Parker - In or Out

[Wile E Coyote]

the very idea that we'd get rid of a manager so soon is utterly insane.
No Fault of Scott Parker that the team arent battering every opponent each game.
Its like someone emptying a bag of oddments onto a table and presenting it to someone and telling them to make something from the assorted pieces. that's the analogy Id make.
Pointless to have same fans bemoaning the loss of players we had to endure, then attributing blame on the new man who is expected to work miracles with whats left over.Give the lad a fair chance and stop being so quick to criticise.

[ClaretTony]

Why?

Why give him a chance but we can ask for Kompany out after 13 PL games? Kompany had achieved something Parker could only dream of for this club yet that wasn’t even enough credit in the bank.

I don’t think anyone wanted Kompany out after 13 games last season.

And I think it would be absolutely ridiculous to change manager at this point in time.

[ClaretTony]

the very idea that we'd get rid of a manager so soon is utterly insane.
No Fault of Scott Parker that the team arent battering every opponent each game.
Its like someone emptying a bag of oddments onto a table and presenting it to someone and telling them to make something from the assorted pieces. that's the analogy Id make.
Pointless to have same fans bemoaning the loss of players we had to endure, then attributing blame on the new man who is expected to work miracles with whats left over.Give the lad a fair chance and stop being so quick to criticise.

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[Murger]

the very idea that we'd get rid of a manager so soon is utterly insane.
No Fault of Scott Parker that the team arent battering every opponent each game.
Its like someone emptying a bag of oddments onto a table and presenting it to someone and telling them to make something from the assorted pieces. that's the analogy Id make.
Pointless to have same fans bemoaning the loss of players we had to endure, then attributing blame on the new man who is expected to work miracles with whats left over.Give the lad a fair chance and stop being so quick to criticise.

Of course it’s Parker’s fault we are set up to bore the life out of everyone in the stadium.

[Jakubs Tash]

the very idea that we'd get rid of a manager so soon is utterly insane.
No Fault of Scott Parker that the team arent battering every opponent each game.

Nobody is asking for or expecting us to “batter every opponent”. We’d just like to see the team have a proper go. Test the opposition goalkeeper. Play some positive football. That’s all.

Your analogy is very extreme by the way. Way more extreme than fans wanting Parker gone. He’s spent a fortune assembling the squad and has had plenty of time to get the team firing…..or at least having a shot on target. The games get gradually worse - as we should be cranking things up and applying pressure they get even more desperate and nothing of note happens.

[Boss Hogg]

I could see VK needed to go after 10 games last season although most couldn’t. In this case it’s ridiculous as Parker has had the rug pulled from beneath him a bit but he must change this negative play and set us up differently. Today was truly abysmal and we should have killed off the QPR and Preston teams. Continue to play like today and we will struggle to make the play offs for sure.

[BabylonClaret]

7 of VKs starting squad were established PL players. Only Brownhill of the current squad has more than one PL season under his belt other than Jay Rod who is 35.

In VKs squad, the club added to the 7 PL players a player who was good enough to play for a team that won the Bundesliga last season and one who played in the Champions league final.

There is absolutely no comparison between the two squads. None whatsoever.

Agreed. Plus some of those current squad are injured. Kompanys squad was better. If this current side had Tella we would be top.

[Bosscat]

Parker is doing a cracking job

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[Swizzlestick]

Kompany had the foresight to sign Tella though. It wasn't some coup of a signing, his record before coming to us was underwhelming at Southampton. Few eyebrows raised. Parker has signed Anthony and Sarmiento.

[basil6345789]

For the first 2 games of the season, with his original players, Parker played mega-attacking football.

[Devils_Advocate]

Its like someone emptying a bag of oddments onto a table and presenting it to someone and telling them to make something from the assorted pieces. that's the analogy Id make.

Trafford, Roberts, Esteve, Egan-Riley, Cullen, Brownhill, Koleosho, Benson, Rodrigues and Foster are pretty good bag of oddments to be presented at this level of football and then to have £30m to add to it doesn't sound bad to me.

I think Parker deserves more time but he has been given a squad that should be seriously challenging for top two and comfortably in the play offs and has been given a starting squad most Championship managers could only dream of.

