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[AGENT_CLARET]

We haven't gelled yet, it's a team that's been put together at the last minute and don't know each other, this team had no preseason, this team has some of it's better players still out with injuries, we're a team with little options upfront, yet even with all this we sit second in the league to the only team that's beat us so far and that was because we sold around 16 player's just before we played them and had a bench full of kids.

Yes at times it's boring to watch and I've even called Parker and the team for this but 2nd in the league with much much more to come from this team is unbelievable

[Hbclaret007]

Our goals at Wednesday came from balls over the top and last night's came when we got in behind them. We need to do more of this instead of passing it around the edge of our opponents area. Teams set up 2 rows of 4 and can defend this pretty easily. We don't have the passing and movement to break this down.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

Interesting comments on how dull it is to watch but I find that watching the majority of other games these days when on tv.

[daveisaclaret]

It is generally pretty dull to watch but it's working by any sensible measure. Parker's method is tried and tested and as long as our attacking players remain up to the challenge we're going to have another automatic promotion.

[CoolClaret]

I must have missed it when we were sat in 2nd after playing 11 games under SC.

12-15 games to properly judge any new manager, and given the context/circumstances at the start of this year for SP I think that can be extended to 14-17 or so.

We're 2nd, clearly not firing on all cylinders but are hard to beat (crucial for promotion) and still have players to return.

Give it bloody time.

[Big Vinny K]

Pathetic thread with zero context as to the mess VK has left the club in.
Everybody agrees that his first season was one of the best we have all witnessed.
But last year was definitely one of the worst - irrespective of the division we were in and referencing back to the times we were in the bottom divisions. Purely as a fan turning up and having to watch every week last season was every bit as bad.

Brings in to question whether that first season under VK was worth it for the mess we have been left in now.

We aren’t playing great this season and some of the tactics and selections are confusing - like Laurent not starting or keeping the same side for hull as we played against Sheff Wed. But we do not know the fitness and injuries players are carrying and we are facing a lot of games this next month.

The main thing is it’s early days and SP needs to be given time. To be where we are in the league is a big positive. For those who are bored and constantly criticising I’d say following Burnley in the next few years is probably not for you.

[She]

Parker's method is tried and tested and as long as our attacking players remain up to the challenge we're going to have another automatic promotion.

I wouldn't bet on that

[TsarBomba]

Pathetic thread with zero context as to the mess VK has left the club in.
Everybody agrees that his first season was one of the best we have all witnessed.
But last year was definitely one of the worst - irrespective of the division we were in and referencing back to the times we were in the bottom divisions. Purely as a fan turning up and having to watch every week last season was every bit as bad.

Brings in to question whether that first season under VK was worth it for the mess we have been left in now.

We aren’t playing great this season and some of the tactics and selections are confusing - like Laurent not starting or keeping the same side for hull as we played against Sheff Wed. But we do not know the fitness and injuries players are carrying and we are facing a lot of games this next month.

The main thing is it’s early days and SP needs to be given time. To be where we are in the league is a big positive. For those who are bored and constantly criticising I’d say following Burnley in the next few years is probably not for you.

Good post. Relegation and the chaotic summer transfer window have left us in a worse position than we were in 2 years ago.

[Poulton-le-Claret]

Pathetic thread with zero context as to the mess VK has left the club in.
Everybody agrees that his first season was one of the best we have all witnessed.
But last year was definitely one of the worst - irrespective of the division we were in and referencing back to the times we were in the bottom divisions. Purely as a fan turning up and having to watch every week last season was every bit as bad.

Brings in to question whether that first season under VK was worth it for the mess we have been left in now.

We aren’t playing great this season and some of the tactics and selections are confusing - like Laurent not starting or keeping the same side for hull as we played against Sheff Wed. But we do not know the fitness and injuries players are carrying and we are facing a lot of games this next month.

The main thing is it’s early days and SP needs to be given time. To be where we are in the league is a big positive. For those who are bored and constantly criticising I’d say following Burnley in the next few years is probably not for you.

Sounds like you need to request a username change

[Marney&Mee]

I must have missed it when we were sat in 2nd after playing 11 games under SC.

12-15 games to properly judge any new manager, and given the context/circumstances at the start of this year for SP I think that can be extended to 14-17 or so.

We're 2nd, clearly not firing on all cylinders but are hard to beat (crucial for promotion) and still have players to return.

Give it bloody time.

Agreed. Only in second gear and Sat 2nd in the table. Cmon guys and girls…we’ll be just fine!

