Sack him now

[NL Claret]

Playing 451 at home to absolute fodder like qpr is ridiculous. We had the players available to not do that.

Just out of interest, who are the available players?

[Mattster]

The first half was, regardless of the opposition, good. Tee to green we looked a cohesive, well coached team. We created 3 or 4 very decent openings which QPR deserve credit for shutting down at the last minute. We missed a very good chance through Humphrys. Particularly when you allow for 6 credible first team attackers being absent through injury, it was good. There were shortcomings yesterday that became increasingly obvious as the game wore on and there are trends that can't be ignored, but if you can't accept the first half yesterday was basically good, I don't think you're starting the argument objectively.

It was decent. I'm not having that first half as good when we created nothing of genuine quality and didn't test the goalkeeper once, against a team 23rd in the table who had failed to keep a single clean sheet all season.My standards have not yet fallen that far.

[morninbob]

It was more 2-3-5 in possession. Pretty much everyone wanted Laurent in and were quite upset he didn’t play the other night. Out of interest what would you have gone for with the personnel available? I’d suggested Hountondji and Flemming as a 2 but not sure the former looks up to it yet after another appearance (albeit in a weird shape by that point), and Jay Rod looked yards off the pace unfortunately…

It was 3241 in possession,
Egan Riley esteve Humphreys
Roberts Cullen
Koleosho Laurent Brownhill Anthony
Flemming

It was almost a perfect performance bar an early goal, the setup was much more like under VK, I just wish we'd switched the wingers every now and then to give koleosho a go on the left.

[morninbob]

It was decent. I'm not having that first half as good when we created nothing of genuine quality and didn't test the goalkeeper once, against a team 23rd in the table who had failed to keep a single clean sheet all season.My standards have not yet fallen that far.

Bar a couple of excellent last ditch blocks the keeper would have been worked.

[RVclaret]

It was 3241 in possession,
Egan Riley esteve Humphreys
Roberts Cullen
Koleosho Laurent Brownhill Anthony
Flemming

It was almost a perfect performance bar an early goal, the setup was much more like under VK, I just wish we'd switched the wingers every now and then to give koleosho a go on the left.

Average positions make it out as a 2-3-5 shape, but yeah could see it your way too. Probably needed Brownhill playing past Flemming more often.

[Mattster]

Bar a couple of excellent last ditch blocks the keeper would have been worked.

I mean if that elevates it to a good performance for you, then fair enough. But the first half was nothing more than a decent performance for me.

[BigAlClaret]

I really don't enjoy criticising the team but we weren't just unlucky yesterday. Before the game I thought perhaps we should win this looking at the form and records of both sides but only 1-0 if we played well.I know how football can play out at times but yesterday's result can not have been unexpected. What really disappointed me was the fact that sure we could have scored a goal but I couldn't see how we could score 2 or more.We are so hard to beat but we struggle to win matches now.

[daveisaclaret]

Pretty funny to see the RV Claret quote from June that shows he knew the football would be boring under Parker.

I think it's admirable in a sense to be defensive about the Burnley team but you have to wonder, when we're all alone here, what the point is.

[quoonbeatz]

It was more 2-3-5 in possession. Pretty much everyone wanted Laurent in and were quite upset he didn’t play the other night. Out of interest what would you have gone for with the personnel available? I’d suggested Hountondji and Flemming as a 2 but not sure the former looks up to it yet after another appearance (albeit in a weird shape by that point), and Jay Rod looked yards off the pace unfortunately…

We had 4 defenders, 5 midfielders and one forward. Granted, Roberts pushed into midfield a lot so maybe 361 at times.

The issue isn’t necessarily the numbers it’s the fact that we had one forward who is an attacking midfielder. Having one forward makes it easy for 2 centre halves to defend and even easier when said forward keeps going wide for the ball as there’s no one pushing on and getting in the box, and when they do it’s a maximum of one.

Having the wide men hugging the touchline means that far too often we’re just playing round one side, then going back and round the other side ad infinitum until a cross comes in that is easily dealt with cos we’ve only got one forward in the box. QPR defended well yesterday but it wasn’t that difficult for them.