Need to see some big improvements in the next 4 or 5 games otherwise his position does become questionable

[Cirrus_Minor]

Since the (mainly Dyche) season when we were relagated; for the following 3 seasons we have removed players and replaced with worse. The squad is now a pale shadow of our established Premier league squad. The constant clear outs and renewals is now hurting us. Unless those who are out injured can make a substantial contribution and quickly, I believe we are unlikely to even make the play offs.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

After today the tactics and style have to change or he won’t be here much longer. It’s so dull to watch literally huge parts of games where nothing happens apart from backwards and sideways passing. The Luton game seems like a life time ago.

[Alan Young]

This squad (at present) clearly isn’t good enough to dominate the division.

I was amazed Parker chose to start Hountondji over Jay today but realistically that’s not a choice he should even have to make considering we’ve just dropped out of the PL.

I’m hoping we can limp to January still in touch and then dramatically improve what we’ve got but it’s still a lot to ask. I’m not particularly a Parker fan but it’s grossly unfair to suggest he should be the one to suffer for what he’s dealing with.

[CoolClaret]

Since the (mainly Dyche) season when we were relagated; for the following 3 seasons we have removed players and replaced with worse. The squad is now a pale shadow of our established Premier league squad. The constant clear outs and renewals is now hurting us. Unless those who are out injured can make a substantial contribution and quickly, I believe we are unlikely to even make the play offs.

Also factor in the money that has been funnelled out of the club due to the nature of the takeover. I think the effects of that have started to rear their ugly head.

[Alan Young]

After today the tactics and style have to change or he won’t be here much longer. It’s so dull to watch literally huge parts of games where nothing happens apart from backwards and sideways passing. The Luton game seems like a life time ago.

The Luton game where he had Odobert, Foster, Vitinho, O’Shea, Zaroury and Weghorst at his disposal?

[ClaretMat]

Trafford, Roberts, Esteve, Egan-Riley, Cullen, Brownhill, Koleosho, Benson, Rodrigues and Foster are pretty good bag of oddments to be presented at this level of football and then to have £30m to add to it doesn't sound bad to me.

I think Parker deserves more time but he has been given a squad that should be seriously challenging for top two and comfortably in the play offs and has been given a starting squad most Championship managers could only dream of.

Need to see some big improvements in the next 4 or 5 games otherwise his position does become questionable

I guess the riposte to that would be that currently we are in the mix. There were 20 other players that have left and I think 16 added. Kompany got more or less the summer to finalise his squad.
Parker had a few days.

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

The Luton game where he had Odobert, Foster, Vitinho, O’Shea, Zaroury and Weghorst at his disposal?

That’s the one yes where we played attacking football.

[Gp8419]

For goodness sake, give the bloke a chance

I agree give him a chance.But I read your report after qpr it seemed like you was going down the route of I can’t watch much of this.Its a funny one we are 3 points off the top two but it’s been so bad lately.

[Dark Cloud]

The timing of the "sell off" coming so late in the day made life extremely difficult for everyone at the club and that wasn't really their fault imo. The club were also extremely quick with recruiting replacements and that allayed many of my fears at the time. However, when sorting out those replacements, the lack of emphasis on the attacking threat was pointed out by loads of people on here before the window closed and unsurprisingly it turns out those folks were pretty much spot on. Somebody got that bit very wrong and I don't believe it was Parker. I feel currently he's doing what he can with a limited hand and things could yet go either way. Let's not forget he was without both Foster and Flemming today which is major when you look at our lack of striking options. Yes, his tactics could be more aggressive and tbf players returning from injury might make a positive difference. On the other hand we could be 10th by Christmas. I think we have to stick with the guy until such time as it's basically impossible for us to be getting promoted which might mean March or April. Swapping now would be ridiculous.

[ClaretTony]

I agree give him a chance.But I read your report after qpr it seemed like you was going down the route of I can’t watch much of this.Its a funny one we are 3 points off the top two but it’s been so bad lately.

It’s not good to watch just now Gp8419 but it’s certainly not a situation to be demanding a change of manager. As you said, despite the performances and some results, we are not far away. I’ve seen our club in the past change managers too often and it’s always led to decline. Thankfully, despite the calls from some, we stuck with Dyche in 2013. Surely Parker, or any manager at any club, deserves much longer.

