RATE THE REF - Gavin Ward v Preston North End

[jdrobbo]

GAVIN WARD (Surrey) v Preston North End


HOW TO SCORE

A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) - out of 25
B. Consistency - out of 25
C. Fitness and Positioning - of 25
D. Control and Authority - out of 25





Please only Rate the Ref if you attended the game and only do so, after the game has ended. Thank you

[jdrobbo]

A 7
B 6
C 8
D 5

[DAVETHEVICAR]

As Hinchcliffe said on TV the players of both sides didn’t help with the continual fighting and shoving throughout the second half instead of trying to play and win the game

[MG70]

B and D non existant.

[Milltown1882]

4 across the board. No game control at all.

A 4
B 4
C 4
D 4

[Bordeauxclaret]

How do they keep getting worse?

[MeeActon1]

3
3
12
3

Ignored numerous fouls for both teams but God forbid the ball was a foot away from where he wanted the free kick taken from.

Trying to blame the players for his performance is ridiculous, he is the arbiter of the match, it is his responsibility to maintain control, that’s why he has those bright coloured cards in his pocket and his shiny whistle. If he doesn’t have the balls to do this then he should not be doing the job. Players will take the **** - If they are allowed too.

[Rowls]

Some good, some bad. He clearly lost control but my verdict today is that the players -each and every single one of them- did their utmost to make themselves ungovernable. Had the players played in a spirit of co-operation and carried themselves with proper sporting conduct, this referee might have had a good game.

We needed a stronger referee today but witnessed the worst side of professional football culture. It's shameful TBH.

A. 15
B. 18
C. 12
D. 10

[Beagleheart]

13
11
14
5

The players behaved like idiots, I suspect, because they sussed the referee out early on. Chalk and cheese compared to the Plymouth game.

[Luppy]

He lost the game early doors.

A - 5
B - 5
C - 7
D - 3

A shocker

[Goody1975]

As Hinchcliffe said on TV the players of both sides didn’t help with the continual fighting and shoving throughout the second half instead of trying to play and win the game

Hinchcliffe is a clown though, he commentates like he was Maldini in his prime and never made a mistake.

The facts are that Ward lost control very early and was like a newly qualified teacher in a secondary school classroom, the players sense when there is no authority and act accordingly.

I saw Preston players going down to break up the game and it's rhythm on Wednesday, it was a textbook performance in that regard, but that is where the referee needs to be strong, he is weak, wet and soft.

He should return to running the line, this game was far too big for him.

[Bosscat]

3
3
12
3

Lost control and never got it back ... Worst we have seen for a while in a sea of sh*t refs

[beeholeclaret]

5
5
10
5


What the heck was that all about?

To think we paid to watch that show. The game is totally spoilt by cheats and all the players are responsible. Diving, rolling, time wasting. A slight kick in the leg and they are down holding their heads.

[whiffa]

Big derby game, expected tomfoolery - needed someone at the helm to take charge. That didn't happen today. Can't rate as wasn't at the game, but allowed far too much timewasting and feigning injury.

[quoonbeatz]

Quite why these people are happy to go to work and have the people they’re supposed to be in charge of take the pi$$ out of them so openly, I’ll never understand.

Zero control, zero authority.

You can bleat all you want about players being the problem; you’re wrong. The officials can stamp out all that crap really easily and really quickly but they don’t have the self respect to do it, so they can’t complain they don’t get respect from players, mangers or fans.

He told their keeper to stop time wasting 5 times before booking him. Why? Just do it once then book him.

The worst one was their winger who didn’t get a free kick or corner because he kicked the ball out and wasn’t fouled. So he then pretended to be injured. The ref came over and told him to either get off the pitch for treatment or he’d get the trainer on so he’s have to go off anyway. So the lad gets up and runs back because there’s nothing wrong with him. Ref has to be booking him for that but he’s far too weak for this job.

Nobody has a problem with them getting decisions wrong but having authority and controlling a game are the basics, the easiest bit so if they can’t do that, they shouldn’t be reffing.

[Roosterbooster]

He told their keeper to stop time wasting 5 times before booking him. Why? Just do it once then book him.