[Big Vinny K]

Sounds like you need to request a username change

I just news to choose one of the following to insert between Big and Vinny

Spending
Loser
Tit
Time Charlie
On swearing small on tactics
Icelandic hater

Soooo many choices

[claretonthecoast1882]

I just news to choose one of the following to insert between Big and Vinny

Spending
Loser
Tit
Time Charlie
On swearing small on tactics
Icelandic hater

Soooo many choices

Big Soooo many choices Vinny K it is then

[GetIntoEm]

Serious question.

Would people rather we attempt play fast flowing, gung-ho football and not pick up as many results

Or

What we are seeing now, strong defensively, deliberately cagey football but be on course for automatic promotion?

You can't pick both

[RVclaret]

Serious question.

Would people rather we attempt play fast flowing, gung-ho football and not pick up as many results

Or

What we are seeing now, strong defensively, deliberately cagey football but be on course for automatic promotion?

You can't pick both

There’s a balance to be had right? I think it’s fair to point out the strength of our team, despite injuries, should be at least creating more and better chances than we have been doing (in general). We are currently in the bottom 4 in the league for xG created - not good. This really could do with improving as yes, like you say, there’s a really solid foundation to build on, with what has been a pretty young back 5.

[GetIntoEm]

There’s a balance to be had right? I think it’s fair to point out the strength of our team, despite injuries, should be at least creating more and better chances than we have been doing (in general). We are currently in the bottom 4 in the league for xG created - not good. This really could do with improving as yes, like you say, there’s a really solid foundation to build on, with what has been a pretty young back 5.

Ultimately, promotions are not gained off xG stats tho. I'd take 4 points out of 2 away games any day of the week. Maybe that's just me.

[RVclaret]

Ultimately, promotions are not gained off xG stats tho. I'd take 4 points out of 2 away games any day of the week. Maybe that's just me.

It’s telling us about chance creation - there is generally a correlation between teams that create more chances and concede not many chances will be promoted.

And yes I do agree, results are obviously paramount and I think Parker has done a great job so far given mitigating factors. I was pleased with the performance on Saturday, but we are struggling to put in back to back performances for some reason.

[Hipper]

It's nothing like the Cotterell era, or the worst of Dyche for that matter.

It seems to me we just have a mediocre team with mediocre players (bar Esteve) like most in The Championship and so all we can expect is mediocre football.

[Row x]

Ultimately, promotions are not gained off xG stats tho. I'd take 4 points out of 2 away games any day of the week. Maybe that's just me.

No, it's not just you. Any sensible supporter would see it that way.

[Silkyskills1]

Interesting comments on how dull it is to watch but I find that watching the majority of other games these days when on tv.

Absolutely spot on. Don't watch that much on TV now but invariably when I do I tend to tell myself at the end of viewing ( and not necessarily the end of the game) that that's another 60 minutes or whatever I won't get back and at 72 years of age I just can't afford to be wasting time like that.

[houseboy]

I wonder how many of the complainants on here were, or still are, part of the ‘Dyche is a living god’ squad? Short memories from some I think. All the world and his wife were saying then how utterly boring we were and how they’d ’hate to watch that crap every week’. And Clarets were united in saying no one likes us and we don’t care. Now those same Clarets are saying the same thing our detractors were saying under Dyche. Wake up you entitled lot, we are second in the league with a better than average squad and a manager who has forgotten more about running a team than you will ever know. You DON’T know better than Parker, stop assuming you do.
We will get promoted, probably automatically and maybe as Champions. Have some belief ffs.

[daveisaclaret]

I wonder how many of the complainants on here were, or still are, part of the ‘Dyche is a living god’ squad? Short memories from some I think. All the world and his wife were saying then how utterly boring we were and how they’d ’hate to watch that crap every week’. And Clarets were united in saying no one likes us and we don’t care. Now those same Clarets are saying the same thing our detractors were saying under Dyche. Wake up you entitled lot, we are second in the league with a better than average squad and a manager who has forgotten more about running a team than you will ever know. You DON’T know better than Parker, stop assuming you do.
We will get promoted, probably automatically and maybe as Champions. Have some belief ffs.

We didn't play boring football in Dyche's promotion seasons. Really silly to pretend we did.

[ChorltonCharlie]

Ultimately, promotions are not gained off xG stats tho. I'd take 4 points out of 2 away games any day of the week. Maybe that's just me.

