Really Poor Today

[123EasyasBFC]

None of this explains why with the team we had out we were so poor today.

It’s football it happens, the same team that drew all the games at the beginning of the 22/23 season and lost to sheff united 5-2 then went on to win 10 in a row.

Didn’t realise we had become a fanbase to write a manager and players off after 9 games in which we have only lost 1

[TheFamilyCat]

We haven’t played a game since the window closed with anywhere near our strongest team yet. Today wasn’t great at all but how anyone can complain at the start to the season with all the players we lost.

We have lost one game to Sunderland and we had no squad available.

Yes we are struggling to break low block teams down but eventually it will click just like it did under kompany.

In 22/23 we draw games against Luton, hull, Blackpool, stoke, West Brom, Birmingham and even lost 5-2 away at sheff united before it started to click.

We started our 10 wins in a row in November of that season against Blackburn

Although it took time to click under Kompany, you could see what we were trying to do and how we were going to do it. It isn't as clear to see now and I feel less confident that it will.

[bumba]

Hang on, the players available to him at Fulham and Bournemouth were a definite upgrade on what we have currently.

Is that Parkers or Paces fault?

[Leisure]

Dire !

Should have lost AT HOME to a poor PRESTON BOTH ENDS side

There must be a plan. I just don't see it at present

Should have lost!!!! Get a grip

[Barlickclaret]

Should have lost!!!! Get a grip

Yes should have lost, they scored a perfectly good goal, and we wouldn't have scored playing till next weekend.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Far too defensive. Cannot play one inept striker up top against teams like Preston.

[Vegas Claret]

Should have lost!!!! Get a grip

they had a goal ruled out incorrectly, we didn't score - we should have lost.

[Clovius Boofus]

Yeah, it was dull, and we dropped two points at home. However, there aren't half some pissy knickers on here. You'd think we got hammered and were 3rd from the bottom. Talk about entitled fans.

[Dark Cloud]

Parker was dealt a really crap hand and he's making a very decent fist of things. Having the makings of an excellent championship team sold from under him after the second game was a real pisser, BUT overall we very quickly recruited really well. The really crucial thing is that in amongst all that we didn't address our actual goalscoring threat and that's turning into a real issue.

[Somethingfishy]

I get the sentiment and the positivity but please please please can we stop hiding behind what Kompanys team did? Sick and tired of seeing it now. There is little comparison. In that early season we hadn't fully clicked but you could see the idea and the patterns of play. If anything we were dominating games and being sucker punched and being naive defensively.
It isn't the same as to what is happening at present. That team then clicked and went on a 10 game winning run to kick on. This team whilst looking defensively solid looks nowhere near capable of that.

There is a lot of room for improvement but the ceiling of this team is noticeably lower than that of two years ago.
We will improve..we simply have to with the players we have but i think it is perfectly proportionate to be starting to be worried and frustrated by what we are seeing.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Drawn against a ten men **** poor bastads team and drawn against a team or remolds in knob Enders. There’s no signs that we are ready to get promoted and I doubt any fan with any sense would want this team in the prem getting battered every week. It’s like we are in purgatory

[xxmunkyennuixx]

"Entitled", no it is essentially promotion or nothing. The ownership model comes with major risks. The performances are not showing sufficient promise that we will are capable of gaining promotion. Add to this that most of us sat through the absolute inept **** that was last season. It has to be better and quickly.

[jrgbfc]

Drawn against a ten men **** poor bastads team and drawn against a team or remolds in knob Enders. There’s no signs that we are ready to get promoted and I doubt any fan with any sense would want this team in the prem getting battered every week. It’s like we are in purgatory

I tend to agree but not sure Alan Pace and the money men would. 2 or 3 years outside the Prem and we'd be financially screwed.

[The Shire Claret]

I am and will remain a glass half full fan …. Today wasn’t great but it happens

We do however need to become a bigger goal threat and that means swapping a midfielder for a striker for me.