Laurent shouldn’t have been left out at Hull but there was no need for 3 in there today and either him or Cullen should have come out for either Jay or Hountondji, although Hountondji looks pretty junk from what we’ve seen so far.

[claretspice]

We had 4 defenders, 5 midfielders and one forward. Granted, Roberts pushed into midfield a lot so maybe 361 at times.

The issue isn’t necessarily the numbers it’s the fact that we had one forward who is an attacking midfielder. Having one forward makes it easy for 2 centre halves to defend and even easier when said forward keeps going wide for the ball as there’s no one pushing on and getting in the box, and when they do it’s a maximum of one.

Having the wide men hugging the touchline means that far too often we’re just playing round one side, then going back and round the other side ad infinitum until a cross comes in that is easily dealt with cos we’ve only got one forward in the box. QPR defended well yesterday but it wasn’t that difficult for them.

Laurent shouldn’t have been left out at Hull but there was no need for 3 in there today and either him or Cullen should have come out for either Jay or Hountondji, although Hountondji looks pretty junk from what we’ve seen so far.

The structure and formation yesterday was virtually identical to that which Kompany employed. Its really more a 433 than 451 and as others have said it was mostly more a 235 than anything else. We saw Anthony get into goalscoring positions coming into more central areas as moves developed a number of times. We didn't see as much of that from Koleosho (which is a frustration currently), but fundamentally the difference between yesterday and those equivalent performances under Kompany was the fact Kompany had more quality in that 3 ahead of Cullen and Brownhill and behind the striker, and he also had more pace and attacking intent to augment the attack from full back. I'm not convinced that Jay and Flemming (too samey) or Flemming and Hountondji would have altered that. If I'm bring critical of the starting set up yesterday it was that was that Humphrys was an unnecessary insurance policy and we needed Pires' greater creativity, and we once again didn't try and get Koleosho in behind either into goalscoring positions or high wide crossing positions.

We certainly needed more creativity, but the various players who might have added that are injured.

[KRBFC]

Yeah, if someone is using xG in their argument against me then it’s worth using it back when I know I’m right, it cuts out biases.

It’s a comparison between the performance against QPR and other similar, if not worse, types of performances under VK. They happened, there’s no disguising that. Stylistically it was near the exact same but we didn’t have someone (Benson or JBG) to come on and win the game.

It’s an absolute insult to compare this side to one of the finest Championship sides this country has seen.

Using yesterdays game (which Parker said was our best performance of the season) then comparing it with our worst performances under Kompany is disingenuous and deluding yourself to pretend we’re seeing a similar thing.

[KRBFC]

Embarrassing thread - sick of the entitled morons in our fanbase that think their feelings justify sacking a manager who has us sitting 2nd in the league

The irony, you felt it was right sacking Kompany because he wasn’t winning games in the league above every week. Crying every week like an entitled brat.

So now Parker has some credit in the bank for being 2nd in the league after 11/12 games but Kompanys credit ran out very fast after 101 points and a league title?

You’re only pretending to support this guff because you cried so much about Kompany. Refuse to be wrong.

[quoonbeatz]

The structure and formation yesterday was virtually identical to that which Kompany employed. Its really more a 433 than 451 and as others have said it was mostly more a 235 than anything else. We saw Anthony get into goalscoring positions coming into more central areas as moves developed a number of times. We didn't see as much of that from Koleosho (which is a frustration currently), but fundamentally the difference between yesterday and those equivalent performances under Kompany was the fact Kompany had more quality in that 3 ahead of Cullen and Brownhill and behind the striker, and he also had more pace and attacking intent to augment the attack from full back. I'm not convinced that Jay and Flemming (too samey) or Flemming and Hountondji would have altered that. If I'm bring critical of the starting set up yesterday it was that was that Humphrys was an unnecessary insurance policy and we needed Pires' greater creativity, and we once again didn't try and get Koleosho in behind either into goalscoring positions or high wide crossing positions.

We certainly needed more creativity, but the various players who might have added that are injured.

Well like I said, it’s not necessarily about the numbers. Flemming is not a lone striker, especially not in our system as he has no pace and we seem to try our best to isolate him. We know he’s better either behind a striker or with a partner up top so let’s play to his strengths.

