Zzzzzzzzzzz

[claretonthecoast1882]

People don’t think a side of this quality should be performing better in attacking metrics?

I’m entitled for expecting the 2nd favourites for the league title to not be in the bottom three for xg, chances created and shots on target.

I’m sorry if I find one of the leagues bluntest attacks boring to watch.

You could have just left it at I'm entitled

[bumba]

Agree with this.

Parker has inherited a squad that has been completely mismanaged. How many players are still out injured? How many players do we still have that don’t want to be here?

To think we’ve spent circa £150-200M over the past 2 years, and tonight Parker has had to turn to Agyei (350k), Jay-Rod, Houtondji (£4M) Humphries (loan) and Laurent (500k) as subs.

Criticising Parker comes with caveats whilst 1/3rd of the squad is out injured or awol.

Hountondji is one of our highest paid signings this summer if you take away Esteve and Tresor who VK had already signed, that's what Parker is dealing with he's not proved to be worth anything close to the amount we paid so far.
The squad out injured alone could win the championship, I remember when Dyche had us organised and top of the league and we was all buzzing week in week out just for being up there now after one freak season under VK our fanbase think there entitled to that every season.
Create a good atmosphere and enjoy the ride and maybe this team will flourish

[ChorltonCharlie]

Why is it that everything on here gets made binary? Are forums on the internet not meant to have reasoned discussion? I could understand people being so defensive if others were calling for Parker’s head and other such nonsense. For the most part the critics are just warning that if we don’t improve it’s unlikely we’ll keep picking up points at the rate we have. At a conservative estimate, yesterdays first 11 had a transfer fees of around £60m (once conditional loan fees are realised). Is it that unreasonable to think that they could have claimed a point with a bit more attacking verve? Especially when it wasn’t an isolated performance.

I appreciate there’s some posters who are critical about everything, but for my part I’m someone who backs managers and players. I think we have an excellent chance of promotion, especially considering the talent yet to return from injury. But if the hand break isn’t loosened, we’ll be trying to do it with one hand tied behind our back. As Dyche tends to say, games can be decided by fine margins. We seem to be relying on the fortunate side of those. I’d just like to see Parker impose our team more on the opposition and take a few more risks. If we don’t I see no way we’ll keep pace with Leeds who would appear to be the team most people see pulling clear. Which would then leave us in a war of attrition with some of our rivals who would appear to have weaker squads, but managers who are making more than a sum of their parts. The players have said they see the target as going out to win the league, so go out and show it.

[ChorltonCharlie]

Hountondji is one of our highest paid signings this summer if you take away Esteve and Tresor who VK had already signed, that's what Parker is dealing with he's not proved to be worth anything close to the amount we paid so far.

This is disingenuous. The fees future fees rumoured to already be agreed for Flemming, Anthony and Humphreys are far in excess of Hountondji, as are Hannibal and Worrall who permanently signed. We've got around 15 FIT players who pretty much everyone in this division would snap their hands off for with the exception of Leeds.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Why is it that everything on here gets made binary? Are forums on the internet not meant to have reasoned discussion? I could understand people being so defensive if others were calling for Parker’s head and other such nonsense. For the most part the critics are just warning that if we don’t improve it’s unlikely we’ll keep picking up points at the rate we have. At a conservative estimate, yesterdays first 11 had a transfer fees of around £60m (once conditional loan fees are realised). Is it that unreasonable to think that they could have claimed a point with a bit more attacking verve? Especially when it wasn’t an isolated performance.

I appreciate there’s some posters who are critical about everything, but for my part I’m someone who backs managers and players. I think we have an excellent chance of promotion, especially considering the talent yet to return from injury. But if the hand break isn’t loosened, we’ll be trying to do it with one hand tied behind our back. As Dyche tends to say, games can be decided by fine margins. We seem to be relying on the fortunate side of those. I’d just like to see Parker impose our team more on the opposition and take a few more risks. If we don’t I see no way we’ll keep pace with Leeds who would appear to be the team most people see pulling clear. Which would then leave us in a war of attrition with some of our rivals who would appear to have weaker squads, but managers who are making more than a sum of their parts. The players have said they see the target as going out to win the league, so go out and show it.