Wingers coming deep for the ball hinders us too

I’m convinced we will come good but Parker alluded in his interview about sticking with the team and maybe today was the day to get Roberts and Fleming in from the start.

Solid at the back but maybe too solid ?

UTC

[Claret Till I Die]

Give Parker until Christmas if nothing changers then bye bye because its boring

Give over. A minimum for any team looking at promotion is keeping a clean sheet. That's our 5th in 9 games

[Murger]

If Parker is going to persist with Foster, then he must start Flemming.
Personally, I’d drop Brownhill and drop Hannibal back alongside Cullen. And if Cullen doesn’t buck up his ideas, I’d drop him for Laurent.

[Guller Bull]

Exciting times!

[TheFamilyCat]

Yeah, it was dull, and we dropped two points at home. However, there aren't half some pissy knickers on here. You'd think we got hammered and were 3rd from the bottom. Talk about entitled fans.

Connectivity levels are reported to be down.

[Somethingfishy]

If Parker is going to persist with Foster, then he must start Flemming.
Personally, I’d drop Brownhill and drop Hannibal back alongside Cullen. And if Cullen doesn’t buck up his ideas, I’d drop him for Laurent.

Brownhill? The only guy who seems to know where the goal is at present?

Hannibal meanwhile has offered the square root of f*** all so far. He messes around with it and gets robbed in dangerous situations and he regularly gives the ball away.....but yeah drop Brownhill

[Murger]

Brownhill? The only guy who seems to know where the goal is at present?

Hannibal meanwhile has offered the square root of f*** all so far. He messes around with it and gets robbed in dangerous situations and he regularly gives the ball away.....but yeah drop Brownhill

Yeah, drop Brownhill. Hannibal doesn’t look suited for his advanced position. He’d be better suited in a more defensive roll. Brownhill and Cullen just don’t work as a pair.

[Guller Bull]

Playing football the Scott Parker way!

[Dingo]

I don’t think we’re far off from being a really good team. I’m a little taken aback and puzzled by the concern being shown in this thread, though it is nice to have a moan I guess! We’ve had a superb start given the tumultuous first few weeks and being third, only a point off top, is pretty commendable. For me, beating the so-called low block will be necessary is most games this season. I can see our purpose and strategy for that - keeping possession, finding the wide men then moving the back line out of position, but it hasn’t worked too fluidly yet as we’re not getting enough players between the midfield and defensive lines then getting the ball to them quick enough to force defenders out of position. The issue for me is the timing of the movement, that is, Brownhill and Hannibal arriving in those gaps too late or too early, or not at the same time, so it looks static or purposeless. But this is very different to what things were like under Kompany so players just need time for it all to feel natural and instinctive. A back three might help so wing backs can give more width and we can then get more players into the gaps. Counterintuitively, I’d also like Foster to come deeper more to change the dynamic. I feel pretty certain Parker will know what needs doing and with time we’ll get there.

[Leisure]

Give over. A minimum for any team looking at promotion is keeping a clean sheet. That's our 5th in 9 games

And 2 points per game is spot on!

[Somethingfishy]

Yeah, drop Brownhill. Hannibal doesn’t look suited for his advanced position. He’d be better suited in a more defensive roll. Brownhill and Cullen just don’t work as a pair.

In that context..possibly. I totally agree that Hannibal is lost where he is and i agree Cullen and Brownhill don't work. I am far from a Brownhill fan but at present he is the only one of our midfielders that is producing anything even average.
I'd prefer to give Laurent a chance again over Cullen, particularly with two away games coming up and with his added physicality. Flemming in the 10 and then it's a straight decision between Hannibal and Brownhill and as I've said I think Brownhill offers more at present to keep his place.

[Shaggy]

If Parker is going to persist with Foster, then he must start Flemming.
Personally, I’d drop Brownhill and drop Hannibal back alongside Cullen. And if Cullen doesn’t buck up his ideas, I’d drop him for Laurent.

Im almost on the same page, I’d personally try Flemming instead of Foster and put Brownhill in behind him. I’d then play Wither Laurent and Cullen or Laurent and Hannibal as the 2 centre mids.