On course, but the underlying data and eye test suggest it's not sustainable. I imagine most people are delighted with the points we're picking up. That doesn't mean that we can't be concerned that performances haven't warranted them and the manager doesn't seem to know how to get the best out of several expensive signings

[GetIntoEm]

On course, but the underlying data and eye test suggest it's not sustainable. I imagine most people are delighted with the points we're picking up. That doesn't mean that we can't be concerned that performances haven't warranted them and the manager doesn't seem to know how to get the best out of several expensive signings

However, everything you've said there has no substance.

How is it not sustainable? What expensive signings has Parker made?

[ChorltonCharlie]

Hard data and statistics based on data has no substance? That's a new one.

Anthony, Hannibal, Humphrey's, Flemming are 4 to start with. Yes some are on loan, but the values we're supposedly committed to paying for them on top of loan fees makes them expensive signings and players who should be a cut above at the level we're at. That's before we get into the players he inherited.

[jojomk1]

However, everything you've said there has no substance.

How is it not sustainable? What expensive signings has Parker made?

Hannibal ?

[RVclaret]

We didn't play boring football in Dyche's promotion seasons. Really silly to pretend we did.

The second promotion season was quite boring at times. I was at the 0-0 away at Wolves midweek and I’m not sure we had a shot in vein. Away performance at Ewood for the 1-0 Arfield was grim too.

[GetIntoEm]

Anthony and Humphrey's have surely performed as expected. Not sure what else you expected.

Hannibal and Flemming is a situation where currently we are having to play without a striker with Foster being injured and Jay not able to play 90mins. So we are using Hannibal to fill Flemming spot and pushing Flemming further forward

[dsr]

No, it's not just you. Any sensible supporter would see it that way.

You're falling into the old trap of assuming that your form of support is right and anyone who disagrees is not sensible.

Forty years ago I went to all games, home and away, and the result was the main thing (the standard of entertainment was, shall we say, limited at times.) Now, home games only and I like to be entertained as well as liking the result. So be it. You have different priorities, it doesn't (necessarily) mean either of us is not sensible.

[Row x]

You're falling into the old trap of assuming that your form of support is right and anyone who disagrees is not sensible.

Forty years ago I went to all games, home and away, and the result was the main thing (the standard of entertainment was, shall we say, limited at times.) Now, home games only and I like to be entertained as well as liking the result. So be it. You have different priorities, it doesn't (necessarily) mean either of us is not sensible.

I was replying to the point that 4 points from 2 away games is a good return, do you disagree?

[daveisaclaret]

The second promotion season was quite boring at times. I was at the 0-0 away at Wolves midweek and I’m not sure we had a shot in vein. Away performance at Ewood for the 1-0 Arfield was grim too.

We were poor at times in the second, but nobody at the end of that season thought it had been boring football.

[BurnleyFC]

I just news to choose one of the following to insert between Big and Vinny

Spending
Loser
Tit
Time Charlie
On swearing small on tactics
Icelandic hater

Soooo many choices

Keep it simple and go for “head”.

[Row x]

I just news to choose one of the following to insert between Big and Vinny

Spending
Loser
Tit
Time Charlie
On swearing small on tactics
Icelandic hater

Soooo many choices

Championship winner ?

[AGENT_CLARET]

Championship winner ?

And multiple record breaker

[KRBFC]

We’re in the relegation zone when it comes to chances created, shots on target and expected goals. I’m amazed people think this is good entertaining stuff.

[Leisure]

We’re in the relegation zone when it comes to chances created, shots on target and expected goals. I’m amazed people think this is good entertaining stuff.

Where are we in the points total? That's really all that matters! And if you're not being entertained (whatever that means?) just don't watch!

[KRBFC]

Anthony and Humphrey's have surely performed as expected. Not sure what else you expected.

Hannibal and Flemming is a situation where currently we are having to play without a striker with Foster being injured and Jay not able to play 90mins. So we are using Hannibal to fill Flemming spot and pushing Flemming further forward

This is simply not true, this is a choice by Parker.

He had Rodriguez on the bench and a £4m striker. When Foster was fit, Flemming was benched.

[KRBFC]

Where are we in the points total? That's really all that matters! And if you're not being entertained (whatever that means?) just don't watch!

The fans are voting with their feet, compare the away end last night to the same midweek Hull away game under VK.

I don’t think a club like ours can afford to tell fans to simply stay away. We need every fan we can get.

[matttheclaret]

The fans are voting with their feet, compare the away end last night to the same midweek Hull away game under VK.