Why does he have to tell them once before booking them?
The keeper knows what he's doing. The rules are the rules. If the refs showed some guts amd just applied the laws of the game from minute 1 then the players wouldn't act like children and we'd actually get a game of football to watch

[pushpinpussy]

I was on the game today and I have never rated a ref before. But all I can say is that he is in the wrong job. he made the game today what it was because of how he reffed it. If he would have stamped his authority from the first minute when their keeper started wasting time the it could have been different. Players then knew they could get away with things. I’ve never been on a game before where players have gone down so much and fooled this weak ref then got up and sprinted off but he was still getting fooled up until the 90th minute. He fell for every one hook line and sinker. God help us if we have to witness cretins like him again.

[evensteadiereddie]

I'm not going to rate this bloke-suffice to say it's a long time since I've seen a ref(and his assistants) lose control of a game.
They were a laughing stock and their early weakness caused it.

[IanMcL]

Appalling. His non decisions led to the pitch antics.

[quoonbeatz]

Why does he have to tell them once before booking them?
The keeper knows what he's doing. The rules are the rules. If the refs showed some guts amd just applied the laws of the game from minute 1 then the players wouldn't act like children and we'd actually get a game of football to watch

I think it’s fair enough to give them a warning, same as you’d do for a foul. It’s better for a ref to set a tone but not be OTT about. First time it happens say look, cut it out or next time it’s a yellow then if they test you again, out with the card. Letting it go after you’ve told them once is just weak.

[BurnleyFC]

This clown would be more at home in a circus than on a football field.

[dougcollins]

As Hinchcliffe said on TV the players of both sides didn’t help with the continual fighting and shoving throughout the second half instead of trying to play and win the game

Exactly the game that PNE wanted so they certainly won that one.

[RVclaret]

He’s an absolute shocker of a ref, always has been. Can’t believe he’s still at this level.

[Bordeauxclaret]

As pointed out he warned him five times before booking him, he was also down injured for about 3 minutes.

Yet two mins added time.

[Tricky Trevor]

Can't rate but he was awful. How the lad didn’t get sent off for the boot to Cullens face I’ll never know. It was impossible to see if he made contact but his lower leg was off the ground and he didn’t play the ball. That has to be endangering an opponent.

Modern football is shocking with stoppages. Head injuries I can live with although most of them are play acting but there is absolutely no necessity to stop the game for cramp or any other leg injuries. 99.9% are not life threatening, in fact I can’t remember any incident of a player dying from a leg injury.

[Sozturf7]

He would give Hartley a run for his money, that's really saying something.

[nil_desperandum]

Quite why these people are happy to go to work and have the people they’re supposed to be in charge of take the pi$$ out of them so openly, I’ll never understand.

Zero control, zero authority.

You can bleat all you want about players being the problem; you’re wrong. The officials can stamp out all that crap really easily and really quickly but they don’t have the self respect to do it, so they can’t complain they don’t get respect from players, mangers or fans.

He told their keeper to stop time wasting 5 times before booking him. Why? Just do it once then book him.

The worst one was their winger who didn’t get a free kick or corner because he kicked the ball out and wasn’t fouled. So he then pretended to be injured. The ref came over and told him to either get off the pitch for treatment or he’d get the trainer on so he’s have to go off anyway. So the lad gets up and runs back because there’s nothing wrong with him. Ref has to be booking him for that but he’s far too weak for this job.

Nobody has a problem with them getting decisions wrong but having authority and controlling a game are the basics, the easiest bit so if they can’t do that, they shouldn’t be reffing.

Thank you for taking the time to post this. It's exactly what I came on here to type, so you've saved me time.
He was entirely responsible for the indiscipline in the 2nd half because he failed to clampdown on time-wasting and the "dark arts" from the 2nd minute when he allowed their keeper to take the ****.

[ClaretTony]

A 6
B 6
C 9
D 4

Missed a clear yellow early in the game, hesitated far too long with the time wasting and then completely lost control in the second half. Dreadful performance.

[ClaretTony]

Quite why these people are happy to go to work and have the people they’re supposed to be in charge of take the pi$$ out of them so openly, I’ll never understand.

Zero control, zero authority.

You can bleat all you want about players being the problem; you’re wrong. The officials can stamp out all that crap really easily and really quickly but they don’t have the self respect to do it, so they can’t complain they don’t get respect from players, mangers or fans.

He told their keeper to stop time wasting 5 times before booking him. Why? Just do it once then book him.

The worst one was their winger who didn’t get a free kick or corner because he kicked the ball out and wasn’t fouled. So he then pretended to be injured. The ref came over and told him to either get off the pitch for treatment or he’d get the trainer on so he’s have to go off anyway. So the lad gets up and runs back because there’s nothing wrong with him. Ref has to be booking him for that but he’s far too weak for this job.