We needed more creativity but we stifled our creative player ourselves.

[claretspice]

Flemming isn't ideally a lone striker but it can work if we get runners up and beyond him. Anthony did that yesterday, but he's not quite of the required quality. Koleosho didn't enough and I'm not sure if that was tactical or just his lack of instinct (when Flemming looped a shot wide, Koleosho should have been in a position to be slipped through 1 v 1 but he recognised the opportunity a fraction too late). The pitch map above shows he was basically on average 5 yards too deep and if he and the left back press that bit further up I think we'd have looked been more effective.

But for all that the elephant in the room here is injuries. Foster has had his struggles this season but if he's fit he plays ahead of Flemming in this sort if game in the set up you envisage. But the other striking options aren't really credible, and we badly lack the craft Tresor, Ramsey and Redmond would add. Even Sarmiento had he been fit would have given us an extra bit of guile yesterday. We're essentially down to the bare bones in the front 4 positions.

[cblantfanclub]

"But for all that the elephant in the room here is injuries."

Spot on Parker playing with a very limited hand.

[Murger]

"But for all that the elephant in the room here is injuries."

Spot on Parker playing with a very limited hand.

Nonsense. How much better did we look at Hull when he brought on a striker and dropped Flemming back into his number 10 position?
We have 2 strikers on the bench (admittedly, not brilliant ones). So there’s no excuse to be playing with 3 centre mids at home. And playing a non attacking left back ahead of Pires is another head scratcher.

[quoonbeatz]

I’ll take some convincing that yesterday’s squad is a ‘very limited hand’ compared with QPR’s.

[kentonclaret]

At Fulham Parker could call upon the services of Mitrovic for goals and whilst at Bournemouth Dominic Solanke. The Brentford team beaten by Parker’s Fulham in the Play Off Final at Wembley could call upon the attacking resources of Ollie Watkins, Brian Mbuemo and Said Benrahma. None of the strikers currently on Burnley’s books or at any of the clubs currently playing in the Championship have attacking players to match that quality of finishing. Hence why Brownhill currently sits in joint 3rd place with 5 goals. This is a low scoring Championship with sides managing to eke out wins by the narrowest of margins.

[Spike]

Support him rather than sack him would be a better idea

[JMU81]

One of the better fishing trips on here......well played

[Robbie_painter]

I know you and others are a bit miffed at the minute but come on lol

I remember a certain season where Chris Waddle was in charge and we didn’t see a goal at home for 5-6 games

The highlight of those first games was that we hit the post once !!

A bit of perspective sometimes helps

UTC

You’re probably right,it’s not just us I’m struggling to watch think it’s football in general.

[fanzone]

I get the feeling it’s not only me that is absolutely bored to tears with the football on show this season.

[The Shire Claret]

I get the feeling it’s not only me that is absolutely bored to tears with the football on show this season.

I’m pretty sure you will be in the huge minority of fans that want to ‘sack him now’

[warksclaret]

Any cries to sack Parker remind me of Watford the season we recently won the Championship. Watford by virtue of the league table had had a good start including one of only 3 teams to beat us that season. Edwards got sacked after about 10 games, moved to Luton where from a lowish start he got them promotion and Watford succeeded in sliding down the table. People really need to think before such rash statements

[Row x]

I get the feeling it’s not only me that is absolutely bored to tears with the football on show this season.

You're part of a very small, vocal minority, even on here.

[AlargeClaret]

Personally I think Parker’s doing an excellent job . Were a close up 2nd , and clearly a quality champ side . Let’s not forget he had half the squad sold after he signed and the injury list is a painful one . When a team literally parks the bus and we’re devoid of strikers , it was always gonna be a grind to break through .