[DCWat]

Despite some turgid displays and looking incapable of creating opportunities, 13 games is too soon, but things need to change pretty sharpish.

The other issue, if we were to get rid of Parker, is that Alan would be doing the recruiting!

[Gp8419]

IN

Not his fault.

As for Pace, that's a different question

What the hell as pace done he backed kompany to the hilt! Then inevitably we had to sell i don’t get It

[DCWat]

What the hell as pace done he backed kompany to the hilt! Then inevitably we had to sell i don’t get It

Don’t you think that there should have been some control, some questioning? We spent a tonne of money on inexperience and had a squad that was blatantly not ready for the premier league and completely imbalanced.

[Devils_Advocate]

I guess the riposte to that would be that currently we are in the mix. There were 20 other players that have left and I think 16 added. Kompany got more or less the summer to finalise his squad.
Parker had a few days.

Parker had plenty of time over the summer as he would have had a very good idea around which players would be leaving and im sure he was forward planning what players he needed to bring in. Yes there was a couple of weeks at the end of the window where he was in an awful position but that was two games and then he had an international break to get his ideas together.

In 2022 the season started on the 29th July and we still hadnt sold McNeil or Cornet and we hadnt yet signed Benson, Zaroury, Tella and Beyer (Vitinho signed the day before the season started) so VK had a couple of weeks where he was juggling a brand new set of players but I never heard any mention of him being dealt a bad hand

I'm not wanting Parker out yet and I think our current position isnt to bad but Parkers had time to work with the squad and if anything we seem to be going backwards.

My main point isn't that we need to get rid of Parker but that this idea he's been dealt a bad hand which I think is nonsense. The week of the Sunderland game was horrendous and I have all the sympathy in the world for Parker around that performance but 4 out of the last 5 games have been pretty dire and I dont think there is any excuse for it

[Alan Young]

That’s the one yes where we played attacking football.

Counter attack with far better players against a team with a high line. Have another look at the goals and game stats.

[KRBFC]

It comes down to what kind of club we want to be. Do we want to change managers every time its not going well? Retrospectively does Dyche get the chance to take us up if we have that kind of model? Changing managers all the time is expensive, and often the grass is always greener.

Parker isn't stupid, knowing what needs fixing and fixing it are two different things. Parker wasn't my choice personally, but he's here now. And for me he at least gets the season to show progress.

So you suggest we tread water for a year because it would be unfair to sack a manager so soon? Fair enough, not sure we can afford to do so personally.

[LincsWoldsClaret]

Yawn.
In

[KRBFC]

I could see VK needed to go after 10 games last season although most couldn’t. In this case it’s ridiculous as Parker has had the rug pulled from beneath him a bit but he must change this negative play and set us up differently. Today was truly abysmal and we should have killed off the QPR and Preston teams. Continue to play like today and we will struggle to make the play offs for sure.

Kompany needed to go 10 games after achieving football and results Parker could only dream of replicating? What a fickle bag of rubbish, you deserve to suffer and endure this current crap.

[Newchurch Claret]

Out, in that sense.

[KlyBfc]

It’s not good to watch just now Gp8419 but it’s certainly not a situation to be demanding a change of manager. As you said, despite the performances and some results, we are not far away. I’ve seen our club in the past change managers too often and it’s always led to decline. Thankfully, despite the calls from some, we stuck with Dyche in 2013. Surely Parker, or any manager at any club, deserves much longer.

This would normally be me. I have often been bemused at fans of clubs whos sides are in the top ten of their leagues changing managers or asking for them to change. But the performances (not so much the results as i dont expect us to win every game especially away) are really relly poor and showing no real
sign of improving. You then listen to his poor excuses and today the fact despite him admitting we had lost our way with the stoppage things got worse in the second half showing an inability to impact the game as it drifted away. I would happily see him leave already.

I just have zero belief he will change the way we play or set up. It seems to be his footballing philosophy.

[scamander]

I've made this point before but there is a wider context to this as it relates to the perception of the club generally. We want to avoid being a club which sacks managers too easily. It's a two way process, we need to show that we will be loyal and back the manager, but also expect progress.