We did claim a point

[Big Vinny K]

Second in league
Lost less games than any other team
4th highest scorers
best defence

And yes we have been difficult to watch at times and definitely not fully clicking yet.
But we have a lot of injuries and there has not been a single game where SP has been able to pick his best side. Foster has been struggling but he has not had the chance to play with Flemming yet (Flemming was clearly not fully fit after the Leeds game).

We left ourselves exposed by not signing another striker but don’t think it was for the want of trying. If we can be in and around the playoffs on the 1st January we are one of the few teams who hopefully have the resources to strengthen.

Just like the odds were stacked against us in the EPL and I always thought relegation was inevitable at some point I am also resigned to the likelihood that one day we will not get promoted back to the EPL too. We are surrounded in this league by clubs who used to be where we are now with parachute payments and a sense of entitlement….i doubt that the 3 promoted teams will be Leeds, Burnley and Sheffield United so that’s at least one team who are on the road to joining West Brom, Sunderland, Norwich etc.

[dsr]

We did claim a point

I think the ChorltonCharlie was saying that we could have played attacking football and still got a point instead of playing Southgate-like football for the same point.

[The Shire Claret]

Some people love to have a moan don’t they

I mean REALLY love it

Get a bit a perspective ….

2nd in the league - great GD
Lost once



Team still more or less brand new

This team will click - you can see what they are trying to do … not pretty at times and I don’t agree with the starting line up at times but it’s going to come ….

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[CoolClaret]

Football discourse has gone this way, it’s not just our club either, I see it across social media with other clubs, albeit we’ve definitely got worse this season. Did you see the Sheffield Wednesday’s fan radio phone in after their game with us? Found it quite funny but also accurate:

https://x.com/footballheaven/status/184 ... 69977?s=46

Thanks for sharing that RV - I hadn't seen it but he expertly summarises my feelings!

I think it's just discourse in general, and I'm getting very tired of it. Morons' lazy thoughts are being amplified in the algorithm age to people in their echo chambers, and we're all worse off as a result of it.

[The Shire Claret]

Thanks for sharing that RV - I hadn't seen it but he expertly summarises my feelings!

I think it's just discourse in general, and I'm getting very tired of it. Morons' lazy thoughts are being amplified in the algorithm age to people in their echo chambers, and we're all worse off as a result of it.

Be more like Gaz

Gaz knows

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[GetIntoEm]

The people who moan have never travelled to an away game.

Same lot who moan about ticket prices, claimed we would get relegated this season, moaned we should sack Dyche, moaned that we shouldn't have sacked Kompany. Moan moan moan

The tickets were cheap last night, and it's half term. No excuses this time for those who didn't go. Your kids didn't "have to get up for school" or whatever excuse you normally use for following and moaning about Burnley by using a dodgy firestick

[randomclaret2]

People don’t think a side of this quality should be performing better in attacking metrics?

I’m entitled for expecting the 2nd favourites for the league title to not be in the bottom three for xg, chances created and shots on target.

I’m sorry if I find one of the leagues bluntest attacks boring to watch.

Just had a look at the League Table and dont see 'xg', 'chances created ' or 'shots on target ' listed anywhere

[TPClaret]

Some people love to have a moan don’t they

I mean REALLY love it

Get a bit a perspective ….

2nd in the league - great GD
Lost once



Team still more or less brand new

This team will click - you can see what they are trying to do … not pretty at times and I don’t agree with the starting line up at times but it’s going to come ….

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Agreed. As SP said in his presser, we live in a world where everyone wants things to happen instantly. Like you said this team has been together a very short space of time.

[bfcmatt]

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2 points better off than the 22/23 season, something must be going the right way.

[Vince Fontaine]

People don’t think a side of this quality should be performing better in attacking metrics?