Also we are missing some threat from the full back area. We miss Vitinho a lot at the moment

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Yeah, drop Brownhill. Hannibal doesn’t look suited for his advanced position. He’d be better suited in a more defensive roll. Brownhill and Cullen just don’t work as a pair.

Agree they don’t work together. Hannibal in front of back 4 and Brownhill at the moment. Cullen has been really poor (maybe not fit) so far and I think he is a very good player at this level.

[bumba]

they had a goal ruled out incorrectly, we didn't score - we should have lost.

We should have had a penalty too though in fairness

[Bfc]

CTID, in the last 6 games, of which 4 have been at home. We have had 15 shots on goal, 5 of those were goals. At that rate, were going to be drawing more games than we win. I can't see us improving on that, with the present style of play, which I think will slowly drive fans away. We supporters want something to come away from a match that made the cost of a trip to the Turf worthwhile. Maybe I've been spoilt by the list of quality Bfc teams I've seen over the years, but the present team is lacking the desire press forward more and prefer to play slow possession football deep in our own half. Maybe if we pressed higher up the pitch, we could increase the number of on goal shots and maybe get more goals from them.

[Leisure]

they had a goal ruled out incorrectly, we didn't score - we should have lost.

Should have, could have but didn't. Such is football!

[Vegas Claret]

We should have had a penalty too though in fairness

no idea how the lino missed that tbh

[Vegas Claret]

Should have, could have but didn't. Such is football!

such is life not just the footy !!

[Somethingfishy]

no idea how the lino missed that tbh

That lino was dreadful. He got their offside wrong, missed the blatant pull for the penalty and there was also a quick free kick we took that got Foster in and he gave offside despite him getting the run on two Preston players. He was inept and that is being kind.

[Clovius Boofus]

Third in the table and someone posts that we should sack SP if things haven't improved by Christmas. This is the peak levels of entitlement. I'd go and hide in a wheelie bin for a month if I posted something so utterly ridiculous.

[helmclaret]

Steve Thompson made a good point on Radio Lancs after the game on Tuesday. We don’t get enough runners in the box when we are attacking. It was evident again today. That’s why Foster ends up knocking it back to the centre half’s. No one ever runs past Foster.

[TPClaret]

Third in the table and someone posts that we should sack SP if things haven't improved by Christmas. This is the peak levels of entitlement. I'd go and hide in a wheelie bin for a month if I posted something so utterly ridiculous.

Probably sane muppets who wanted to sack Dyche after we lost 3 nil at Hull on Boxing Day

[blatherwickstattoos]

I don’t think we’re far off from being a really good team. I’m a little taken aback and puzzled by the concern being shown in this thread, though it is nice to have a moan I guess! We’ve had a superb start given the tumultuous first few weeks and being third, only a point off top, is pretty commendable. For me, beating the so-called low block will be necessary is most games this season. I can see our purpose and strategy for that - keeping possession, finding the wide men then moving the back line out of position, but it hasn’t worked too fluidly yet as we’re not getting enough players between the midfield and defensive lines then getting the ball to them quick enough to force defenders out of position. The issue for me is the timing of the movement, that is, Brownhill and Hannibal arriving in those gaps too late or too early, or not at the same time, so it looks static or purposeless. But this is very different to what things were like under Kompany so players just need time for it all to feel natural and instinctive. A back three might help so wing backs can give more width and we can then get more players into the gaps. Counterintuitively, I’d also like Foster to come deeper more to change the dynamic. I feel pretty certain Parker will know what needs doing and with time we’ll get there.

We are a fair way off being a good team. We are lucky this league is terrible.

[123EasyasBFC]

Although it took time to click under Kompany, you could see what we were trying to do and how we were going to do it. It isn't as clear to see now and I feel less confident that it will.

I think it’s clear what we are trying to do but it’s not working, we are trying to overload the wide areas and if there’s no gap down the right we try and shift it to the left.

