Next manager

[warksclaret]

In Scotty we trust. He is owed badly in the January transfer window and Pace & Williams and the recruitment team need to pull several rabbits out of the hat, and just as important resist any offers for our first team players

[Silkyskills1]

Because its the constant disrespect hes showing to the manager. Yes hes entitled to his opinion but not every day …

Eh? Do you have certain days in mind?

[Stonehouse]

In Scotty we trust. He is owed badly in the January transfer window and Pace & Williams and the recruitment team need to pull several rabbits out of the hat, and just as important resist any offers for our first team players

Said on a previous post that the big problem is going to be when they recruit are they recruiting to get us promoted ,or are they having to push the boat and pay more for guys that are good enough for the Premier League because at the moment this squad is inadequately equipped with anyone good enough if we go up.

[Rowls]

Our first two games told us what SP would be like as manager and then the rug was pulled from under him.
The Sunderland result looks a lot better given how well they are doing and the Heath Robinson team we put together for that game.

That's the hope.

The fear is the first two games were a classic case of new manager bounce and what we've seen since is closer to the "Real Parker".

Time will tell.

[helmclaret]

The first two games showed us what he is capable of with good players.

It’s a totally different squad now.

Get behind him and stop the bloody moaning!

[Casper2]

The only thing tedious is this thread. It's all that's so wrong in football, wanting a manager, who was dealt a shocking hand, gone after twelve games.

Dealt a shocking hand ? He knew exactly what he was taking on .

[NewClaret]

Dealt a shocking hand ? He knew exactly what he was taking on .

Yes, quite right. Which says a lot about his character, in my opinion.

He’s not complaining about it. The only complaints are on here.

[123EasyasBFC]

Hopefully burnley007 has been banned now for yet another post about getting Parker out

[Blyclaret]

Eh? Do you have certain days in mind?

Eh?

[Vegas Claret]

we really need a dislike button

[pushpinpussy]

we are Burnley FC. We are known for giving our managers a chance. We don’t want a sacking culture as managers know if they come to us they will be given time and that is a good selling point. Give the guy a break. Yes the football is a bit dull but we are second in the league ffs. Let’s get all these quality players back and maybe add a few in January and let’s see where we are and what the football is like then.

[Vegas Claret]

Dealt a shocking hand ? He knew exactly what he was taking on .

I think not, even the board didn't expect the exodus - the plan was 5 or 6 to go not a huge part of the entire quad. Agents.

[BigChaCha]

ClaretTony wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:15 am
The only thing tedious is this thread. It's all that's so wrong in football, wanting a manager, who was dealt a shocking hand, gone after twelve games.

I agree he needs more time, but most managers in this league would rip off their right arm to be dealt the hand Parker has been dealt! We spent more on one midfielder than most spent on their entire transfer window budget and spent far more overall than any other team, even Leeds!

No other team inherited the best central defender in the league in Estève, with such a solid team in general or the fantastic team that gave us a head start before the change in the team. Yes, he has had to adapt to a turnaround, but look deeper, and we were not the only team having to rebuild.

Parker is the most privileged manager in the league in terms of spending, the team he inherited, the structure of the club, the backing, the money available and probably the training facilities as well so let's not feel too sorry for him

[Mattster]

Even I, one of Parker's biggest critics think it's too soon to be talking of sacking him.

But this idea that he's been dealt a really bad hand is ridiculous. This QPR fan put it quite simply in his match report

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There's no excuses in the playing staff for the dire performance in the final third.

[bumba]

Even I, one of Parker's biggest critics think it's too soon to be talking of sacking him.

But this idea that he's been dealt a really bad hand is ridiculous. This QPR fan put it quite simply in his match report

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There's no excuses in the playing staff for the dire performance in the final third.

Yes and that's exactly why those eplayers had 20+ attempts, 75% and dominated the game. Unfortunately Parker can't do anything about players missing sitters

[Mattster]

Yes and that's exactly why those eplayers had 20+ attempts, 75% and dominated the game. Unfortunately Parker can't do anything about players missing sitters

Behave. There wasn't a single "sitter" in that game. We created no significant chances because of Parker's tactics. As was the case against Plymouth, Preston and Portsmouth.

