Striker search

[NewClaret]

I was just going off this from Florian Plettenberg.

https://x.com/plettigoal/status/1855945 ... 58602?s=46

Interesting, OOC in the summer. Deal to be done?

[Mattster]

JBL would be good. I'm of the school of thought that a new striker makes little difference as we just don't create chances. A winger with the movement of JBL who can provide another runner into goalscoring positions in the box will mean more goalscoring opportunities, for himself and the striker who will have more space as a result.

[Newcastleclaret93]

Re: Charlie Whittaker, oddly enough I was thinking the other day about Jan signings and looked at the PL2 top scorers and his name was top. No idea about him but I’d not be against us signing a young lad doing well in PL2, high on confidence. Could be one of those astute signings.

I agree with you that midfield is probably more of an issue than striker but I think Sarmiento in the 10 helps that. Couple of very ambitious and unlikely options:

McAtee - highly rated by Pep and plays but only odd games. Can’t see him leaving or coming here if he did but mention as he probably knows CJ and Traff. He (or someone of his profile) would be perfect. Goalscoring midfielder good in tight spaces.

Chukwumeka - lost his way at Chelsea, rarely plays even in the conference league games. Chelsea apparently wanting £40 in summer and no takers, quelle surprise. He probably knows Humphreys and if he wants to stay in the UK we might be a decent option.

Mention as you said De Cuyper, who’s probably about as likely, but for me we won’t be going for a LB with Pires in the form he’s in. Think our two best chances yesterday came from his corner for Flemming and cross nobody knocked in. I think it’s an equivalent RB that supports the attack, we need. You know any?

When I saw that Whittaker he just stood out as a player with a bright future ahead. He actually reminded me of Palmer in his style. But again it’s probably a massive risk signing a young lad like that with no pro football behind him and expecting something.

I’ve got an interesting right back shout for you. Alpha sissoko plays for Guinamp. A lot of people will dismiss him straight away because he’s had a bit of a lacklustre career in the French Ligue 1 and Ligue 2 as a right back.

However he’s had a free transfer to guinamp in the summer and they have played him more as a RWB and it seems to have transformed him. He’s now got 7 assists in 12 starts. Probably be relatively cheap and if we were to offer him freedom going forward he could be a nice little wildcard.

[jedi_master]

Just throwing his name in simply because nobody has said him, but if we're not rich enough for the likes of a Carlton Morris etc, what about Mark Harris at Oxford ? Bobbled around a bit and the goals have dried up but he started the season with a bang (think he has 4 or 5) and is only 25. You'd think he'd be a cheap punt if we are not particularly well off.

[KRBFC]

Sick of watching us have corner after corner and never scoring from them. Off the top of my head the only corner we’ve scored from this season was the O’Shea header at Luton.

A big lad like Adebayo or Morris helps with that

[TsarBomba]

I would love Latte Lath. His goal at the weekend against Luton was sublime. Seems to have a bit of everything- size, pace, touch.

Highly doubt we’d push the boat out and/or Boro sell to a promotion rival.

[Blyclaret]

I would love Latte Lath. His goal at the weekend against Luton was sublime. Seems to have a bit of everything- size, pace, touch.

Highly doubt we’d push the boat out and/or Boro sell to a promotion rival.

Is he not from Ivory Coast so will be off playing International football

[Blyclaret]

If we could get Ferguson from Brighton. With Flemming as a10. Would be a strong forward line

[CoolClaret]

I would love Latte Lath. His goal at the weekend against Luton was sublime. Seems to have a bit of everything- size, pace, touch.

Highly doubt we’d push the boat out and/or Boro sell to a promotion rival.

Would have made an energising duo with John Coffee

I'll get my coat...

[CharlieinNewMexico]

Re: Charlie Whittaker, oddly enough I was thinking the other day about Jan signings and looked at the PL2 top scorers and his name was top. No idea about him but I’d not be against us signing a young lad doing well in PL2, high on confidence. Could be one of those astute signings

What a terribly unfortunate name

[Newcastleclaret93]

For anyone that thinks a striker will resolve our issues please look at this.

[NewClaret]

For anyone that thinks a striker will resolve our issues please look at this.

Where is Brownhill on there? Under the “can do a bit of everything” label? I assume so, given he’s scored so many goals?

[RVclaret]

Where is Brownhill on there? Under the “can do a bit of everything” label? I assume so, given he’s scored so many goals?

He’s not on there so highly likely bottom left where there is already a cluster. The chart is looking at attacking output including progressive passing and ball carrying (not goals or assists), and defensive output ball winning (interceptions and tackles). Basically it doesn’t give a perfect picture and individual roles to a team and playing style will affect where someone is positioned, but Hannibal and Laurent are currently our most ‘progressive’ midfielders.