I’m entitled for expecting the 2nd favourites for the league title to not be in the bottom three for xg, chances created and shots on target.

I’m sorry if I find one of the leagues bluntest attacks boring to watch.

So tell me which one of the 5 teams out of the top 6 playing last night had most shots at goal and most on target?

Sunderland. 8 shots 5 on target
Burnley. 11 shots 5 on target
West Brom. 9 shots 4 on target
Sheffield Utd. 9 shots 5 on target
Blackburn. 8 shots 2 on target


That’ll be the bluntest and boring attack then.

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[GetIntoEm]

So tell me which one of the 5 teams out of the top 6 playing last night had most shots at goal and most on target?

Sunderland. 8 shots 5 on target
Burnley. 11 shots 5 on target
West Brom. 9 shots 4 on target
Sheffield Utd. 9 shots 5 on target
Blackburn. 8 shots 2 on target


That’ll be the bluntest and boring attack then.

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Nah booooooooooo

[bumba]

This is disingenuous. The fees future fees rumoured to already be agreed for Flemming, Anthony and Humphreys are far in excess of Hountondji, as are Hannibal and Worrall who permanently signed. We've got around 15 FIT players who pretty much everyone in this division would snap their hands off for with the exception of Leeds.

FUTURE fees, RUMOURED fees.
As I said Hountondji is ONE OF the highest PAID signings of THIS summer

[Guller Bull]

OK sensible discussion. I have been one that has made jokey comments on match thread like “ yeah we won but it’s s dull isn’t it?”

The Preston game was one of the dullest games of football I have seen in years. Talking to a Preston fan who readily admitted his owns teams part in that but was massively surprised at how ineffective we were.
I can’t think of another game since Luton/ Cardiff that has made me think “Hell we are flying!”

I think we will gain promotion and I think SP has enough about him and enough talent at his disposal to grind his way there. It ain’t going to be pretty and it isn’t going to thrill. I hate watching it but it’s my team so I am not going “to go and support somebody else” It’s dull possession, turgid fayre.

I wouldn’t mind playing like this in the odd game against where it needs to be attritional say for eg away at Sheff Utd, Boro but when you are home against teams that haven’t got the players/ability we have??
I wasn’t pleased with the appointment of SP as this is what he brings, but after the Cardiff and Luton games and some of his plausible interviews I was changing my opinion . I know players left after these games but we still have some incredible talent.

Anyway onwards and upwards. Stats/possession/xg etc might suffice as long as we are gaining points.

[Row x]

FUTURE fees, RUMOURED fees.
As I said Hountondji is ONE OF the highest PAID signings of THIS summer

RUMOURED to be

[Guller Bull]

So just out of interest to continue the adult conversation. A lot of people feel that the style of play that we are utilising at the moment although functional is quite tedious to watch.

Now I know that there will be those that want to jump down my neck and comment such as "If you think this is boring you should have seen us under XYZ" "or how can you comment you don't actually come to games" But lets just get past that and see what it is that is making somewhat of a chore to watch?

Parker has his style of play but what is it (and yes I know it gets results at this level that makes it appear less entertaining? I mean we have are in second place, one defeat and x number of points more than Kompany had at this point in the last Championship season.
But it is dull. What makes it so? Is it possession for the sake of it? Is it tactics?

As I said a bit higher up the thread I feel confident Parker will get us but it's proving not pretty.

[Vince Fontaine]

So just out of interest to continue the adult conversation. A lot of people feel that the style of play that we are utilising at the moment although functional is quite tedious to watch.

Now I know that there will be those that want to jump down my neck and comment such as "If you think this is boring you should have seen us under XYZ" "or how can you comment you don't actually come to games" But lets just get past that and see what it is that is making somewhat of a chore to watch?

Parker has his style of play but what is it (and yes I know it gets results at this level that makes it appear less entertaining? I mean we have are in second place, one defeat and x number of points more than Kompany had at this point in the last Championship season.
But it is dull. What makes it so? Is it possession for the sake of it? Is it tactics?