[bumba]

Behave. There wasn't a single "sitter" in that game. We created no significant chances because of Parker's tactics. As was the case against Plymouth, Preston and Portsmouth.

We scored two goals against Portsmouth so that's a blatant lie.
Humphreys missed a free header from 7 yards out that's a sitter in my book.
Roberts and Anthony were denied by last ditch blocks after some great one touch football cut QPR open.
Laurent had a great chance from a corner and got caught in two minds, Flemming and Humphreys again the second half had headers they should have done better with.
Stop making stuff up.

[Blyclaret]

There is a smug air of expectancy with some fans on here thinking we are the big I am.
Remind urself sometime of who and what we actually are. Top half Championship lower premier league team
We are not Man City or Liverpool. Enjoy supporting our team and not wishing ur life away on new manager will get us into top 4.

[Quicknick]

The only thing tedious is this thread. It's all that's so wrong in football, wanting a manager, who was dealt a shocking hand, gone after twelve games.

I couldn't agree more, Tony. Well posted.

[Mattster]

We scored two goals against Portsmouth so that's a blatant lie.
Humphreys missed a free header from 7 yards out that's a sitter in my book.
Roberts and Anthony were denied by last ditch blocks after some great one touch football cut QPR open.
Laurent had a great chance from a corner and got caught in two minds, Flemming and Humphreys again the second half had headers they should have done better with.
Stop making stuff up.

None of those were "sitters", none of those were significant chances - the closest IMO would be the Humphreys header but I wouldn't consider it one and neither would the xG (0.06). It was also a corner, so not an open play chance created - just a set piece. Anthony's and Roberts' shots were blocked by defenders, if the defenders weren't there you could say they were significant chances but the defender was there. So they weren't.

The goals against Portsmouth were from outside the box with multiple defenders between the ball and the net - just because the shot went in doesn't make it a significant chance Bauress scored from the centre circle for the U21s a couple of weeks back, that (and thus all shots from the centre circle) was a significant chance because it went in, yeah?

[claretonthecoast1882]

None of those were "sitters", none of those were significant chances - the closest IMO would be the Humphreys header but I wouldn't consider it one and neither would the xG (0.06). It was also a corner, so not an open play chance created - just a set piece. Anthony's and Roberts' shots were blocked by defenders, if the defenders weren't there you could say they were significant chances but the defender was there. So they weren't.

The goals against Portsmouth were from outside the box with multiple defenders between the ball and the net - just because the shot went in doesn't make it a significant chance Bauress scored from the centre circle for the U21s a couple of weeks back, that (and thus all shots from the centre circle) was a significant chance because it went in, yeah?

Do you attend games ?

I have never once spoke to anyone either half time or in the pub after and heard anyone talk about XG of any amount let alone someone going ah it was only 0.06. Everyone knows you have a massive dislike of Parker and wanted him gone before he was appointed but it doesn't mean you have post anything you can to get a dig in at him, it becomes very tiresome.

It is more dull than newcastles long agenda against Brownhill, I suppose the one positive is he seems to leave Brownhill alone these days so we may get lucky twice.

[bumba]

None of those were "sitters", none of those were significant chances - the closest IMO would be the Humphreys header but I wouldn't consider it one and neither would the xG (0.06). It was also a corner, so not an open play chance created - just a set piece. Anthony's and Roberts' shots were blocked by defenders, if the defenders weren't there you could say they were significant chances but the defender was there. So they weren't.

The goals against Portsmouth were from outside the box with multiple defenders between the ball and the net - just because the shot went in doesn't make it a significant chance Bauress scored from the centre circle for the U21s a couple of weeks back, that (and thus all shots from the centre circle) was a significant chance because it went in, yeah?