Nobody has a problem with them getting decisions wrong but having authority and controlling a game are the basics, the easiest bit so if they can’t do that, they shouldn’t be reffing.

Absoluter spot on quoon

[bobinho]

Some good, some bad. He clearly lost control but my verdict today is that the players -each and every single one of them- did their utmost to make themselves ungovernable. Had the players played in a spirit of co-operation and carried themselves with proper sporting conduct, this referee might have had a good game.

We needed a stronger referee today but witnessed the worst side of professional football culture. It's shameful TBH.

A. 15
B. 18
C. 12
D. 10

********.

Take ten points off each of those scores and (apart from fitness- he was in reasonable shape so can’t blame that for his ineptitude) you will be doing the guy a huge favour.

5
5
12
3

The melees we witnessed were only a result of his inability to read the moment and the game. He created the mess due to his incompetence. Very very poor.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

He was more inept than our performance.

[Dark Cloud]

He was extremely poor. I honestly don't think it's entirely his fault because he might have reasonably expected Preston to play "properly" until at least into the second half, but they didn't. They took the P from 1 minute 30 seconds with the long winded goal kick and I was amazed there weren't more yellow cards and at least one red because it looked tied on tbf. The ref was really weak, Preston realised it early and they basically played him for the entire game.

[bfcmik]

A 5
B 3
C 14
D 4

I thought the Portsmouth ref was bad - but this guy made a new lower tier all for himself!

[nonayclaret]

5
5
15
3

[Vino blanco]

He was a very, very poor ref, but he had nothing to do with our clueless performance.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

3
3
10
3

Awful, stealing a living as a referee. Would not trust him refereeing a kids match, he would lose control.

[Aclaret]

No comment till I've sobered up.

[Juan Tanamera]

4
4
10
4
How long was it since this fool last reffed at Turf Moor, 10 years was it?
Another 10 years will do just fine.

[BigGaz]

Some good, some bad. He clearly lost control but my verdict today is that the players -each and every single one of them- did their utmost to make themselves ungovernable. Had the players played in a spirit of co-operation and carried themselves with proper sporting conduct, this referee might have had a good game.

We needed a stronger referee today but witnessed the worst side of professional football culture. It's shameful TBH.

A. 15
B. 18
C. 12
D. 10

I am with you as regards the players and their attitudes. They are professionals, and that should cover how they approach these events but they do not. It does not make the referees job any easier.

With that being said, the ungovernable stuff i cannot accept. This whole refereeing by consent, "a duty to let the game flow", on first name terms with the players, referee/club liaison nonsense is a modern concept, it's a British/PL facilitated concept and it's why our once envied cadre of officials are no longer considered the elite and are struggling to make the grade at international level rather than being the first names jotted down.

5 games. Maybe not even that, maybe even three games maximum Is all it takes.

Dissent to the ref? Red card. Swarming the ref? Red card. Repeat and persistent offending? Yellow then red. First time the keeper noticeably takes the **** with time wasting? Yellow then the next time, red.

You would quickly see just how governable everyone becomes. Do that, and stick to it. You often see at the start of every season that they're gonna clamp down on such and such, they do and then shortly after it's forgotten about.

This concept where people say "the referee was great, he let the game flow". That's a learned concept that comes with many years of experience. That's after you've earn your stripes and you know what you are doing. It should not be a starting point to the whims and graces of middle of the road, novice referees. The starting point should be that they blow up for absolutely everything and everything and it should not be out of the ordinary that games finish with 7/8/9+ cards and clubs are getting fined.

Refs are hated on at the moment for being too soft in general rather than being hated for being absolute bastards. Get back to that, establish that as the baseline and then go from there.

[Blue Skies]

Not so sure he is worth rating, but I believe there is a bigger issue at play here. There would have been an assessor there today who would have closed ranks and said "well done mate both teams were childish blah blah" and from there awards him 8s etc.For some reason the powers that be will not put forward the Rugby style clock timings. This would surely eradicate a lot of this time wasting. I watch the clock today and from 68 minutes to about 78 minutes the ball was in play for less than 3 minutes. The players/managers are now running the timings of the game unfortunately. There are stats on how many minutes the ball is in play and we are lucky if it is near 60.

[Rowls]

I am with you as regards the players and their attitudes. They are professionals, and that should cover how they approach these events but they do not. It does not make the referees job any easier.