As I said a bit higher up the thread I feel confident Parker will get us but it's proving not pretty.

I would say that the dullest and most boring team would be the one that had the fewest attempts and fewest shots at goal. Tuesday’s stats are above and here are the ones from last weekend.

Sunderland 10 shots 2 on target
Burnley 14 shots 6 on target
Leeds 13 shots 5 on target
West Brom 14 shots 3 on target
Sheffield Utd 5 shots 0 on target
Blackburn 8 shots 3 on target

Make your own mind up who’s the dullest and most boring team in the top 6. Or tell me who’s creating more chances?
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[The Shire Claret]

So just out of interest to continue the adult conversation. A lot of people feel that the style of play that we are utilising at the moment although functional is quite tedious to watch.

Now I know that there will be those that want to jump down my neck and comment such as "If you think this is boring you should have seen us under XYZ" "or how can you comment you don't actually come to games" But lets just get past that and see what it is that is making somewhat of a chore to watch?

Parker has his style of play but what is it (and yes I know it gets results at this level that makes it appear less entertaining? I mean we have are in second place, one defeat and x number of points more than Kompany had at this point in the last Championship season.
But it is dull. What makes it so? Is it possession for the sake of it? Is it tactics?

As I said a bit higher up the thread I feel confident Parker will get us but it's proving not pretty.

I think if you base off the first 2 games where we had a preseason with a full squad he will want to play a mix of styles … against Luton we invited pressure to hit the channels and break quick - worked a treat

Against Cardiff we had to play differently and they made it messy but we got the job done

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I really think we will get back to that soon

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[Guller Bull]

I would say that the dullest and most boring team would be the one that had the fewest attempts and fewest shots at goal. Tuesday’s stats are above and here are the ones from last weekend.

Sunderland 10 shots 2 on target
Burnley 14 shots 6 on target
Leeds 13 shots 5 on target
West Brom 14 shots 3 on target
Sheffield Utd 5 shots 0 on target
Blackburn 8 shots 3 on target

Make your own mind up who’s the dullest and most boring team in the top 6. Or tell me who’s creating more chances?
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Vince - as we know statistics can cover a multitude of sins. Stats are great but what you see with your eyes is the real test. We know it's not a great watch. But what is it that is needing tweeking?

[Guller Bull]

I think if you base off the first 2 games where we had a preseason with a full squad he will want to play a mix of styles … against Luton we invited pressure to hit the channels and break quick - worked a treat

Against Cardiff we had to play differently and they made it messy but we got the job done

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I really think we will get back to that soon

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Really hope you are right. Not saying we should be destroying teams far from it but we should be entertaining.

[houseboy]

We didn't play boring football in Dyche's promotion seasons. Really silly to pretend we did.

Yes we did. It was defensive hoofball ****. Everybody knows it, stop pretending otherwise. I’m not saying it didn’t work. I’m not saying it was a bad thing, you work with what you’ve got and Dyche was great at that, but I AM saying get off Parker’s back for doing exactly the same thing. We are second in the league. We are unbeaten in nine games. We have conceded just 5 goals all season. We have one of the best goal differences in the Championship. We have a squad that is depleted by injuries and will only get better. What the fck do you want? Entertainment? We didn’t get too much of that under Dyche (remember anti football?).

[Leisure]

Really hope you are right. Not saying we should be destroying teams far from it but we should be entertaining.

What's your definition of entertaining?

[Guller Bull]

What's your definition of entertaining?