I'd consider anything that ends up as a goal as beyond significant, corners are there to still create a chance, we worked on that set piece we'd tried it a few times then got it right with runners pulling defenders away and a defender being blocked off to allow Humphreys a free header but he missed his head and it hit his shoulder, I don't care what XG says a free header 7 yards out is a sitter.
The defenders got back to defend brilliantly remember when we used to praise Tarks and Mee for the same thing? We praised the defending but now because you dislike Parker it's all our own fault.
Cooks defending to block Roberts from scoring was incredible, which shown in the way even our players acknowledged Cook straight away.
Likewise the defending to block Anthony's attempts, the football in the build up was fast one touch football.

[Mattster]

Do you attend games ?

I have never once spoke to anyone either half time or in the pub after and heard anyone talk about XG of any amount let alone someone going ah it was only 0.06. Everyone knows you have a massive dislike of Parker and wanted him gone before he was appointed but it doesn't mean you have post anything you can to get a dig in at him, it becomes very tiresome.

It is more dull than newcastles long agenda against Brownhill, I suppose the one positive is he seems to leave Brownhill alone these days so we may get lucky twice.

Yes I attend games, mentioning xG doesn't mean I don't watch football and just I look at a spreadsheet afterwards to make up my mind up about things. I said I didn't consider it a significant chance and that the xG backed that up. I didn't look at the xG first, I checked it afterwards.

Maybe you just find numbers scary or something? But I'm quite capable of watching football and also looking at stats - amazing, right?

It's funny the stick you get for mentioning a stat. "Urgh, no one down t'pub talks about xG!" What a standard to judge something by

After the Leeds game, from watching the matches and looking at the stats, I posted on here and on Twitter that our goalscoring wasn't sustainable and got slated, personal insults, the lot. Well, surprise surprise it wasn't sustainable - we've scored 6 goals in the last 7 games where not one of those games was against a team in the top half of the table (3 are in the bottom 4). I saw this coming because I watched the games and looked at the stats.

Now I'm not saying I want Parker sacked, I've literally said the exact opposite a couple of posts back, but we need to improve at creating proper goalscoring chances. Do you disagree?

[kentonclaret]

That's the hope.

The fear is the first two games were a classic case of new manager bounce and what we've seen since is closer to the "Real Parker".

Time will tell.

The first two games featured at least 6 players who are no longer at the club, several of them involved directly in scoring or assisting. A tiring Foster left the field to be replaced by Weghorst. Vitinho left the field to be replaced by Gudmondson. Amdouni also featured heavily in those first 2 victories. None of these options available to Parker now including Foster who spends more time on the treatment table than on the pitch.

[Mattster]

I'd consider anything that ends up as a goal as beyond significant,

Cool, then let's just shoot from the centre circle all the time, yeah?

[Mattster]

The first two games featured at least 6 players who are no longer at the club, several of them involved directly in scoring or assisting. A tiring Foster left the field to be replaced by Weghorst. Vitinho left the field to be replaced by Gudmondson. Amdouni also featured heavily in those first 2 victories. None of these options available to Parker now including Foster who spends more time on the treatment table than on the pitch.

Did amazingly to have that kind of impact when he wasn't even on the bench vs. Luton

[bumba]

Cool, then let's just shoot from the centre circle all the time, yeah?

If it ended up as a goal everytime I'd be happy with that, wouldn't you be happy with Burnley scoring?

[Mattster]

If it ended up as a goal everytime I'd be happy with that, wouldn't you be happy with Burnley scoring?

The point I'm making is literally that it doesn't end up a goal everytime (/frequently) and as such it's not a significant chance.

If you can't understand something as simple as that then I'm done engaging with you.

[kentonclaret]

Yes I attend games, mentioning xG doesn't mean I don't watch football and just I look at a spreadsheet afterwards to make up my mind up about things. I said I didn't consider it a significant chance and that the xG backed that up. I didn't look at the xG first, I checked it afterwards.

Maybe you just find numbers scary or something? But I'm quite capable of watching football and also looking at stats - amazing, right?