[warksclaret]

If we can stay in the promotion hunt until the window and I think Alan Pace needs to support Parker with several quality signings, after the terrible hand he was dealt this August.. These can be accommodated in our squad by moving out several of our centre halves (we have 7 of them). Then I think we will have the ability to score more goals and convert 0-0 results into wins

[Stonehouse]

If we can stay in the promotion hunt until the window and I think Alan Pace needs to support Parker with several quality signings, after the terrible hand he was dealt this August.. These can be accommodated in our squad by moving out several of our centre halves (we have 7 of them). Then I think we will have the ability to score more goals and convert 0-0 results into wins

He’s got to be signing players that can play in the Premier League because if they’re only Championship standard we’ll have to start all over again in the summer if we manage to go up.

[Darnhill Claret]

If like QPR, you haven't had a clean sheet previously, you spend your game preparation trying to solve that problem. So for QPR, job done. A lot of their defending resulted in contributing to the high corner count.When we chose to take a touch it helped them to block our shots. When you play against a crowded penalty area you have to hammer some crosses in between knee high and shoulder high, looking for favourable deflections. We didn't make it difficult enough for their defenders. We needed more variety. We did better at getting into their penalty area, but just got crowded out. Frustrating, disappointing, but just another bump in the road.

[Commy]

Did Oxford suddenly decide to play open football against Sunderland because Sunderland managed to score two against them. They play at a higher tempo than us so find spaces when teams sit back. We are too slow which allows the opposition to get, and stay, in shape. When we start playing at a higher tempo we look dangerous. I know he changed the shape against Hull but we played at a much higher tempo and started to create chances. If we had started like that against QPR we would probably have scored and forced them out.

[She]

Who?

Think he meant Ten Hag

[Mattster]

I’ll take some convincing that yesterday’s squad is a ‘very limited hand’ compared with QPR’s.

Think this QPR fan puts it quite well.

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https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/ ... news/63224

[Murger]

Think this QPR fan puts it quite well.

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https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/ ... news/63224

Cannot argue with that.

[NewClaret]

Average positions make it out as a 2-3-5 shape, but yeah could see it your way too. Probably needed Brownhill playing past Flemming more often.

Interesting diagram

I would say the formation is 2-3-4-1 but when they all push against the back line it does look 2-3-5, I agree. I’m glad we’re back to inverting the full backs but would prefer to see Pires on the left.

Do you have any from a Kompany performance in the Championship? My guess on main differences would be: Muric more advanced than Trafford, the wingers far wider? I do wonder whether the wingers coming in more is meaning we’re not making the pitch wide enough/creating the spaces we need to.

[NewClaret]

Think this QPR fan puts it quite well.

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https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/ ... news/63224

“Stop waving it around and start ****ing”

Got to say, I’m all behind Parker, but you can’t help agree with that assessment.

[burnley007]

It’s an absolute insult to compare this side to one of the finest Championship sides this country has seen.

Using yesterdays game (which Parker said was our best performance of the season) then comparing it with our worst performances under Kompany is disingenuous and deluding yourself to pretend we’re seeing a similar thing.

I absolutely agree.

Comparing anything the tedious Parker does to Kompany is insulting.

Parker will not be poached by a top European side. It will be more about how long he lasts until Pace finally accepts that he dropped a ballock on this appointment and we move on from the whole tedious affair.

[bumba]

I absolutely agree.

Comparing anything the tedious Parker does to Kompany is insulting.

Parker will not be poached by a top European side. It will be more about how long he lasts until Pace finally accepts that he dropped a ballock on this appointment and we move on from the whole tedious affair.

I'm pretty sure Pace won't be thinking he's dropped a bollock by appointing a manager that has us sat 2nd in the table keeping clean sheets and dominating games.
Maybe it's just your opinion of Parker that is tedious and is the reason you don't want him at the club.

[burnley007]

Think this QPR fan puts it quite well.

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https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/ ... news/63224

How long will this go on for?

Other clubs are sick of him and they only have to sit through his sleep-inducing, safety-first, negative, anti-football twice a season. We have to sit through it every week, on a bad week it's 3 games... zzz

[Quicknick]

I absolutely agree.

Comparing anything the tedious Parker does to Kompany is insulting.

Parker will not be poached by a top European side. It will be more about how long he lasts until Pace finally accepts that he dropped a ballock on this appointment and we move on from the whole tedious affair.

And Parker won't be sacked by a top European club.