[Dark Cloud]

Whilst feeling it's imperative we're looking at signing at least one out and out striker in January (and not one who will miss loads of games due the ACON) I also think there's a fair point being made regarding our lack of effective and dangerous crossing. I can't help feeling that with JBG playing the last 25 minutes of our "stalemate" games and Jay waiting in the middle he'd have found his head with pinpoint accuracy on numerous occasions.

[NewClaret]

Whilst feeling it's imperative we're looking at signing at least one out and out striker in January (and not one who will miss loads of games due the ACON) I also think there's a fair point being made regarding our lack of effective and dangerous crossing. I can't help feeling that with JBG playing the last 25 minutes of our "stalemate" games and Jay waiting in the middle he'd have found his head with pinpoint accuracy on numerous occasions.

Definitely feel we miss JBG a lot more than anyone discusses. And Vitinho.

Two very bad sales. Would hazard a guess we’d be top had we kept those two.

[Newcastleclaret93]

I keep saying it but a midfielder that can break the lines and carry the ball is crucial to this team.

[NewClaret]

I keep saying it but a midfielder that can break the lines and carry the ball is crucial to this team.

To be fair, Sarmiento has improved how we carry the ball.

[hoosier-daddy]

Definitely feel we miss JBG a lot more than anyone discusses. And Vitinho.

Two very bad sales. Would hazard a guess we’d be top had we kept those two.

Bad sales in what sense? We could hardly have kept JBG with the offer he had.

And we'd still have needed a striker to put the ball in the back of the net.

[Enola Gay]

For anyone that thinks a striker will resolve our issues please look at this.

Tempted to say that a chart labelled 'Championship midfielders for Progressive Actions/Defensive Outputs" which doesn't include the midfielder who's top scorer in our team (and one of the highest-scoring midfielders in the League) isn't worth the pixels it's displayed on.

[get stuck in tracy]

Whilst feeling it's imperative we're looking at signing at least one out and out striker in January (and not one who will miss loads of games due the ACON) I also think there's a fair point being made regarding our lack of effective and dangerous crossing. I can't help feeling that with JBG playing the last 25 minutes of our "stalemate" games and Jay waiting in the middle he'd have found his head with pinpoint accuracy on numerous occasions.

Agree with all that Dark Cloud but it also helps if you have a striker who actually gets on the end of a cross ala Gareth Taylor, however the ball came across he was there.

[NewClaret]

Bad sales in what sense? We could hardly have kept JBG with the offer he had.

And we'd still have needed a striker to put the ball in the back of the net.

Bad sales in the sense we have lost a lot of quality and creativity.

I was going to disagree with you about JBG, but then looked up his salary and it’s listed as $75k pw so I’d agree it’s hard to tell him to turn that down, but he had just resigned, and I’m not one who always thinks you have to do what a player wants if it’s clearly not in the clubs best interests. I also believe contracts should mean something. But JBG probably is a special case given his service. I still we should’ve asked him to stay until Jan, given the attacking quality we lost. That offer would’ve still existed in 3/4 months.

Vitinho maybe wanted out and a good offer but he was setting up goals in a way we haven’t since. Both he and JBG would’ve knuckled down and played if denied moves by the club in my opinion, because they were both good characters.

I don’t agree we need a striker to put the ball in the net, I think we need more creativity from midfield and the wide areas to create more quality chances. JBG and Vitinho would’ve provided that and I’d expect we’d be a minimum 4 points better off as a result, turning two drawers to wins. Maybe a lot more, but definitely top of the league. JBG smashed one in from 25 yards vs Cardiff for example.

[Dark Cloud]

To be fair, Sarmiento has improved how we carry the ball.

I thought he (Sarmiento) tried really hard to do this in the second half on Sunday and it made a real difference.
Also, regarding selling JBG, I guess the club didn't know or realise quite how much we'd miss him when they allowed him to leave in the summer (for the second time). I assume they thought it was excellent business getting a decent fee for a guy who'd only re signed for free a few weeks before and also standing in his way and blocking his move would have seemed petty unfortunately.

[hoosier-daddy]

I don’t agree we need a striker to put the ball in the net, I think we need more creativity from midfield and the wide areas to create more quality chances.

We can agree to disagree on this one.

I'd say the need for a quality striker is as clear as day.

[NewClaret]

We can agree to disagree on this one.

I'd say the need for a quality striker is as clear as day.

A quality striker may help but not unless we actually start creating some chances. They can’t do it all. The XG stats speak for themselves.

Chicken and egg really.

[NewClaret]

I thought he (Sarmiento) tried really hard to do this in the second half on Sunday and it made a real difference.
Also, regarding selling JBG, I guess the club didn't know or realise quite how much we'd miss him when they allowed him to leave in the summer (for the second time). I assume they thought it was excellent business getting a decent fee for a guy who'd only re signed for free a few weeks before and also standing in his way and blocking his move would have seemed petty unfortunately.