For eg under Dyche, when we had Arfield, Eagles or whoever beating a man and delivering a ball to Wood, Barnes or whoever. Going back Glenn Little terrorising defenders. Or Zaroury /Benson/ Tella cutting in and having a crack. Fletcher rising up and hanging in the air to head one home from a beautiful cross from James. David Eyres going on a worldy run and slotting it home etc etc Solid crunching defense work from a Tarkovski or Steve Davis
It's hard to describe what entertainment is and what gets each of us of our chairs but I haven't felt like that this season since Luton. That seems a long time ago now.
This just feels like going through the motions of pass pass possession. Like I say hope I am wrong and he starts to play with a little more freedom.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

For eg under Dyche, when we had Arfield, Eagles or whoever beating a man and delivering a ball to Wood, Barnes or whoever. Going back Glenn Little terrorising defenders. Or Zaroury /Benson/ Tella cutting in and having a crack. Fletcher rising up and hanging in the air to head one home from a beautiful cross from James. David Eyres going on a worldy run and slotting it home etc etc Solid crunching defense work from a Tarkovski or Steve Davis
It's hard to describe what entertainment is and what gets each of us of our chairs but I haven't felt like that this season since Luton. That seems a long time ago now.
This just feels like going through the motions of pass pass possession. Like I say hope I am wrong and he starts to play with a little more freedom.

We had several whingers on here about Dyche-ball etc and how boring it was to watch

It wasn't all fantastical football under Dyche as we know.

[Guller Bull]

We had several whingers on here about Dyche-ball etc and how boring it was to watch

It wasn't all fantastical football under Dyche as we know.

Some of it was very dull under Dyche although in the Championship we did put in some very good exciting performances, we also ground out results when we need to. We have put in some poor performances under all managers. I dont even think recent performances have been anywhere near what you would call poor but it just feels very one dimensional. As I keep saying SP will probably get us promoted and as people keep reminding us , "we are ******** second in the league" but it's dull

[dsr]

What's your definition of entertaining?

Scoring goals would be a vital part of entertaining.

[blatherwickstattoos]

Sadly all football is getting boring. Give me 442 with wingers attacking a byline and getting early crosses in the box. This tippy tappy possession game is crap

[Leisure]

Scoring goals would be a vital part of entertaining.

What about not conceding or not getting beat?

[NewClaret]

Sadly all football is getting boring. Give me 442 with wingers attacking a byline and getting early crosses in the box. This tippy tappy possession game is crap

You’ve hit the nail on the head here.

The majority of this thread isn’t a discussion about Burnley but modern day football.

Possession is about controlling the game so when we have it, we’re effectively defending with the ball. I don’t mind it too much, but I can understand why some just want to watch an end to end basketball game for the pure entertainment value.

[blatherwickstattoos]

You’ve hit the nail on the head here.

The majority of this thread isn’t a discussion about Burnley but modern day football.

Possession is about controlling the game so when we have it, we’re effectively defending with the ball. I don’t mind it too much, but I can understand why some just want to watch an end to end basketball game for the pure entertainment value.

I rarely watch football on the tv these days too. It’s dire. Gone are the days of champions league fixtures you’d be excited to see midweek. Super Sundays are not that super.

People blame Pep and his style that other teams try and implement and fail at, but I think a lot of it is at academy level. Kids that are coming through are like robots. No mavericks.

[Row x]

Just imagine, all the world class coaches are wrong, and the answer found on a football messageboard is revert to 1960s style football.

[The Shire Claret]

I rarely watch football on the tv these days too. It’s dire. Gone are the days of champions league fixtures you’d be excited to see midweek. Super Sundays are not that super.

People blame Pep and his style that other teams try and implement and fail at, but I think a lot of it is at academy level. Kids that are coming through are like robots. No mavericks.

This is not meant as an offence at all ! I'm no spring chicken but I think a lot of if is down to nostalgia of youth ....

Football is still entertaining .... the vidiprinter still shows similar scorelines now that many era and you still have your mavericks/characters ... Oli Palmer for instance

I think today's teams beats any teams from 10/15 years ago .....

I do feel however in the lower end of the PL - it's become so important not to lose that teams playing each other at the bottom can cancel each other out

Other than that I think its great !

[blatherwickstattoos]

This is not meant as an offence at all ! I'm no spring chicken but I think a lot of if is down to nostalgia of youth ....