[boatshed bill]

I always enjoy a nice succinct report.

[Caballo]

Playing like we're trying to retain our Prem status, we need to get there first! The quality in this league is bobbins, demonstrated by the fact that we're playing with absolutely no ambition whatsoever and we've somehow found ourselves in third place.

Said that at the begining of the month, not seen anything to change my view, except we're now second. It's another 100 point season for anyone that wants it and has the quality. We have the quality!

[Bowclaret]

My view is the fans that booed on Saturday are pathetic !

We have a young new team, short of a striker admittedly, and a Manager who had the rug pulled from beneath him after two games.

We are second in the league, THATS RIGHT, Second ! Not second to bottom !

A chap that sits behind us is 70 and hardly missed a game and he said he’s had enough of the so called supporters moaning and groaning
And won’t return this season now - such a shame !

What is it ? 6 clean sheets in the last 7 games ? A full team out injured and some wonderful players, Esteve, Koleosho, Trafford etc.

Might just be an idea to BACK our young, up coming team and a Manager who been there and done it ! Or maybe just stay away - just a thought !

[Murger]

My view is the fans that booed on Saturday are pathetic !

We have a young new team, short of a striker admittedly, and a Manager who had the rug pulled from beneath him after two games.

We are second in the league, THATS RIGHT, Second ! Not second to bottom !

A chap that sits behind us is 70 and hardly missed a game and he said he’s had enough of the so called supporters moaning and groaning
And won’t return this season now - such a shame !

What is it ? 6 clean sheets in the last 7 games ? A full team out injured and some wonderful players, Esteve, Koleosho, Trafford etc.

Might just be an idea to BACK our young, up coming team and a Manager who been there and done it ! Or maybe just stay away - just a thought !

I bet it took some doing to not mention the Orient game. I mean what is it with people like you? Where do you get off telling people how they should react?
I didn’t boo, but this Southgate-esque brand of football is mind numbing. If people want to boo, then they have every right too.

[Row x]

I bet it took some doing to not mention the Orient game. I mean what is it with people like you? Where do you get off telling people how they should react?
I didn’t boo, but this Southgate-esque brand of football is mind numbing. If people want to boo, then they have every right too.

Are you referring to the same orient match that fans now sing about every game?

[Murger]

Are you referring to the same orient match that fans now sing about every game?

Well you only seen to qualify as a proper fan if you watched that particular match. And if you didn’t and you don’t like what’s being served up, then it’s go and support someone else.

[Row x]

Well you only seen to qualify as a proper fan if you watched that particular match. And if you didn’t and you don’t like what’s being served up, then it’s go and support someone else.

What's a "proper"fan?

I wouldn't tell anyone to support another club, but if something is causing so much disgust, heartache, hatred etc etc, why would you keep doing it?

[NewClaret]

Well you only seen to qualify as a proper fan if you watched that particular match. And if you didn’t and you don’t like what’s being served up, then it’s go and support someone else.

It’s funny because I’ve never see anyone claim anywhere that you need to have watched the Orient game to be a proper fan.

I have heard that we’ve had it far worse in times gone by and by contrast today’s problems are somewhat insignificant. Which is probably just because they are.

[CoolClaret]

The irony, you felt it was right sacking Kompany because he wasn’t winning games in the league above every week. Crying every week like an entitled brat.

So now Parker has some credit in the bank for being 2nd in the league after 11/12 games but Kompanys credit ran out very fast after 101 points and a league title?

You’re only pretending to support this guff because you cried so much about Kompany. Refuse to be wrong.

Here we go, binary man that doesn't appreciate any type of nuance with his bizarre black & white, hysterical thinking about a situation lashes out once again...

I didn't once say sack VK; if you can find evidence to the contrary, then be my guest. I said that he's had a golden opportunity, backed to the hilt and was vastly underperforming whilst making bizarre decisions - namely in ostracising players and doing things that you just don't do after achieving promotion.

I'm giving this time because we're second, have a ton of injuries, and SP has been dealt a rather poor hand that I think he's managing extremely well.

[fanzone]

Absolutely awful today. It’s getting worse

[IanMcL]

Van Nistelrooy available soon?