It's funny the stick you get for mentioning a stat. "Urgh, no one down t'pub talks about xG!" What a standard to judge something by

After the Leeds game, from watching the matches and looking at the stats, I posted on here and on Twitter that our goalscoring wasn't sustainable and got slated, personal insults, the lot. Well, surprise surprise it wasn't sustainable - we've scored 6 goals in the last 7 games where not one of those games was against a team in the top half of the table (3 are in the bottom 4). I saw this coming because I watched the games and looked at the stats.

Now I'm not saying I want Parker sacked, I've literally said the exact opposite a couple of posts back, but we need to improve at creating proper goalscoring chances. Do you disagree?

Create as many chances as you want the simple fact remains that we lack a clinical finisher at this level capable of scoring 20+ goals. I seldom look at xG but I posted after the Leeds game that 1-0 had better be a scoreline get used to because they will be seeing it quite often throughout the season. Obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse that we lack forward players with a clinical eye for goal.

[Mattster]

Create as many chances as you want the simple fact remains that we lack a clinical finisher at this level capable of scoring 20+ goals. I seldom look at xG but I posted after the Leeds game that 1-0 had better be a scoreline get used to because they will be seeing it quite often throughout the season. Obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse that we lack forward players with a clinical eye for goal.

The simple fact is we don't create many chances. Ignoring the first 2 matches we've scored 8 goals from 9.5xG. That's an underperformance in terms of finishing but not a big one. It's a massive underperformance on chance creation though. We don't know if we lack forward players with a clinical eye for goal because we barely get any of them in a position to prove it either way.

Our xG per shot is 3rd worst in the league because we're shooting from bad positions/long range or when there's defenders blocking the way.

Until we start creating some actual chances a clinical striker would make little difference because they wouldn't get the chances to be clinical. If we're going to play like this all season then someone like Whittaker would be better than a clinical striker as he has the ability/knack of scoring low quality chances from range.

[Cornwallclaret]

It’s going to be Pep.. he turned down England in favour of managing Burnley next season, ready for his new challenge regardless of which division we’re in ….. yep it’s a ridiculous notion just like this thread is

[BigGaz]

I have nothing to add other than the fact that I have never heard anyone in real life discuss xG. It is one of the biggest markers of being perennially online in terms of football discussions because I am convinced it is still (thankfully) socially unacceptable.

I am convinced that only one person has floated it, ever:

"Oh such and such is only outputting 0.06 xG"

"**** up, nerd"

And that was the end of that.

I think that just like it's easy to hide behind anonymous accounts and post abuse nowadays, equally it's easy to hide behind a username and post stuff about xG because if people knew who you were in real life you simply wouldn't do it.

So In that respect, I just want to tell you that in some instances Bullying and victimisation is ok, particularly cyver-bullying.

We need to round up these dweebs and bring the hammer down on this xG chat. Its woke nonsense, it doesn't belong here, and we need to be attaching a stigma to it. Step up your game everyone.

[daveisaclaret]

To be fair, I've never heard anyone discuss in real life how much they love bullying and victimisation.

[gandhisflipflop]

XG is a load of ********.

[Mattster]

I have nothing to add other than the fact that I have never heard anyone in real life discuss xG. It is one of the biggest markers of being perennially online in terms of football discussions because I am convinced it is still (thankfully) socially unacceptable.

I am convinced that only one person has floated it, ever:

"Oh such and such is only outputting 0.06 xG"

"**** up, nerd"

And that was the end of that.

I think that just like it's easy to hide behind anonymous accounts and post abuse nowadays, equally it's easy to hide behind a username and post stuff about xG because if people knew who you were in real life you simply wouldn't do it.

So In that respect, I just want to tell you that in some instances Bullying and victimisation is ok, particularly cyver-bullying.

We need to round up these dweebs and bring the hammer down on this xG chat. Its woke nonsense, it doesn't belong here, and we need to be attaching a stigma to it. Step up your game everyone.

Having read that I can honestly say nothing makes me happier than being of the complete opposite opinion / personality than yourself.

Imagine posting that and thinking it reflects well on you. Love it.