I don’t think a club like ours can afford to tell fans to simply stay away. We need every fan we can get.

The turnout five days ago at Sheffield Wednesday was the highest away following on the day in the FL wasn't it? Voting with their feet?

[Leisure]

The turnout five days ago at Sheffield Wednesday was the highest away following on the day in the FL wasn't it? Voting with their feet?

Correct and much higher that we've ever previously taken there!

[claretonthecoast1882]

The fans are voting with their feet, compare the away end last night to the same midweek Hull away game under VK.

I don’t think a club like ours can afford to tell fans to simply stay away. We need every fan we can get.

When we last played at Hull under Kompany it was the middle of March, we were 13 points clear at the top and we took 1800

How many are you claiming were there last night

If a club like ours can't afford fans to stay away, why not attend games then and help the club ?

[AlargeClaret]

Since when has ultra modern day football been “ entertaining “? The playing from and around the back , by default stunts “ entertainment “ . It’s about percentages and keeping possession at all costs .
With the very rare exception of the team we had under Kompany who had the sheer class to play attractive football , it’s not something we’re gonna see in a long time at BFC. Have to say it’s only the usual crowd of moaners on this forum who incessantly complain about the “ style of football “ be it Dyche ,VK or Parker . We’re 2nd top and improving all the time .

[Rick_Muller]

The fans are voting with their feet, compare the away end last night to the same midweek Hull away game under VK.

I don’t think a club like ours can afford to tell fans to simply stay away. We need every fan we can get.

I think the fact it was on Sky+ has a lot to do with whether fans will commit to a midweek match away from home or not

[Row x]

The fans are voting with their feet, compare the away end last night to the same midweek Hull away game under VK.

I don’t think a club like ours can afford to tell fans to simply stay away. We need every fan we can get.

Not every fan...there's certain ones we could do without.
You could easily change your user name...remove the K..and rearrange the BRFC, there, I've done it for you

[yorkshireclaret]

Some of our support has become very entitled. A superb following last night which stayed behind to give a good reception to a team that fought to the end and finished the night 2nd in the league! Give me this season any day after the worst season I have ever witnessed last season.

[Clovius Boofus]

Some of our support has become very entitled.

So much so that's it's becoming embarrassing.

[Belial]

I genuinely think some of the people on here just need to give up and go and support Man City or Liverpool FFS

[Ziggy Stardust]

I assume the people complaining are the same sages that had us going down a week before the window shut. Now we are second this is their new complaint. Some of VK's early games were poor and a bit boring. Not saying we are going to get to them levels but I think we would of took this after the Sunderland game? This is the way the game is played these days. I find a lot of the Premier league games quite dull sometimes. It's just the way game has gone. I do think we can be a bit more direct sometimes though.

[CoolClaret]

Some of our support has become very entitled. A superb following last night which stayed behind to give a good reception to a team that fought to the end and finished the night 2nd in the league! Give me this season any day after the worst season I have ever witnessed last season.

It's nauseating.

They lose any sense of nuance and exaggerate everything. Not even an honest attempt to summarise the game or where we are at, just hyperbole. It's like an exhausting post-modern circus where every match is either the greatest of all time or a complete borefest, every player is either a 'generational talent' or a 'league two player', with no room for the reality that most games and players exist somewhere in the middle.

If you didn't look at the league table and only read some of the crap on here/social media, you'd think that we were in 16th or something. Getting bored reading it.

[RVclaret]

It's nauseating.

They lose any sense of nuance and exaggerate everything. Not even an honest attempt to summarise the game or where we are at, just hyperbole. It's like an exhausting post-modern circus where every match is either the greatest of all time or a complete borefest, every player is either a 'generational talent' or a 'league two player', with no room for the reality that most games and players exist somewhere in the middle.

If you didn't look at the league table and only read some of the crap on here/social media, you'd think that we were in 16th or something. Getting bored reading it.

Football discourse has gone this way, it’s not just our club either, I see it across social media with other clubs, albeit we’ve definitely got worse this season. Did you see the Sheffield Wednesday’s fan radio phone in after their game with us? Found it quite funny but also accurate:

https://x.com/footballheaven/status/184 ... 69977?s=46

[KRBFC]

People don’t think a side of this quality should be performing better in attacking metrics?

I’m entitled for expecting the 2nd favourites for the league title to not be in the bottom three for xg, chances created and shots on target.

I’m sorry if I find one of the leagues bluntest attacks boring to watch.