot of change in the actual preseason (which ended 8 weeks ago).

[RVclaret]

A number of the players mentioned in those tweets didn't leave. And the turmoil had an impact on the immediate results (the 5 points dropped specifically mentioned in one of them). However, the changes did not amount to a new preseason by any stretch, it was a short term impact. As evidenced by the incontrovertible facts of how many of our starting lineups across the last 3 games were here throughout (actual, non-fantasy) preseason and started the opening game against Luton.

The stalking jab is not just that you'd make the connection but then go back through over a month of my tweets to then copy/paste onto here like it's some kind of smoking gun. Bit weird.

Funny how you are presenting ‘incontrovertible facts’ but you dismiss any others such as 78% of the scorers in the first two games left the club, 7 new players joined the club in the final week of the window, 2 players who started and 1 who came on against Rovers had 1x 45 minute training session, then 2 week international break where some key players left, 8 players who started at Leeds didn’t start at Sunderland Inc 2 who hadn’t played since May in a single game - whether or not the last game had 7 or 8 starting who were here for pre season (Trafford joined 3 weeks late and didn’t play a single game by the way, while Egan-Riley didn’t start play any part in the ‘first team’ games), doesn’t change my view that in essence, Parker had to essentially re-build the culture, blend 7 new players in immediately (many who had zero match fitness as they hadn’t been playing with their clubs) and start again with tactical work, training sessions would have ‘taken a step or two back’ - to summarise this is the type of work you’d do in a pre-season.

As for Twitter, you don’t have to trawl through, there’s a pretty simple search tool there.

[Anonymous Claret]

The tweets being referenced are from the final day (possibly days) of the transfer window and refer to 5 points dropped as a result of the turmoil from those last few days (Sunderland, Rovers).

I don't know how many times I have to state all I'm challenging here is RVClarets' ridiculous exaggeration that we had to have a whole new preseason 3 games into the season. Nowhere have I said there wasn't a lot of change in the actual preseason (which ended 8 weeks ago).

I respect that you try to continue to defend your opinion but there are lots of other factors to consider. I think that RV Claret raised a valid point.

After the season started we lost quite a few of first team players or first team squad members who were involved in the first few games including Odobert, O Shea, Vitinho, JBG, Amdouni, Weghorst, Mc Nally, Zaroury and Twine. In the first 2 games all these players had game time apart from Twine who was an unused sub.

Add to that a lot of the players we recruited were towards the end of the window including Anthony, Hannibal, Worrall, Sarmiento and Flemming.

Have you ever worked in an environment where there has been a large staff turnover and noticed the impact that had? Relationships and friendships had been built over a period of time with the existing players and the players that left. Its going to take time for new friendships and relationships to develop. It is also going to take time for the new players to adapt to a new way of working. It is even going to take the existing players from the last regime time to play as the new management team want them to.

Most people understand and accept this scenario and are willing to be patient and give everyone especially the manager and players a little leeway.

If we are still struggling to break down teams in the bottom half of the table around January then that may be a cause of concern but as it is I think that we are exceeding or at least meeting expectations.

[boyyanno]

The tweets being referenced are from the final day (possibly days) of the transfer window and refer to 5 points dropped as a result of the turmoil from those last few days (Sunderland, Rovers).

I don't know how many times I have to state all I'm challenging here is RVClarets' ridiculous exaggeration that we had to have a whole new preseason 3 games into the season. Nowhere have I said there wasn't a lot of change in the actual preseason (which ended 8 weeks ago).

So it doesn't evidence it then- thanks for clearing that up.

[Mattster]

Funny how you are presenting ‘incontrovertible facts’ but you dismiss any others such as 78% of the scorers in the first two games left the club, 7 new players joined the club in the final week of the window, 2 players who started and 1 who came on against Rovers had 1x 45 minute training session, then 2 week international break where some key players left, 8 players who started at Leeds didn’t start at Sunderland Inc 2 who hadn’t played since May in a single game - whether or not the last game had 7 or 8 starting who were here for pre season (Trafford joined 3 weeks late and didn’t play a single game by the way, while Egan-Riley didn’t start play any part in the ‘first team’ games), doesn’t change my view that in essence, Parker had to essentially re-build the culture, blend 7 new players in immediately (many who had zero match fitness as they hadn’t been playing with their clubs) and start again with tactical work, training sessions would have ‘taken a step or two back’ - to summarise this is the type of work you’d do in a pre-season.

As for Twitter, you don’t have to trawl through, there’s a pretty simple search tool there.

So a short term period of turmoil? After which we've returned to the situation we're in now (8/11 & 7/11)?

Also, 5 players joined in the final week of the window, not 7.

The goalscorer % is (unsurprisingly as it's coming from you) misleading and selective*. There were 9 goals in the first 2 games. 2 by Brownhill, 1 by Koleosho, 1 own goal. So really 55% (5/9) of goals were scored by players that left, 2 of those players played a grand, combined sum of 65 minutes across 3 games before leaving (having not played in any friendlies either).

*And most importantly wrong. Scorers in first 2 games = 7. Scorers who left = 5. 5/7 = 71%. Counting own goal as a scorer that left is a bit of an own goal ba-dum-tsh

So maybe that's why I dismissed it

[Mattster]

So it doesn't evidence it then- thanks for clearing that up.

Well ofcourse it doesn't evidence it, I never said or intended it did

[fatboy47]

Find yourself a girlfriend Matt.

Really.