[RVclaret]

XG is a load of ********.

It’s really not.

[gandhisflipflop]

It’s really not.

How is XG decided then?

[BigGaz]

Having read that I can honestly say nothing makes me happier than being of the complete opposite opinion / personality than yourself.

Imagine posting that and thinking it reflects well on you. Love it.

If you're the same Mattster that I regularly see on X.com pushing consistently negative "Parker out", pro xG stuff then I have to tell you that I have never been into kink shaming but at this point the levels of humiliation you require for gratification is getting a bit weird.

Cross-platform, literally no one is buying what you are selling and perhaps you should reflect why.

[Mattster]

How is XG decided then?

Love that you posted "xG is a load of *******" when you don't know that

[Mattster]

If you're the same Mattster that I regularly see on X.com pushing consistently negative "Parker out", pro xG stuff then I have to tell you that I have never been into kink shaming but at this point the levels of humiliation you require for gratification is getting a bit weird.

Cross-platform, literally no one is buying what you are selling and perhaps you should reflect why.

This is a whole lot of words from you across 2 posts to say you are scared of numbers. Keep it coming.

[gandhisflipflop]

Love that you posted "xG is a load of *******" when you don't know that

It was a question designed to make a point. Keep up.

[Mattster]

It was a question designed to make a point. Keep up.

Go on then. You define it and say why it's ********.

[gandhisflipflop]

Go on then. You define it and say why it's ********.

You already know what it is, and have your opinion on it but the reason why I believe it is ******** is because it does not account for game plans within a match, and there are far too many dynamics involved that are not taken into consideration when defining an expected goal. Is the player just coming back from an injury and feeling pain at that moment for example.

Some people will just see an XG of 3.0 against a 0.5 and instantly think the 0.5 have played badly, when in actual fact the game plan worked to perfection.

It’s just another example of statisticalisation (if that’s a word) of football. Call me old fashioned, but I’d sooner base an opinion off my eyes at the game. Far too many people are in jobs because of this nonsense and rely far too much on it.

Imagine Peter Taylor (cloughy era) referring to XG.

[Mattster]

Is the player just coming back from an injury and feeling pain at that moment for example.

Hilarious. Genuinely creasing from that.

Some people will just see an XG of 3.0 against a 0.5 and instantly think the 0.5 have played badly, when in actual fact the game plan worked to perfection.

Well yeah, that's using it wrong. If someone is parroting single game sum of xG and providing no context then they don't understand it.

If you understand it and watch the matches then it can be really useful and a good indicator/predictor of performances. Hence how I was able to predict exactly what has happened over the last 7 games after the Leeds, to great derision by the "xG nerds don't know football like the man down the pub does" crowd (amongst others).

[louieollie]

Dealt a shocking hand ? He knew exactly what he was taking on .

Absolute ******** he knew!, the rug was well and truly pulled from under him. But don't let that spoil your agenda fella!

[gandhisflipflop]

Hilarious. Genuinely creasing from that.




I bet you aren’t sat there ‘genuinely creasing’ though are you?

Either way. It’s a valid point. Not that any of the points are designed to change anyones mind though.

[Mattster]

On no planet is "xG doesn't take into account whether a player is in a bit of pain" a valid point

[Petersa]

For everyone having a dip at Scott Parker please ask yourselves this question

"As the whistle blew to start the season at Luton in August would you have been happy after 12 games for Burnley to be second in the table?"

[Blyclaret]

For everyone having a dip at Scott Parker please ask yourselves this question

"As the whistle blew to start the season at Luton in August would you have been happy after 12 games for Burnley to be second in the table?"

Yes i would for sure but the muppets on here think we should play like Man City romp the championship then finish in top 4 in premier and be playing champion league next year.

[Mattster]

For everyone having a dip at Scott Parker please ask yourselves this question

"As the whistle blew to start the season at Luton in August would you have been happy after 12 games for Burnley to be second in the table?"

It is possible to be both happy with the results and position in the table and recognise that neither is sustainable if we continue to perform as we currently are.