Would this team beat any of the current PL bottom three?

jos · Post by **jos** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:19 pm

Crystal Palace, Southampton and Wolves aren’t doing so well in the PL at the moment, but do you think we can beat them?

I think when we perform at our best then yes, but we seem to be struggling right now.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:23 pm

I'm more often than not glass half full but this team is miles away from PL standard

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:25 pm

No we wouldn't.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:28 pm

Not a chance at this moment in time.

Maybe if and when we gel, but certainly not now.

In my humble opinion of course.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:30 pm

Esteve is good enough for the PL, possibly Roberts and Flemming at a push....the rest are not PL quality, hence I think we would struggle against the current bottom three.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:31 pm

Maybe when we get some of the casualties back, but this team/squad?

No.

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:32 pm

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:31 pm
Maybe when we get some of the casualties back, but this team/squad?

No.

Tresor will be like a new signing

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:33 pm

I think we will go up as champions but are certs for relegation again.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 2:46 pm

Mark the Claret · Post by **Mark the Claret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:03 pm

Already lost to wolves this season.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:07 pm

We’d beat Ipswich as well

Shaggy · Post by **Shaggy** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:07 pm

Good question, unfortunately it’s a simple no we wouldn’t .

We are miles away from even the side 2 years ago.

There are some good players in the team but not much attacking quality and our ultra cautious and ultimately boring style of play isn’t helping either.

blatherwickstattoos · Post by **blatherwickstattoos** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:20 pm

Not a chance. We are bang average

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:27 pm

Yeah I think we could beat Southampton. They would play into our hands and we could hit them on the break. We'd probably need to be at full strength mind.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:36 pm

We would beat Ipswich, their keeper is crap

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:52 pm

Out of 6 games in a Pl season we would get max 3 points

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:55 pm

Is this supposed to be funny?

This team is light years away from being a Premier League side. We look hopeless going forward.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:58 pm

Sadly we have hit a point where we will need to buy 15 new players if we go up and then sell them when we go back down.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:11 pm

Not a prayer unfortunately.

To be fair though, Ipswich and Southampton both spent £100m in summer and we sold £100m of talent, so that’s hardly surprising.

It’s depressing how far we’ve regressed though. In 22/23 at least always felt like we were building something that could be special. It turned out not to be so, but at that time it felt like it could be.

It’s hard to feel the same at the moment. Hoping Parker can work his magic and change that view.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:19 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:58 pm
Sadly we have hit a point where we will need to buy 15 new players if we go up and then sell them when we go back down.

Honestly, I know we’re second so I probably should feel that’s a possibility, but I can’t visualise that being a problem at the moment!

That said, if Pace offered me the choice - no signings, or limited to loans/free’s, go with what we’ve got and use the money to pay down debt, or go and spend another £100m on kids… I’d take the former without hesitation.

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:21 pm

This team would get less than 15 points. There's probably one PL level player in the squad.
Been saying it all season but the transfer window was a joke in terms of the drop in levels.

Not enough has been said about it, as for me it was a really blatant indicator that we were (or still are) in pretty big financial trouble

Goalposts · Post by **Goalposts** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:26 pm

Nope not a chance.

Probably better defencively than kompany but not dyche
Worse midfield than kompany but better than dyche
Attacking wise worse than both dyche and Kompany

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:09 pm

Pointless question
We all know this team is a work in progress
Doing well to be where we are then push on in January that’s when you should be asking the question

pushpinpussy · Post by **pushpinpussy** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:30 pm

It’s a good question. We are more organised, Harder to break down and this formation is one VK should maybe have looked at. however we are miles off being a premier league club and would possibly have very few points on the board.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:38 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:07 pm
We’d beat Ipswich as well

Kompany's team only just beat Ipswich in 2 FA Cup ties - we are worse than we were then and they are way stronger. We wouldn't get near them now and it shows what a complete mess VK made of our last 12 months

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:42 pm

Goliath wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:21 pm
This team would get less than 15 points. There's probably one PL level player in the squad.
Been saying it all season but the transfer window was a joke in terms of the drop in levels.

Not enough has been said about it, as for me it was a really blatant indicator that we were (or still are) in pretty big financial trouble

The drop in quality didn't just start recently, it's been going on for years.
If it's an indicator of anything it shows how difficult it is for a small town club to survive in the premier league.

Lord_Bob · Post by **Lord_Bob** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:56 pm

I really thought we were close to having a competitive PL team when we went up under VK. Just needed a couple of additions. Instead we blew the whole thing up, recruited 7 wingers and no full backs and we never really found out if that team could have competed in the PL.