I don’t know what we got for him. Like you say, I think after 9 goals in two games we probably thought he was surplus to requirements and our eyes lit up at the prospect of a small fee for a player in his 30’s. If we don’t get promoted though, I’ll always feel that was a very, very costly mistake. Even 2-4 extra points from our games so far could prove costly in the end.

Agree on Sarmiento. We look much better with him in the side.

[Woodleyclaret]

Sarmiento is wasted playing wide push him feeding off Flemming and the goals will flow.The only Luton player I'd have is Alfie Doughty a provider of goal chances.

[warksclaret]

If we dont get a good striker in, a proper No 9 the the club might as well issue a pair of deck chairs to the opposing team's centre halves. Giving the opposition defence a challenging battle is half way to helping create more opportunities. We saw it at Sheff WEd when Flemming made it hard for their defenders

[Newcastleclaret93]

Tempted to say that a chart labelled 'Championship midfielders for Progressive Actions/Defensive Outputs" which doesn't include the midfielder who's top scorer in our team (and one of the highest-scoring midfielders in the League) isn't worth the pixels it's displayed on.

Hi Enola,

That’s because Brownhill is in the most populated area of the graph (he’s in the bottom left quadrant) confirmed by the maker of the graph. They can only show so many names and due to him being in the most populated area his name doesn’t show.

So yes the graph is good. It just shows that Brownhill is probably quite fortunate he started the season with a few goals but since then his output has dropped off a cliff.

I think we can all agree that’s fairly accurate

[CoolClaret]

For anyone that thinks a striker will resolve our issues please look at this.

It certainly supports the idea of starting Hannibal with Laurent...

[morninbob]

Sarmiento is wasted playing wide push him feeding off Flemming and the goals will flow.The only Luton player I'd have is Alfie Doughty a provider of goal chances.

That's where he's played the last 2 games, do you not watch us ?

[Jakubs Tash]

Any Burnley fan that think a striker, who makes striker runs, holds the ball up, brings teammates into play, occupies the defenders and generally adds a threat, doesn’t improve our team needs their head feeling…….

Granted, a couple more creative players and a winger who can control a football and not aimlessly run into opposing players also helps….but a centre forward makes a marked difference to how we can play.

[Elizabeth]

Any Burnley fan that think a striker, who makes striker runs, holds the ball up, brings teammates into play, occupies the defenders and generally adds a threat, doesn’t improve our team needs their head feeling…….

Granted, a couple more creative players and a winger who can control a football and not aimlessly run into opposing players also helps….but a centre forward makes a marked difference to how we can play.

Clearly it is a striker we need. The creative payers are already at the club . Flemming in the right position with Tresor, Redmond and Ramsay supporting with Koleosho and Anthony coming on to show the strength in the squad.
It’s all to play for.

[boatshed bill]

Clearly it is a striker we need. The creative payers are already at the club . Flemming in the right position with Tresor, Redmond and Ramsay supporting with Koleosho and Anthony coming on to show the strength in the squad.
It’s all to play for.

So you think 3 players who have scarcely kicked a ball for us are suddenly going to improve the team? OK.

[Elizabeth]

So you think 3 players who have scarcely kicked a ball for us are suddenly going to improve the team? OK.

You used the word ‘suddenly’ bill not me. By January , when new signings will be incoming , I think it’s not unreasonable to think a couple of them will be back playing.
It’s worth noting that any new signings will also need time to settle in

[Newcastleclaret93]

Clearly it is a striker we need. The creative payers are already at the club . Flemming in the right position with Tresor, Redmond and Ramsay supporting with Koleosho and Anthony coming on to show the strength in the squad.
It’s all to play for.

Arnt Redmond and Ramsey out for the foreseeable? I thought the likeliness was feb March kind of time

[Elizabeth]

Arnt Redmond and Ramsey out for the foreseeable? I thought the likeliness was feb March kind of time

I haven’t read that. I know it’s a big ask but what if Tresor is back playing. Should that not make a big difference with Flemming in the right position and a new striker. Surely Koleosho needs to become a squad player ? Showing the occasional flash of ability is not enough

[mybloodisclaret]

I haven’t read that. I know it’s a big ask but what if Tresor is back playing. Should that not make a big difference with Flemming in the right position and a new striker. Surely Koleosho needs to become a squad player ? Showing the occasional flash of ability is not enough

I'm nearly 3 stone over weight as waiting for an ACL reconstruction that I injured last summer! However if I'd have been on grass as long as Magic Mike has I reckon I'd be fit to play by now.