Parker has had a rough time in terms of player overhaul. We are playing dire football and can't score for toffee but that doesn't mean, after 13 games, that we should be knee jerk. Let's not be one of those clubs.

[Jakubclaret]

Don’t you think that there should have been some control, some questioning? We spent a tonne of money on inexperience and had a squad that was blatantly not ready for the premier league and completely imbalanced.

There wasn't much questioning from the fanbase when kompany was allowed to run amok signing all the mouth watering exotic names it was a state of giddy euphoria riding the high of the previous championship campaign. As they say hindsights a wonderful thing. Such was the steadfast belief in kompany back then nothing could go wrong. It's good & well asking questions now but by & large everything was universally endorsed long before then.

[Wile E Coyote]

Trafford, Roberts, Esteve, Egan-Riley, Cullen, Brownhill, Koleosho, Benson, Rodrigues and Foster are pretty good bag of oddments to be presented at this level of football and then to have £30m to add to it doesn't sound bad to me.

I think Parker deserves more time but he has been given a squad that should be seriously challenging for top two and comfortably in the play offs and has been given a starting squad most Championship managers could only dream of.

Need to see some big improvements in the next 4 or 5 games otherwise his position does become questionable

listing players that are regularly given poor assessments on here by Burnley fans hardly gives credence to your point. Barely a week goes by without it being pointed out J Rod has had his day. (not my opinion)
If they aren't up to the job then we wont gain promotion, but ultimately the squad is the squad, and that's what Parker has at his disposal.like it or lump it.

[RalphCoatesComb]

What the hell as pace done he backed kompany to the hilt! Then inevitably we had to sell i don’t get It

Obviously you don't !

[Vincent'sCap]

In, I don't think Pep would get a tune out of this lot he isn't to blame the greedy chairman who had a pre season fire sale is to blame and I suppose hanging around this division for 2 or 3 seasons isn't going to be good for the clubs coffers I see rocky times ahead.

[Devils_Advocate]

listing players that are regularly given poor assessments on here by Burnley fans hardly gives credence to your point. Barely a week goes by without it being pointed out J Rod has had his day. (not my opinion)
If they aren't up to the job then we wont gain promotion, but ultimately the squad is the squad, and that's what Parker has at his disposal.like it or lump it.

The majority of our squad are top quality Championship players so I would suggest that them players regularly performing poorly hints at a problem with how they are being managed. Lets hope Parker tries something fresh and finds a way to get this team performing like it is undoubtedly capable of

[Steve-Harpers-perm]

The problem is he seems to set up worrying about the other team. Maybe he needs to remember that to win a game you have to outscore the opposition.

[nil_desperandum]

And I think it would be absolutely ridiculous to change manager at this point in time.

I agree with that, but I am also one of the many who has said recently that even if we were to play till Christmas we won't score.
If we don't score a goal in November, even if we draw every game, I think the board will have a difficult decision to make.
It's true that he has been left short of strikers, but the way we are set-up we are not even creating chances, and the stats (expected goals etc.) support this.

[ClaretPete001]

Don’t you think that there should have been some control, some questioning? We spent a tonne of money on inexperience and had a squad that was blatantly not ready for the premier league and completely imbalanced.

And I agree with this...!

[DCWat]

There wasn't much questioning from the fanbase when kompany was allowed to run amok signing all the mouth watering exotic names it was a state of giddy euphoria riding the high of the previous championship campaign. As they say hindsights a wonderful thing. Such was the steadfast belief in kompany back then nothing could go wrong. It's good & well asking questions now but by & large everything was universally endorsed long before then.

I’m not suggesting that it was universal disapproval, far from it, but don’t kid yourself that questions weren’t being asked, at the time. They were.

Have you forgotten the debates about the plethora of wingers, the lack of quality at full back, the lack of balance, the lack of Premier League nouse, the amount being spent with seemingly no thought as to the consequences? These questions were being asked before a ball was kicked, but yes, plenty were simply happy to see us spending big.

Pace and co were blinded by the previous season. There was more chance of Champions League football than relegation in their eyes. These decisions and Kompany’s free reign could have long reaching consequences.