As everyone seems to agree, if this team goes up, it's going to need a major overhaul to be competitive and another hectic summer. Not a sustainable model in my view, but here we are.

ClaretPete001 · Post by **ClaretPete001** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:58 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:42 pm
The drop in quality didn't just start recently, it's been going on for years.
If it's an indicator of anything it shows how difficult it is for a small town club to survive in the premier league.

We came 10th in the PL 5 years ago. The drop in quality is entirely related to the shenanigans of the ALK deal and the fact that we bought so badly last season. We spent Eur18 million on Tresor who hasn't played.

Just imagine how good this team would be if we had an Eur18 million striker alongside Foster and Flemming.

I think if you added £90 million worth of talent to this squad as VK was able to do it would be arguably have the potential to be better than last season because we are now harder to beat .

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:10 pm

No, is the answer to the question.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:13 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:58 pm
We came 10th in the PL 5 years ago. The drop in quality is entirely related to the shenanigans of the ALK deal and the fact that we bought so badly last season. We spent Eur18 million on Tresor who hasn't played.

Just imagine how good this team would be if we had an Eur18 million striker alongside Foster and Flemming.

I think if you added £90 million worth of talent to this squad as VK was able to do it would be arguably have the potential to be better than last season because we are now harder to beat .

I don't see the point of blaming anyone, to be fair.
We overachieved for several seasons under SD, if you think our current players are anywhere near as competitive as his 2017 squad I disagree. We haven't been able to maintain that standard of squad, largely due to the huge disparity in wealth invested into the city clubs.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:31 pm

ClaretPete001 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:58 pm
We came 10th in the PL 5 years ago. The drop in quality is entirely related to the shenanigans of the ALK deal and the fact that we bought so badly last season. We spent Eur18 million on Tresor who hasn't played.

Just imagine how good this team would be if we had an Eur18 million striker alongside Foster and Flemming.

I think if you added £90 million worth of talent to this squad as VK was able to do it would be arguably have the potential to be better than last season because we are now harder to beat .

Totally agree

Thought the same myself when the season kicked off - it's taken 3/4 years to really notice the effects of the buyout, but it's started to rear it's ugly head.

warksclaret · Post by **warksclaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:36 pm

Light miles away-dont forget we have lost Larsen, Odobert, O Shea, Berge, Amdouini, and as good as lost Foster (through injury and form), just to mention a few. I doubt we would score a goal against the bottom three. The gulf in the two divisions is significant

Claret Toni · Post by **Claret Toni** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:02 pm

I feel like I'm answering for DA here, 'cos I believe we could beat one of the bottom three.

....but we'd need the right Ref.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:03 pm

We've struggled to beat the 2 Championship bottom 4 that we've played.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:38 pm

Ha ha, a million miles away right now.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:38 pm

We give gilt edge chances to others and create little.
No

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:41 pm

Esteve for definite and Roberts and Brownhill as maybe a squad player for the lower half Prem team are currently our only Premier League quality players.

Potential for Koleosho, Flemming, Hannibal and Trafford.

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:35 pm

Beating them would be a struggle but I'd say there's a pretty good chance we wouldn't lose.

jos · Post by **jos** » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:50 pm

burnley007 wrote: ↑
Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:55 pm
Is this supposed to be funny?

No, it’s just a question to compare where we are in this point in time to where we need to be.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:35 am

Irrelevant as this team wont be playing them anytime soon....just another thread for the usual suspects to talk the club down.

I'm confident that if promoted we'll be taking a far more pragmatic approach than Kompany's weird circus last season.

Parker's got experience of the Prem and will be putting his own record straight.

Mid table next season in the Premier League.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:54 am

Despite the gap in quality every promoted side, including the one from the play-offs always surpass Derby 's points total with ease.

And virtually every club gets past Aston Villa's total as well.

And yet many say it's getting harder to survive year on year.

burnley007 · Post by **burnley007** » Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:54 am

fatboy47 wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:35 am
Irrelevant as this team wont be playing them anytime soon....just another thread for the usual suspects to talk the club down.

I'm confident that if promoted we'll be taking a far more pragmatic approach than Kompany's weird circus last season.

Parker's got experience of the Prem and will be putting his own record straight.

Mid table next season in the Premier League.

That experience you talk about, how did it go for him? Both times?

AGENT_CLARET · Post by **AGENT_CLARET** » Sun Oct 27, 2024 6:20 am

This current team with Parker would get less points than the Kompany team, also if I'm right in thinking we have to buy three of the four players currently on loan and they won't be good enough for the Premier league, apart from Esteve this is a championship level team at best and would struggle week in week out in the Premier league.