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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:31 pm

And then we equalise

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:32 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:28 pm
Pickford has been abysmal tonight.

This.

Also most if the side - Alexander-Arnold, Saka, Foden, Gordon, Palmer, Bellingham.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:33 pm

Haha that aged!!!! He's been poor though

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:33 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 8:58 pm
Guardiola is considered a genius for bringing it to England but they don’t play it in Spain or Germany. They are both a much better watch than PL.

I wish Guardiola would take it back out of England.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:38 pm

2-1 Greece

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:39 pm

Deserve it.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:40 pm

Dreadful defending, dreadful performance.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:40 pm

At least the result means that Carsley won't get the job.

gsyclaret · Post by **gsyclaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:42 pm

Should have watched the darts

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:43 pm

What the hell were we doing at the back for their second?

England look worse at the back than Burnley under Kompany

And created less than we are doing at the moment

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:44 pm

Utter shambles. Play 2 defenders what do you expect?

TsarBomba · Post by **TsarBomba** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:44 pm

Fully deserved win for Greece. They were excellent.

Caballo · Post by **Caballo** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:44 pm

Thankfully that should bring an end to Carsleys reign. Is there any possibility that we can employ someone that atleast gives the impression they have some ambition.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:45 pm

Agreed. They played us well and got it spot on. Plus they really committed physically to the challenge. Our lot just ponce about falling over or running into blind alleys.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:46 pm

Greece were excellent value ...
England were awful at times ... wasting chances, misplaced passing ...

Hey ho enjoyed my beer though

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:46 pm

Stones, another one who is good at taking the ball out of defence but very poor at defending. A level below the likes of Terry & Ferdinand.

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:48 pm

Unfortunately we have to put up with 3 more games of it before the FA’s crack recruitment team surge back into action.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:48 pm

When your manager turns up looking like he's just been barred from 't Big Window

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:51 pm

Caballo wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:44 pm
Thankfully that should bring an end to Carsleys reign. Is there any possibility that we can employ someone that atleast gives the impression they have some ambition.

I’m struggling to think of a less charismatic person for the role.

He’s like a synth.

ISpeds00 · Post by **ISpeds00** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:52 pm

International football involving England is never going to be any better than absolute W A N K

CaptainKirk · Post by **CaptainKirk** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:52 pm

So, sat through that in a bar of one third Brits, one third Germans and one third Greeks.
Sodding nightmare.
So, we spent decades being crap and sometimes not even qualifying for tournaments, then Southgate takes us to TWO FINALS, which is not good enough for the keyboard experts on here, so now we are back to being crap again.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:54 pm

Well that was fun to watch.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:54 pm

God. Both goals are utter utter shite defensively. Schoolboy (infant schoolboy) stuff

Mark the Claret · Post by **Mark the Claret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:56 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:51 pm
I’m struggling to think of a less charismatic person for the role.

He’s like a synth.

You just know Eddie Howe is the next boring safe choice.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:57 pm

The greek lads wanted to play for their country and have some pride.

Our lot don't give a toss and pride is non existent.

Fancy dans worshipping their bank balance.

Sick of it all.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:05 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:21 pm
England U21
W 14
D 1
L 1

Most importantly, no hint of a scandal, bribes, ribald jokes or, anything else that might upset his bosses social standing.
This will probably get him the job.

Of course it will. It is, after all, exactly what got Southgate the job.

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:19 pm

Carsley can't have a shave (apart from his head) and wears a chav hood! Not peofessional.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 10:30 pm

That level of experiment suggests either of two outcomes:
He's either got the job and knows hes safe, or he hasn't got the job and has just fooked the England set-up for a laugh.

Poulton-le-Claret · Post by **Poulton-le-Claret** » Thu Oct 10, 2024 11:32 pm

The FA will be gutted that they can't just appoint him and point to positive results under his caretaker stint. Wonder what crap they will come out with when he still gets the job

BigGaz · Post by **BigGaz** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:36 am

It was a poor performance, sure, but he's watched the last year or so of Southgate's tenure and all of this summer hearing the clamour to get more of our attacking talent on the pitch and to get them firing together.

He's tried that, it hasn't come off and he's shown a good number of people that it's not as simple as just blasting all of your attacking threat on the pitch and watching the goals pile high.

Now in this same thread people are annoyed that it'll be a 'safe' option like Nice guy Eddie and decrying him trying to shake it up after moaning for 10 years under Southgate that it needed a shake up

I liked that he's trying different things other than just worshipping at the altar of 4-2-3-1 and swapping out like for like as a tactical change. Id be giving him up to the end of the next major tournament personally but it's that same clamour that will now see any prospect of that off.

There is no bigger disparity in football between 'what England fans/press think they deserve and are capable of' and 'the reality of the situation'.