[agreenwood]

In, but I’m not sure we’re in a position to let this drift much beyond Christmas if there isn’t a significant improvement.

[123EasyasBFC]

If we actually were to get rid of these Parker but wanted to stay British then the only option for me would be carrick, his Boro team week in week out create so many chances but just don’t finish them off, I’d be confident carrick would get us playing attacking football

[ClaretPete001]

I’m not suggesting that it was universal disapproval, far from it, but don’t kid yourself that questions weren’t being asked, at the time. They were.

Have you forgotten the debates about the plethora of wingers, the lack of quality at full back, the lack of balance, the lack of Premier League nouse, the amount being spent with seemingly no thought as to the consequences? These questions were being asked before a ball was kicked, but yes, plenty were simply happy to see us spending big.

Pace and co were blinded by the previous season. There was more chance of Champions League football than relegation in their eyes. These decisions and Kompany’s free reign could have long reaching consequences.

I think the point was made even in the Championship season that trying to play such open football with young players in the PL would not work particularly as it was always likely to be 1 season too late for Jay Rod, Cork, Barnes and to a lesser extent JBG. And it was going to be hard to land the four loanees.

And we always looked short of firepower for a guaranteed top 2 place this season.

[Jakubclaret]

I’m not suggesting that it was universal disapproval, far from it, but don’t kid yourself that questions weren’t being asked, at the time. They were.

Have you forgotten the debates about the plethora of wingers, the lack of quality at full back, the lack of balance, the lack of Premier League nouse, the amount being spent with seemingly no thought as to the consequences? These questions were being asked before a ball was kicked, but yes, plenty were simply happy to see us spending big.

Pace and co were blinded by the previous season. There was more chance of Champions League football than relegation in their eyes. These decisions and Kompany’s free reign could have long reaching consequences.

What’s gones gone. The questions intensified when the positive results weren’t forthcoming. It’s hardly fair to solely blame 1 person when the fans were actually backing the spending spree. We was all in together but as the seasons health declined the divisions of opinion became disjointed. I can’t remember many people being critically vocal before a ball had been kicked the general consensus was kompany had a steady hand on the tiller.

[taio]

What’s gones gone. The questions intensified when the positive results weren’t forthcoming. It’s hardly fair to solely blame 1 person when the fans were actually backing the spending spree. We was all in together but as the seasons health declined the divisions of opinion became disjointed. I can’t remember many people being critically vocal before a ball had been kicked the general consensus was kompany had a steady hand on the tiller.

There were plenty of people questioning the number of wingers and the lack of balance and experience signed.

[Commy]

The problem is he seems to set up worrying about the other team. Maybe he needs to remember that to win a game you have to outscore the opposition.

I agree with this. We are supposedly better than most of the teams in the division, so why are we playing so negative. Half the time it's like watching walking football.

[Jakubclaret]

There were plenty of people questioning the number of wingers and the lack of balance and experience signed.

Quiet rumblings silenced by many who had clear conviction in kompany.

[ClaretPete001]

What’s gones gone. The questions intensified when the positive results weren’t forthcoming. It’s hardly fair to solely blame 1 person when the fans were actually backing the spending spree. We was all in together but as the seasons health declined the divisions of opinion became disjointed. I can’t remember many people being critically vocal before a ball had been kicked the general consensus was kompany had a steady hand on the tiller.

I said this just as were winning the Championship with over a 100 points that we would struggle to replace the squad in the summer of 2023.

by ClaretPete001 » Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:37 pm

Said all along we need 8 players to replace the rump of the old PL team and to buy/replace the 4 loanees.

If we can keep sign the loanees then reasonably you could expect it to be an evolution rather than a transition but if we can't then I think it will be a challenge to find 8 PL quality players in the summer.

[NL Claret]

Those forwards aren’t good enough. But Parker had enough time (and money) to recruit who he wanted.

Did he have enough time though? A lot of the transfer business was done in the last week of the window, a bit like going to Tesco just they about to shut. These transfer windows don’t help when you have to sell and go and find a replacement with a couple of days to go, and clubs won’t sell without a replacement.

Kompany’s legacy.