The longer it goes on the more it feels like we are saving him for a sale in Jan. The amount of games we have needed something different recently is well..... every game apart from Wednesday away.

[hoosier-daddy]

I'm nearly 3 stone over weight as waiting for an ACL reconstruction that I injured last summer! However if I'd have been on grass as long as Magic Mike has I reckon I'd be fit to play by now.

The longer it goes on the more it feels like we are saving him for a sale in Jan. The amount of games we have needed something different recently is well..... every game apart from Wednesday away.

I think the idea of him coming back and suddenly changing our performances has long gone. It's not going to happen. I don't think he ever wanted to be here.

[NewClaret]

I think the idea of him coming back and suddenly changing our performances has long gone. It's not going to happen. I don't think he ever wanted to be here.

Quite possibly, I don’t think any of us know the real situation although there are reports from very reliable posters that the injury and illness was genuine.

I can’t see a way out for him without him getting his head down and earning it, one way or the other. It’s sort of tough **** for him. I think we’ve proven in summer that we won’t be accepting any bad loan offers.

I agree that after such a long time out it’s highly unlikely he’d make an immediate impact and would need a run of games to get match fit.

[NewClaret]

You used the word ‘suddenly’ bill not me. By January , when new signings will be incoming , I think it’s not unreasonable to think a couple of them will be back playing.
It’s worth noting that any new signings will also need time to settle in

None of us really know how long it will be until players are back. Parker said recently that Tresor was closer to being selectable, Redmond and Ramsey out much longer-term. No mention of Benson.

I think it’s almost impossible to say what type of form they’ll be in when they do return, all having been out for a long time.

They’ll need time to settle in, which any new signings would also need, as you say.

On that basis, I think we need another couple of creative players. I’m not against a striker if there’s one out there but I’ll be surprised if many are available. Ferguson sounds about the best bet and would be a massive coup.

[NewClaret]

Going to get absolute pelters for this but what about Jesse Lingard… hear me out…

Playing for FC Seoul, with 25 apps, 6 goals, 2 assists.

Their season ends in late November, restarts in March. Joins up with us in December for training, signs on in Jan, ready and trained in Parker’s system. Does a 3 month stint and returns to Seoul match fit for their season.

Can return and live in Manchester, keep playing football, put himself in the shop window… and hopefully Ramsey is back fully fit to take the reins March onwards. Potential solution?

(Thought of this after reading we have a FC Seoul guy training with us & looking up Lingard’s numbers)

[hoosier-daddy]

Going to get absolute pelters for this but what about Jesse Lingard… hear me out…

Playing for FC Seoul, with 25 apps, 6 goals, 2 assists.

Their season ends in late November, restarts in March. Joins up with us in December for training, signs on in Jan, ready and trained in Parker’s system. Does a 3 month stint and returns to Seoul match fit for their season.

Can return and live in Manchester, keep playing football, put himself in the shop window… and hopefully Ramsey is back fully fit to take the reins March onwards. Potential solution?

(Thought of this after reading we have a FC Seoul guy training with us & looking up Lingard’s numbers)

I think you went wrong with: "Playing for FC Seoul, with 25 apps, 6 goals, 2 assists"

Your selling point must have been that it was a good thing, but it's terrible.

[NewClaret]

I think you went wrong with: "Playing for FC Seoul, with 25 apps, 6 goals, 2 assists"

Your selling point must have been that it was a good thing, but it's terrible.

What, those stats you mean?

Not brilliant but equally don’t think we have a 10 at the moment producing those kind of numbers. Or any numbers in fact

[Burnley Ace]

Joshua Zirkzee is available for a Jan loan. He wouldn’t even need to move house!

[randomclaret2]

Arnt Redmond and Ramsey out for the foreseeable? I thought the likeliness was feb March kind of time

Wasnt Ramsey " back on the grass " several weeks ago ?

[hoosier-daddy]

Wasnt Ramsey " back on the grass " several weeks ago ?

It's very long grass.

[Bosscat]

It's very long grass.

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[willsclarets]

If Tresor isn't back after the break I can't imagine we'll see him play at all before getting punted in January. Shame as I'd hoped we'd see him play again and have him prove his quality. Which I'm still convinced he has.

[hoosier-daddy]

If Tresor isn't back after the break I can't imagine we'll see him play at all before getting punted in January. Shame as I'd hoped we'd see him play again and have him prove his quality. Which I'm still convinced he has.

I don't get it because if we do want to sell, we put him in the shop window. Nobody is going to want him if he's not played in God knows how long. At least bench him so we know he's alive.

[boatshed bill]

I don't get it because if we do want to sell, we put him in the shop window. Nobody is going to want him if he's not played in God knows how long. At least bench him so we know he's alive.

I reckon he's as good as gone and we can't risk him getting injured between now and the window.