With that being said, the ungovernable stuff i cannot accept. This whole refereeing by consent, "a duty to let the game flow", on first name terms with the players, referee/club liaison nonsense is a modern concept, it's a British/PL facilitated concept and it's why our once envied cadre of officials are no longer considered the elite and are struggling to make the grade at international level rather than being the first names jotted down.

5 games. Maybe not even that, maybe even three games maximum Is all it takes.

Dissent to the ref? Red card. Swarming the ref? Red card. Repeat and persistent offending? Yellow then red. First time the keeper noticeably takes the **** with time wasting? Yellow then the next time, red.

You would quickly see just how governable everyone becomes. Do that, and stick to it. You often see at the start of every season that they're gonna clamp down on such and such, they do and then shortly after it's forgotten about.

This concept where people say "the referee was great, he let the game flow". That's a learned concept that comes with many years of experience. That's after you've earn your stripes and you know what you are doing. It should not be a starting point to the whims and graces of middle of the road, novice referees. The starting point should be that they blow up for absolutely everything and everything and it should not be out of the ordinary that games finish with 7/8/9+ cards and clubs are getting fined.

Refs are hated on at the moment for being too soft in general rather than being hated for being absolute bastards. Get back to that, establish that as the baseline and then go from there.

Strong agree with nearly everything you've written here.

Refereeing "by consent" needs to be thrown in the dustbin. It is a cowardly and wrong way to approach the game and it leads directly to the players puppeteering the referee.

When I say the players "were ungovernable" it's because of the mess you describe above. It isn't that authority cannot be restored, it's that nobody in the game has the backbone and wherewithal to do so.

[Aclaret]

We all saw the nob end keeper was killing time very early on.
My question is , has a keeper ever had 2 yellow cards for time wasting.... would the ref have the balls to do it.
Once a keeper gets a yellow for time wasting it seems like he can just carry on doing the same.

[Lu-tze]

He obviously was trying to let things go and ‘let the game flow’ but was so far off being competent enough to do that….also not sure that’s the best strategy in a local derby anyway.
Just came across as not wanting to make any decisions which might have been fine had we been playing a team that wasn’t as up for it and not as willing to engage in the ‘dark arts’ as they were, but being as that wasn’t the case it was obvious it was going to get fractious and I was amazed it stayed 11v11.
All the aggro that ensued in the 2nd half was all of his own doing.

[Burnleyareback2]

We all saw the nob end keeper was killing time very early on.
My question is , has a keeper ever had 2 yellow cards for time wasting.... would the ref have the balls to do it.
Once a keeper gets a yellow for time wasting it seems like he can just carry on doing the same.

It was the 5th time that he spoke to the keeper when he booked him.

After that he didn’t even look at the keeper when he was wasting time so he didn’t have to give him a second.

He was absolute dog s**t, but he had nothing to do with our negative set up. I was actually pleased he kept 11 on the pitch for Preston as I think they would have won it with 10.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Ok, he ruined the game through incompetence, but I still wouldn’t swap it for VAR.

I wouldn't swap it either, but it is definitely the closest I have been to missing VAR!

[MT03ALG]

3
3
3
3
He wasn't aware what he was doing

[MrTopTier]

5
5
5
5

You know it’s a bad ref, when both sets of fans are singing “ you don’t know what you’re doing “

Even managed to get the kick off wrong!
Liners were bobbins as well.

[wilks_bfc]

I’m not scoring as I’ve never done so before but that was the worse set of officials in a long time

You could see from first minute what PNE wanted to do with the goal kicks and they were allowed to get away with it.

How the assistant on the Longside thought that was offside for them or missed the pull back on Anthony is a mystery

And how Brady didn’t get booked for shove on Roberts is anyone’s guess. It wasn’t even a subtle nudge it was both hands full in the back

[Claretincraven]

I've left it until today to see if it was just my frustration at watching such a poor game. It hasn't worked.
3
3
3
3
A shockingly poor display, up there with the worst.

[vinrogue]

I don't often post a score for this but yesterdays outstanding performance has prompted me into offering a score

A. Decision Making (including use of advantage) 3 out of 25 I offer the numerous free kicks he meddled with etc etc
B. Consistency - 4 out of 25 I wanted to give him 25 as he was consistently abject but I understood the question
C. Fitness and Positioning - 6 out of 25
D. Control and Authority - 4 out of 25

I confess I swore out loud at him from North Stand Upper and God today forgave me, which has to be my justification.