LincsWoldsClaret · Post by **LincsWoldsClaret** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:41 am

Things in Carsleys’s favour -

Harmless, won’t rock the boat
Has the job at the moment
Won a trophy at U21 level
Will continue with the FA’s gateway nonsense

Against -

He’s Irish
Uninspiring choice so difficult to spin positively
Solid record of underachievement
Hugely inexperienced

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:31 am

BigGaz wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:36 am

He's tried that, it hasn't come off and he's shown a good number of people that it's not as simple as just blasting all of your attacking threat on the pitch and watching the goals pile high.

Here be the lesson - don't pander to idiots.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:37 am

What a breath of fresh air from the turgid Safegate football.

Clovius Boofus · Post by **Clovius Boofus** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 8:47 am

Yeah, give him a 10-year contract.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:17 am

I’m not so sure the result or performance would’ve been any better under Southgate, to be honest.

bumba · Post by **bumba** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:29 am

It's not difficult to select an England team, other countries manage it fine leaving top players out just rotate them.
Not sure why we have to fit Foden in he's been terrible for England.
Why does Bellingham need playing so far forward? His goal yesterday came when he played deeper, play him alongside Rice.
Palmer in the 10.
Saka right.
Gordon, Madueke, Barnes, Sancho, Rashford, Foden probably missed some but take your pick for the left wing.
Kane or Watkins up top.

I'd seriously consider Dan Burn to play left back, let Trent get forward and push in to midfield when attacking and that'd still leave Burn to come inside to form 3 centre backs to defend.

Jacko · Post by **Jacko** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:10 am

bumba wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:29 am
It's not difficult to select an England team, other countries manage it fine leaving top players out just rotate them.
Not sure why we have to fit Foden in he's been terrible for England.
Why does Bellingham need playing so far forward? His goal yesterday came when he played deeper, play him alongside Rice.
Palmer in the 10.
Saka right.
Gordon, Madueke, Barnes, Sancho, Rashford, Foden probably missed some but take your pick for the left wing.
Kane or Watkins up top.

I'd seriously consider Dan Burn to play left back, let Trent get forward and push in to midfield when attacking and that'd still leave Burn to come inside to form 3 centre backs to defend.

At the risk of over simplifying, maybe it is just this simple: pick the right team, not who you think are the best 11 players (which is another story: objectively, some of the players in that side don't deserve to be in there based on performance). Picking a balanced defence who can defend would be a start; can't recall the last time and England manager did that.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:43 am

I rarely get beyond #1 when checking the team sheet. How on earth can Pope not get a start in that team. Baffling.

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:15 am

LincsWoldsClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:41 am
Things in Carsleys’s favour -

Harmless, won’t rock the boat
Has the job at the moment
Won a trophy at U21 level
Will continue with the FA’s gateway nonsense

Against -

He’s Irish
Uninspiring choice so difficult to spin positively
Solid record of underachievement
Hugely inexperienced

He's only as Irish as Josh Cullen

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:47 am

Dark Cloud wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:43 am
I rarely get beyond #1 when checking the team sheet. How on earth can Pope not get a start in that team. Baffling.

Because his kicking is still shocking and hasn’t improved.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:28 am

Carsley appeared to think we would win if you just play all your 'best' players, but don't actually employ any tactics.

I mean, you don't need to with those players on the pitch.

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 9:35 am

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:40 pm
At least the result means that Carsley won't get the job.

Really? I wouldn’t be too sure…

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:12 am

BigGaz wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:36 am
It was a poor performance, sure, but he's watched the last year or so of Southgate's tenure and all of this summer hearing the clamour to get more of our attacking talent on the pitch and to get them firing together.

He's tried that, it hasn't come off and he's shown a good number of people that it's not as simple as just blasting all of your attacking threat on the pitch and watching the goals pile high.

Now in this same thread people are annoyed that it'll be a 'safe' option like Nice guy Eddie and decrying him trying to shake it up after moaning for 10 years under Southgate that it needed a shake up

I liked that he's trying different things other than just worshipping at the altar of 4-2-3-1 and swapping out like for like as a tactical change. Id be giving him up to the end of the next major tournament personally but it's that same clamour that will now see any prospect of that off.

There is no bigger disparity in football between 'what England fans/press think they deserve and are capable of' and 'the reality of the situation'.

Perhaps one of the reason it failed is because centre forwards are sometimes considered to be "attacking talent".

If we have several really good centre forwards (and I think we do), then perhaps playing 2 of them might result in more goals than playing 0. Even playing 1 up front, as proved in the Euros, is inefficient as far as goalscoring goes.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 10:14 am

Spijed wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 10, 2024 9:46 pm
Stones, another one who is good at taking the ball out of defence but very poor at defending. A level below the likes of Terry & Ferdinand.

I agree about Stones. For both the goals, he could be seen getting his body well out of the way of the ball with his leg at full stretch so his foot might just block the shot.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Sat Oct 12, 2024 1:36 pm

beddie wrote: ↑
Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:47 am
Because his kicking is still shocking and hasn’t improved.