The lack of a quality number 10 means we can’t really play centrally.

One thing we can’t forgot is we have only conceded 4 goals in 9 games, the first choice back 4 has played one game together rovers at home after one training session. There are 100% foundations to build on once flemming is fully fit in regards to the attacking part of the game

[Clovius Boofus]

Probably sane muppets who wanted to sack Dyche after we lost 3 nil at Hull on Boxing Day

Yeah, I remember that embarrassment well, and it wasn't only a few posters either.

[123EasyasBFC]

Drawn against a ten men **** poor bastads team and drawn against a team or remolds in knob Enders. There’s no signs that we are ready to get promoted and I doubt any fan with any sense would want this team in the prem getting battered every week. It’s like we are in purgatory

There’s no way this would be the team if we got promoted, it would be another freshly built squad

[Alan Young]

Landing on Cullen/Brownhill as the problem is some stretch. They seemed to do ok a couple of seasons ago. Hannibal offers little in possession and I hope Parker is brave enough to drop him for Flemming once he’s fully fit.

[dvalley69]

If we somehow do go up then there's only Esteve and Roberts who I'd consider keeping for the Prem. The rest are nowhere near it.

[Leisure]

I think it’s clear what we are trying to do but it’s not working, we are trying to overload the wide areas and if there’s no gap down the right we try and shift it to the left.

The lack of a quality number 10 means we can’t really play centrally.

One thing we can’t forgot is we have only conceded 4 goals in 9 games, the first choice back 4 has played one game together rovers at home after one training session. There are 100% foundations to build on once flemming is fully fit in regards to the attacking part of the game

Steady on, we can't have any positivity on here!

[Leisure]

If we somehow do go up then there's only Esteve and Roberts who I'd consider keeping for the Prem. The rest are nowhere near it.

You don't say!

[123EasyasBFC]

Steady on, we can't have any positivity on here!

Certainly last 4 games performance wise haven’t been great but if in July I got offered 18 points from 9 games and only conceding 4 I would of snapped anyone’s hands off

[Leisure]

Certainly last 4 games performance wise haven’t been great but if in July I got offered 18 points from 9 games and only conceding 4 I would of snapped anyone’s hands off

Again, too much positivity!

[NL Claret]

We are a fair way off being a good team. We are lucky this league is terrible.

Can I ask? Why is this league terrible?

[Barlickclaret]

Can I ask? Why is this league terrible?

What he should have said is this league is terrible compared to the Premier league, if we played like we have so far we would almost certainly have had alot less points in prem.

[RVclaret]

We are a fair way off being a good team. We are lucky this league is terrible.

I don’t think we are. The foundation, solid defensive structure, work rate and togetherness is there. 3 clean sheets in a row, 5 in 9. What’s not there is the ability to consistently put together a full 90 minutes of what we saw 1st half against Plymouth. We know the team is capable of it, cause they did it - it wasn’t there today, which was more second half Plymouth. Flemming and Tresor hopefully fit in 2 weeks and will add missing quality. I’d argue the standard is slightly higher than it was in the last season we were here - promoted teams look better and Leeds are better than Sheff Utd were. Apart from Cardiff second half we’re yet to face a team that’s looked unorganised, imo.

[Blue Skies]

Not buying their disallowed goal argument. Flag was up straight away whether right or wrong, our defence spotted it as did everyone around me. Yes he put it in but Trafford was diving for the cameras. As for the second half pen you will not see a more blatant one although lino missed it. VAR would have given it like the Tarky one tonight. Not that I want VAR but we need some perspective. Yes no goal threat but similarly do not look like conceding. Something to build on.

[Elizabeth]

It’s football it happens, the same team that drew all the games at the beginning of the 22/23 season and lost to sheff united 5-2 then went on to win 10 in a row.

Didn’t realise we had become a fanbase to write a manager and players off after 9 games in which we have only lost 1

What makes you so sure people saying we were really poor are writing the manager and players off?
If you are going to continue comparing this season to the Kompany one I think you are going to hit a wall at some stage.