Football is still entertaining .... the vidiprinter still shows similar scorelines now that many era and you still have your mavericks/characters ... Oli Palmer for instance

I think today's teams beats any teams from 10/15 years ago .....

I do feel however in the lower end of the PL - it's become so important not to lose that teams playing each other at the bottom can cancel each other out

Other than that I think its great !

I disagree about the teams now beating teams from 15 years ago. I think football peaked in the late 90’s to around 2010. A lot more genuine ‘world class’ players about in this period compared to now.

Nostalgia I agree with. It’s the same with music in that sense

[dsr]

What about not conceding or not getting beat?

Obviously it's perfectly legit to look at the last three home games v Plymouth, Preston and QPR and declare yourself fully entertained because we didn't lose and we didn't concede a goal. That's a personal preference. All I am saying is that, for me, goals are a vital part of entertaining football and a string of 0-0's doesn't entertain me. (Even if one of the teams granted us a fortunate penalty!)

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Some of it was very dull under Dyche although in the Championship we did put in some very good exciting performances, we also ground out results when we need to. We have put in some poor performances under all managers. I dont even think recent performances have been anywhere near what you would call poor but it just feels very one dimensional. As I keep saying SP will probably get us promoted and as people keep reminding us , "we are ******** second in the league" but it's dull

We're grinding out results now because we don't have a free scoring striker, or wingers for that matter.

[Vince Fontaine]

That was painful to watch, going to be a long season

0% chance we we go up with this squad, will do well to be in in the top 10

That is up there with the Cotterill era it was that bad.

Well the OP hasn’t aged well after the brilliant performance at Sheffield Utd. I wonder what % chance you give us now of going up with this squad?
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[PremierLeagueClass]

All gone quiet haven’t they!

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

All gone quiet haven’t they!

More likely just fallen asleep too much christmas pudding.

[hoosier-daddy]

Well the OP hasn’t aged well after the brilliant performance at Sheffield Utd. I wonder what % chance you give us now of going up with this squad?
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Quick look through his posts back to middle of November - didn't see a single positive thing about us. November 12th he wanted Hendrick back.

[fidelcastro]

More likely just fallen asleep too much christmas pudding.

I think the only pudding here is you.

[Guller Bull]

All gone quiet haven’t they!

Nope still here. It has improved and the Fleming strike the other week actually made me jump out of my cosy sofa.
I'm hoping we have put those awful performances (Derby, Preston, Hull, Millwall etc) behind us. It's better but it's still ponderous

[claret wizard]

Hard to read this thread, I’ve blocked so many people from it

There’s glass half full people, then there’s the ones who’s is half empty. However there are those who have spilt their drink, smashed the glass and slipped and slashed their wrists in the detritus.

Or maybe there are just a couple with multiple logins who egging on a few doubters to join in.

[watsonsclarets]

It’s not ponderous at all, it full of rotations since Hannibal and Laurent come in.

Look at Brownhill taking position up on the right wing we have started having more variations in our movement’s and teams who zonal mark are struggling plus we are playing quicker one touch in the final 3rd and Flemming getting fitter and fitter.


Laurent also added he given licence to leave his 2 man pivot and allow Cullen to operate there.

Overall

We added movement speed of play through and without a doubt people have improved and Parker has us more in the mould he wants us. Not jumping on a bandwagon but it there for people to see it possession now with purpose whilst keeping us solid.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

If we do get promoted maybe Pace should think about some business class type seating in the boxes with seats that recline fully backwards so folk can get a good snooze in whilst watching the match. They'd feel refreshed then once the game is over and it would only last 2o mins to them. Win win.

[BurnleyFC]

Derby at home apart, the football has definitely improved.

Credit where credit’s due.

[The Shire Claret]

If we do get promoted maybe Pace should think about some business class type seating in the boxes with seats that recline fully backwards so folk can get a good snooze in whilst watching the match. They'd feel refreshed then once the game is over and it would only last 2o mins to them. Win win.

Nice and mild for your fishing trip today …